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| Vajb | what is the editor of choice if you use linux for coding? Vim? | 08:24 |
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| Vajb | in windows I've been using Eclipse and VS code, but now I installed Devuan ascii to another laptop and thought to try it out | 08:25 |
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| KotCzarny | mcedit | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:30 |
| felangga | @Vajb I always use atom :) | 08:30 |
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| felangga | but it's bit heavy | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | mcedit is included 'for free' with mc | 08:31 |
| felangga | another choice is sublime, but it not free | 08:31 |
| Vajb | mc is midnight commander? | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 08:35 |
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| KotCzarny | it is very flexible | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | you can customize menu to have few handy actions available | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | ie. diffing files of choice, calling help, syncing files whatever one could need | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | but if you are used to some IDE (ie. eclipse), you might find it lacking autocompleting functions | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | bbl | 08:38 |
| Vajb | im not sure yet which one like more. Notepad++ or some IDE. Both have their moments | 08:41 |
| Vajb | and i rather use light software, because my laptop is not newest model | 08:41 |
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| * Maxdamantus works as a mostly-Java programmer and practically always uses vim. | 09:30 | |
| Maxdamantus | Though I normally have eclipse open for some static analysis tasks, and automatically adding imports. | 09:31 |
| * Oksana usually uses vim, but dislikes vim's heavy documentation on Maemo 5 - takes up space, I think... | 09:32 | |
| * Maxdamantus has maemo all on eMMC so doesn't care about such things. | 09:32 | |
| Maxdamantus | The main issue I have on maemo though is that my terminal seems to exit if I press escape too quickly, which happens frequently in vim. | 09:33 |
| Maxdamantus | (so I intentionally slow my input down) | 09:33 |
| * Maxdamantus hasn't got around to figuring out why that happens. | 09:33 | |
| Oksana | Does pressing escape in terminal, without vim, make terminal exit? Not for me, how about you? | 09:37 |
| Maxdamantus | Holding it down does. | 09:37 |
| Maxdamantus | It doesn't exit if I just press it once. | 09:37 |
| * Oksana tries to reproduce: X Term, vim .zebra.log, Esc-Esc-Esc-Esc..., nothing happens | 09:38 | |
| Oksana | Do you have escape mapped to hardware keyboard? Because I am just pressing Esc on touchscreen, in X Term | 09:38 |
| Maxdamantus | Are you pressing a key, or the button on the screen? | 09:38 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes, mapped to a key. | 09:38 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't think it happens if I touch the button rapidly. | 09:38 |
| Oksana | Does it happen on your desktop, if you open Terminal and hold down Escape on keyboard? | 09:39 |
| Maxdamantus | Actually, I figured out a while ago that it happens to some other applications too. | 09:39 |
| Maxdamantus | So it'll be the WM that does it, not the terminal itself. | 09:39 |
| Oksana | As in, is it intended functionality of X Term, or is it a bug, or is it feature of window manager? | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | or else some library in Maemo or something. | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | It happens to Opera too. | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | and the "Settings" dialogue. | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | but iirc it doesn't happen to things like gvim or urxvt. | 09:41 |
| Maxdamantus | So maybe it's something in Maemo's libgtk or something. | 09:41 |
| Oksana | Gvim is open-source, right? Should be possible to look into what they are doing with their window, to make it Esc-proof? | 09:41 |
| Oksana | Compare it side-by-side with something else that does close when Esc is held down. | 09:42 |
| Maxdamantus | Doesn't happen to the xterm in debian either. | 09:43 |
| Maxdamantus | So I don't think there's anything that makes it "esc-proof" .. I think the maemo programs just decide to exit under those circumstances for some reason. | 09:43 |
| Oksana | But X Term in Maemo isn't exactly the same as X Term in Debian, right? So, there may be window flags involved, similarly to rotate-or-not flags. | 09:45 |
| Maxdamantus | I remember running xterm under some X11 tracing program a while ago and I don't think I could see anything odd happening there, except for the application destroying its window. | 09:47 |
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| Juesto | Oksana: Xterm in x11 is way different than osso-xterm, yes | 09:55 |
| Juesto | Esc should work for closing? | 09:56 |
| Juesto | Oksana: you can just delete vim manpages i guess :) | 09:57 |
| Juesto | i use: | 09:57 |
| Juesto | Windows: notepad++ | 09:57 |
| Juesto | Mac: TextWrangler | 09:58 |
| Juesto | Linux: gnome 2 gedit/mate's pluma or xfce mousepad or leafpad | 09:58 |
| Juesto | *nix/posix cli: nano | 09:59 |
| Juesto | gnome 3 is way too bloated | 09:59 |
| * Oksana agrees about Gnome 3, though didn't use it much if at all | 10:01 | |
| Juesto | gtk3 mainly | 10:08 |
| Juesto | mate or xfce are better choices | 10:08 |
| Juesto | lxde is outdated | 10:09 |
| Juesto | how it's going Oksana? | 10:12 |
| Oksana | Lots of things to do. | 10:14 |
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| Vajb | oh yes i forgot gedit | 14:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Vajb: I use vi for terminal or Pluma which is MATE's fork of gedit. | 14:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't seem to get on with nano which seems to be a default option on some distros. | 14:55 |
| Vajb | i use nano for system tweaks only | 15:03 |
| Vajb | just tried pluma coz it was installed by default | 15:03 |
| Vajb | it misses one feature that i like | 15:03 |
| Vajb | doubling brackets and quotes etc | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | mcedit highlights brackets | 15:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | doubling brackets? | 15:05 |
| Maxdamantus | Presumably inserting ')' after typing '(' | 15:05 |
| Maxdamantus | and hoping that you don't move the cursor before you actually type the ')' or something, dunno. | 15:06 |
| * Maxdamantus has always found that annoying in editors that have it. | 15:06 | |
| * Maxdamantus also struggles to see the practical use. | 15:06 | |
| KotCzarny | +1 | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | highlighting is ok tho | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | helps finding bigger scopes easily | 15:07 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, even vim highlights. | 15:07 |
| Vajb | yeah, what Maxdamantus said | 15:07 |
| Vajb | helps keeping things organized for me | 15:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't want to have things inserted for me, it does highlight the appropriate brackets if you are on that line | 15:08 |
| Vajb | yeah i saw highlighting it is good feature too | 15:09 |
| Maxdamantus | '%' is one of my main navigation features in vim. | 15:10 |
| Maxdamantus | (jump to corresponding bracket/brace) | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | yup, same for mcedit | 15:10 |
| Vajb | vim seems like overly complicated | 15:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You may find a plugin that adds auto bracket closure for pluma. | 15:11 |
| Vajb | i can't help but think that it was designed for very specific keyboardlayout | 15:11 |
| Maxdamantus | I really feel that it's the opposite WRT layout. | 15:11 |
| Vajb | i use finnish keyboard so things are not that convenient to get | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | vim works really well even on N900 (disregarding my escape issue I mentioned that I have) | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | because it *doesn't* assume things about the keyboard. | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | eg, vim doesn't require combinations involving things like alt/meta, ctrl, etc | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | in mcedit it's alt-b (going to matching bracket) | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | ^ | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | Pretty much every other editing system does assume those tricky combinations. | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | simply because there are many functions and only so many keys | 15:13 |
| Maxdamantus | I use Dvorak, and have not done any remapping in vim. | 15:13 |
| Vajb | i need combination for each and every type of bracket for example | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | gtk has one nice feature of being able to remap bindings | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | but in mcedit you have menu available on click as a secondary way of accessing it | 15:14 |
| * Vajb should invest on learning keyboard shortcuts... | 15:14 | |
| KotCzarny | although, as i've said, highlighting is enough | 15:14 |
| Vajb | hehe i can imagine you thoughts of some of the ide's i've tried | 15:15 |
| Maxdamantus | I feel like if one were to actually invest in learning shortcuts, might as well just invest in learning vim navigation. | 15:15 |
| Vajb | they can insert even methods for you | 15:15 |
| Maxdamantus | since probably all popular editors have plugins for vim-style input. | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | learning shortcuts is only worthwhile for things you actually use/need | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | ie. undo/redo | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | and maybe save/save as | 15:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I like using Alt to shift lines about in pluma | 15:16 |
| Vajb | just today i learned very convenient shortcut for web browsing alt+left arrow | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | mark/move block | 15:17 |
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| Creteil | Hi all | 22:38 |
| Creteil | What is the problem ? : Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. | 22:38 |
| Creteil | Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel. | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | ~unbanip | 22:39 |
| infobot | rumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it, or tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam | 22:39 |
| Creteil | I don't see the fact that my IP (fixed) used for spamming the Maemo forum... | 22:40 |
| Creteil | It apear suddenly when I was reading a thread and clicking on next page the message occur. | 22:41 |
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