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fishbulbis that n900 board available yet10:13
fishbulband does the original n900 still work? with servers and stuff?10:14
bencohthe "original" n900 still works, with servers and stuff hosted by community for most things10:18
bencoh(but not all)10:18
fishbulband the neo900 is what10:19
fishbulbit's been a LOT of years10:20
bencohwell, that question should go to #neo900 if anything10:20
fishbulbI was just wondering if it ever happened10:21
bencohit hasn't been released yet10:21
fishbulbI won't buy one10:21
bencohit's a separate hardware project10:21
fishbulbI'm wondering if my n900's I found could work if I charged them10:21
luke-jrwhy not?10:22
fishbulbwhy wouldn't an n900 work?10:22
fishbulbbecaues it's been years since I used one and it's nine years old now?10:22
fishbulbthat's why I'm asking the question, I don't know10:23
bencohhigh chances are it still works ... although you might have flat battery issues and the likes10:25
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fishbulbI have a ton of batteries and they're all probably bad. the one I have still turns on but I didn't charge it yet10:25
bencohthen I'd recommend charging it first :)10:27
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sixwheeledbeastLots of people here still use an N900 daily.10:32
* Maxdamantus uses it as his primary phone.10:34
* sixwheeledbeast too10:36
sixwheeledbeastalthough now a primary personal phone instead of work.10:36
bencohprimary (and only) phone here10:37
Vajbsame as bencoh here10:37
sixwheeledbeastI have a equally aged BB for work as it's small.10:38
* sicelo also using N900 as primary and only phone. :)10:39
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fishbulbwhatsapp disappearing is probably the only reason I caved to android10:48
fishbulband the way better maps10:48
fishbulband the faster devices and a lot more useful apps10:49
KotCzarnywhich of them you were using last week?10:49
KotCzarnyand how many times?10:49
fishbulbboth of them MANY MANY times10:50
fishbulbin a large city you have to have maps10:50
fishbulband whatsapp I use to talk to girls10:50
KotCzarnyno, you dont10:50
fishbulbyes, I do10:50
KotCzarnyyes, you *specifically* do10:50
fishbulbthat's the only thing I do with whatsapp10:50
fishbulblots of people use it10:50
KotCzarnylots of people go to dance clubs, and?10:51
fishbulbwhy are you asking these questions? whatsapp and google maps are nearly imposible not to have10:51
KotCzarnywhy are you talking about android on maemo channel?10:51
fishbulbwifi phonecalls, SOME family are very occasionally on whatsapp10:51
KotCzarnypeople here are well aware what can you do with 256M of ram10:51
fishbulbI'm saying the reason I had to go android for my main phone10:51
fishbulband then forgot about the n900 until now becuase I had a few in good condition10:52
fishbulband I found them again10:52
fishbulbI'm not arguing which is better10:52
fishbulbalso facebook is the main people online worldwide communicate, that's also something that just is a thing10:53
fishbulband I wish it wasn't10:53
KotCzarnythen dont10:53
fishbulbI'm forced to because of the places I live10:53
KotCzarnyare you forced physically?10:54
fishbulbforums are less and less and if you want shit it's usually a facebook group. things for sale, parts for shit you need, it's more and more facebook groups10:54
fishbulbif I want to LIVE without buying everything from a store, and if I want to have contact with my family, then I have to use facebook10:55
fishbulbI can still use whatever os I want and I can still limit what facebook gets from me, but I really have to use it10:55
KotCzarnyoh boy, horrors of living afar10:55
fishbulbfor someone who is almost normal google maps, whatsapp and facebook are necessary evil10:56
KotCzarnyits not evil10:57
KotCzarnyits a tool10:57
KotCzarnyits evil if you are slave to it10:57
fishbulbI don't even know what you are arguing10:57
KotCzarnyi'm arguing you saying that one has to go full electronics to live their lives10:57
fishbulbyeah I look for bike parts and a few other types of things very often10:57
fishbulbyeah and often the electronics have to be more modern than 9 years10:58
sicelo"whatsapp and google maps are  nearly impossible not to have" - my sgs4 fell and broke about 3 weeks ago, and i haven't used whatsapp since then. i don't feel any loss. (google maps i never used on it anyway .. didn't have it installed to begin with - LineageOS)10:58
fishbulbso you never go very far from your home10:58
fishbulbor you live in a smaller place or something10:58
fishbulbhow the hell do you get around a large city efficiently without a good map system10:59
KotCzarnyever heard of maps?10:59
fishbulba map of berlin?10:59
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KotCzarnyand yes, i use gmaps sometimes10:59
fishbulbit is a giant book10:59
KotCzarnybut i use any maps i have handy at the moment10:59
fishbulbif it even exists10:59
fishbulbyeah, I've used my watch to navigate11:00
fishbulbit was a lot harder than google maps11:00
KotCzarnypeople lived in berlin since hundreds of years, i havent heard them being lost11:00
fishbulbyou haven't lived there11:00
fishbulbin 201811:00
sicelofishbulb: N900 has modrana if you really MUST have a maps system11:00
KotCzarnyone can also just have navi system in car11:01
fishbulbI really really must have a maps system, I was just saying why a fast android device has replaced the n900 as the MAIN phone11:01
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bencohI use marble and still happy with that overall11:05
fishbulbI was, until I used google maps11:05
fishbulbwhich tells you how to get to places you've never been hours apart a dense city using public transport or feet or cars11:06
bencohI somehow wish it had support for some public transport routing (like google transit, if anything), but ...11:06
fishbulbyeah it's impossible to get around without the public transport times and shit11:06
bencohactually I guess I could code it, but I never really got into it (I hate web/json, parsing, c++ abstraction, and anything close to it)11:07
KotCzarnyi never get around with shit11:07
KotCzarnyespecially on public transport11:07
bencohKotCzarny: hey, don't you want to write a transit plugin for marble?11:07
bencohor even a generic transit lib for maemo?11:07
bencohone that we could plug to both marble and modrana for instance11:07
fishbulbbecause he thinks that paper maps and memory are perfectly fine for getting around cities with a population of many millions11:08
fishbulbwith a transport system that looks like a circuit board11:08
bencohfishbulb: well, actually it is perfectly normal11:08
sicelothere was something jonwil did ... but i don't remember the scope11:08
KotCzarnyi've lived in nyc11:08
bencohsicelo: yeah, he started some work on that back then iirc11:09
KotCzarnynever had troubles without gmaps11:09
fishbulbdid you live there when gmaps didn't exist11:09
fishbulbwhat the fuck is this argument even about11:09
bencohfishbulb: good question actually :)11:09
bencoh(no reason to "argue")11:09
bencohbtw, I'm (kinda) positively surprised with purple-telegram (pidgin) on n900 ... it's usable, and pretty handy11:11
siceloi use it every single day :)11:11
bencohand you can always use as a backup if anything11:11
bencoh(from a desktop)11:11
siceloi also recently use telegram-cli from my 2nd N900 running postmarketOS. also pretty good11:13
bencohPidgin isn't exactly the best messaging UI ever (quite the opposite tbh, and even rtcom-messaging-ui is better I think), but ... it's still okay :)11:13
fishbulbwhat's postmarketOS11:13
bencohwhy not leste then? :)11:13
fishbulbare any of these end user things11:13
siceloi use leste too :)11:14
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fishbulbI can use arch linux, but I use it because windows 10 is HORRIFIC11:14
fishbulbandroid is too11:14
fishbulbI'm at an airport right now and before I was here I found out that flight mode records barometric pressures and shitloads of things, way more than just regular use11:15
bencohfishbulb: leste isn't mature yet, but it's meant to be tech-savvy end-user I'd say11:15
siceloi don't want to 'pollute'  my leste install, while pmOS is a bit freer, since you use a regular wm, etc. of course i can use telegram-cli on leste without issue11:15
fishbulbwhich is also fairly accurately guessing when you got into and out of a car (as a passenger) and blah blah. even with the alternate firmwares11:15
bencoh(a bit like regular maemo)11:16
bencoh(back when everything "worked")11:16
fishbulbthat was a long time ago though11:16
siceloso what phone are you using fishbulb11:19
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VajbI use regular maps as well. Google maps and such are handy and easy, but they just can't beat the feeling of real paper map at hand11:28
Vajbto see whole city by a glance without sweeping and swiping nor running out of battery11:29
sicelo(wut! osso-pdf-reader  supports in-document-links ... i could swear it didn't, but just now it worked. mmmh)11:30
VajbI think it has always supporte them11:30
siceloand i've used my n900 since 2011 .. only discovering this now!11:31
Vajball life is learning ;)11:31
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tahr64userO68how do you converse ?13:37
tahr64userO68144 users and all lurk ?13:37
siceloyou just converse, just like you have now ..13:38
tahr64userO68thank you13:38
sicelodo you need anything specific?13:38
tahr64userO68"laughing" depends how much cash you could spare quickly ?13:38
tahr64userO68honest = i am looking for information about a nokia n90013:39
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.13:39
bencohwell, ask away, we'll see if anyone can answer :)13:39
tahr64userO68I've queried for manual to operate it and wondered if there may also be something hidden in maemo organization ?13:40
bencohto "operate" it?13:40
tahr64userO68? such as a  USER manual13:41
bencohah, I see ... well, there might have been a user manual back then, but it's most certainly not up-to-date13:41
tahr64userO68yah-think ?13:41
bencohdid you buy n900 recently?13:41
tahr64userO68 this n900 is a relic13:41
bencohit's a "relic", yes, but one that a lot of us still use daily :)13:42
tahr64userO68new to me - but was old to the youngman who sold it to me13:42
siceloalso, user guides will be on the n900 (maybe in documents directory) if someone hasn't removed them13:42
tahr64userO68it is a project i respect13:43
bencohWell, is a source of information13:43
tahr64userO68took a beating and keeps on ticking13:43 is a useful resource as well13:43
bencohWhat is your motivation btw? Is it a toy project? Is it meant to be your daily driver? Something you need for some specific use?13:44
tahr64userO68motivational toy ?13:44
tahr64userO68dont wish to break it ,  more about learning about using it / even if only for basic uses while it lasts13:45
bencohI see13:46
bencohthen you'll probably want to read wiki, maybe do a backup of its current state/content if its previous life has any importance for you (I dunno, maybe you value all the efforts that young man put into it, at least for reference purpose, who knows), and reflash/upgrade to CSSU (Community Updates)13:47
tahr64userO68? ok, have you a link please13:48
tahr64userO68or direct me in the general direction even would be appreciated sir13:48
tahr64userO68Im familiar with IRC / and freenode so i don't need breadcrumbs to find my way back13:49
bencohI see :)13:50
bencohWell, is a start13:50
infobothmm... reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models)13:50
infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing13:50
bencohThat could help too13:50
bencohI'd suggest reading first before trying anything13:51
tahr64userO68* Thank you gentlemen -13:51
tahr64userO68i've been thru minefields with a k-bar for a probe13:51
tahr64userO68i can read instructions13:51
tahr64userO68Again Gentlemen - thank you for what you have provided / tons more than i could gather by query13:53
tahr64userO68* And good health to all13:54
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bencohOops, I should've told him to stay and idle here13:55
KotCzarnyhe will be back13:56
KotCzarnyno worries13:56
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