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| fishbulb | is that n900 board available yet | 10:13 |
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| fishbulb | and does the original n900 still work? with servers and stuff? | 10:14 |
| bencoh | the "original" n900 still works, with servers and stuff hosted by community for most things | 10:18 |
| bencoh | (but not all) | 10:18 |
| fishbulb | ok | 10:19 |
| fishbulb | and the neo900 is what | 10:19 |
| fishbulb | vapour-hardware? | 10:20 |
| fishbulb | it's been a LOT of years | 10:20 |
| bencoh | well, that question should go to #neo900 if anything | 10:20 |
| fishbulb | I was just wondering if it ever happened | 10:21 |
| bencoh | it hasn't been released yet | 10:21 |
| fishbulb | I won't buy one | 10:21 |
| bencoh | it's a separate hardware project | 10:21 |
| fishbulb | I'm wondering if my n900's I found could work if I charged them | 10:21 |
| luke-jr | why not? | 10:22 |
| fishbulb | why wouldn't an n900 work? | 10:22 |
| fishbulb | becaues it's been years since I used one and it's nine years old now? | 10:22 |
| fishbulb | that's why I'm asking the question, I don't know | 10:23 |
| bencoh | high chances are it still works ... although you might have flat battery issues and the likes | 10:25 |
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| fishbulb | I have a ton of batteries and they're all probably bad. the one I have still turns on but I didn't charge it yet | 10:25 |
| bencoh | then I'd recommend charging it first :) | 10:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Lots of people here still use an N900 daily. | 10:32 |
| * Maxdamantus uses it as his primary phone. | 10:34 | |
| * sixwheeledbeast too | 10:36 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | although now a primary personal phone instead of work. | 10:36 |
| bencoh | primary (and only) phone here | 10:37 |
| Vajb | same as bencoh here | 10:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have a equally aged BB for work as it's small. | 10:38 |
| Vajb | BB? | 10:38 |
| sicelo | blackberry | 10:38 |
| Vajb | ah | 10:39 |
| * sicelo also using N900 as primary and only phone. :) | 10:39 | |
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| fishbulb | whatsapp disappearing is probably the only reason I caved to android | 10:48 |
| fishbulb | and the way better maps | 10:48 |
| fishbulb | and the faster devices and a lot more useful apps | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | which of them you were using last week? | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | and how many times? | 10:49 |
| fishbulb | both of them MANY MANY times | 10:50 |
| fishbulb | in a large city you have to have maps | 10:50 |
| fishbulb | and whatsapp I use to talk to girls | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | no, you dont | 10:50 |
| fishbulb | yes, I do | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | yes, you *specifically* do | 10:50 |
| fishbulb | that's the only thing I do with whatsapp | 10:50 |
| fishbulb | lots of people use it | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | lots of people go to dance clubs, and? | 10:51 |
| fishbulb | why are you asking these questions? whatsapp and google maps are nearly imposible not to have | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | why are you talking about android on maemo channel? | 10:51 |
| fishbulb | wifi phonecalls, SOME family are very occasionally on whatsapp | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | people here are well aware what can you do with 256M of ram | 10:51 |
| fishbulb | I'm saying the reason I had to go android for my main phone | 10:51 |
| fishbulb | and then forgot about the n900 until now becuase I had a few in good condition | 10:52 |
| fishbulb | and I found them again | 10:52 |
| fishbulb | I'm not arguing which is better | 10:52 |
| fishbulb | also facebook is the main people online worldwide communicate, that's also something that just is a thing | 10:53 |
| fishbulb | and I wish it wasn't | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | then dont | 10:53 |
| fishbulb | I'm forced to because of the places I live | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | are you forced physically? | 10:54 |
| fishbulb | forums are less and less and if you want shit it's usually a facebook group. things for sale, parts for shit you need, it's more and more facebook groups | 10:54 |
| fishbulb | if I want to LIVE without buying everything from a store, and if I want to have contact with my family, then I have to use facebook | 10:55 |
| fishbulb | I can still use whatever os I want and I can still limit what facebook gets from me, but I really have to use it | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | oh boy, horrors of living afar | 10:55 |
| fishbulb | for someone who is almost normal google maps, whatsapp and facebook are necessary evil | 10:56 |
| KotCzarny | its not evil | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | its a tool | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | its evil if you are slave to it | 10:57 |
| fishbulb | I don't even know what you are arguing | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | i'm arguing you saying that one has to go full electronics to live their lives | 10:57 |
| fishbulb | yeah I look for bike parts and a few other types of things very often | 10:57 |
| fishbulb | yeah and often the electronics have to be more modern than 9 years | 10:58 |
| sicelo | "whatsapp and google maps are nearly impossible not to have" - my sgs4 fell and broke about 3 weeks ago, and i haven't used whatsapp since then. i don't feel any loss. (google maps i never used on it anyway .. didn't have it installed to begin with - LineageOS) | 10:58 |
| fishbulb | so you never go very far from your home | 10:58 |
| fishbulb | or you live in a smaller place or something | 10:58 |
| KotCzarny | false | 10:58 |
| fishbulb | how the hell do you get around a large city efficiently without a good map system | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | ever heard of maps? | 10:59 |
| fishbulb | a map of berlin? | 10:59 |
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| KotCzarny | and yes, i use gmaps sometimes | 10:59 |
| fishbulb | it is a giant book | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | but i use any maps i have handy at the moment | 10:59 |
| fishbulb | if it even exists | 10:59 |
| fishbulb | yeah, I've used my watch to navigate | 11:00 |
| fishbulb | it was a lot harder than google maps | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | people lived in berlin since hundreds of years, i havent heard them being lost | 11:00 |
| fishbulb | you haven't lived there | 11:00 |
| fishbulb | in 2018 | 11:00 |
| sicelo | fishbulb: N900 has modrana if you really MUST have a maps system | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | one can also just have navi system in car | 11:01 |
| fishbulb | I really really must have a maps system, I was just saying why a fast android device has replaced the n900 as the MAIN phone | 11:01 |
| sicelo | ok | 11:01 |
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| bencoh | I use marble and still happy with that overall | 11:05 |
| fishbulb | I was, until I used google maps | 11:05 |
| fishbulb | which tells you how to get to places you've never been hours apart a dense city using public transport or feet or cars | 11:06 |
| bencoh | I somehow wish it had support for some public transport routing (like google transit, if anything), but ... | 11:06 |
| fishbulb | yeah it's impossible to get around without the public transport times and shit | 11:06 |
| bencoh | actually I guess I could code it, but I never really got into it (I hate web/json, parsing, c++ abstraction, and anything close to it) | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | i never get around with shit | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | especially on public transport | 11:07 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: hey, don't you want to write a transit plugin for marble? | 11:07 |
| bencoh | or even a generic transit lib for maemo? | 11:07 |
| bencoh | one that we could plug to both marble and modrana for instance | 11:07 |
| fishbulb | because he thinks that paper maps and memory are perfectly fine for getting around cities with a population of many millions | 11:08 |
| fishbulb | with a transport system that looks like a circuit board | 11:08 |
| bencoh | fishbulb: well, actually it is perfectly normal | 11:08 |
| sicelo | there was something jonwil did ... but i don't remember the scope | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | i've lived in nyc | 11:08 |
| bencoh | sicelo: yeah, he started some work on that back then iirc | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | never had troubles without gmaps | 11:09 |
| fishbulb | did you live there when gmaps didn't exist | 11:09 |
| fishbulb | what the fuck is this argument even about | 11:09 |
| bencoh | fishbulb: good question actually :) | 11:09 |
| bencoh | (no reason to "argue") | 11:09 |
| fishbulb | no | 11:09 |
| bencoh | btw, I'm (kinda) positively surprised with purple-telegram (pidgin) on n900 ... it's usable, and pretty handy | 11:11 |
| sicelo | i use it every single day :) | 11:11 |
| bencoh | and you can always use web.telegram.org as a backup if anything | 11:11 |
| bencoh | (from a desktop) | 11:11 |
| sicelo | i also recently use telegram-cli from my 2nd N900 running postmarketOS. also pretty good | 11:13 |
| bencoh | Pidgin isn't exactly the best messaging UI ever (quite the opposite tbh, and even rtcom-messaging-ui is better I think), but ... it's still okay :) | 11:13 |
| bencoh | huhu | 11:13 |
| fishbulb | what's postmarketOS | 11:13 |
| bencoh | why not leste then? :) | 11:13 |
| fishbulb | are any of these end user things | 11:13 |
| sicelo | i use leste too :) | 11:14 |
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| fishbulb | I can use arch linux, but I use it because windows 10 is HORRIFIC | 11:14 |
| fishbulb | android is too | 11:14 |
| fishbulb | I'm at an airport right now and before I was here I found out that flight mode records barometric pressures and shitloads of things, way more than just regular use | 11:15 |
| bencoh | fishbulb: leste isn't mature yet, but it's meant to be tech-savvy end-user I'd say | 11:15 |
| sicelo | i don't want to 'pollute' my leste install, while pmOS is a bit freer, since you use a regular wm, etc. of course i can use telegram-cli on leste without issue | 11:15 |
| fishbulb | which is also fairly accurately guessing when you got into and out of a car (as a passenger) and blah blah. even with the alternate firmwares | 11:15 |
| bencoh | (a bit like regular maemo) | 11:16 |
| bencoh | (back when everything "worked") | 11:16 |
| fishbulb | that was a long time ago though | 11:16 |
| bencoh | indeed | 11:17 |
| sicelo | so what phone are you using fishbulb | 11:19 |
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| bencoh | Ohmy. | 11:22 |
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| Vajb | I use regular maps as well. Google maps and such are handy and easy, but they just can't beat the feeling of real paper map at hand | 11:28 |
| Vajb | to see whole city by a glance without sweeping and swiping nor running out of battery | 11:29 |
| sicelo | (wut! osso-pdf-reader supports in-document-links ... i could swear it didn't, but just now it worked. mmmh) | 11:30 |
| Vajb | I think it has always supporte them | 11:30 |
| sicelo | and i've used my n900 since 2011 .. only discovering this now! | 11:31 |
| Vajb | all life is learning ;) | 11:31 |
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| sicelo | :) | 11:32 |
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| tahr64userO68 | o/ | 13:31 |
| tahr64userO68 | +v | 13:35 |
| sicelo | +b | 13:36 |
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| tahr64userO68 | +b | 13:36 |
| tahr64userO68 | how do you converse ? | 13:37 |
| tahr64userO68 | 144 users and all lurk ? | 13:37 |
| sicelo | you just converse, just like you have now .. | 13:38 |
| tahr64userO68 | thank you | 13:38 |
| sicelo | do you need anything specific? | 13:38 |
| tahr64userO68 | "laughing" depends how much cash you could spare quickly ? | 13:38 |
| sicelo | huh? | 13:38 |
| tahr64userO68 | honest = i am looking for information about a nokia n900 | 13:39 |
| sicelo | ~ask | 13:39 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 13:39 |
| bencoh | well, ask away, we'll see if anyone can answer :) | 13:39 |
| tahr64userO68 | I've queried for manual to operate it and wondered if there may also be something hidden in maemo organization ? | 13:40 |
| bencoh | to "operate" it? | 13:40 |
| tahr64userO68 | ? such as a USER manual | 13:41 |
| bencoh | ah, I see ... well, there might have been a user manual back then, but it's most certainly not up-to-date | 13:41 |
| tahr64userO68 | yah-think ? | 13:41 |
| bencoh | did you buy n900 recently? | 13:41 |
| tahr64userO68 | this n900 is a relic | 13:41 |
| bencoh | it's a "relic", yes, but one that a lot of us still use daily :) | 13:42 |
| tahr64userO68 | new to me - but was old to the youngman who sold it to me | 13:42 |
| sicelo | also, user guides will be on the n900 (maybe in documents directory) if someone hasn't removed them | 13:42 |
| bencoh | right | 13:42 |
| tahr64userO68 | it is a project i respect | 13:43 |
| bencoh | Well, wiki.maemo.org is a source of information | 13:43 |
| tahr64userO68 | took a beating and keeps on ticking | 13:43 |
| bencoh | talk.maemo.org is a useful resource as well | 13:43 |
| bencoh | What is your motivation btw? Is it a toy project? Is it meant to be your daily driver? Something you need for some specific use? | 13:44 |
| tahr64userO68 | motivational toy ? | 13:44 |
| tahr64userO68 | dont wish to break it , more about learning about using it / even if only for basic uses while it lasts | 13:45 |
| bencoh | I see | 13:46 |
| bencoh | then you'll probably want to read wiki, maybe do a backup of its current state/content if its previous life has any importance for you (I dunno, maybe you value all the efforts that young man put into it, at least for reference purpose, who knows), and reflash/upgrade to CSSU (Community Updates) | 13:47 |
| tahr64userO68 | ? ok, have you a link please | 13:48 |
| tahr64userO68 | or direct me in the general direction even would be appreciated sir | 13:48 |
| tahr64userO68 | Im familiar with IRC / and freenode so i don't need breadcrumbs to find my way back | 13:49 |
| bencoh | I see :) | 13:50 |
| bencoh | Well, https://wiki.maemo.org/Cssu is a start | 13:50 |
| bencoh | ~reflash | 13:50 |
| infobot | hmm... reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) | 13:50 |
| bencoh | ~flash | 13:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 13:50 |
| bencoh | That could help too | 13:50 |
| bencoh | I'd suggest reading first before trying anything | 13:51 |
| tahr64userO68 | * Thank you gentlemen - | 13:51 |
| tahr64userO68 | i've been thru minefields with a k-bar for a probe | 13:51 |
| tahr64userO68 | i can read instructions | 13:51 |
| tahr64userO68 | Again Gentlemen - thank you for what you have provided / tons more than i could gather by query | 13:53 |
| tahr64userO68 | * And good health to all | 13:54 |
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| bencoh | Oops, I should've told him to stay and idle here | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | he will be back | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | no worries | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:56 |
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