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| varu | hi, although i no longer use my n900 (though it served me quite well for 6 years), i do certainly miss the FM transmitter feature and, while i wait for neo900, i figured i'd turn it into a music/streaming radio player | 14:54 |
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| varu | that said i haven't played around with maemo in quite a while and i remember lots of stuff being broken + abysmally slow due to the RAM limitation.. | 14:55 |
| varu | so i'm asking for a bit of spoonfeeding as i'm feeling particularly lazy on the research part today: if i were to set up a fresh n900, what should i look out for? years back i remember trying to get CSSU going on and not having much success, although i can't remember why. | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ good usb port, 2/ good lcd cable, 3/ not fried speakers, 4/ no cranky slider, 5/ no fried modem | 14:55 |
| varu | hardware side checks out :) | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | software is fully flashable, so not a problem | 14:56 |
| varu | at this point i think i have 4 units, one was my main, one i got as a spare for extremely cheap, and two were donations from friends after they destroyed their USB ports | 14:56 |
| varu | requirements: reasonably fast boot & reasonably fast loading of the 2-3 programs i'll want on there: some sort of music player, ideally one that can sync with winamp / work with .m3u & .pls, as well as a video player - i doubt i'll be using the functionality but hey, why not. if major workarounds aren't necessary, youtube'd be interesting as well | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | then just ~flashing and ćssu | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 14:57 |
| infobot | from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 14:57 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 14:57 |
| varu | basically i'm not sure what's new on the software side & what can be done to reasonably alleviate the ram limitation.. although maybe it's not so bad given what i want to do with it | 14:57 |
| varu | ~lazyflashing | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | as for music player, are you a person that likes music libraries that read tags or prefer oldschool way of playing directories? | 14:58 |
| infobot | rumour has it, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 14:58 |
| varu | i have a ton of playlists i'd like to maintain the play order of | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | so it just has to be able to read your .m3u/.pls ? | 14:58 |
| varu | yes and no: | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | check out my player then | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | ~oscp | 14:59 |
| infobot | it has been said that oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 14:59 |
| varu | currently i do this with winamp, which also has an android apk for the phone i use these days | 14:59 |
| varu | it basically copies files over and creates a playlist for its app | 14:59 |
| varu | i can easily export m3u/pls, but the file references probably won't match if i import into a player on the n900 | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | it can just recursively add from some directory, down | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | symlinks? | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | and some samba probably | 15:00 |
| varu | will it auto-match with 'missing' m3u/pls entries if it finds an identical filename from what it's scanned? | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | if it resides in the same dir and entries are relative paths | 15:01 |
| varu | i can easily copy all the files themselves over, my issue is with maintaining existing playlists & play order. what winamp'll export won't match | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise you will probably have to do quick search and replace | 15:01 |
| varu | then again, i could script a simple replacement | 15:01 |
| varu | literally a one-liner lol | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | do you know scripting/programming? | 15:01 |
| varu | if i looked into it a bit i could probably do it in one line with sed | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, that's what i meant by search and replace | 15:02 |
| varu | then make a shortcut on the 'desktop' that i could run after every import | 15:02 |
| varu | hmm, i'll have to see how nicely winamp plays with this. i'd like to have the process as automated as possible.. as it stands, i'd have to: | 15:02 |
| varu | 1) sync files | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | you can also just install shoutcast server and connect n900 to your pc | 15:02 |
| varu | 2) export the pls | 15:03 |
| varu | 3) remove old pls from n900 | 15:03 |
| varu | 4) copy new pls to n900 | 15:03 |
| varu | 5) run path script | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | you can send commands via network/shell to oscp | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | ie. load some new playlist and start playing etc | 15:03 |
| varu | does it store its playlists in a db? | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | directory/network | 15:04 |
| varu | if it's just file-based, can i tell it 'look in THIS folder on startup and load in / give me a list of all the playlists in this folder'? | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | so you can just read playlist by load http://yourpc/some/path.m3u | 15:04 |
| varu | that way i can script the m3u replacement at least | 15:04 |
| varu | also, the goal is to have it standalone.. basically plug in to usb, mount the user folder, winamp detects it, syncs the files, then i export the pls and copy it over | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | another way would be running oscp core on pc and use n900 as a network remote | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | in short it's flexible and scriptable | 15:05 |
| varu | you wrote this? | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 15:06 |
| varu | very nice! | 15:06 |
| varu | found the thread on maemo.org | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | i needed player suited to my needs, and none were working as i wanted | 15:06 |
| varu | have you also made an apk for it? :D | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | no droid port yet | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | but runs on maemo/linux/windows | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | both core and remotes | 15:07 |
| varu | ahh, asking as it'd be even better if i could consolidate the syncing | 15:07 |
| varu | i'm certainly not tied to winamp, it's just the most convenient for syncing playlist order from what i've found so far | 15:07 |
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| KotCzarny | i should add 'enqueue' command to remote protocol one day | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | and clearplaylist | 15:08 |
| varu | oh, on the n900, does it support volume button hold detection, say for switching tracks? | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | i think i was playing with edge buttons for control, dont remember what is the state now | 15:10 |
| varu | one of the primary uses of this for me will be while driving, would rather not fumble with a touchscreen until the robot overlords start driving us around | 15:10 |
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| varu | ok so this looks very promising so far | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | remember you can easily write own remote (script) that would react on buttons and send commands to oscp core | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | or imagine writing accelerometer that would react to gestures | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:13 |
| varu | the issue for me would be figuring out where to poll the buttons... and if it's doable in python as, other than shell scripts, it's about as far as my programming-fu goes | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | ~phonecontrol | 15:13 |
| infobot | somebody said phonecontrol was http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | i think it was there, not sure though | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, no button react, only control | 15:14 |
| varu | this seems to be more about sending dbus commands yeah | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | you can check /opt/oscp/bin/oscp-remote.py if i did something with volume buttons or others | 15:16 |
| varu | so if i were to add my own button hold detection thing, i'd interact with oscp through remote.py? | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | or in oscp-dbus-listener.py | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | nah, it listens on tcp port if you enable it | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | then you can use telnet or python to connect and send commands | 15:18 |
| varu | ok, i know other programs on the n900 definitely had button read/polling capabilities, if everything up to that stage checks out and i'm happy with how it works, i'll do some research & see if it can be added | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | i've also added a socket in /tmp that one could use by writing text there too, but havent tested it much | 15:18 |
| varu | well, s/if/how | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | in /opt/oscp/share/remote.txt you should have list of commands it accepts | 15:19 |
| varu | i found 3/4 units.. maybe there were only 3? | 15:33 |
| varu | one is my old phone: i didn't use a screen protector & the surface of it looks like a warzone | 15:34 |
| varu | the other two.. one has a dangling USB port, the other one's USB port is missing altogether | 15:34 |
| KotCzarny | one become sentient and crawled away? | 15:34 |
| CatButts | ever since I did the USB solder blob thing, my volume buttons are awfully dangly | 15:35 |
| varu | as half the plastic case is cracked i'm assuming its owner wasn't particularly gentle so i wouldn't blame it | 15:35 |
| varu | as long as no traces are lifted i do have the equipment to fix it | 15:35 |
| varu | is there a way to prevent it from easily happening again? | 15:35 |
| KotCzarny | ~usbfix | 15:35 |
| infobot | somebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt, or to avoid breakage, see ~usb-unplug | 15:36 |
| CatButts | aka solder blob thing :P | 15:36 |
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| varu | lol literally blob'd the support edges by scraping down to the copper on the pcb | 15:37 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 15:37 |
| KotCzarny | but it works | 15:37 |
| varu | i guess the pads they designed in were too small to handle the physical stress | 15:37 |
| CatButts | you need to also grind some plastic afterwards | 15:37 |
| varu | to make room for the blob? | 15:37 |
| CatButts | yes | 15:37 |
| varu | ...*that* part worries me | 15:37 |
| CatButts | not really worrysome | 15:38 |
| varu | mostly as i don't have tools for fine plastic filing/manipulation | 15:38 |
| CatButts | I used soldering tip and pocket knife | 15:38 |
| varu | lol yeah i have a firestarter sitting around for that sort of melt job.. big problem is accuracy, it's easy to make a huge mess of things | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | hot needle? | 15:40 |
| varu | if there isn't much plastic to melt away, that'd be better | 15:41 |
| varu | i guess i'll find out shortly.. disassembly time! | 15:41 |
| varu | are BL-5Js still made? | 15:41 |
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| KotCzarny | they were year or two ago | 15:41 |
| varu | or at least aftermarkets that haven't just been sitting for years and years | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | for nokia asha 302 i think | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | and currently i whink polarcells were good | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | ~polarcell | 15:42 |
| infobot | i heard polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement | 15:42 |
| bencoh | polarcells were still good a few years ago yeah | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | and by good i mean 'people reported them to have real capacity and work well' | 15:42 |
| varu | https://www.ebay.ca/itm/262627335257 $8 and i can definitely pick up locally | 15:44 |
| varu | do these have a datecode? | 15:45 |
| varu | looking at the back of my 3 bl5js & i see a bunch of cryptic strings, but nothing that stands out | 15:45 |
| bencoh | honestly, I'd just try it out. charge/discharge cycle, see how it behaves / how accurate fuelgauge is once calibrated | 15:46 |
| Wizzup | so bought a set of cheap headphones (three ring with mic/control as well), n900 recognises it as tv out. | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | varu: i still use the original nokia bl-5j that phone came with | 15:47 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: mic on the "wrong" pad I guess ... there are two different standards iirc | 15:47 |
| varu | mine still worked the last time i used my n900 daily almost 3 years ago, but the capacity had definitely decreased | 15:47 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: ugh | 15:47 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: it works on my laptop, and the n900 headset also works on my laptop | 15:47 |
| bencoh | well, then the pad might be a tiny bit longer than necessary ... maybe | 15:48 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_standards | 15:51 |
| Wizzup | brrrr ;) ok | 15:52 |
| Wizzup | it was only 10 bucks anyway | 15:52 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: i personally made different mistake | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | bough tv-cable, original nokia, but... | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | with 2.5mm jack | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:54 |
| Wizzup | hehe | 15:57 |
| varu | has anyone figured out a baseband unlock for this thing btw? | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | you mean sim unlock ? | 16:04 |
| varu | if it can do quadband edge the antennas are there.. the chip can do 1700/2100, could 1900 be unlocked as well? | 16:04 |
| varu | frequency | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | ahm. havent seen any reports, feel free to search on wiki/talk .maemo.org | 16:05 |
| varu | when i switched from the n900, i switched from an AWS carrier too. my sim now would only run in 2g mode.. if at all, i'm not sure the 2g network even runs anymore | 16:05 |
| bencoh | I wonder what you mean by "unlock" though | 16:05 |
| varu | with various other android phones (i've done it myself on a galaxy s4) you could edit the baseband's supported frequencies | 16:06 |
| varu | that was a qualcomm phone & you could use qualcomm factory tools to basically enable anything | 16:06 |
| varu | the s4 i had did not support AWS/1700 out of the box.. it does now ;) | 16:07 |
| bencoh | shit, did I miss the council election? | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: yup | 16:08 |
| bencoh | is it closed already? | 16:08 |
| bencoh | bleh | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | ho hum, it still did allow me to vote | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | Typically voting lasts | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | for 7 days after the poll opens | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | mail was sent dec. 8th | 16:10 |
| bencoh | Election period: 8 Dec 2017 - 17 Dec 2017 | 16:10 |
| bencoh | according to wiki | 16:10 |
| varu | huh, disassembling the n900.. on the rear there's a plastic part that has two contact points, matching on the board. they don't seem to connect to anything.. anyone have an idea what it's for? | 16:10 |
| bencoh | varu: I suppose/hope you've already opened the service manual ... right? | 16:11 |
| varu | of course not! youtube! | 16:11 |
| bencoh | pfff | 16:11 |
| bencoh | I'd recommend having a glance at it first | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | ~l1/l2 | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys l2 | 16:12 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'l2' by key (16 of 39): ael2 ;; al2 ;; cml2 ;; cneal2 ;; email2sms ;; fail2ban ;; html2c ;; html2phax ;; html2texi ;; jargon bare metal2 ;; jargon big gray wall2 ;; jargon considered harmful2 ;; jargon padded cell2 ;; jargon reinvent the wheel2 ;; jargon smart terminal2 ;; jargon suitably small2. | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | just google for l1/l2 or l3/l4 n900 manuals | 16:12 |
| varu | yeah i'm looking at them right now | 16:13 |
| varu | CELLMO ANTENNA ASSEMBLY | 16:13 |
| varu | that settles that | 16:13 |
| bencoh | "Your vote has been received for the election" yay :) | 16:14 |
| varu | oh god is that an RTC battery i see? | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | probably long dead | 16:18 |
| varu | a nice 0.2v | 16:19 |
| varu | what's it used for? | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | clock? | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | rtc clock | 16:19 |
| varu | heh, if that's it, off it goes | 16:19 |
| varu | i don't want these succumbing to amiga disease | 16:20 |
| bencoh | what are you actually doing? | 16:20 |
| KotCzarny | you can replace with supercapacitor | 16:20 |
| varu | space is the issue | 16:20 |
| varu | supercaps as far as i know are huge | 16:20 |
| CatButts | what's amiga disease? | 16:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, what was the infobit.. | 16:20 |
| CatButts | does it involve sticky corrosive substances? | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | ~rtcbat | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | ~pupbatt | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | ~pupbat | 16:21 |
| CatButts | ~catbut | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys pup | 16:21 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'pup' by key (18 of 19): pupil ;; pupnik ;; compupic ;; puppet language ;; set topic .wavs and popups ;; ez-ipupdate ;; www2popup ;; linpopup ;; puppet ;; pup ;; dust puppy ;; toolbox _stripuppertext ;; jargon hungry puppy ;; popups ;; zapupgrade ;; peter the puppy ;; toolbox _popupmenuselect ;; kdepopup. | 16:21 |
| bencoh | ~bupbatt | 16:21 |
| varu | CatButts: amiga computers from the 80s & 90s used infamous varta barrel batteries that'd leak and eat right through the PCB | 16:21 |
| bencoh | ~bupbat | 16:21 |
| infobot | bupbat is probably use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 | 16:21 |
| bencoh | back-up | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | right. | 16:21 |
| varu | all for the RTC, every big box amiga needs'em removed before massive damage happens | 16:22 |
| varu | happens to SMD capacitors too :( | 16:22 |
| varu | i'm looking at a few synthesizers beside me (all from the 80s & 90s) and dreading the work involved to recap'em all.. | 16:22 |
| varu | but i have to get to it.. and soon at that | 16:23 |
| varu | boo, looks like the USB port outright fell out of this one | 16:24 |
| varu | was hoping it's on the inside of the case somewhere | 16:24 |
| varu | i see now what has to be removed for the 'blob' | 16:25 |
| varu | a heated knife should make short work of it | 16:25 |
| varu | hmm, as a testing unit while the USB port comes in i guess i could just power it from a bench PSU | 16:26 |
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| varu | man they really made this thing easy to disassemble | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | watch out for flatcables though, easy to destroy | 16:52 |
| varu | i'm aware.. the lens in my el-cheapo dashcam melted & although i was extremely careful on the disassembly, the chinesium used to make the sensor board's flex cable was recycled one too many times.. barely moved the thing and several pins lost continuity | 16:53 |
| varu | mmm.. both of these will need new USB ports | 16:57 |
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| CatButts | the worst part about recapping for me, is dead capacitors without visible faults | 17:26 |
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| CatButts | I frankenstein my own PSUs | 17:27 |
| CatButts | :p | 17:27 |
| varu | if something reaches a certain age for me, i just change'em all out.. and hope for the best | 17:28 |
| varu | the first time i did an SMD cap i used a hot-air station & set the temp to 320 i think | 17:29 |
| varu | *boom* | 17:29 |
| varu | flew clear across the room | 17:29 |
| varu | i can now say with absolute certainty that it was *not* a good idea.. | 17:29 |
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| Vajb | varu: i might wanna look into shortcutd, for skipping songs with say cam tricker | 18:37 |
| Vajb | also search for mods by sixwheeledbeast to enable buttons when screen is locked | 18:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :pops head up: | 18:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks | 18:39 |
| infobot | beasttweaks is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts | 18:39 |
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| varu | damn.. one of these boards has 3 of the 5 pads ripped off | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | i think there are testpads you can use as backup connect points | 21:07 |
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| varu | yeah that's the thread i'm looking at | 21:08 |
| varu | the big problem is lack of room to route all the wires.. even wire-wrap wire might be too thick for this | 21:09 |
| varu | hmm then again, seems like it's only 3 wires | 21:11 |
| * CatButts is scared by anything having to do with SMD | 21:12 | |
| KotCzarny | varu: connect qi charger directly? | 21:12 |
| varu | n900 isn't qi-compatible... is it? | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | there are adapters, no? | 21:13 |
| varu | ahhh, that translates to "stuff i need to buy" | 21:13 |
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| CatButts | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Nokia_DT-900.jpg | 21:14 |
| CatButts | looks yummy | 21:14 |
| CatButts | I want to bite into it | 21:14 |
| varu | lol | 21:14 |
| CatButts | http://www.szekelytermek.ro/images/termekek/parazskakurtos.jpg | 21:15 |
| varu | unless there's a commercial backing plate for the n900, qi would have to be a hack, or soldered in to the USB pads the same way i'd do a port | 21:15 |
| CatButts | http://www.rador.ro/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/kurtos.jpg | 21:15 |
| varu | that stuff is absolutely delicious | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | +1 | 21:16 |
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| CatButts | I blame the glassed surface | 21:16 |
| CatButts | of caramelled sugar | 21:16 |
| CatButts | on top of matte pastry | 21:18 |
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| varu | hallelujah! another. soul. saved. | 22:46 |
| varu | had to adjust the 'blob' a number of times to fit the edge of the screw channel, plus the necessary plastic removal | 22:47 |
| varu | but other than that.. now 2/3 are functional | 22:47 |
| varu | for the last one i'll need to wire in 3/5 USB pins, plus actually source a USB port. i think i'll wait on that for now | 22:53 |
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