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| CatButts | hey guise, what image viewers are out there for N900/Maemo? | 14:33 |
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| CatButts | I don't like default one | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | any linux one | 14:39 |
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| CatButts | well, I'd have to get of me arse and get acqualinted with the SDK | 15:00 |
| CatButts | "it's as easy as typing 'make'!" | 15:01 |
| CatButts | hahahahahahaha | 15:01 |
| CatButts | feh is nice | 15:06 |
| CatButts | kinda | 15:14 |
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| bencoh | feh could use some n900-specific patching though | 15:17 |
| bencoh | but yeah, it's "nice" :) | 15:17 |
| bencoh | (aka fast&simple) | 15:17 |
| CatButts | sxiv is not far off | 15:22 |
| CatButts | gpicview, couldn't find executable | 15:30 |
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| CatButts | hmmm | 17:36 |
| CatButts | apparently, I am not allowed to make symlink to /media/mmc1/ in MyDocs | 17:36 |
| CatButts | is it because the FAT32 FS? | 17:36 |
| bencoh | MyDocs is fat | 17:36 |
| CatButts | I have a half-arsed application that does not know what an SDCard is | 17:37 |
| CatButts | http://davy.preuveneers.be/phoneme/?q=node/34 this fucker, right here | 17:38 |
| bencoh | wtf | 17:38 |
| bencoh | anyway, you might be able to get away with mount -o bind | 17:39 |
| CatButts | so, how do I use mount -o bind | 17:43 |
| CatButts | or rather, what is outcome | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | think of it as overlay or junction | 17:43 |
| bencoh | man mount; basically it transparently remounts an already mounted fs at another mountpoint | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, not remounts, but duplicates on different path | 17:44 |
| CatButts | >man: no manual entry for 'mount' | 17:44 |
| bencoh | CatButts: on another unix system | 17:44 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: duplicate isn't a good phrasing either | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it's only mounted once, but at two places | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | remount would suggest previous umount | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | hence my comment | 17:45 |
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| CatButts | >mount: can't find evertest in /etc/fstab | 17:45 |
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| CatButts | tee hee | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | catbutts: consider linux for dummies lecture :P | 17:46 |
| CatButts | touch cat | 17:46 |
| CatButts | cat touch | 17:46 |
| CatButts | <chocobo13> unzip; strip; touch; grep; finger; gasp; mount; fsck; yes; more; yes; umount; sleep | 17:47 |
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| CatButts | I don't see any -o option | 17:50 |
| CatButts | there is -O | 17:50 |
| CatButts | mount /dev/mmc1 /media/mmc1 | 17:53 |
| CatButts | this would be what I have already | 17:54 |
| CatButts | when using the bind option, does the device or the media mount become first parameter? | 17:54 |
| CatButts | ah, it takes a directory | 17:56 |
| pkill9 | lmao | 17:57 |
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| CatButts | sudo mount -O bind /media/mmc1 /home/user/MyDocs/mmc1 | 18:01 |
| CatButts | there we go | 18:01 |
| CatButts | thanks bencoh | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | you can use any path as a source | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | doesnt have to be exact mount point | 18:02 |
| CatButts | s/evertest/everest | 18:03 |
| CatButts | let's see how Storage Usage/Treesize likes the new mount point :P | 18:05 |
| CatButts | gracefully | 18:05 |
| CatButts | treats it as 0byte file | 18:05 |
| CatButts | s/file/folder | 18:08 |
| CatButts | I remember this feature working before | 18:08 |
| CatButts | was it disabled, or is it served on a whitelist? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recommend against mointing sth to /home/user/MyDocs/mmc1 since /home/user/MyDocs is already a mountpoint itself | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it "works" but has all sorts of caveats | 18:10 |
| CatButts | yeah, none of the applications I care about work with PhoneME | 18:11 |
| CatButts | so I can unmount and call it a day | 18:11 |
| CatButts | bummer | 18:11 |
| CatButts | well, at least I learned a bit more of linux console | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you really wanna learn about mount, see https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-mount-namespaces/index.html | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until then, think of bindmounts as a form of (sym)link that only lives in kernel data structures | 18:16 |
| CatButts | a form of symlink, got it! | 18:23 |
| CatButts | I lost you at kernel data structures :P | 18:23 |
| CatButts | does it survive reboot? | 18:24 |
| CatButts | I am guessing no | 18:24 |
| bencoh | you're guessing right | 18:25 |
| bencoh | although you could add it to /etc/fstab | 18:25 |
| bencoh | (but I dont know when MyDocs is mounted, so this might lead to a race and might not be such a great idea) | 18:26 |
| CatButts | I don't mind my quick fix not surviving a reboot | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: that's why I recommended to rather _not_ (bind)mount anything there | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | related: alias uhls=':(){ echo `readlink -f $1`; mkdir /tmp/uh && mount --bind / /tmp/uh && pushd /tmp/uh && ls -lR `readlink -f $1` && popd && umount /tmp/uh && rmdir /tmp/uh; };:' | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uh like UnHide | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which might well be needed to actually access your /home/user/MyDocs/mmc1 mount | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when /home/user/MyDocs gets mounted later than /home/user/MyDocs/mmc1 | 19:12 |
| sicelo | CatButts: phoneme *does* know how to use sd card just fine. no need for any (bind)mounts | 19:15 |
| sicelo | what application are you trying to run? | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's phoneme? | 19:29 |
| CatButts | it emulates a javaphone | 19:30 |
| CatButts | J2SE | 19:30 |
| CatButts | it's one of the more decent emus | 19:31 |
| sicelo | J2ME :-) | 19:31 |
| CatButts | sorry, sicelo | 19:31 |
| CatButts | except the version I have is dated 2012 | 19:32 |
| CatButts | not quite so decent | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's a javaphone? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that it sounds like anything faintly useful for N900 | 19:34 |
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| CatButts | it's the older phones that run J2ME | 19:34 |
| CatButts | unrelated: | 19:34 |
| CatButts | ~palmos | 19:34 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, palmos is the second finest OS this bot knows about | 19:34 |
| CatButts | I needed to copypaste this | 19:35 |
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| sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: it's a J2ME emulator for running those old-school java applets | 19:40 |
| sicelo | e.g. on nkia S40 phones | 19:41 |
| sicelo | *Nokia | 19:41 |
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| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/Vibe_in_action.gif one of the few applications I cared about | 19:42 |
| CatButts | that, and opera mini | 19:42 |
| CatButts | opera mini mod | 19:43 |
| sicelo | the one giving you problems is that 'vibe'? | 19:43 |
| CatButts | yes | 19:43 |
| CatButts | hmmm, I think I can output a log | 19:43 |
| sicelo | what's nice/good about mini "mod" when compared to the plain one? | 19:43 |
| CatButts | everything | 19:44 |
| CatButts | it's like a browser-centric OS | 19:44 |
| CatButts | over-customisability, new browsing features, use heap or file storage for browser cache | 19:45 |
| CatButts | download manager, ftp client, file browser, basic media player, text viewer and editor, hex editor | 19:46 |
| bencoh | I still dont really understand why you'd run java-powered app on n900 | 19:46 |
| CatButts | I've got a few apps I liked on my java phones | 19:46 |
| CatButts | hell, maybe j2me keepass is more usable than n900 one! | 19:47 |
| CatButts | and vibe | 19:47 |
| CatButts | vibe is midi sequencer | 19:47 |
| CatButts | with a bunch of mods I added | 19:47 |
| CatButts | does n900 even have a midi seq? | 19:48 |
| CatButts | in the repos? | 19:48 |
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| CatButts | nope! | 19:48 |
| CatButts | the only decent drawing application on this happens to be J2SE one | 19:48 |
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| CatButts | I resort to other platforms because what is available directly for the N900 is | 19:49 |
| CatButts | well | 19:49 |
| CatButts | it's meh | 19:49 |
| CatButts | *on this phone | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | CatButts: oscp can play midis | 19:52 |
| CatButts | vibe can make them | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | but i dont think it has midi in the system | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | decent drawing application? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 19:54 |
| CatButts | sheepdrawing is the other one | 19:54 |
| CatButts | :p | 19:54 |
| CatButts | jk | 19:55 |
| CatButts | myPaint counts as 'half-arsed' port for me | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E | 19:55 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/screenshot03[2].png | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | half-arsed, eh? | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | half-shagged | 19:59 |
| CatButts | the GUI handles like it's meant for PC, not phone | 19:59 |
| CatButts | for myPaint | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | that's why things while generally compile and work unmodified for maemo, need porting | 20:00 |
| CatButts | yes | 20:00 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/oekakiiiiiii.PNG this is simpler, compared to myPaint | 20:00 |
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| CatButts | and with some diddling of the keymap, it's usable | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, "it's NOT a phone" | 20:02 |
| CatButts | yeah, a standard phone would probably have no qwerty keyboard and would have shitty capacitive touchscreen :P | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | no | 20:03 |
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| KotCzarny | you are thinking of toyphone | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually N900 is a palmtop PC, Nokia calls the series "Nokia Internet Tablet" | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | standard phone would have buttons and would be capable of making and receiving phone calls | 20:04 |
| CatButts | sorry, my bad | 20:04 |
| CatButts | but even on standard phone I can run some neat applications | 20:04 |
| CatButts | if its J2ME implementation wills it | 20:05 |
| KotCzarny | like snake and minesweeper? :P | 20:05 |
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| KotCzarny | why dont you just start looking for linux replacements of those j2me apps? | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | they are usually pretty standard ideas implemented | 20:06 |
| CatButts | there's a J2ME compiler and IDE running on J2ME that no phone can properly run because it's not powerful enough :P | 20:06 |
| CatButts | well, the linux replacement of KeePassX on the Maemo sucks :P | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | nope, its just not ported | 20:07 |
| CatButts | I'd have to learn new skills | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | sure, that's what n900 is all about | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | open source and all the perks of it | 20:08 |
| * CatButts rolls on his lazy feline bumarse | 20:08 | |
| CatButts | or I could decompile J2ME things and port them to J2SE by hand and forever hate myself :P | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | then make a bounty and post on t.m.o | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | and let someone else do the dirty job | 20:09 |
| CatButts | bounty means offering money, yes? | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | or other things or services | 20:10 |
| CatButts | can I make a bounty for someone teaching me through first steps of weilding the Maemo SDK? | 20:11 |
| CatButts | :P | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 20:11 |
| CatButts | I'll wait my next salary and think about it :P | 20:12 |
| CatButts | oh, curiosity | 20:13 |
| CatButts | does the digitizer on the n900 output a Z axis? | 20:14 |
| CatButts | aka pressure | 20:14 |
| CatButts | Nintendo DS did actually output that | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | pressure no, but can detect your big grubby fingers getting grubbier on presses | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | which is kinda similar | 20:15 |
| CatButts | oh, so it detects contact area? | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | you should read how resistive screens work | 20:15 |
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| CatButts | http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt209a/slyt209a.pdf | 20:20 |
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| sicelo | CatButts: serious!? ypaint is half-arsed port???? | 20:22 |
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| CatButts | yes, the gui/menus are a pain | 20:24 |
| CatButts | that appear suited for PC | 20:24 |
| sicelo | 8mm sorry, but you're unbelievable! just look at your drawing app's screenshot - looks like a toy app | 20:24 |
| sicelo | s/8mm/I'm/ | 20:25 |
| infobot | sicelo meant: I'm sorry, but you're unbelievable! just look at your drawing app's screenshot - looks like a toy app | 20:25 |
| sicelo | just learn the shortcuts. there's a reason why N900 has qwerty keyboard | 20:25 |
| sicelo | i use only one j2me app now - a bible in my home language | 20:26 |
| sicelo | used 2go as well before, but for some reason now it causes my n900 to reboot unexpectedly | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 20:27 |
| sicelo | yes. no idea why :-) | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | swaphell + watchdog? | 20:27 |
| CatButts | does it make you feel better if I tell you it's a java applet, half-arsedly ported to desktop, then half-arsedly adapted to N900? | 20:27 |
| sicelo | not swap hell | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | cant imagine any other reason | 20:27 |
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| CatButts | therefore, it's quarter-arsedly, sicelo :P | 20:27 |
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| sicelo | KotCzarny: not even heavy cpu use. i wanted to turn on RD mode to do better debugging, but got lazy. 2go not a priority anyway - just that a couple of people use it | 20:28 |
| sicelo | CatButts: "it" in your last messages means your drawing app, or mypaint? | 20:29 |
| CatButts | my drawing app | 20:29 |
| sicelo | midi sequencer we don't have on N900 (due to general MIDI issues with Linux anyway) | 20:31 |
| sicelo | look at Sunvox though | 20:31 |
| CatButts | that's pretty good | 20:32 |
| CatButts | albeit, a bit heavy on the poor CPU | 20:32 |
| CatButts | have yet to get used to its UI | 20:33 |
| CatButts | hmmm, I wonder if Java Embedded has built-in midi playback | 20:33 |
| CatButts | J2SE for desktop certainly has | 20:33 |
| sicelo | prolly not | 20:33 |
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| KotCzarny | but on pc you can stuff software renderer to alsa to act as a sequencer | 20:34 |
| CatButts | I have this one replayer for some obscure tracked music format lying around, maybe I can coax myself to make a music tool around it | 20:37 |
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| CatButts | J2SE embedded does have built in midi player | 20:49 |
| CatButts | it's called Gervil | 20:49 |
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| CatButts | no wait | 20:54 |
| CatButts | Gervil is part of OpenJDK | 20:54 |
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| sicelo | you just want a midi player? :-/ | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | oscp! | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:22 |
| sicelo | then just get oscp by all means! | 21:22 |
| sicelo | yes :-) | 21:22 |
| CatButts | https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/ shameless self promotion :P | 21:23 |
| CatButts | what does oscp use for tracked music? | 21:24 |
| CatButts | libmodplug or libopenmpt? | 21:24 |
| CatButts | the latter being the successor of the former | 21:24 |
| CatButts | inb4 neither | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | libxmp | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | for plain mods | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | óscp | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | ~oscp | 21:25 |
| infobot | hmm... oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | read that page | 21:25 |
| CatButts | s3xmodit | 21:25 |
| CatButts | s3m xm mod it | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | and grab the version from extras-devel | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | because the one in extras is ancient | 21:25 |
| CatButts | and what do you use for midi? | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | libwildmidi | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | you will have to add sound files too, freepats will suffice tho | 21:26 |
| CatButts | oooooh, softsynth | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | wildmidi is cpu friendly | 21:27 |
| CatButts | https://www.mindwerks.net/projects/wildmidi/ | 21:27 |
| CatButts | wait, it says softsynth at top of the page | 21:27 |
| CatButts | does it actually have synthesized patches? | 21:27 |
| CatButts | or is it ye olde wave player | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | you know that midi uses samples? even in keyboards? | 21:28 |
| CatButts | not necesarely | 21:28 |
| CatButts | midi is set of commands | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | many sound banks in keyboards are sampled for quality | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | and those cheaper ones are synths | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | but nothing stops you from using synth bank | 21:29 |
| CatButts | it's up to the midi device/software to decide what to do with the commands | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | you can easily convert and use any sf2 sound bank | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | but keep in mind n900 is a bit short on mem, so dont go overboard with 300MB sound bank :P | 21:30 |
| CatButts | lol | 21:30 |
| CatButts | oscp comes with bank prepackaged? | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 21:31 |
| CatButts | ah, my job there | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | for size reasons and because freepats is in repo | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | but install freepats first if you want it to autodetect | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise you will have to specify location of the files | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 22:09 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... bookmark-news... slashdot, cnn | 22:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 22:10 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee | 22:10 |
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