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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<freemangordon> there is nothing that conflicts)) so you could run softfp programs on a hardfp platform/system, provided there are all necessary "softfp" lib.so available? | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/programs/binaries/ | 00:10 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: ((<freemangordon> there is nothing that conflicts)) so you could run softfp binaries on a hardfp platform/system, provided there are all necessary "softfp" lib.so available? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, isn't that already answered by >>...but dynamic linking of an executable to a library will not know that it is a bad idea to link a softfp libc or libm to a hardfp executable and vice-versa.<< | 00:13 |
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| ilew | Wizzup: curl isn't a dependency for mp-fremantle-community-pr only libcurl3. If you upgrade curl first you should then be able to install the new CSSU Testing. | 10:16 |
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| Wizzup | ilew: But it blocks it. And there is no update for it. | 11:43 |
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| Wikiwide | Very tired. Very tired. Headaches every evening for at least last week, if not more. | 13:43 |
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| KotCzarny | pregnant | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:44 |
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| Wikiwide | Lawl. I am not Anakin's mom to do the impossible. | 13:44 |
| Wikiwide | Anyway, it is more likely to have something with deficiency of iron or Vitamin D, or lack of sleep, or eyesight problem, or exposure to WiFi. | 13:45 |
| pkill9 | does anyone use the webbrowser on n900? | 13:46 |
| pkill9 | for any bigger websites | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | caffeine dependency? | 13:46 |
| Wikiwide | Why did the latest cssu update require installation of meegographicssomething? | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: nope, ram problem | 13:47 |
| pkill9 | yeah it's slow | 13:47 |
| Wikiwide | I do my Internet Banking in MicroB. | 13:47 |
| pkill9 | microb is the browser that comes with maemo right? | 13:47 |
| pkill9 | i need to upgrade to CSSU | 13:48 |
| Wikiwide | Do not drink coffee. Do not drink cocoa, generally. Even tea is rare - I am more likely to drink chamomile tea or ginger tea. | 13:48 |
| pkill9 | what's the improvements from non-CSSU maemo? | 13:48 |
| pkill9 | as far as i can tell it's mostly just more customizable Hildon | 13:48 |
| Wikiwide | MicroB is the default browser on maemo, yes. Like Firefox 3.6, engine-wise... | 13:48 |
| Wikiwide | Some bugs and memory leaks fixed, in cssu. | 13:49 |
| Wikiwide | Some features added, too. | 13:49 |
| Wikiwide | Some blobs reverse-engineered, I think. | 13:49 |
| Wikiwide | ~cssu | 13:49 |
| infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 13:49 |
| pkill9 | is the latest git available for maemo? | 13:50 |
| pkill9 | ~repository | 13:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: it's not only customizations, it's fixing plenty of bugs in packages | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | so definitely recommended over stock | 13:51 |
| pkill9 | ok, i should upgrade then | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | and if you are adventurious you can even try cssu-thumb | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | which should save a megabyte or two | 13:51 |
| pkill9 | could i upgrade from cssu to cssu-thumb? | 13:51 |
| Wikiwide | As in, is maemo code on github? I think so. At least, for open-source packages, including reverse engineered ones. | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | Wikiwide: yeah | 13:52 |
| pkill9 | Wikiwide: i mean, is the git program up to date? | 13:52 |
| pkill9 | or does it depend on newer kernel | 13:52 |
| Wikiwide | Does git run on Maemo 5? | 13:53 |
| Wikiwide | Yes, there is git 1.7.9.5-1-maemo2 in repositories. | 13:54 |
| Wizzup | quite a bit of the maemo code is on gh | 13:54 |
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| pkill9 | is this package database up to date? | 14:07 |
| pkill9 | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 14:08 |
| pkill9 | i can't find mosh :( | 14:08 |
| Wikiwide | Yes, it is up-to-date | 14:08 |
| Wikiwide | Not sure if it covers all repositories | 14:08 |
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| Wikiwide | I think it covers maemo.org repositories, but not others? | 14:10 |
| rhombus | Hey there | 14:10 |
| Wikiwide | No idea. Apt-cache search mosh gives no results in my terminal. | 14:10 |
| Wikiwide | Hi :-) | 14:10 |
| rhombus | Nice to see some activity on the channel :) | 14:10 |
| Wikiwide | Thank pkill9 :-) | 14:11 |
| Wikiwide | /me is just idling most of the time | 14:11 |
| rhombus | :) | 14:12 |
| rhombus | I've been using my N900 with the CSSU(?) for about a month now. I'm pleasantly surprised so far. | 14:13 |
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| rhombus | One thing that is on my mind, though, is call encryption. I suspect third-party shenanigans... | 14:14 |
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| rhombus | My calls are often bumped to "2G" or "2.5 G" (whatever that means) | 14:15 |
| rhombus | and this is even though there is no discernable reason why. Clear line of sight to the nearest cell tower, and the switch always seems to happen when the call is initiated. Before, I'll see "3G" in the status bar. | 14:16 |
| Wikiwide | Feel free to choose "2G only", "3G only" or "Dual" in Settings > Phone. | 14:16 |
| rhombus | Wikiwide: ah, ok :) | 14:16 |
| Wikiwide | 3G should be more encrypted than 2G. | 14:16 |
| Wikiwide | 2G tower can insist that it doesn't support encryption, and modem generally trusts cellular tower. | 14:17 |
| rhombus | Wikiwide: yeah, I know that's a popular trick, to middle-man the call and force the phone to 2G | 14:17 |
| inz | rhombus, 2.5G is probably EDGE | 14:17 |
| rhombus | inz: ok | 14:17 |
| inz | Still 2G, but with 384 kbit/s! | 14:18 |
| rhombus | inz: whoooooOOOoooooooooooooooooosh! | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | 640kb/s should be enough for everyone! | 14:18 |
| rhombus | lol | 14:18 |
| inz | I remember starting out with 2400 bps modem; did not do any file transfers though | 14:19 |
| rhombus | Is there a Maemo app that can help sniff out IMSI catchers? I live in a *cough* major European capital | 14:19 |
| rhombus | inz: My first modem was 300 bps | 14:19 |
| rhombus | I remember being SO excited when I got it | 14:19 |
| inz | I whistle faster than 300 baud ;) | 14:20 |
| rhombus | And I also did file transfers with it | 14:20 |
| rhombus | and then I upgraded to 1200 (oh the excitement) and later, using an adapter cable, switched to a 2400 bps modem (more excitement) | 14:20 |
| rhombus | when I tried my first 14.4 kbps modem I nearly died from the thrill | 14:21 |
| Wikiwide | Lawl... Count Rhombus, I don't know of a specific app. I use Cellular Tower, it shows which tower is in use. But there is ... Restinpeace ... app? | 14:21 |
| lawl | no. | 14:21 |
| rhombus | lawl: no? What are you no-ing about? | 14:22 |
| lawl | highlighting me for no reason | 14:23 |
| Wikiwide | Sorry. I didn't know there was a person with this name... | 14:24 |
| pkill9 | has anyone successfully tried running discord on n900 with maemo? | 14:26 |
| rhombus | It's like having the name "Not Sure": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1P7GMnd38 | 14:26 |
| pkill9 | then again i guess someone needs to make a discord app for maemo first | 14:26 |
| Wikiwide | Sure, Nott. | 14:26 |
| Wikiwide | Discord plugin for telepathy? | 14:26 |
| Wikiwide | Anyway, there are discord-irc gateways in existence. | 14:27 |
| pkill9 | yeah | 14:27 |
| bencoh | isn't discord used for audio as well? | 14:27 |
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| pkill9 | yeah it is | 14:28 |
| pkill9 | if the discord plugin for telepathy supports audio then i assume that could be used | 14:29 |
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| bencoh | there is a libpurple plugin | 14:30 |
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| bencoh | I dont think it implements audio functionalities though | 14:33 |
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| pkill9 | ~cssu | 15:18 |
| infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 15:18 |
| pkill9 | can i upgrade from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing? | 15:19 |
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| pkill9 | woo i have CSSU installed | 16:08 |
| * enyc meows | 16:58 | |
| * CatButts farts | 17:15 | |
| CatButts | [14:26] <pkill9> then again i guess someone needs to make a discord app for maemo first | 17:17 |
| CatButts | well | 17:17 |
| CatButts | there's an outdated pidgin package for maemo | 17:17 |
| CatButts | and for pidgin, there is a Discord plugin | 17:18 |
| CatButts | I've yet to try this solution out | 17:24 |
| CatButts | if pidgin port is anything like KeePassX, I can do without | 17:24 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/screenshot01.png I should look into getting applications to use default GTK/whatever theme | 17:27 |
| CatButts | without sudo intervention | 17:27 |
| CatButts | that is | 17:27 |
| CatButts | sudo keepassx | 17:27 |
| CatButts | :P | 17:27 |
| CatButts | I don't give a rat's ass about native Look'n'Feel when it impedes usability | 17:29 |
| CatButts | [15:19] <pkill9> can i upgrade from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing? | 17:35 |
| CatButts | I think that goes hand-in-hand with the "Can I uninstall CSSU" | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | no, it doesnt | 17:37 |
| CatButts | oh, you can switch safely? | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | not supported, but should work | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | since it changes pkg names/versions and repos, it should suck packages just fine | 17:38 |
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| pkill9 | i'll probably stick with cssu-stable, but was just wondering | 17:59 |
| bencoh | wait, why would you sudo keepassx? | 18:02 |
| CatButts | I dunno | 18:02 |
| CatButts | let's see | 18:03 |
| CatButts | ah, here's how it went | 18:03 |
| sicelo | update cssu-S -> cssu-T *is* supported, pkill9. it's the other way round that's not supported | 18:03 |
| CatButts | I needed to edit system file | 18:03 |
| CatButts | sudo leafpad | 18:03 |
| pkill9 | ah ok | 18:03 |
| CatButts | different theme, crashy app | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | CatButts: you can override gtk theme with .gtkrc in your home dir. even PER APP | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | you dont need to edit system files | 18:04 |
| CatButts | I needed to edit "some system files" | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | but im referring to you sudoing keepassx | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | for different display | 18:04 |
| CatButts | hmmmm | 18:06 |
| CatButts | how far does Maemo's theme engine go? | 18:07 |
| CatButts | say, if I tried to make a theme that forces no theme except default, globally | 18:08 |
| CatButts | that is, a theme about nothing | 18:08 |
| pkill9 | are newer versions of pidgin incompatible with maemo or has the maemo package just not been updated? | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: too old glibc/gtk on maemo | 18:08 |
| pkill9 | aww that sucks | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | CatButts: you have to write proper overrides probably | 18:09 |
| pkill9 | are newer versions of the backend that pidgin relies on (libpurple?) also incompatible? or is it just pidgin that uses too new of glibc? | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | dont know, just gathering my memories of this channel past talks | 18:11 |
| CatButts | I keep postponing getting off me lazy bum and learning to operate Maemo SDK | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | is there anything special to 'operate' it? | 18:19 |
| CatButts | knowing where to start after fresh deployment of vmx image | 18:20 |
| CatButts | for a diehard windows user, that is something :P | 18:21 |
| pkill9 | oo zenity on maemo is nice :) | 18:41 |
| pkill9 | completely integrated with the touch UI | 18:42 |
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| CatButts | ~zenity | 18:42 |
| CatButts | oh, make dialogs from bash scripts | 18:43 |
| CatButts | *call dialogs | 18:43 |
| pkill9 | this will be nice for simple API queries | 18:46 |
| pkill9 | s/API/REST | 18:49 |
| CatButts | I am a cat person. | 18:51 |
| CatButts | s/cat/dog | 18:51 |
| CatButts | it's dead | 18:51 |
| CatButts | thank you | 18:51 |
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| pkill9 | how stable is python 3 for maemo? since it's still in extras-devel | 20:44 |
| CatButts | there is a python 3? | 20:45 |
| pkill9 | yup | 20:45 |
| pkill9 | has beenf or a while | 20:45 |
| CatButts | I wasn't aware of python above 2.5 | 20:45 |
| pkill9 | really? | 20:45 |
| * CatButts pushes his rock aside | 20:45 | |
| pkill9 | xD | 20:45 |
| CatButts | I wouldn't mind a final python 2.7 | 20:46 |
| CatButts | python is my go-to scripting language | 20:46 |
| CatButts | which 3.x version is pyth... I'll check | 20:47 |
| CatButts | 3.4 | 20:49 |
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