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| jonwil | ok, I think I am in trouble | 13:09 |
| jonwil | I think I just stuffed my phone | 13:09 |
| jonwil | My clone of connui-statusbar-cellular is crashing hildon-status-menu which leads to the startup system trying to load it again and again and when it fails to load, the phone reboots. | 13:10 |
| jonwil | I need some way to solve this that doesn't involve flashing. | 13:11 |
| jonwil | and no unfortunately I dont have bootmenu or backupmenu or the like running | 13:11 |
| jonwil | I do have ssh going but it reboots before it can connect to WiFi for me to log on | 13:11 |
| jonwil | and I cant open a terminal fast enough either | 13:13 |
| jonwil | Am I screwed? | 13:13 |
| Wizzup | you can boot to the rescue os and fox it? | 13:13 |
| Wizzup | oh, no bootmenu. hm. | 13:14 |
| jonwil | Am I screwed? | 13:14 |
| jonwil | Is there some way I can boot some sort of rescue os over via the flasher? | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | as long battery is ok | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | ~rescueos | 13:23 |
| infobot | rumour has it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 13:23 |
| jonwil | ok, good, rescueos is booting | 13:29 |
| jonwil | YAY | 13:29 |
| jonwil | Now I can hopefully fix my system | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | as long you know what did you break | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | dont forget to charge the battery | 13:31 |
| jonwil | I know what I broke, I just need to figure out the right way to get the correct .so file on the device | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | usbnet + scp ? | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | or wget | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | in the worst case sdcard | 13:35 |
| Maxdamantus | Can just use g_file_storage from rescueos. | 13:38 |
| Maxdamantus | To make the eMMC appear as a UMS .. just make sure you don't mount it on the device at the same time. | 13:39 |
| jonwil | So I mount it via what? | 13:39 |
| jonwil | what command do I use? | 13:39 |
| jonwil | to mount emmc as a ums | 13:39 |
| Maxdamantus | Something like: modprobe g_file_storage file=/dev/mmcblk1 | 13:40 |
| Maxdamantus | (dunno if mmcblk1 will be the right device) | 13:40 |
| Maxdamantus | it'll be either mmcblk1 or mmcblk0 | 13:40 |
| jonwil | it mound but Windows (all I have) wont recognize the disk | 13:41 |
| jonwil | So looks like networking is the way to go | 13:41 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah, yeah, dunno about using that from Windows. | 13:41 |
| Maxdamantus | modprobe g_ether && ifconfig usb0 x.y.z.w netmask 255.a.b.c | 13:43 |
| jonwil | I can see some devices listed in device manager now | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooor... you simply don't finish the welcome screen ;-) *might* still leave you with working WLAN while not starting HD/HH and thus not rebooting | 13:48 |
| jonwil | Tried that, wlan doesn't start up properly | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | drat | 13:48 |
| jonwil | I see "Nokia USB Modem #2" in device manager along with "Nokia USB Generic", "Nokia USB Obex" and "Nokia USB Phone Parent" | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I *thought* the system should throw you to a shell instead of rebooting system when HH restarts exceed the dsme limit | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on CSSU | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure I pushed that and it been commonly accepted | 13:50 |
| jonwil | I dont think I am running the right version of whatever package it is | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, rescueos, log in via ssh, mount, fix shit | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | how about adding rescueos to boot process | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | and make uboot react on some key | 13:54 |
| Maxdamantus | Or just use pali's boot_menu command in uboot. | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | but make it done via cssu | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | so everyone has it | 13:55 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, there'd still be an installation step. | 13:56 |
| Maxdamantus | You can't just distribute a package that overwrites people's bootloaders when it gets installed. | 13:57 |
| Maxdamantus | ("can't" as in "really shouldn't") | 13:57 |
| Maxdamantus | (side note: fuck you Debian, stop overwriting my fucking grub.cfg) | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | make it show up similar to cssu installer | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | ie. user has to click the icon to enable it, but have the package on device by default | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: de**an has some grub-local.cfg that gets included, but generally it's best to f*ck the grub2 and just use grub1 installed by hand | 13:59 |
| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: when I looked into it, it appeared to be pretty much impossible to avoid. | 14:00 |
| Maxdamantus | other than by setting the immutable xattr on the file or something. | 14:00 |
| jonwil | I think I fixed it | 14:00 |
| Maxdamantus | but last time I modified grub.cfg I forgot to set it back. | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | i remember adding own kernels/menu items to grub2, and they stayed over upgrades | 14:00 |
| jonwil | I was able to use the mmr command in rescueos to mount maemo | 14:01 |
| jonwil | Then I was able to chroot into that mounted system | 14:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't add things "to grub2" | 14:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I just maintain a very simple grub.cfg | 14:01 |
| jonwil | Then I could run dpkg and install the needed original .deb file | 14:01 |
| jonwil | At least I think that worked, testing now. | 14:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I see no need to have it regenerated using some complicated bash scripts. | 14:01 |
| jonwil | ok, its booted and isn't killing hildon-status-bar over and over | 14:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 beats jonwil with a BM | 14:03 | |
| Maxdamantus | afaict, the actual invocation of the grub2 command that generates the grub.cfg was hardcoded into the postinst script, and it was unconditional. | 14:03 |
| Maxdamantus | I once tried modifying the postinst script, which kind of backfired. | 14:03 |
| jonwil | Now I am going to commit my WIP connui-statusbar-cellular to git and get fmg to figure out what I did wrong | 14:04 |
| jonwil | or rather I would do that if github hadn't gone boom right at the minute | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | use your time! | 14:05 |
| Maxdamantus | Since during an `apt-get upgrade` it noticed that the file changed, so copied the pristine version as a temporary file in the same directory, then ran all the postinsts in that directory, *THEN* asked what I wanted to do with the two files. | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 14:05 |
| infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 14:05 |
| jonwil | Is github working for anyone else? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | github never worked for me :-P | 14:05 |
| Maxdamantus | The website is working for me. | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too much JS BS | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | Oh, you mean on microb? | 14:07 |
| Maxdamantus | Seems to always work on Opera Mobile. | 14:07 |
| jonwil | no, I mean on my PC. I am having connectivity problems with it. | 14:07 |
| jonwil | DNS issues specifically | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also meant my PC | 14:07 |
| jonwil | says "cant find github.com" | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you connected N900 via USB? network manager? | 14:08 |
| jonwil | I didn't get USB networking working | 14:08 |
| jonwil | or any kind of networking in rescueos | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NM likes to think N900 was a new leete NIC | 14:08 |
| jonwil | I was able to get my system fixed once I found out I could mount rootfs and chroot into it | 14:09 |
| jonwil | That's a handy thing to be able to do | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try host ct.de on your PC | 14:09 |
| jonwil | Its a windows PC so I dont have host, I only have nslookup | 14:09 |
| jonwil | which works btw | 14:09 |
| jonwil | it resolves that address | 14:10 |
| jonwil | and just about everything else normal | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh windoesn't, then why not just reboot? ;-) | 14:10 |
| jonwil | I dont have anything other than Windows on this PC :P | 14:10 |
| jonwil | Its probably an ISP issue, this happens occasionally | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | close and reopen your browser? | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/foshardware "works" for me | 14:12 |
| jonwil | Its happening in several different programs | 14:12 |
| jonwil | so its a DNS issue | 14:13 |
| jonwil | for sure | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DHCP problem prolly | 14:13 |
| jonwil | nope, DNS works fine elsewhere, I am 100% sure its an ISP problem since this has happened before | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I could bet windows also thinks N900 is a nice NIC | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka modem | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka LTE USB stick | 14:14 |
| jonwil | Yeah Windows thinks N900 is a Nokia Modem rather than a USB network device | 14:14 |
| jonwil | Doesn't matter, my N900 works and that's what matters | 14:14 |
| jonwil | That and waiting for things to fix so I can push this thing to cssu git | 14:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 grumbles on CSSU not on garage | 14:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly unplug USB, unplug and replug ethernet | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most OS seem to follow a "most recently plugged" policy regarding NIC and routing, and particularly their DHCP (incl NS IP) and established sessions | 14:18 |
| Maxdamantus | It seems weird that it would behave like that, unless you were running a DHCP server on the N900. | 14:18 |
| jonwil | Its nothing at all to do with N900 | 14:19 |
| Maxdamantus | Plugging it in shouldn't itself cause a default route to be added. | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that would be pretty surprising | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>thinks N900 is a Nokia Modem<< is the exact diagnostic indicator | 14:20 |
| jonwil | My internet works 100% for everything except github.com wont resolve so its definitely not something to do with routes or my N900 or usbnet or anything else I might have done. | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, you'd think | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you forget NAT sessions and DNS cache | 14:21 |
| jonwil | I cleared out DNS cache | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, well then | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you restart your browser? | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has its own DNS cache | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of sorts | 14:22 |
| jonwil | Its happening with browser and several other things that talk to gitlab | 14:22 |
| jonwil | might reboot though just because :) | 14:23 |
| jonwil | cant make things worse :) | 14:23 |
| jonwil | might also reboot the DSL router | 14:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly suspexts those "other things" also stayed up and running while network route got switched several times | 14:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as the NAT keeps a session, you're out of luck | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | NAT doesn't just keep a single session for for a single local address. | 14:27 |
| Maxdamantus | If you try to open a new connection, you'll be creating a new NAT "session". | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my router has a script that tears down all NAT sessions when failing over/back to/from backup ISP connection | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this still didn't suffice, need to provide its own IP for DHCP's NS proxy, since otherwise LAN clients won't get the auxiliary WAN connection's NS as provided by ISP to router via DHCP | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a globally valid NS, like 8.8.8.8 | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | failower is great when it works, but a PITA to get it to work | 14:31 |
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| jonwil | looks like its a problem with my ISPs DNS servers or something like that | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't know nslookup, for host/dig I'd suggest to check if it actually asks your ISP's NS | 14:34 |
| jonwil | Its definitely talking to the ISPs DNS | 14:35 |
| jonwil | I am 100% sure its a problem with the ISPs DNS server | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | loadbalancing: http://paste.opensuse.org/98065779 | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then use 8.8.8.8 for now | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw your ISP should offer at least one fallback NS IP in DHCP | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and click on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install ! ;-) | 14:43 |
| jonwil | The ISP DNS server works but cant resolve gitlab.com | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, weird | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | conspiracy! | 14:43 |
| jonwil | Changing resolv.conf in my vmware vm to google worked and I was able to push | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the IP? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of NS | 14:44 |
| jonwil | 203.12.160.35 | 14:45 |
| jonwil | 203.12.160.36 | 14:45 |
| jonwil | Those are the 2 the ISP provides | 14:45 |
| jonwil | both .35 and .36 cant find github.com | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't like me | 14:45 |
| jonwil | google at 8.8.8.8 can find it though | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is actually expected | 14:46 |
| jonwil | and yeah its probably configured to reject anything not from the ISPs own network | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 14:46 |
| jonwil | Anyhow, I was able to push what I wanted and I dont need to access github.com anymore | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | github or gitlab or gitblup ? | 14:47 |
| jonwil | github | 14:47 |
| jonwil | github definitely | 14:47 |
| jonwil | My vmware config is back to what it was and I have shut down the VM :) | 14:47 |
| jonwil | So its all good now | 14:47 |
| jonwil | I just need to get fmg to take a look at it | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, first you need to click http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 14:48 |
| jonwil | ok, installing BM now :) | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 14:50 |
| jonwil | It wanted me to add some extra dangerous repos to my HAM (i.e. extras-devel), is that safe? | 14:51 |
| jonwil | or do I remove them after BM is installed? | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, just disable it afterwards | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to figure how to temporarily enable catalogs in .install, but that seems not to be supported | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | DocScrutinizer05: direct deb download + install is the workaround | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how do you do that as one-click? | 14:55 |
| jonwil | still doing its thing | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | with some kind of exploit maybe | 14:56 |
| jonwil | "preparing for installation, please wait" | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel update takes a while | 14:56 |
| jonwil | yeah I imagine | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | or cssu-like installer | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | that downloads/installs packages before starting upgrade | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | without enabling repo | 14:56 |
| jonwil | Anyhow, I will install backupmenu | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | should check if package isnt already installed conflicting though | 14:57 |
| jonwil | and I will let fmg figure out why my clone of connui-statusbar-cellular makes hildon-status-menu go boom | 14:57 |
| jonwil | Of course this is putting me off doing any more N900 reverse engineering work right now :P | 14:57 |
| jonwil | since I dont want to miss-clone something harder to fix | 14:58 |
| jonwil | :) | 14:58 |
| jonwil | ok now its sitting on the ham screen with the 3 icons and doing nothing visible that I can see | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait | 15:00 |
| jonwil | Its probably doing something in the background | 15:00 |
| jonwil | now its installing BM | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, seems you got lazyham | 15:00 |
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| jonwil | yeah I have stock HAM | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil: why? | 15:02 |
| jonwil | I just do | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | upgrade? | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 15:04 |
| infobot | from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 15:04 |
| jonwil | I should probably be running more of the CSSU packages, right now I am running a mix of CSSU packages, stock packages and other things :P | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's basically what everybody with CSSU does | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/everybody with// | 15:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: that's basically what CSSU does | 15:06 |
| jonwil | What | 15:06 |
| jonwil | what I mean is that some of the packages that exist in CSSU I am running CSSU versions of | 15:06 |
| jonwil | others I am running stock versions of | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's strange | 15:06 |
| jonwil | and others I am running something else modified that isn't actually in cssu-testing | 15:06 |
| jonwil | rather I am running a bunch of stuff I compiled myself | 15:06 |
| jonwil | and not actually running CSSU at all | 15:06 |
| jonwil | So some things are stock | 15:07 |
| jonwil | and others are whatever is in CSSU Git | 15:07 |
| jonwil | which may not be what CSSU is actually shipping (e.g. microb-engine has a fix in it beyond CSSU) | 15:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I always swap out ISP provided DNS at the router. OpenDNS FTW. | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can see why those, but why stock instead CSSU for some? | 15:08 |
| jonwil | I just happen to not have compiled/installed those at this point | 15:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lol lazyHAM | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that some have very important bugfixes? | 15:10 |
| jonwil | like what? | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like a bug in HD with scrilling that makes it bounce up and down zero pixels constantly, cutting through your battery in no time. Or memleaks in system menu stuff etc | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scrolling* | 15:12 |
| jonwil | ok, my repo catalog is back where it should be | 15:12 |
| jonwil | removed the ones BM added | 15:12 |
| jonwil | now to plug it into the charger and leave it alone for a while :) | 15:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You would have to compare your versions of all the packages to CSSU, to be sure. | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might like my enable-catalogs script ;-) | 15:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | There are CVE's in there that are not just certs. | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would CSSU-installer / HAM install old CSSU-packages over newer locally installed ones? | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway now that jonwil has BM, he might want to make a backup and then finally install CSSU | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 15:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | That would be down to domains in HAM? Whereas apt would use dpkg -V? | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs -O /usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs && chown root /usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs && chmod +x /usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs | 15:19 |
| jonwil | I am currently running git versions of connui-home-cellular, connui-statusbar-internet, libmaemosec-certman0, libmaemosec0, libnspr4. libnss3-certs. libnss3. libpng12-0. libssl0.9.8. libxml2. maemosec-certman-common-ca. maemosec-certman-tools. mce. microb-engine-common. microb-engine. openssl. osso-systemui-modechange. status-area-applet-battery. zlib1g. wl1251-cal. maemosec-certman-applet.... | 15:19 |
| jonwil | ...libmaemosec-certman-applet0. connui-conndlgs-wlan. icd2-network-wlan-config amd libicd-network-wlan | 15:19 |
| jonwil | i.e. current CSSU git of those packages | 15:20 |
| jonwil | Some are the same version in CSSU-*, others are newer | 15:20 |
| jonwil | I dont just want to install CSSU | 15:20 |
| jonwil | I will however look at installing current Git of things like hildon-* though | 15:21 |
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| jonwil | At least now I have BM and an easier way to fix my system should I install another faulty clone package :) | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just make backups frequently | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on uSD | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do not compress! it''s unbearable | 15:27 |
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