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| sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, sunday | 19:29 |
| sicelo | hi | 19:29 |
| sicelo | indeed | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems there was some "important" thing? | 19:30 |
| sicelo | #maemo-meetingg .. GA | 19:30 |
| sicelo | you're able to join? | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 19:31 |
| sicelo | thank you very much :) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: ping | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: MC eV GA meeting in #maemo.meeting | 19:48 |
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| blap | ever see the isis flag? | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, few folks doing the sheeps | 21:55 |
| blap | very interesting | 21:57 |
| blap | they like to show the truth in their symbols | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 22:37 |
| blap | people who make scrawly images often want them to refer to ideologies or groups DocScrutinizer05 | 22:41 |
| blap | so it sometimes is useful to study what symbols they choose | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd expect isis to not use *any* pictures at all, since.. a misconception about pictures from their understanding of Quran | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and iirc that flag is mere Arabian writing, with a lot of deco | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | like this, sort of ;-) https://www.ixquick.com/do/search?q=isis+flag&nj=0&cat=pics | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly too much ink in that one: https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4b819495fcfdd9d2c754d832d973b695-c | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<NeKit> is Nokia N900 set up differently then?)) yes, N900 and Neo900 have a properly separated modem | 22:52 |
| NeKit | Droid 4 likely too then, since it's OMAP4 | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it? | 22:53 |
| NeKit | http://elektranox.org/2017/02/0013-droid-4-modem/ | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird, I checked a few days ago what I *thought* was driod4 and gsmarena said sth like "snapdragon 617" | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_4_xt894-4418.php | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | must have been another device I checked, then | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | says omap 4430 | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | maybe there are more than 1 device under droid4 name | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g4-8103.php | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I mixed names | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | launch january 2012 | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's pathetic how gsmarena not even _mentions_ the modem chipset | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also symptomatic of the general ignorance regarding the topic | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | regular joe only knows core quantityt and screen size | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes even cpu clock and ram size | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | but that's considered hacker's knowledge | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they should be more interested in e.g. if their WLAN is a broadcom chipset and thus vulnerable | 23:01 |
| sicelo | what does 'vulnerable' mean .. :-) | 23:02 |
| sicelo | that's the quesiton 'joe' will ask | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.de/2017/04/over-air-exploiting-broadcoms-wi-fi_11.html | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | it means 'you take it in the ass without the soap' | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome how diagram in ^^^ shows a separate "baseband processor" which is _not_ what it regularly looks like today | 23:04 |
| blap | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1ftt8uWPfU Teknojihad | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one core statement >>Well… Until several months prior to this research (mid 2016), the firmware made no effort to filter these frames. Any frame received as part of the data RX-path, regardless of its ethertype, was simply forwarded blindly to the host. As a result, attackers were able to remotely send frames containing the special 0x886C ethertype, which were then processed by the driver as if they were event frames created by the | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | firmware itself!<< | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: in short it means: an atacker can *completely* take over control over your device, via WLAN | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | remotely. | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I mean *completely*, even to or beyond what user could do after rooting their device | 23:26 |
| sicelo | yes. i mean ... average joes don't seem to owrry themselves with all that. all they want is an iphone :-) | 23:27 |
| sicelo | *worry | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, they also want apple's encryption and no-unlock policies | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not only against FBI but also the random hacker attacker | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side, rooting all those smartphones with broadcom WLAN is as simple as hardly ever before, also for user | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and for the rest... PCIe to the rescue X-P | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it a *great* idea when the peripheral can do autonomous DMA? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (j/k) | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Aha! The Wi-Fi chip managed to DMA into the physical address range containing the host’s kernel, without any interference!<< LOL | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Not only does this kind of access not require a single vulnerability [[except control over the WiFi chip's firmware which is given by the original exploit]] , but it is also much more reliable to exploit<< | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Broadcom, the better bootloader/kexec for your android device ;-P | 23:57 |
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