IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2017-10-01

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siceloDocScrutinizer05: ping19:28
DocScrutinizer05oooh, sunday19:29
DocScrutinizer05seems there was some "important" thing?19:30
sicelo #maemo-meetingg .. GA19:30
siceloyou're able to join?19:31
sicelothank you very much :)19:32
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: ping19:48
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: MC eV GA meeting in #maemo.meeting19:48
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blapever see the isis flag?21:54
KotCzarnyyeah, few folks doing the sheeps21:55
blapvery interesting21:57
blapthey like to show the truth in their symbols21:57
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blappeople who make scrawly images often want them to refer to ideologies or groups DocScrutinizer0522:41
blapso it sometimes is useful to study what symbols they choose22:41
DocScrutinizer05I'd expect isis to not use *any* pictures at all, since.. a misconception about pictures from their understanding of Quran22:43
DocScrutinizer05and iirc that flag is mere Arabian writing, with a lot of deco22:44
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DocScrutinizer05like this, sort of ;-)
DocScrutinizer05prolly too much ink in that one:
DocScrutinizer05((<NeKit> is Nokia N900 set up differently then?)) yes, N900 and Neo900 have a properly separated modem22:52
NeKitDroid 4 likely too then, since it's OMAP422:52
DocScrutinizer05is it?22:53
DocScrutinizer05weird, I checked a few days ago what I *thought* was driod4 and gsmarena said sth like "snapdragon 617"22:53
DocScrutinizer05must have been another device I checked, then22:54
KotCzarnysays omap 443022:54
KotCzarnymaybe there are more than 1 device under droid4 name22:55
DocScrutinizer05nah, I mixed names22:55
KotCzarnylaunch january 201222:56
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DocScrutinizer05it's pathetic how gsmarena not even _mentions_ the modem chipset22:58
DocScrutinizer05also symptomatic of the general ignorance regarding the topic22:59
KotCzarnyregular joe only knows core quantityt and screen size23:00
KotCzarnysometimes even cpu clock and ram size23:00
KotCzarnybut that's considered hacker's knowledge23:00
DocScrutinizer05they should be more interested in e.g. if their WLAN is a broadcom chipset and thus vulnerable23:01
sicelowhat does 'vulnerable' mean .. :-)23:02
sicelothat's the quesiton 'joe' will ask23:02
KotCzarnyit means 'you take it in the ass without the soap'23:02
DocScrutinizer05awesome how diagram in ^^^ shows a separate "baseband processor" which is _not_ what it regularly looks like today23:04
blap  Teknojihad23:05
DocScrutinizer05one core statement >>Well… Until several months prior to this research (mid 2016), the firmware made no effort to filter these frames. Any frame received as part of the data RX-path, regardless of its ethertype, was simply forwarded blindly to the host. As a result, attackers were able to remotely send frames containing the special 0x886C ethertype, which were then processed by the driver as if they were event frames created by the23:14
DocScrutinizer05firmware itself!<<23:14
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: in short it means: an atacker can *completely* take over control over your device, via WLAN23:24
DocScrutinizer05and I mean *completely*, even to or beyond what user could do after rooting their device23:26
siceloyes. i mean ... average joes don't seem to owrry themselves with all that. all they want is an iphone  :-)23:27
DocScrutinizer05well, they also want apple's encryption and no-unlock policies23:27
DocScrutinizer05prolly not only against FBI but also the random hacker attacker23:28
DocScrutinizer05on the bright side, rooting all those smartphones with broadcom WLAN is as simple as hardly ever before, also for user23:29
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DocScrutinizer05and for the rest... PCIe to the rescue X-P23:37
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DocScrutinizer05isn't it a *great* idea when the peripheral can do autonomous DMA?23:38
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DocScrutinizer05>>Aha! The Wi-Fi chip managed to DMA into the physical address range containing the host’s kernel, without any interference!<< LOL23:54
DocScrutinizer05>>Not only does this kind of access not require a single vulnerability [[except control over the WiFi chip's firmware which is given by the original exploit]] , but it is also much more reliable to exploit<<23:56
DocScrutinizer05Broadcom, the better bootloader/kexec for your android device ;-P23:57
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