IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2017-09-29

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vahe[m]hi maemo i need ,  maemo_flasher08:47
vahe[m]if there is one for Linux please give08:47
DocScrutinizer05~tell vahe[m] about lazyflashing08:50
vahe[m]DocScrutinizer05 , thanks for the reply, what is it?08:51
DocScrutinizer05all you need08:51
DocScrutinizer05did you notice PM of bot?08:52
vahe[m]DocScrutinizer05 , this super can give me a link to info for download, I would be grateful08:52
vahe[m]I couldn't find08:53
vahe[m]ah yes08:53
vahe[m]may accaunt matrix, not irc08:53
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vahe[m]aha very thanks man DocScrutinizer08:55
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vahe[m]DocScrutinizer05 I have a strange situation , I did re-flash but all time writes that many open programs13:34
vahe[m]maybe firmware is not the same?13:34
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DocScrutinizer05export LANG=C, then pastebin the errormessage and previous commands14:03
DocScrutinizer05on maemo, "LANG=EN_gb"  iirc14:05
sicelomine's eu_US14:05
siceloerr .. en_US14:06
DocScrutinizer05then that14:07
DocScrutinizer05for me LANG=EN_gb works14:09
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DocScrutinizer05LANG=en_GB and LANG=en_US don't work14:10
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DocScrutinizer05weird shit, everything random like LANG=sg_XY df|head -n1 results in english headline. while LANG=en_US df|head -n1 results in GERMAN headline17:01
DocScrutinizer05honestly W*T*F?!
DocScrutinizer05sth it *terribly* broken there17:07
Langoorhmm i've been playing a little with my sad n90017:07
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Langoorsorry for asking again, but are there mirrors of the (now down) nokia repo's17:08
LangoorNVM found them :^)17:08
infobotlazyflashing is probably
* DocScrutinizer05 scratches head17:12
blapis n900 armv7l ?17:16
blapcould a smart person make sdl maemo apps run on sfos without recompiling?17:16
DocScrutinizer05not sure about the trailing l17:16
blapor openpandora17:16
blapapps17:17 uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on September 29, 2017, 2:00 PM. The current time is September 29, 2017, 4:23 PM17:23
blapdo you intend to open-source oscp someday KotCzarny ?17:26
KotCzarnyonce i clean it up and find the time to upload it to github17:26
blapi made a useful gimp plugin that i can't really publish because too embarassing17:27
blapso i understand17:27
KotCzarnyalso, there is already source available with the arch package17:28
blapyou should get a droid 4 with sailfish!17:28
KotCzarnysomehow qt scares me17:29
KotCzarnygtk is nice and cosy17:29
blaphas terminal17:29
blapi don't know any qt17:29
blapan oscp that has a clickable app icon that opens a terminal would be fine17:30
DocScrutinizer05and maybe a swimming pool?17:30
KotCzarnywell, you can run the binary from maemo then17:30
KotCzarnyunless you need alsa build17:30
KotCzarnybut i think sailfish uses pulse?17:30
Langoorisn't the sailfish ui propietary?17:31
LangoorI'll also have a droid 4 soon17:32
blapis no problem to make sfos apps17:32
DocScrutinizer05it's no problem to make iOS apps17:32
blapso is no problem17:33
DocScrutinizer05a phone OS where it's a problem to make apps is still born17:33
blapwait, what is the problem to make apps using sfos ui17:33
DocScrutinizer05blap: I guess the take of most maemo users on FOSS is different17:34
DocScrutinizer05and sailfish not only has proprietary roof but also usually has blob basement called Android RIL17:36
blapso this is driven by their goal of running on multiple phone platforms, unlike nokia which could make their own HAL?17:38
blapThere is no standard for the HAL modem software interface implement and a proprietary command set is typically needed to use the full functionality of the modem. "17:41
DocScrutinizer05that's true but no excuse17:44
blapOn Pyra, WizardStan writes: "The radio is just a TTY and USB audio device. Send AT commands to the TTY to start a call (or get data, or whatever) an open the microphone/speaker on the audio device to send and receive audio"17:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, and that IS a standard17:44
DocScrutinizer05and it's exactly what Neo900 uses too17:45
blapso talking to the usb device bypasses android blob?17:45
DocScrutinizer05android hardware has no USB17:46
blaprather to tty17:46
blapwould it be easy to bypass the blob to make ofono talk to the radio?17:47
DocScrutinizer05that is incorrect: Pyra has a USB-tty for AT commands and a normal PCM audio17:47
DocScrutinizer05 (p.16: RIL) to p.23 (Neo900 unique)17:50
DocScrutinizer05pyra looks like p.1717:50
DocScrutinizer05or maybe p.2117:51
DocScrutinizer05so the answer to your question is: no, RIL is a mandatory part of modem firmware stack and there's no way to bypass it17:53
DocScrutinizer05on sailfish phone the "RIL" and modem firmware is the Dom0 aka virtualization host and all "linux" basically runs in a VM under it17:56
blapthis is new to me.  why is that so?17:58
DocScrutinizer05which is the reason why Saifish incmustn't even publish firmware images so users could unbrick/recover their phones - the Inc isn't holding any rights in the "RIL" and modem stack and thus can't offer the image to general public17:58
DocScrutinizer05this is so because modem firmware and linux share CPU and RAM17:59
blapi would prefer a standard spec'd at-command set and no shared memory18:00
blapmy old US robotics external modem didn't have access to my system either18:00
DocScrutinizer05and since you legally mustn't allow linux to have control over internals of modem, it's modem that has to be master over linux since on this hw architecture you can't separate them sufficiently so none would be master of the other. One *jas* to be master and that's modem by legal requirements18:00
blapthat is depressing18:01
DocScrutinizer05for cost and size optimization rationale, (almost) all recent smartphones integrate modem and Application Processor Environment into one SoC that shares CPUs and RAM18:08
blapit's not plausible to me that phone mfgrs design such bad security by accident18:09
DocScrutinizer05downside of this is that you can't do anything about ASN.1 bug and similar attack vectors, due to the mere hw architecture18:10
blapthank you for sharing your knowledge18:13
DocScrutinizer05you're very welcome18:13
DocScrutinizer05faintly on topic:
DocScrutinizer05it's the sequel to the broadcom exploit of a few weeks ago18:38
DocScrutinizer05 this one18:39
DocScrutinizer05then we also had - interesting times indeed18:40
blapi saw an offline laptop get windows updates in 201218:42
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NeKit<DocScrutinizer05> on sailfish phone the "RIL" and modem firmware is the Dom0 aka virtualization host and all "linux" basically runs in a VM under it20:37
NeKitI'm not sure about what kind of control modem has on OS/device, but RIL itself is not virtualized20:38
NeKitit's a daemon talking to modem20:38
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