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| vahe[m] | hi maemo i need , maemo_flasher | 08:47 |
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| vahe[m] | if there is one for Linux please give | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell vahe[m] about lazyflashing | 08:50 |
| vahe[m] | lazyflashing? | 08:50 |
| vahe[m] | DocScrutinizer05 , thanks for the reply, what is it? | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all you need | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you notice PM of bot? | 08:52 |
| vahe[m] | DocScrutinizer05 , this super can give me a link to info for download, I would be grateful | 08:52 |
| vahe[m] | I couldn't find | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 08:53 |
| infobot | [lazyflashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 08:53 |
| vahe[m] | ah yes | 08:53 |
| vahe[m] | may accaunt matrix, not irc | 08:53 |
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| vahe[m] | aha very thanks man DocScrutinizer | 08:55 |
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| kann | ~help | 10:15 |
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| vahe[m] | DocScrutinizer05 I have a strange situation , I did re-flash but all time writes that many open programs | 13:34 |
| vahe[m] | maybe firmware is not the same? | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | export LANG=C, then pastebin the errormessage and previous commands | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo, "LANG=EN_gb" iirc | 14:05 |
| sicelo | mine's eu_US | 14:05 |
| sicelo | err .. en_US | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then that | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me LANG=EN_gb works | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LANG=en_GB and LANG=en_US don't work | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | weird shit, everything random like LANG=sg_XY df|head -n1 results in english headline. while LANG=en_US df|head -n1 results in GERMAN headline | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly W*T*F?! http://paste.opensuse.org/42160490 | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth it *terribly* broken there | 17:07 |
| Langoor | hmm i've been playing a little with my sad n900 | 17:07 |
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| Langoor | sorry for asking again, but are there mirrors of the (now down) nokia repo's | 17:08 |
| Langoor | NVM found them :^) | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gawd | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 17:09 |
| infobot | lazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/11957094 | 17:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 scratches head | 17:12 | |
| blap | is n900 armv7l ? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:16 |
| blap | could a smart person make sdl maemo apps run on sfos without recompiling? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about the trailing l | 17:16 |
| blap | or openpandora | 17:16 |
| blap | apps | 17:17 |
| KotCzarny | secure.paypal.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on September 29, 2017, 2:00 PM. The current time is September 29, 2017, 4:23 PM | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 17:23 |
| blap | >_< | 17:24 |
| blap | do you intend to open-source oscp someday KotCzarny ? | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | once i clean it up and find the time to upload it to github | 17:26 |
| blap | i made a useful gimp plugin that i can't really publish because too embarassing | 17:27 |
| blap | so i understand | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | also, there is already source available with the arch package | 17:28 |
| blap | you should get a droid 4 with sailfish! | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | somehow qt scares me | 17:29 |
| KotCzarny | gtk is nice and cosy | 17:29 |
| blap | has terminal | 17:29 |
| KotCzarny | *cozy | 17:29 |
| blap | i don't know any qt | 17:29 |
| blap | an oscp that has a clickable app icon that opens a terminal would be fine | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT?? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe a swimming pool? | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | well, you can run the binary from maemo then | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | unless you need alsa build | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | but i think sailfish uses pulse? | 17:30 |
| Langoor | isn't the sailfish ui propietary? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:31 |
| Langoor | sad | 17:31 |
| Langoor | I'll also have a droid 4 soon | 17:32 |
| Langoor | :x | 17:32 |
| blap | is no problem to make sfos apps | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's no problem to make iOS apps | 17:32 |
| blap | so is no problem | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a phone OS where it's a problem to make apps is still born | 17:33 |
| blap | wait, what is the problem to make apps using sfos ui | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blap: I guess the take of most maemo users on FOSS is different | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and sailfish not only has proprietary roof but also usually has blob basement called Android RIL | 17:36 |
| blap | oh | 17:36 |
| blap | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Cellular_Telephony_Architecture | 17:37 |
| blap | so this is driven by their goal of running on multiple phone platforms, unlike nokia which could make their own HAL? | 17:38 |
| blap | " | 17:41 |
| blap | There is no standard for the HAL modem software interface implement and a proprietary command set is typically needed to use the full functionality of the modem. " | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's true but no excuse | 17:44 |
| blap | On Pyra, WizardStan writes: "The radio is just a TTY and USB audio device. Send AT commands to the TTY to start a call (or get data, or whatever) an open the microphone/speaker on the audio device to send and receive audio" | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and that IS a standard | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3GPP | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's exactly what Neo900 uses too | 17:45 |
| blap | so talking to the usb device bypasses android blob? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | android hardware has no USB | 17:46 |
| blap | oh | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regularly | 17:46 |
| blap | rather to tty | 17:46 |
| blap | would it be easy to bypass the blob to make ofono talk to the radio? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that is incorrect: Pyra has a USB-tty for AT commands and a normal PCM audio | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf#15 (p.16: RIL) to p.23 (Neo900 unique) | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pyra looks like p.17 | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe p.21 | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the answer to your question is: no, RIL is a mandatory part of modem firmware stack and there's no way to bypass it | 17:53 |
| blap | ok | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on sailfish phone the "RIL" and modem firmware is the Dom0 aka virtualization host and all "linux" basically runs in a VM under it | 17:56 |
| blap | this is new to me. why is that so? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is the reason why Saifish incmustn't even publish firmware images so users could unbrick/recover their phones - the Inc isn't holding any rights in the "RIL" and modem stack and thus can't offer the image to general public | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is so because modem firmware and linux share CPU and RAM | 17:59 |
| blap | i would prefer a standard spec'd at-command set and no shared memory | 18:00 |
| blap | my old US robotics external modem didn't have access to my system either | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since you legally mustn't allow linux to have control over internals of modem, it's modem that has to be master over linux since on this hw architecture you can't separate them sufficiently so none would be master of the other. One *jas* to be master and that's modem by legal requirements | 18:00 |
| blap | that is depressing | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/jas/has | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | result: http://neo900.org/news/about-the-asn1-vulnerability | 18:02 |
| blap | ah | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for cost and size optimization rationale, (almost) all recent smartphones integrate modem and Application Processor Environment into one SoC that shares CPUs and RAM | 18:08 |
| blap | it's not plausible to me that phone mfgrs design such bad security by accident | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | downside of this is that you can't do anything about ASN.1 bug and similar attack vectors, due to the mere hw architecture | 18:10 |
| blap | thank you for sharing your knowledge | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're very welcome | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | faintly on topic: http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2017/09/over-air-vol-2-pt-1-exploiting-wi-fi.html | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the sequel to the broadcom exploit of a few weeks ago | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.de/2017/04/over-air-exploiting-broadcoms-wi-fi_11.html this one | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then we also had https://www.armis.com/blueborne/ - interesting times indeed | 18:40 |
| blap | i saw an offline laptop get windows updates in 2012 | 18:42 |
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| NeKit | <DocScrutinizer05> on sailfish phone the "RIL" and modem firmware is the Dom0 aka virtualization host and all "linux" basically runs in a VM under it | 20:37 |
| NeKit | I'm not sure about what kind of control modem has on OS/device, but RIL itself is not virtualized | 20:38 |
| NeKit | it's a daemon talking to modem | 20:38 |
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