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| jonwil | Should I be worried about this big bluetooth flaw affecting my N900? Or is keeping bluetooth turned off (which I do since I dont have any Bluetooth devices) sufficient to protect myself? | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | keeping it off should be enough | 14:08 |
| jonwil | Good. | 14:10 |
| jonwil | At least on the N900 all the relavent bits of code (Bluez, kernel etc etc) are 100% open and can be patched. | 14:11 |
| jonwil | Unlike many devices that can't be fixed except by the OEM | 14:11 |
| jonwil | At least I believe all the bluetooth bits on the N900 are open source... | 14:11 |
| jonwil | Actually some of the UI widgets (bluetooth status bar widget etc) are closed and haven't been cloned yet but I dont think that matters for this issue | 14:12 |
| bencoh | jonwil: our kernel is too old | 14:39 |
| bencoh | the vulnerable code didn't even exist at the time iirc | 14:39 |
| jonwil | Ok that's good. | 14:40 |
| bencoh | you probably have to worry anyway, but not because of that specific vuln :) | 14:40 |
| bencoh | actually there's also a userspace vulnerability, and I haven't checked when it was introduced to the bluez userspace layer | 14:40 |
| jonwil | I have bluetooth off so any bluez bugs wont be a problem I guess | 14:40 |
| bencoh | indeed | 14:41 |
| jonwil | If it does turn out our bluez is vulnerable, putting a fix into CSSU would probably be a good idea... | 14:42 |
| jonwil | I feel sorry for all those people with crApple and Android devices that will never see a fix for this issue and never can because the blobs involved are closed source | 14:43 |
| Wizzup | if they have such a device they probably do not care | 14:45 |
| dmth|intevation | or my car's hifi system -.- | 14:49 |
| bencoh | that one probably has a different implementation | 14:49 |
| bencoh | (based on some RTOS system) | 14:50 |
| dmth|intevation | maybe, maybe not. Let's hope it is. | 14:50 |
| bencoh | and I'm quite certain it has its lot of vulns :p | 14:50 |
| dmth|intevation | Me too | 14:51 |
| jonwil | I dont have a car so that's not a problem for me :P | 14:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I believe from backscroll, bluez is vulnerable but RCE vulnerability is only >=3.3-rc1. | 14:56 |
| Wizzup | love how it hits 3.4, which is the basically *the* android kernel ;) | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | you can use bluez 5.37 from backports on 3.x | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | though you need bsp ofc | 14:58 |
| freemangordon_ | My bmw's entertainment system is based on linux and iirc the kernel is something 3.x | 14:58 |
| freemangordon_ | I guess I should ask the dealer for an upgrade | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | without the sources you cant do anything other than turning it off ;) | 14:59 |
| freemangordon_ | sure I can - pester the dealer :) | 14:59 |
| freemangordon_ | or check for an update on BMW site | 14:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | good luck with that, I'd be surprised if they have heard of it. | 15:01 |
| freemangordon_ | they will :) | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 15:04 |
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| jonwil | What I dont get is why so many companies (companies that will rigorously enforce their copyrights when someone else is violating them) continue to use open source software and not comply with the license. Its not like publishing the source code to this stuff is difficult (and if it is, you are doing something wrong in your development processes) | 15:11 |
| freemangordon_ | well, at least BMW has GPL2 in the menus and you can request the code | 15:12 |
| jonwil | That's a good thing then. | 15:12 |
| freemangordon_ | not that you can use it, as there is no way to sign the update, but still | 15:12 |
| jonwil | Not that I would ever buy or drive a BMW (for all sorts of reasons) but its good to know they are at least publishing the code. | 15:15 |
| jonwil | I just wish the right people (e.g. kernel devs) would put more pressure on those vendors that aren't following the license and aren't publishing the code they are required to publish (especially repeat offenders who do it again and again) | 15:17 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: you pinged me the other day | 18:21 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | freemangordon BMW is Linux-based? Good to know. Do you have any readings about that to suggest me? | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | bt bug affects ALL systems | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | windoze and mac too | 22:04 |
| freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: only the entertainment system | 22:04 |
| freemangordon | what kind of readings? | 22:05 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Oh yes, I understood that. | 22:05 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I mean some introduction about how that system works and what one may do to tweak it a bit so to enable, e.g., screen mirroring from smartphones. | 22:05 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I have looked around and that is indeed doable, but the companies who sell that tweak are a bit... let's say... expensive. | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: hmm, my is in guarantee, and it does its job pretty much ok, so I am not plying with it. BMW repairs are not exactly cheap ;) | 22:07 |
| freemangordon | *mine | 22:07 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Mine is no more guaranteed. Indeed I am thinking about looking for some tweak on the engine mapping too, but for that I need somebody with experience in order to avoid ruining the engine itself with too much stress. The entertainment system may be "extended" by buying some 3rd party extensions, and as far as I understand, they're mostly tricks to unlock features which are actually already embedded in BMW's system | 22:09 |
| Enrico_Menotti | (although hidden by default). | 22:09 |
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| freemangordon | afaik I have everything unlocked | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | a2dp, office, voice, ... | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | not to say I am not the type of guy who likes his car to be turned into a tablet :) | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | I need power and stability, not fancy graphics | 22:13 |
| Enrico_Menotti | :) | 22:15 |
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| blap | echo "Create ncurses based phone ui" >> ~/projectlist.txt | 23:11 |
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| sicelo | blap: why not join the fptf instead, and keep hildon/maemo relevant :-) | 23:27 |
| blap | what is fptf? | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | ~fptf | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | bot down. again | 23:31 |
| blap | faster payments task force? food protection task force? | 23:31 |
| sicelo | Fremantle Porting Task Force | 23:34 |
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