| kalin | can someone help me to setting up pyOBD? | 00:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | I imagine you are having repo issues? I have never had an issue with pyOBD. | 00:02 |
| kalin | no, it isn't a repo issue | 00:03 |
| kalin | i think it is a side effect of instaling audacious | 00:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | well what happens if you start pyOBD from a terminal? Is audacious python? | 00:04 |
| kalin | no no no | 00:05 |
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| kalin | when i install audacios the phone had a broken/missing packages | 00:06 |
| kalin | this is a second time that i have to reflash the phone after audacious | 00:06 |
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| kalin | so now i have fresh flashed n900 with only pyOBD installed | 00:07 |
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| kalin | and when i try to start pyOBD the phone loading something few seconds and close the app | 00:09 |
| sicelo | 23:04 < sixwheeledbeast^> well what happens if you start pyOBD from a terminal? | 00:09 |
| sicelo | ^ | 00:09 |
| kalin | whait a second to try | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~audacious | 00:10 |
| kalin | did i have to be root? | 00:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | er I would hope not | 00:11 |
| kalin | the terminal says not found | 00:12 |
| sicelo | root's needed to establishh the rfcomm connection .. butt iiirc it calls sudo for that .. also haven't used it in a hwile | 00:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | python /opt/pyobd/pyobd.py | 00:14 |
| kalin | "No module named dbus" | 00:16 |
| sicelo | how did you install pyobd ... | 00:17 |
| sicelo | because python-dbus *is* a dependency .. so install that | 00:18 |
| kalin | App manager | 00:18 |
| jamesl | ~flasher | 00:18 |
| infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 00:18 |
| jamesl | ~emmc | 00:19 |
| infobot | emmc is probably is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2 | 00:19 |
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| kalin | thanks sicelo , i will try today because first i have to install rootshell to use apt-get and add repo mirror | 00:22 |
| kalin | now i will go to get some sleep | 00:22 |
| kalin | GN to all | 00:22 |
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| ff_ | sicelo: try load CPU to 100% and then check internet connection | 00:28 |
| ff_ | accidently I found that this matter | 00:28 |
| ff_ | accidently I found that this matter | 00:29 |
| ff_ | when I download through wifi with 100% load CPU by for example encoding audio, average speed is about 96% of max available | 00:29 |
| ff_ | but when nothing use CPU, download average speed decrease to about 65% of max available | 00:30 |
| ff_ | maybe the same effect is with 2G/3G GSM internet connection | 00:30 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | Er so there is an issue with repos or broken packages of some sort | 00:34 |
| ff_ | it's look like CPU's sleep timer introduce quite a lot delay into connection response | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that might make sense. Though probably because of packet / timer aggregating that's done in maemo to keep CPU in suspend mode as much as possible, and only do pending jobs (timer, IO) on bursts every now and then | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to avoid this, probably you don't need 100% load on CPU, what you need is frequent forced wakeups so the IO can get done, while sleep 0.02; do :; done | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply slide with your fingernail over the screen in a circular or other constant movement and see if IO speeds up during that. Touch controller will produce IRQs plenty | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: ^^^ | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: I thik that's the right direction | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lf | 01:39 |
| infobot | i guess #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 01:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | busybox sleep is only whole numbers? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sucks | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 01:42 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it might have msleep or usleep | 01:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | in fact busybox sleep has no arguments I recall. just full numbers | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't know | 01:42 |
| Juesto | busybox is just a swiss army knife unix utils | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sucks, it has neither msleep not usleep | 01:43 |
| Juesto | it is intended for embedded devices | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jiemy take on busybox you see above | 01:43 |
| Juesto | go compare the size of a bunch of unix utils to busybox binary with the same utils | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who cares? | 01:44 |
| Juesto | :/ | 01:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | er yes, the issue is our little devices are useful to have some better functionality than other embedded devices. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I installed quite a bunch of gnu utils plus mandb and still no problems with free space on / | 01:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | bash4 has an opt version I believe | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the major advantage of busybox is: it's a single monolithic binary, so the system doesn't need to load it again for 99% of scripts written for it | 01:47 |
| Juesto | yep | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically an interpreter of its own, for scripts | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is mainly a performance advantage | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus buybox is nice for lean scripting, like e.g. by using it instead of init | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or to run init scripts | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, messybox is pathetic, do e.g a `ps --help` | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know there's a pimped version that has more compile options for functions | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it still stays sub-par compared to proper unix toolbox | 01:51 |
| Juesto | o.o | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when it comes to cmds_of(8) | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice is borked, su is borked and can't ever get fixed | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I ranted so many times about that thing I get bored doing it | 01:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | I wonder if you could replace it for the latest version. Seen as Maemo is 1.10.2 and the latest is 1.27.1 | 01:56 |
| Juesto | probably if you compile from good sources sixwheeledbeast^ | 01:57 |
| Wizzup | $ busybox sleep --help | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | BusyBox v1.25.1 (2017-01-25 13:22:31 CET) multi-call binary. | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | Usage: sleep [N]... | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | Pause for a time equal to the total of the args given, where each arg can | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | have an optional suffix of (s)econds, (m)inutes, (h)ours, or (d)ays | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | $ time busybox sleep 0.1s | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | real0m0.105s | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | user0m0.001s | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | sys0m0.005s | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | further questions? | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | Being stuck forever on an old version of software doesn't make it crap nor messy. It just illustrates how important a healthy ecosystem is, where packages are kept up to date | 02:00 |
| Juesto | :p | 02:00 |
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| Wizzup | busybox is one of the best things out there | 02:01 |
| Wizzup | And you can easily build a whole distro with/around it - see alpine linux | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# time busybox sleep 0.1s | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sleep: invalid number '0.1s' | 02:02 |
| Wizzup | >software that is 7 years old | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | budybox is a monolithic binary that does multiple things and none of them correctly. Just like systemd ;-) | 02:04 |
| Wizzup | This is the most retarded thing I've read today | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great :-P | 02:05 |
| Wizzup | busybox is the exact opposite of systemd, it's lean, minimal, clean. And as I said, you can build an entire distro with decent init system with it. | 02:05 |
| Wizzup | alpine linux is really just openrc+busybox+apk (their package tool) | 02:05 |
| Wizzup | it's amazingly fast and lean | 02:05 |
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| Wizzup | their networking scripts are at least as decent as debian ones | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a bag of bugs | 02:06 |
| Wizzup | smh | 02:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | So if busybox can be updated it should be done via CSSU? Seen as it's a system package in the SSU repo | 02:09 |
| Wizzup | maybe, but I'm not sure what you'd gain. | 02:10 |
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| Wizzup | You'd have to check if it still supports such old kernels (likely) | 02:10 |
| Wizzup | can probably compile it statically, too | 02:10 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | well sleep to decimal places for starters. I assumed you ran the above on an N900? | 02:11 |
| Wizzup | in fact, I have a armv7 static busybox here on my laptop | 02:11 |
| Wizzup | I will scp it to my n900 and see | 02:11 |
| Wizzup | oh, it's a PIE | 02:12 |
| Wizzup | doubt the n900 can handle PIE :p | 02:12 |
| Wizzup | the n900 kernel* | 02:12 |
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| Wizzup | herp. | 02:13 |
| Wizzup | I copied the powerpc binary. | 02:13 |
| Wizzup | go me. | 02:13 |
| Wizzup | Nokia-N900:~# ./bb --help | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | FATAL: kernel too old | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | Segmentation fault | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | boom | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | toldya | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | software needs to stay in sync ;) | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: please sonsider that all scripts are tested against exactly this version of busybox with all its bugs | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a busybox-power which everybody interested can install instead or on top of the system busybox | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | users rendered their system fcked up simply by defining bash instead busybox as user user's default shell | 02:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | The latest version has allsorts of extra utils as standard. There's also a size question too. | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that when you use busybox with anything not-busybox as shell, the binaries your system needs to load for each command are way larger than what they would be in genuine decent unix toolbox? Since each time the multi-purpose huge busybox binary needs to get loaded and started when your shell calls $whatever in stat, ls, dir, date, `busybox --help` | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just might mention that e.g. jolla/mer decided against busybox and for a 'normal' sheel afaik, after long pondering | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shell* plus gnu utils | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25166165 | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and http://paste.ubuntu.com/25166208 | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw it seems like for N900, busybox-power as system shell actually reduces availble free space on /, vs busybox('normal') and gnu utils on opt | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reason: system shell can't live on /opt. And busybox-power of course is larger than busybox-'normal' | 03:04 |
| Wizzup | 'huge busybox binary needs to get loaded' sounds kind of weird | 03:06 |
| Wizzup | It usually lives in the cache | 03:06 |
| Wizzup | and linux also doesn't need to load the whole binary either | 03:13 |
| Wizzup | that's usually loaded on demand | 03:14 |
| Wizzup | so I'm not sure how much that really matters. | 03:14 |
| Wizzup | #justtechnicalthings | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to embarrass myself by answering with a quote | 03:29 |
| Juesto | its difficult to find a n900 nowdays | 03:33 |
| Juesto | derp | 03:33 |
| Juesto | how does busybox behaves on something like Mach | 03:34 |
| Juesto | or BSD? | 03:34 |
| Wizzup | busybox is for linux | 03:36 |
| Wizzup | actually, I am not sure about that | 03:36 |
| Wizzup | I know BSD was working on their own - http://landley.net/code/toybox/ | 03:37 |
| Wizzup | https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/busybox/ | 03:37 |
| Wizzup | there's your answer | 03:37 |
| Wizzup | the same as on most posix compliant OSes I guess | 03:37 |
| Juesto | hm | 03:40 |
| Wizzup | almost 3am. | 03:43 |
| Wizzup | ttyl | 03:43 |
| Oksana | Like Nokia N900, but without keyboard and FM transmitter, apparently. http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_s8500_wave-3146.php Also, capacitive touchscreen, not resistive. Similar processor, same 800x480 display resolution. | 03:52 |
| Oksana | Possible to change OS on it: https://www.sammobile.com/2012/06/26/android-port-for-the-samsung-wave-gt-s8500/ | 03:53 |
| * Oksana wonders whether it would be a nice porting target for Maemo 5... But let's check first if the Android port managed to get cellular to work. | 03:55 | |
| Wizzup | why not droid4? | 03:55 |
| Oksana | Either I am very poor at search, or something, because I cannot find droid 4 on EBay | 03:59 |
| Oksana | Or Gumtree | 03:59 |
| Oksana | At the same time, https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bonbeach/other-phones/samsung-wave-gt-s-8500-mobile-phone/1153376589 | 03:59 |
| Wizzup | motorola droid 4 | 04:01 |
| Oksana | Yes, I searched for motorola droid 4. Nice article in Wikipedia... | 04:02 |
| Wizzup | i got 4 from ebay, arriving tomorrow | 04:04 |
| Oksana | Nice :-) | 04:12 |
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| buZz | dangit, knew i forgot something when i arrived home >_< | 11:19 |
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| dreamer | which is .. | 11:26 |
| buZz | checking those AT commands for docscrut | 11:31 |
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| dreamer | ah .. 'those' .. | 11:32 |
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