| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly best to have a forward 302, will even re-educate google afaik | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I realy wonder what I had on my mind when I created those .install | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install aka recommended.install looks halfway decent, right. But what the heck is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/Nokia_Apps_-_mirror_maemo.muarf.org.install - looks borkd ( [install] ! instead [catalogs] ) | 00:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 is so lazy, can't get around to test both versions to see which works | 00:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gmmmmm http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freakin bot! | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I slightly updated stuff on ~jrrepos | 00:28 |
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| sicelo | pyobd is for communicating with your car via obd to see engine fault codes and clear them | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) | 00:54 |
| sicelo | also can fo live capture of many sensors .. although thus is dlow in pyobd n900. i found obdgpslogger to be much better on n900 for that. | 00:55 |
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| mike727 | Help... I'm worried that I might of bricked my N9. #harmattan | 02:11 |
| mike727 | I was on Australia firmware (with CMT using 003) & telephony was not working. I tried "--erase...." flash with 005 & it failed. https://pastebin.com/Lg1f3GkT | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly why I lost all interest in N9 | 02:17 |
| mike727 | James T. Kirk: Give it too me straight. Is she dead? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Idunno Jim, possibly yes | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though a Nokia repair shop - so you find one - might still be able to downgrade-flash it | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also there might be hacks invented by community to cope with this situation. I might have missed those since... like I said I lost all interest in HARM / N9 because of that design | 02:24 |
| mike727 | Okay, will have to be patient and see. Still looking at the bright side, just won an auction for a n900 with otterbox at a nice price :D | 02:24 |
| mike727 | thanks | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otjers in here might be more savvy with HARM | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so linger on, repeat question every 12h or somesuch | 02:25 |
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| Sicelo009N | so from what i understood from freemangordon's explanantion, iphbd is responsible for queuing data for transmission via network. is it possible to tweak/adjust its parameters, e.g. how often it sends? | 11:53 |
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| Sicelo009N | DocScrutinizer51: perhaps you could change /topic in connection with voting :-) | 11:55 |
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| Sicelo009N | another unexpected reboot ... swap on uSD not helping | 12:32 |
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| Sicelo009N | if i didn't love the N900 so much, I'd trash it | 12:37 |
| Sicelo009N | uninstalled cvm/phoneme now (although i've had it before with no issues) | 12:39 |
| Wizzup | I use my N900 mostly for calls/sms, casual browsing and (mostly!) xterm+ssh | 12:40 |
| Wizzup | Sometimes I use recaller | 12:40 |
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| Sicelo009N | for me it's everything :-) | 12:41 |
| mike727 | can you do load speaker with recaller? When I try, I have an echo. I guess it doesn't do sound cancelation like how the phone prevent's feedback during a call. | 12:43 |
| L29Ah | buy a few n900s and switch them when they break | 12:45 |
| mike727 | The n900 was my first phone, had it for 2 years. For me, it's a hassle to install programs, but I still love it. I was stunned when I first figured out FMTX, so awesome. | 12:45 |
| mike727 | Number 4 is on the way | 12:46 |
| Sicelo009N | L29Ah: unfortunately can't find any this side :-( | 12:46 |
| L29Ah | ebay? | 12:47 |
| mike727 | Yes, was unexpected; no one else had bid. I laughed a few months ago seeing one going up so high with the bidding frenzy. Still worth every penny. | 12:49 |
| mike727 | I'm guessing people had a break from ebay after the site-wide 20% off. So there was less people to find it. | 12:51 |
| mike727 | *155 off promotion | 12:54 |
| mike727 | **15% | 12:55 |
| Wizzup | Sicelo009N: well, I usually have a laptop with me... :) | 12:56 |
| Sicelo009N | :-) | 12:57 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet" | 12:57 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mike727: revcaller works great for me, since years and 1000s of calls | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recaller even | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only nasty thing: it breaks completely when storage full | 13:01 |
| mike727 | On "load speaker" ? | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | settings are a tad tricky | 13:01 |
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| Sicelo009N | i also remember it evidently had a memleak of sorts .. | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does it? | 13:02 |
| mike727 | I need some initiative to learn :) | 13:02 |
| Sicelo009N | i remember mention of that. iirc even the dev decided to produce orecchiette instead. i could be mistaken .. it's a while a go | 13:03 |
| Sicelo009N | *ago | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I remember I had some unexpected results from "source" setting | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wellllllll, recaller is a hildon desktop applet, seems they *all* memleaked at time | 13:05 |
| Sicelo009N | true :-) | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of the worst design decisions in maemo5: desktop applets all being one process | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mike727: you got CSSU? | 13:07 |
| mike727 | Currently, I'n not sure. I think I installed it before on one of them. | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should get CSSU! | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it fixes a *lot* of issues, like the memleaks Sicelo009N mentioned | 13:10 |
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| mike727 | Yes, of course. Thank you. Some people need to be told to step out of the fire. | 13:11 |
| mike727 | lol\ | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo009N: btw you ever used saera? I installed it just recently and was amazed how flawlessly it installed | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course of the T2S | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | had no chance yet to really test it | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's using pocketsphinx, incredible | 13:20 |
| Wizzup | Works on maemo? | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems so | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess pocketsphinx must have evolved into another galaxy since then | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *maybe* the old pocketsphinx is even better suited for N900 | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recent versions might need octocore ;-P | 13:22 |
| Wizzup | not sure what I'd use it for, but fun | 13:23 |
| Wizzup | wonder how much battery it eats | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that been actually a little... suspicious | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though afaik it needs activation via buttonpress | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't listen all the time | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about that though | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it been smarter back when ("AI") than alexa is today X-P | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and YOU control the AI | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | completely | 13:26 |
| Wizzup | yeah, I just have no use for it | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike friggin alexa and friends | 13:26 |
| Wizzup | what I mostly just need is an easy way to record some thoughts or ideas I have (audio rec), and then be able to sort them in a simple manner | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, making calls while driving scooter was a start for example | 13:27 |
| ceene | grepping voice and real life conversations :) | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think saera and mappero/whatever should get beaten into shape to be on par with damn android google "Drive" | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | say destination, get voice directions | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | say contact names to make a call | 13:30 |
| Wizzup | I don't think that's easy | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #1 for sure not, except for a few well known destinations | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you (err pocketsphinx) wouldn't know how to spell the street names correctly | 13:31 |
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| Wizzup | do you know a current drive app helper that works? | 13:34 |
| Wizzup | I haven't really found any that can actually calculate routes, and def. not with up to dat emaps | 13:35 |
| Wizzup | I mostly just rely on gps | 13:35 |
| Wizzup | either with maep or cloudgps | 13:35 |
| Wizzup | [one of them always crashes when searching for placs] | 13:35 |
| Wizzup | places | 13:35 |
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| mike727 | modRama is still actively being developed. No offline routing yet. | 13:41 |
| mike727 | *modRana | 13:42 |
| Wizzup | ah that seems pretty active yeah | 13:44 |
| mike727 | The menus a bit confusing to me, too many options. | 13:47 |
| mike727 | *are | 13:47 |
| mike727 | Any N9 folk here? : Zerorize flash failed (due to downgrade). Phone refuses to attempt flash (basic & Zerorize). The flasher does Identify the phone (bootloader good?). Should I reboot or Cold flash? | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | nope. they are on #harmattan | 13:53 |
| mike727 | yep, sorry. Seems like only tumble weeds there. | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | figures. ;) | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | maemo ftw! | 13:54 |
| mike727 | If I get it working, will give it to my little sister, when see says all the other kids at school have phones. It's nice in white. | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | kids shouldnt have phones till 12-14yo | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | it breakes their social skills learning | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | which is sad and changes the future world to the worse one | 13:59 |
| mike727 | certainly. Got my first phone at 20, 2 years ago. Did feel a bit left out during high school. | 14:00 |
| mike727 | It's crazy seeing school kids who have evidently beat there parents into buying them the latest iphone | 14:01 |
| Sicelo009N | DocScrutinizer05: re-saera - no. although i did read the specs and it seems awesome | 14:02 |
| mike727 | One parent I talked to who has kids ~10yrs old, said she has too, becase all the other parents buy it for their kids. | 14:03 |
| Sicelo009N | mike727: for me Ovi Maps works awesome | 14:06 |
| mike727 | offline routing ? Awhile back, it didn't want to follow my location. | 14:08 |
| mike727 | Sicelo009N: original stock? | 14:10 |
| Sicelo009N | yes | 14:12 |
| Sicelo009N | only think stock can't do is offline search. offline routing works ootb. then of course, main other problem is updated map tiles | 14:13 |
| Sicelo009N | *thing | 14:14 |
| mike727 | offline routing is made to work by 'out of the box' ? Meaning CSSU ? | 14:16 |
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| Sicelo009N | even in non-ccsu :) | 14:17 |
| Sicelo009N | just you don't easily notice due to ovi maps requesting connection as sson as it launches | 14:18 |
| mike727 | is there a difference between 'stock' & 'ootb' ? | 14:19 |
| Sicelo009N | no | 14:19 |
| Sicelo009N | sorry for confusing .. in simpler terms - the Ovi Maps already on your N900 is able to do offline routing. you don't need to do anything special to achieve that | 14:20 |
| mike727 | thanks will have to give it a go. :) | 14:21 |
| Sicelo009N | problem will be the outdated maps if your area changes fast. where i am - they are still at leat 95% correct | 14:23 |
| mike727 | For map updates did you need to change a setting, something like: supl.nokia.com ? | 14:25 |
| Sicelo009N | that is not realted to any maps application. that's system-wide gps setting used for all location-aware applications. supl.nokia.com will only work if you have the latest certificate-related packages (see a-gps thread on tmo) | 14:28 |
| mike727 | Likely why I've had problems ? Thank you. I guess when I last looked at it, I was too lazy to try and understand it's importance. | 14:30 |
| Wizzup | Sicelo009N: ovi maps for me is mostly heavily outdated maps | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | do they get updated still? | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | or do your roads just not change :) | 14:33 |
| Sicelo009N | yes not much changes here :p | 14:34 |
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| Sicelo009N | re - mappero ... interesting that mike727 has roughly ame problem with menu/ui. i've also found it a difficult application to use. of course, i do appreciate the effort! | 14:42 |
| Sicelo009N | s/mappero/modrana/ | 14:42 |
| infobot | Sicelo009N meant: re - modrana ... interesting that mike727 has roughly ame problem with menu/ui. i've also found it a difficult application to use. of course, i do appreciate the effort! | 14:42 |
| mike727 | Yes, its great work. It looks like they have got offline routing working as well https://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide | 14:44 |
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| jpb22 | Hi all, trying to get in touch with maemo.org admin, but contact@maemo.org bounces... does anyone have a contact point? Thanks | 14:53 |
| merlin1991 | jpb22: this is a good contact point | 15:00 |
| merlin1991 | what kind of admin are you searching, forums, mail, website, repository? | 15:01 |
| jpb22 | merlin1991: website, technically speaking. My forum account was deleted some time ago, but the profile remains and I have no access to modify or remove it. | 15:02 |
| jpb22 | I would paste the url but since everything here is publicly logged, it would be somewhat self defeating | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | ah so garage then | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | I can do that | 15:03 |
| jpb22 | (since I am looking to remove it due to privacy concerns) | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | pm me the old nick | 15:03 |
| jpb22 | awesome, sure thanks | 15:03 |
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| Sicelo009N | oh nice ... can get iphbd to operate in debug mode | 15:51 |
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| freemangordon | Sicelo009N: well, you can even compile it with debug symbols :) | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | https://github.com/community-ssu/iphbd | 21:47 |
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| Sicelo009N | :-) | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: re kernel servie livetime: ever checked centos? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems LTS support for 2.6.32(?) kernel until 2020 at least | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | could be, but that doesn;t help us much for maemo | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, the patches should apply cleanly, no? | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | I guess there is a difference between 2.6.28 and 2.6.32 | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there for sure is | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | but sure, usually they can be backported | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but way less than between 2.6.28 and 4.x.x | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel LOC 10,118,757(2.6.28)->12,532,667(2.6.32) | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't say how much changed, of course | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | what about .28->.29 ? | 22:20 |
| enyc | does it make sense to backport patches... | 22:22 |
| enyc | rather, forward-port maemo patches//drivers to 2.6.32 instead? | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | sure, as long you dont hit roadblocks in blobs | 22:23 |
| enyc | not forgetting any security-fixes that came along in kernel 2.6.28 -> 2.6.32 diff itself anyway... let alone 'since then' | 22:24 |
| enyc | also, i wonder if stretch//ascii libc6 etc is 'compatible' with 2.6.32 -- my experience is jessie can work on 2.6.32 though differences in xorg/video/udev sorts of things can be a problem depending on config/usage | 22:26 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: has anybody made a diff of 2.6.28 'stock' and 2.6.28 'maemo/power' kernel anyway?? | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | you can do it yourself, maemo's kernel source is available | 22:28 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: righ,t where? but in any case i was wondering how much this had been ''investigated'' already you see | 22:28 |
| enyc | I don't have an online arm box i can rebuild tese things from hrrm | 22:28 |
| enyc | though, is that kernel normally compiled on intel using the maemo dev enviroment DocScrutinizer05 pointed out ??? | 22:29 |
| enyc | with arm crosscompilation | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | yes. | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.linuxfoundation.org/search/Annual%20Linux%20Development%20Report | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | To download the full report, please visit The Linux Foundation’s Publication’s website at: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linux-foundation/who-writes-linux-2015 | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/14/plasma-desktopzz8317.png | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~die | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~status | 22:51 |
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| enyc | KotCzarny: can't see the amemo source / building instructions on the wiki.... | 22:54 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: and i'd rather have talked with Pali or so first if they are still contactable! | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | do you know the basics of debian packaging/building ? | 22:54 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: or whoever it is whose already familiar with patching the power kernel so far | 22:54 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: I think so, but I may not be best choice as to person to spend lots of time on it | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keeping kernel and core system of *maemo* in a working status is one thing. Porting packahes to maemo though is another one, until recently you could basically just re-compile any debian package for maemo and fine (leave aside needed adaptions for hildon). Since systemd this doesn't apply anymore to an increasing number of packages. That's where devuan comes in, as the distro that continues to be what debian was | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you also can port old maemo packages to modern devuan, but the result isn't a devuan system but a debian/devuan system with maemo 'apps' | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | S/isn't a devuan/isn't a *maemo*/ | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you also can port old maemo packages to modern devuan, but the result isn't a *MAEMO* system (incl all the core system twekas to make it perform excellent in a phone environment) but a debian/devuan system with maemo 'apps' | 22:59 |
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| enyc | DocScrutinizer05: if core or maemo patched including kernel bumped to 2.6.32 LTS (worth trying if not too hard imho), will devuan stretch armhf chroot work on that kernel ? especially is libc6 backwards-compatible-enough ? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a too complex question for me to answer. sorry | 23:03 |
| enyc | debian/devuan jessie, so far as I can tell, works with minimum 2.6.32 kernel | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure any devuan stuff can run in a carefully crafted chroot or other container or virtulization under maemo | 23:07 |
| enyc | for jessie, libc6 has to be 'patched' (minimally) to 'allow' 2.6.28 (simple comparison check) | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libc6 in container just needs to play nice with the old kernel we have. You can ensure this since we have source of both the kernel and the libc6 | 23:08 |
| enyc | since this is simply changing '32' to '28' in a version-check, i wonder if the devuan libc6 maintainer would be happy to carry that patch in devuan, as its' harmless to everobyd else running newer kernels anyway, in my view. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is really sytsem development 101 | 23:09 |
| enyc | i.e. not need custom build / rebuild on every security update, etc etc | 23:09 |
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| enyc | oh, devuan doesn't override glibc package anyawy, hrrm | 23:39 |
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