IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2017-07-09

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MaceN8x0well05:59
MaceN8x0guess i got this old thing working05:59
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jrgso im trying to update to diablo cssu06:41
jrgkeep getting errors from the wiki06:41
jrgabout an exe that failed to download?06:41
jrgoh.. nm.. seems to be working now heh06:43
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jrgim at a loss07:06
jrgi installed the repo and updater but dont see the updater07:06
jrgam i missing something?07:06
jrgi dont see an update07:08
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jrgblah07:16
jrgguess ill wait until i can flash it07:16
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KotCzarnyhttp://www.cnx-software.com/2017/07/09/jolla-tablet-take-2-youyouta-tablet-runs-linux-based-sailfish-os-2-1-operating-system-crowdfunding/  lol, intel?10:45
TheKitported Hildon-Desktop would surely run on it with MESA :)10:47
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ShadowJKThe original tablet was also intel14:02
KotCzarnyi wonder what is/will be the battery life14:06
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TheKitKotCzarny, around 3 hours I think14:40
jrgand the tablet was canceled with on a few backers having received their tablet.14:40
TheKit(not owner of original Jolla Tablet, just have generic Bay Trail-based one)14:40
jrgthat's where I stopped heh. I couldn't get past the typo14:40
jrgyah.14:40
jrgI can't get this n810 to see the cssu update.14:41
jrgthink I have to flash it. I can't even remember what I put on it last.14:41
Vajbumm what was the command to get the link for lazyflashing?14:46
Vajb~flashing14:46
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing14:46
Vajb~lazyflashing14:46
infobotfrom memory, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach14:46
Vajbcool. Guess they r saved to web log soonish?14:47
Wizzup3 hours battery life? lol14:48
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Vajb_hmm, it seems im growing a bad habbit here. Second time in a day that i drop my phone and have it exploded to three pieces. Glad that n900 is rather sturdy.14:52
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TheKitWizzup, 20000 mAh powerbank will probably help it a bit :)15:38
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TheKitis there any onscreen keyboard for hildon-desktop that can be recompiled?15:39
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jrghm17:15
jrgi give up on whatever is on this n810 heh17:15
jrglooks like i will just have to flash it to figure it out17:16
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jrgthe cssu repo isnt showing me an update on it17:16
jrgW: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org diablo Release: The follo wing signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E40DC434616730BD17:19
jrgmaybe that too?17:19
DocScrutinizer05W == Warning17:50
DocScrutinizer05*should* not break anything17:50
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure there's actually a diablo CSSU repo17:51
jrgDocScrutinizer05: maybe just a cssu in general?18:04
jrgthat key is for fremantle?18:04
jrgeither way. i think i'm going to resort to flashing it later anywyas. i can't seem to update to cssu ... repo installs.. updates. no update shown in either app manager or apt in a shell18:05
jrgany other operating systems that run on the N810 that are worthwhile? i vaguely remember gentoo being able to run on it. although i'd probably never use gentoo18:06
DocScrutinizer05the repos changed a bit during last 8 or 9 years18:06
jrgyah heh. i'm sure. especially with the move away from nokia18:06
DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly18:06
DocScrutinizer05~cssu18:06
jrgto this day i curse noka for ditching maemo when they went to meego then abandoned everything18:06
infobotit has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)18:06
jrgDocScrutinizer05: yah i looked at that and followed the diablo instructions18:06
jrgshould have pretty much been ... the link. app manager. install. update.18:07
DocScrutinizer05so this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project18:07
jrgyes18:07
jrgtried stable and unstable18:07
jrgi see the pkg installed. but no update when refreshed18:08
DocScrutinizer05hmm http://repository.maemo.org/community/dists/diablo/ still exists18:08
jrgtoo bad i have my other laptops packed up otherwise i'd have used one to flash it18:08
DocScrutinizer05I guess last commits to the diablo CSSU repo been years ago, many years18:09
DocScrutinizer052013 the freshest18:09
jrg2013 is probably better than what i have on it now heh18:09
jrganything else i can run on it?18:09
DocScrutinizer05hardly, N8x0 have software blob controlled battery charging afaik18:10
jrgblah. ah well. i'll just install carman and see if the bt odb2 connector i have owrks18:10
DocScrutinizer05others in here are more savvy regarding diablo and N8x018:10
jrgyah it's just incredibly old. just thought it would be neat to use it for something. like when my iphone is charging and i want to irc heh18:11
DocScrutinizer05I might bet a few users actually still use it every day18:11
KotCzarnyif you want a player that can play almost any file format you could try oscp18:11
DocScrutinizer05btw any reporting in here about diablo is highly welcome. At very least by me since I got a 6 devices to upfate as well18:12
DocScrutinizer05update even18:12
jrgwell i'll worry about it after i am able to flash it. the thing wasn't touched since like 2011... i'm surprised the battery still works18:12
jrgthe neo900 looks interesting .. would be nice to have something that could run maemo again and was a bit beefier18:13
jrgit's just still a bit dated compared to newer things. is that a maemo blob issue?18:13
DocScrutinizer05I had one running 24/7/366 until a two or three years ago it failed on reboot out of nothing. I never found the time to look into it and meanwhile forgot all the knowhow18:14
DocScrutinizer05N810 that is18:14
jrgoh. the neo900 is a refurbished n900 with a newer board?18:14
bencohindeed18:15
DocScrutinizer05yes18:15
bencohis supposed to be*18:15
jrgare they even selling these? because the price is for partial funding.. for a higher price? and at 480EU18:16
jrgthat's crazy expensive heh18:16
DocScrutinizer05it's basically me and no, it's still in development18:16
DocScrutinizer05yes, unbearably expensive, due to low sales volume18:16
jrgare you having the cases fabricated? or are you actually finding old n900s to use the cases from?18:17
DocScrutinizer05the latter18:17
jrgouch. that is probably difficult18:18
DocScrutinizer05til now. Might have to change to the former if we want to go for higher sales volume18:18
DocScrutinizer05yes, very difficult18:18
jrgnot easier to see about having a case made? or a different sized case that can fit the board?18:18
jrgi'm guessing the qwerty has to be an absolute pain to have made18:19
DocScrutinizer05possibly18:19
DocScrutinizer05yes, mechanical parts are a pita and very expensive tooling to make18:19
jrgi was thinking more about the internationalization18:19
jrgie: german vs US qwerty18:19
DocScrutinizer05niche problem :-)18:19
jrgwhich i'm guessing is a big reason people moved away from hw qwerty18:20
DocScrutinizer05keymats are still available, though other than qwerty are hard to find meanwhile18:20
jrgso you'd pretty much have to ebay an old n900. gut it. swap the board. send it out?18:21
DocScrutinizer05seems russian layout is widely available18:21
DocScrutinizer05sort of, yes. We buy them in batches of 20 or 40 though18:21
jrgold n900s? from where?!18:21
DocScrutinizer05via our chinese boots on the ground18:21
jrgoh18:21
jrgalmost seems easier if you could get some chinese company to make a case that fits the board. but you'd probably run into quality issues18:22
DocScrutinizer05we sourced all we need for the preorders18:22
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly18:22
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DocScrutinizer05not probably, for sure18:22
DocScrutinizer05you seen/watched http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm  ?18:23
DocScrutinizer05o/ bbl18:25
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rysiek|plhi all18:40
rysiek|pltrying, at the ong last, to install CSSU18:40
rysiek|pland HAM gives me errors18:40
* rysiek|pl is getting the logfile now18:41
rysiek|plthere's a lot of stuff like18:42
rysiek|plapt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-cscz18:42
rysiek|pland then there's a number of "PNG Decompression errors"18:45
rysiek|plthen "[ Some installed packages are broken! ]"18:45
rysiek|plthe only upgradeable package is libqtm-contacts18:45
rysiek|plbut when I try to upgrade it I get a conflict18:45
rysiek|plwith a metric shit-ton of qt4 packages18:46
KotCzarnyreflash maybe then try ?18:46
KotCzarny~cssu18:46
infobotwell, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)18:46
rysiek|plhmmm18:50
rysiek|pltrying `apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr`18:50
rysiek|pllet's see18:50
KotCzarnywrong way.18:50
rysiek|pl?18:50
KotCzarnygo to that page and follow correct installation steps18:50
rysiek|plI went to that page and followed the correct installation steps. they failed.18:51
KotCzarnyyou might be having some blocking packages probably18:51
rysiek|pland then I went here:18:51
rysiek|plhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ18:51
rysiek|pl"""18:52
rysiek|plIn case there are a lot of packages causing the problem you may run the following command in X Terminal with root privileges:18:52
rysiek|pl apt-get update18:52
rysiek|pl apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr18:52
rysiek|plThat will allow upgrade to the CSSU.18:52
rysiek|pl"""18:52
rysiek|plit's already running, so I'll just see what happens I guess18:52
DocScrutinizer05are you running that as root?18:55
rysiek|plyes18:56
rysiek|plso far so good18:57
rysiek|pldone18:57
rysiek|plshould I reboot?18:57
DocScrutinizer05hmm, can't hurt18:57
rysiek|plm'kay18:58
rysiek|pland afterwards?18:58
rysiek|pltry with the CSSU link again?18:58
DocScrutinizer05anyway you noticed the recommended CSSU installation process consists of TWO steps?18:58
rysiek|plthis? https://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU18:59
rysiek|plI see 9 steps there18:59
DocScrutinizer05yes18:59
rysiek|plgot to step 519:00
rysiek|pland HAM crapped out, repeatedly19:00
DocScrutinizer05did you check step1 ?19:00
rysiek|plyes19:01
rysiek|pltrying step 5 again19:02
DocScrutinizer05>>Make sure you have no too weird catalog settings in Application manager, esp it's recommended you never disable the core Nokia SSU repositories. see 1.<<  disable additional repos / catalogs you have19:03
rysiek|plah, now it works19:03
rysiek|plyes, did that19:03
rysiek|plseems to work now19:04
rysiek|plwe shall see19:05
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rysiek|plhuh19:10
rysiek|plno "Community SSU" icon in the applications menu19:10
DocScrutinizer05there's no application "Community SSU"19:11
DocScrutinizer05just like there's no application "debian wheezy"19:12
DocScrutinizer05there is (or shall be) a "about CSSU" item in system menu19:13
DocScrutinizer05sorry, in "Settinhs" app19:14
rysiek|pl7. Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up.19:14
rysiek|plso.19:14
DocScrutinizer05well that is the second step I meant19:15
rysiek|plyes, and I do not have thayt "app"19:15
rysiek|plI do have About Community CSU in Settings though19:16
rysiek|plhuh19:16
rysiek|plok, let's reboot and see what happens19:17
DocScrutinizer05sorry, you have to wait for the CSSU experts then. The instructions worked for a bazillion of users19:18
rysiek|plthis is weird19:18
rysiek|plyeah19:18
rysiek|plthanks anyway19:18
DocScrutinizer05the Community SSU icon is a one shot thing completing the CSSU installation. It's possible you shortcut that step by your problem workaround19:19
DocScrutinizer05open HAM and see which updates are available19:20
rysiek|plnone19:21
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rysiek|plapt says otherwise thouhg19:23
rysiek|pl17 not upgraded19:23
rysiek|plhmmm19:23
DocScrutinizer05you're probably not waiting for HAM to finsih19:24
DocScrutinizer05your initial report up here already sounded fishy, not anything a apt-get install could fix19:25
rysiek|plwell it explicitly says "no updates available"19:26
DocScrutinizer05sounds like you got repos enabled that conflict with CSSU19:26
rysiek|plI have 2 Nokia mirrors, and the Community CSSU repo19:26
DocScrutinizer05did you edit the repo list manually?19:27
rysiek|plthese are the three I have enabled19:27
DocScrutinizer05ever?19:27
rysiek|plno19:27
rysiek|plnever19:27
rysiek|plshould I do community-cssu-disabler, and then community-cssu-enabler again?19:27
DocScrutinizer05no, disabler doesn't work19:27
rysiek|plis there a way to force the enabler to re-install CSSU?19:28
DocScrutinizer05for sure there is, but I don't know it19:28
rysiek|plok19:28
DocScrutinizer05wait for Pali19:28
rysiek|pldo you have CSSU on your n900?19:28
DocScrutinizer05or merlin199119:28
DocScrutinizer05sure19:28
rysiek|plI'd like to know which version of some packages I should have19:29
rysiek|plsay, pulseaudio19:29
rysiek|plI'm at ii  pulseaudio                                          0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5                        PulseAudio sound server19:29
rysiek|plthat doesn't sound correct19:29
rysiek|plDocScrutinizer05: can you check which version you're on?19:30
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/2505466519:30
DocScrutinizer05no warranty this is all up to date19:30
rysiek|plyeah19:31
rysiek|plbut I don't even have "cssu" in package versions19:31
rysiek|plwtf19:31
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/2505467119:31
rysiek|plthx19:32
DocScrutinizer05ask Pali, he's the expert19:33
rysiek|plit's as if it completely ignores deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free19:33
rysiek|plwill do19:33
rysiek|plthanks19:33
Paliwhat is the problem?19:34
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DocScrutinizer05if you're somewhat experienced with apt and shell, you may want to have a look at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt  and the source http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs19:36
DocScrutinizer05Pali: CSSU install failed19:36
rysiek|plPali: hey19:36
Palijust click on install icon on wiki19:36
Palihttp://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU19:36
DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:40:46] <rysiek|pl> and HAM gives me errors19:37
DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:41:27] * rysiek|pl is getting the logfile now19:37
DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:42:17] <rysiek|pl> there's a lot of stuff like19:37
DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:42:18] <rysiek|pl> apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-cscz19:37
DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:45:12] <rysiek|pl> and then there's a number of "PNG Decompression errors"19:37
DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:45:26] <rysiek|pl> then "[ Some installed packages are broken! ]"19:37
rysiek|plPali: yeah, I did that. first it failed a couple of times with an "error" in HAM, then I got a bit desperate and did  apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr19:37
rysiek|pland then it kinda worked, I guess (HAM installed something), but:19:37
rysiek|pl1. I still have old package versions19:37
KotCzarnyremember he has n8x019:37
rysiek|plno, n90019:37
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rysiek|pl2. even though in Settings I do have Community SSU19:38
KotCzarnyoh? then it was the other guy, eh19:38
rysiek|pl3. and even though community-ssu-enabler tells me all is installed19:38
rysiek|plPali: so my question is, is there a way to *force* community-ssu-enabler to re-do all necessary steps even though it thinks they're done19:38
Paliare you installing stable or testing?19:39
rysiek|plstable19:39
rysiek|plbut I am open to testing also19:39
rysiek|plthat's a device that's not used actively19:39
Paliopen HAM and check if CSSU stable catalogue is enabled19:39
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you can install testing any time over stable19:39
Paliyes, you can upgrade from stable --> testing19:40
rysiek|plPali: "Community SSU" is enabled19:40
rysiek|plthen there are "Community SSU (testing)" (and others) that are disabled19:40
DocScrutinizer05but you should try to investigate errors in HAM instead of desparately trying apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr19:40
Paliclick on it, view, and write URL19:40
Paliwhat is configured for that catalogue19:40
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rysiek|plhttp://repository.maemo.org/community/19:40
rysiek|pldistro: freemantle19:41
rysiek|plcomponents: free non-free19:41
rysiek|pldisabled: false19:41
Palithat is OK19:41
rysiek|playe19:41
Paliclick in HAM where is button: check for updates19:41
Paliand wait19:41
DocScrutinizer05waaaaait ;-)19:42
DocScrutinizer05this isn't speedyham yet19:42
Paliyes, wait, HAM in stock maemo and cssu stable is slooow19:42
Palisometimes it can take about 30minutes...19:42
rysiek|plchecking, and then... "no updates available"19:42
DocScrutinizer05like, 10 minutes19:42
rysiek|plas in, it explicitly says there are no updates19:42
rysiek|plafter it checks (displaying a progress bar and all)19:42
Palifirst it say "no updates", but icon is animating/rotating19:43
rysiek|plas if the Community SSU repo is being ignored19:43
rysiek|plit is not animating nor rotating19:43
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rysiek|plCPU usage is low19:43
Palicheck for updates again19:43
rysiek|plsure19:43
Paliand... open menu and check if you see there application icon named "Community SSU Enabler"19:44
rysiek|plchecking...19:44
rysiek|plno updates available19:44
Palialso run: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr19:44
rysiek|plno, I do not have that icon19:44
rysiek|plhttp://wklej.org/id/3215951/19:45
DocScrutinizer05heretic thought: how about a reflash and then install CSSU again?19:46
Paliok, going to look at version numbers...19:46
rysiek|plDocScrutinizer05: quite a nuclear option ;)19:47
Paliat least in git I see updates from 017-06-29 09:42:03 (ileuu)19:47
DocScrutinizer05indeed19:47
rysiek|plDocScrutinizer05: might go for it if nothing else works19:47
Paliso there is something new...19:47
DocScrutinizer05see ~lazyflashing for that19:47
rysiek|plmhm19:47
DocScrutinizer05eventually19:47
DocScrutinizer05possibly19:47
DocScrutinizer05maybe19:47
Palinope, in git is only testing19:47
Pali-stable not updated19:47
Paliin git is -stable 21.2011.38-1Smaemo719:48
DocScrutinizer05upgrade to testing for now?19:48
Paliand from apt we see: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo819:48
DocScrutinizer05start from scratch with testing19:48
rysiek|plPali: I definitely have an old pulseaudio version, for example19:48
rysiek|plPali: as in, I don't think CSSU updates went through19:48
DocScrutinizer05suggestion ^^^^ or even question19:48
rysiek|plshould I click on the testing version icon in wiki/CSSU?19:48
rysiek|plPali: ^^^19:49
Palirysiek|pl: you do not have old pulseaudio19:49
Palicssu-stable uses same pulseaudio as in stock maemo19:49
rysiek|plaaaah19:49
rysiek|plok, should I do the testing thing then19:49
Paliwait...19:49
rysiek|plk19:49
Paliopen control panel (or how it is called)19:50
DocScrutinizer05settings19:50
Paliand check if there is cssu menu19:50
Paliplus run: apt-cache policy libcpaboutcssu19:50
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/2505479319:51
Palirysiek|pl: ^^^19:52
Palinot from you DocScrutinizer05...19:52
DocScrutinizer05sure, just for reference19:52
DocScrutinizer05though that's Testing19:53
rysiek|plPali: http://wklej.org/id/3215957/19:53
Palithat is ok19:53
Paliyou should have in "settings" icon of "cssu"19:53
rysiek|plPali: there is "About Community SSU" in Settings19:53
Paliopen it19:53
Paliwhat is there?19:53
DocScrutinizer05do you see the "about community ssu" button in settings?19:53
DocScrutinizer05nm19:54
rysiek|plCommunity SSU installed19:54
rysiek|plVersion: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo819:54
rysiek|plFlavor: Stable19:54
DocScrutinizer05flavor: Stable19:54
Paliso cssu-stable is installed19:54
rysiek|plok19:55
rysiek|plwell then19:55
DocScrutinizer05the "S" in version gives it away19:55
rysiek|plsorry for the commotion19:55
rysiek|plhow do I upgrade to testing, then? :)19:55
Paliopen wiki page and click on testing19:55
rysiek|plsince I nede the newer pulseaudio (that's what I am actually after)19:55
rysiek|plok, doing that now19:55
rysiek|plthanks a lot19:55
DocScrutinizer05please report back as soon as something doesn't work "normal"19:56
rysiek|plokok19:56
rysiek|plI don't expect anything to work "normal" ;)19:56
rysiek|plpone update19:57
rysiek|pl*one19:57
rysiek|plMaemo 5 Community SSU19:57
DocScrutinizer05that's step 2 I guess19:57
rysiek|plfun!19:57
rysiek|pl:)19:57
Pali1. step open wiki and click install; 2. step install update via HAM; 3. step stick on the icon in menu "Commutity SSU enabler" 4. step update via HAM19:58
Paliyou probably need to skip 3. step if icon is not there19:58
Paliand after everything finish, reboot device19:59
DocScrutinizer053. step was the tricky stuff with "we need update done that can't get done since HAM gets closed" or somesuch?19:59
DocScrutinizer05I think this was the whole reason for having that "Commutity SSU enabler" app icon20:01
rysiek|plsure20:01
Palienabler is adding new repository into system with option to allow updating system packages20:02
DocScrutinizer05yep, and that can't fly without restarting apt/HAM so can't get done via postinst20:02
Paliand once new catalogue is added, it is converted to apt repository20:03
DocScrutinizer05iirc20:03
Paliwhich means apt-get update needs to be called20:03
rysiek|ploh ffs20:03
Paliand you cannot call apt-get update from posting deb package as apt database is locked20:03
Paliso it needs to be done manually after HAM is finish all dpkg operations20:03
rysiek|plthe n900 turned off mid-update because battery was dead (it's an old and bad battery) *even though* it was connected to power20:03
DocScrutinizer05:nod:20:04
rysiek|pllet's see if it's alive20:04
DocScrutinizer05did it regularly shut down, with breaking-glass-audio etc?20:04
rysiek|plyeah20:05
DocScrutinizer05ok then20:05
DocScrutinizer05no idea what that did to the update20:05
rysiek|plyeah, new puleaudio20:06
rysiek|pl*pulseaudio20:06
* DocScrutinizer05 still wonders if we couldn't have scheduled a alarmd event to take care about step 320:06
rysiek|plall seems fine20:06
DocScrutinizer05rysiek|pl: ask Pali, maybe an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade is due now20:07
rysiek|plwill do it anyway20:08
DocScrutinizer05something you usually never should do20:08
DocScrutinizer05you might find that useful info:20:08
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools20:08
infobotmethinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools20:08
rysiek|plthx20:09
Paliopening HAM again and continue should work20:10
Palicheck for updates, wait until finish and upgrade20:11
PaliDocScrutinizer05: last version of cssu-enabler in git forks from postinstall script, wait until apt finish and start that enabler20:11
rysiek|plit is glorious20:12
Paliplus it instruct user to close HAM20:12
rysiek|plall seems to work fine20:12
rysiek|plchecked for updates20:12
rysiek|plnone available20:12
DocScrutinizer05\o/20:12
Paliso it would be more automatical... but first we need new cssu release...20:12
DocScrutinizer05Pali: genius!20:12
DocScrutinizer05:-D20:12
Palirysiek|pl: check cssu version in "settings"20:13
DocScrutinizer05Pali: keep in mind it may take minutes until apt-worker thread quits after close of HAM20:13
DocScrutinizer05iirc20:13
DocScrutinizer05you want to keep user informed about that wait20:14
DocScrutinizer05"stay calm, the train will depart in a few minutes"20:14
DocScrutinizer05I think killing apt.worker thread is a poor idea20:15
rysiek|plPali: (...)1Tmaemo1120:15
rysiek|plFlavor: Testing20:15
rysiek|plwoo-hoo20:15
DocScrutinizer05loiks good20:15
DocScrutinizer05you should have portait mode and portrait lock icon in systray now20:16
DocScrutinizer05plus "lightning fast" HAM20:16
DocScrutinizer05plus a bazillion other less obvious bugfixes and improvements20:16
DocScrutinizer05slightly smarter battery capacity report in systray menu20:17
DocScrutinizer05yaddayadda20:18
DocScrutinizer05Pali: they locked my ticket X-P  - basically "wontfix": https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/630920:19
DocScrutinizer05rysiek|pl: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features  http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog20:20
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rysiek|plthx20:23
DocScrutinizer05rysiek|pl: priceless: gconftool-2 -s  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 520:24
DocScrutinizer05see ~jrtools20:24
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/media/MHD_demo_20090108_001.mp420:26
DocScrutinizer05exactly same like alt+tab on regular desktop20:27
DocScrutinizer05just instead of alt+shift+tab for backwards rotation, you hold backspace and click the ctrl key, while for regular forward you hold ctrl and click bs20:28
DocScrutinizer05releasing ctrl first and then bs wil keep the taskswitcher open20:30
DocScrutinizer05releasing ctrl last will activate the window in focus (upper left)20:30
DocScrutinizer05Pali: there's a quirk in MHD hotkeys taskswitcher (/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5): when I press Ctrl+BS and release BS then Ctrl key *before* the animation stopped, it doesn't foreground the focused window20:38
DocScrutinizer05the Ctrl key-up event should get stored in a buffer or whatever until animation finished. It gets flushed and discarded instead20:40
DocScrutinizer05weird: fast doubleclick of either BS versus Ctrl key reveals the BS button gets not buffered while Ctrl button *actually gets buffered as long as BS pressed*20:42
DocScrutinizer05I.E. when I do a fast triple click of CTRL while holding BS, the animation does 3 swaps even after last click done long ago. On triple click of BS key the animation stops after finishing one swap20:44
DocScrutinizer05weird20:45
DocScrutinizer05(ticket) tixxdz obfuscated stuff until total non-recognition, then threw the killer tantrum https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6309#issuecomment-313911276 "fix it elsewhere!"21:01
KotCzarny'our shitty software is the best and sticks to our shitty policy so break other tools to fit to our shitty software'21:04
DocScrutinizer05I'm temped to open yet another ticket "systemd maintainers insist in enforcing policies regarding usernames by simply denying service to certain names they personally don't like. Should leave the policy decision to the tools like useradd/adduser et al instead"21:04
KotCzarnyhow about a ticket named 'you trolls stop trashing linux ecosystem and go back to your shitty cockroach holes'21:25
DocScrutinizer05that's not the first ticket with wording to that effect21:31
DocScrutinizer05for a decent ticket: man adduser|less -j3 +"/the configurable regular expression"21:36
DocScrutinizer05THIS is the only valid policy regarding "syntactically" correct usernames, and that may change any time in each particular system, leaving old non-conforming but still valid usernames in password database21:37
DocScrutinizer05and even that is not really valid as username policy as soon as you got NFS or samba mounts, YP etc21:38
KotCzarny'not a problem, fix nfs, sambba, yp', problem solved21:41
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jrgPali: I didn't get an icon for diablo22:10
jrgthe cssu enabler22:11
Palijrg: I do not know how cssu is working in diablo22:11
Paliprobably fully differently22:11
jrgoh ok.22:11
jrginstructions seem a bit similar22:11
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DocScrutinizer05(systemd) man useradd|less -j6 +'/On Debian, the only constraints are.*$'22:16
DocScrutinizer05where would I open a ticket against debian (systemd)?22:19
DocScrutinizer05Pali: http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project22:21
DocScrutinizer05http://repository.maemo.org/community/dists/diablo/22:21
PaliDocScrutinizer05: ticket for debian is reporting via "reportbug" tool22:22
Pali/usr/bin/reportbug on debian system22:22
DocScrutinizer05damn, that requires a working debian system22:22
Palior22:22
Paliyou can send well-known formatted email to well-known adress22:22
DocScrutinizer05ummm22:22
Palihttps://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting22:23
Palisee section: How to report a bug in Debian using email22:23
Palibasically send email to address submit@bugs.debian.org with first line in body "Package: package_name" and second line "Version: package_version", make one line empty and then write description22:24
DocScrutinizer05>>BUG: debian systemd 'user=' denies service to usernames that are perfectly valid according to `man useradd|less -j6 +'/On Debian, the only constraints are.*$' ` -- the 'syntax' check on name values for key "user=" should get removed completely since it doesn't serve any obvious purpose<<22:25
Palipackage_name would be: systemd22:26
Palilist of known systemd bugs in debian are at: https://bugs.debian.org/systemd22:26
Paliso if you want to report bug, just write email with those two lines... whole bug reporting system is working via emails, that web interface is just read-only view22:29
jrgyah i don't think i can flash in sierra22:35
jrgflasher doesn't work :/22:35
jrgRX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin22:37
jrgheh22:37
jrgwow.. 2008 :)22:37
jrgare there cssu bins i an flash to the n810 instead of the original image?22:41
Palinope, cssu is OTA update22:42
jrgah ok. then i'm at a loss.22:42
Paliyou flash original image and then you update CSSU from apt repository22:42
jrginstalled the repo and don't have an icon or a way to start it. neither the app manager or apt see anything22:42
jrgis there maybe a script i need to run?22:42
jrgguess maybe the n810 repo is broken or something else is on the n81022:43
Palidiablo cssu install steps are different, there is no icon22:44
Paliread diablo wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project#Upgrading_to_the_.22stable.22_version22:44
jrgi did that22:45
Paliflashing should work, just use regular linux machine, not some virtualisation from windows22:45
jrgRefresh the application manager (bottom right button) so it will see the packages in the community-updates domain and offer the update22:46
jrgi don't see the update22:46
Paliit is known that windows has usb enumeration and plus windows virtualisation is not so good...22:46
jrgeven tho i see the repo in app manager22:46
jrgah well. when i get the chance i'll flash and try the ota updat eagain and see what happens22:49
Palisomewhere around me should be one n810... but today I already failed to find it... otherwise I would try upgrade22:49
jrgEfforts to rewrite or open previously closed components of Diablo have been unsuccessful.22:49
PaliI found this thread: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96247 and wrote answer22:49
jrgthat's too bad22:50
Palimaybe could help you22:50
jrgnope. still no updates22:58
jrgnot sure what is going on with the thing22:58
jrgdon't see anything that allows me to update to cssu for diablo22:58
jrgoh23:02
jrgrepository.maemo.org/catalogue/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz failed to refresh23:02
TheKitI remember talks about not completely reversed closed-source PulseAudio modules23:09
TheKitare they required for VoIP?23:10
jrgok. i give up i can't seem to update this thing lol23:13
jrgi'll flash it when i get a chance and yank a linux laptop out of a box and try it again some other day23:14
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