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| freemangordon | xes: I don't think we have one :( | 01:15 |
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| freemangordon | cssu is effectively dead, fremantle port to devuan seems to be progressing way slower than I hoped, so... | 01:16 |
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| xes | and maemo-browser uses internal nss to connect to https ..isn't it? | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | afaik yes | 01:30 |
| freemangordon | but I doubt we'll be able to port newer nss. And even if we are able, we don;t have any means to distribute it | 01:31 |
| freemangordon | xes: the point is that I don't see any other dev (besides Wizzup, but it seems he has already too much stuff on the plate) interested in helping with maemo port | 01:54 |
| xes | freemangordon: actual devuan image can be used also in chroot? | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | the best we could hope for is 2 or 3 more devs, porting FOSS stuff, with me doing the REing work | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | I doubt | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | it has jessie libc, and maemo kernel is too old afaik | 01:55 |
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| freemangordon | xes: you may want to look at https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | it is really easy to be used, and you | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | can tweak the board script to your needs | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | like pre-installing lxde or whatever | 02:00 |
| freemangordon | xes: on https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk/blob/next/boards/nokia-n900.sh#L36 you may add whatever packages you need to be installed in the image | 02:02 |
| xes | very interesting and also pretty easy to guess | 02:05 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 02:05 |
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| xes | mhm? | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | I mean - yes, it is interesting and easy :) | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am going to have some sleep | 02:11 |
| freemangordon | night | 02:11 |
| xes | goodnight | 02:12 |
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| err0r3o3 | got a sencond n900 today, so i have an test device now =) | 03:48 |
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| sunshavi | Hi freemangordon | 05:04 |
| sunshavi | I have had jessie until last week (now on strech) | 05:04 |
| sunshavi | http://termbin.com/tlua | 05:17 |
| sunshavi | kotczarny shared his n900 chroot with me (I installed on the orange pi ). With that chroot I was able of compiling more than one package (for n900). So the best bet could be something similar for devuan. Perhaps We could prepare a devuan-chroot for orange pi. Then anyone with an h3 device (4 cores) could compile more than one package. That way we could make a list of pendant packages and more than one person could compile it. | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the idea was to keep the repos, nit to rebuild them | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not* | 05:28 |
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| sicelo | cssu effectively dead - sad news, but understandable | 09:24 |
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| bencoh | sicelo: uh? | 09:31 |
| sicelo | see fmg comment above | 09:31 |
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| bencoh | ah | 09:32 |
| sicelo | i would be happy with a non-maemo n900 that can do calls and good power management | 09:34 |
| sicelo | i havent run my n900 with a new kernel since the 3.16 days .. i should test how well things work currently | 09:36 |
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| bencoh | sicelo: there are several aspects here: maemo (as community and/or as a platform) and n900 | 09:44 |
| sicelo | i understand fmg to refer to maemo as a platform | 09:45 |
| sicelo | unfortunately, i dont have any better ideas to keep maemo alive or up-to-date | 09:55 |
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| Gamera | what do people do with the n900 these days | 12:20 |
| Gamera | what is the MOST useful thing users in here do with theirs | 12:20 |
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| deepy\lettuce | phonecalls | 12:24 |
| bencoh | tbh I don't do much with it. phone/sms, marble (gps navigation), irc (remote irssi over ssh), a few pictures here and there (fcamera/stock camera), music playback (cmus) | 12:24 |
| Gamera | I couldn't keep it as my main device | 12:24 |
| bencoh | because of the web browser? | 12:25 |
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| Gamera | because of a lot of apps that it couldn't do | 12:25 |
| Gamera | and yeah browsing the web is a sort of important aspect of a phone | 12:26 |
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| Gamera | I've had to put up with a normal android keyboard, and the "linux lite" aspect of android | 12:26 |
| Gamera | which I don't give a fuck about to be honest. | 12:26 |
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| Gamera | I have two of these, with no simcards, but wondering what I can do with them | 12:27 |
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| deepy\lettuce | You can sell them | 12:29 |
| Gamera | I don't relaly bother selling things | 12:29 |
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| sicelo | mine is my main device. i do everything with it | 13:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | same here. | 13:26 |
| xes | "i do everything"... sadly it stops in front of pages like: https://www.kernel.org | 13:31 |
| Wizzup | you can run mainline linux and xfce on it | 13:31 |
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| sicelo | true xes. 'everything' in a relative way :-) | 13:42 |
| sicelo | wut! my n900 opened that one :-/ | 13:42 |
| sicelo | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-20170627-124233-OOLGSaPe.png | 13:44 |
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| Sicelo009N | unless i missed something? | 14:06 |
| bencoh | I get a "connection interrupted" | 14:07 |
| bencoh | because of TLS I suppose | 14:07 |
| bencoh | Sicelo009N: I wonder if you're not behind a proxy that mitm ssl connections as well | 14:08 |
| bencoh | you should check certificate | 14:08 |
| sicelo | ah yes i was at that time | 14:11 |
| sicelo | dman work network | 14:11 |
| bencoh | :) | 14:11 |
| bencoh | unfortunately that's quite common | 14:12 |
| sicelo | but' it's still working even on my mobile operator | 14:12 |
| bencoh | which reminds me ... we could actually do something about that tls issue without backporting a recent nss into browserd | 14:12 |
| bencoh | one could use a local embedded proxy (running on n900) | 14:13 |
| bencoh | built against a recent libssl | 14:13 |
| Sicelo009N | it is definitely opening on mine somehow and now i'm ont behind any mitm (unless now my cell-op is doing the mitm) | 14:14 |
| Sicelo009N | or let me clear cache | 14:15 |
| Sicelo009N | cert is Gandhi | 14:16 |
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| sicelo | that's a nice idea though bencoh | 14:20 |
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| sicelo | well my n900 still opens it after clearing cache. i give up | 14:22 |
| bencoh | interesting | 14:24 |
| err0r3o3 | i h | 14:30 |
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| err0r3o3 | i use one as main cellphone, and another one as "terminal" | 14:31 |
| err0r3o3 | with debian 3G data and ssh | 14:31 |
| sicelo | (will reboot n900 and test again) | 14:34 |
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| err0r3o3 | https://kernel.org I get a "connection interrupted" too | 14:38 |
| err0r3o3 | https://www.kernel.org works | 14:38 |
| sicelo | ah, could be that then. | 14:39 |
| bencoh | interesting | 14:41 |
| err0r3o3 | but cant download anything because ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap | 14:41 |
| sicelo | tried it on pc .. kernel.org redirects to www.kernel.org seemingly | 14:41 |
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| err0r3o3 | someone running arch linux on n900? | 15:22 |
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| err0r3o3 | spent the last week to get it working and failed.. | 15:25 |
| err0r3o3 | u-boot doesn't find my uImage | 15:25 |
| Gamera | what would arch linux do for the n900 | 15:27 |
| buZz | rape and pilage | 15:28 |
| buZz | its arrrrrrrrrrrrg linux | 15:28 |
| Gamera | I run that as my main OS | 15:29 |
| Gamera | just because the other ones suck more than it does | 15:29 |
| Gamera | there seem to be fewer rules | 15:29 |
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| err0r3o3 | pacman , my package manager of joice | 15:31 |
| err0r3o3 | the kiss principle | 15:31 |
| Gamera | arch doesn't do that | 15:31 |
| err0r3o3 | its just my favorite linux distro | 15:31 |
| sicelo | haha, 'rape and pilage' :-D | 15:41 |
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| Gamera | as much as a linux distro can do that | 16:40 |
| Gamera | which is none at all | 16:40 |
| bencoh | iirc some people eventually succeeded in running arch on n900 | 16:45 |
| bencoh | and uboot unable to find uImage doesn't sound like such a big issue | 16:46 |
| Wizzup | err0r3o3_: pacman is KISS? weird | 16:50 |
| Wizzup | either way, you change your uboot menu? | 16:50 |
| Gamera | nothing about arch is kiss | 16:56 |
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| parazyd | arch linux? i thought it was quite simple | 17:42 |
| NeKit | <Wizzup> you can run mainline linux and xfce on it - on N900? | 17:42 |
| parazyd | freemangordon, Wizzup: tomorrow we have a video conference with the devuan devs | 17:43 |
| parazyd | i hope to figure out the shit | 17:43 |
| parazyd | (finally) | 17:44 |
| Wizzup | Yay | 17:44 |
| Wizzup | NeKit: why not | 17:44 |
| parazyd | you're welcome to join in | 17:44 |
| parazyd | 22:30 our time | 17:44 |
| parazyd | 20:30 utc | 17:45 |
| Wizzup | I'm too sick, infection of the lungs | 17:45 |
| parazyd | oh crap | 17:45 |
| err0r3o3_ | yes i changed my u-boot menu and updated it, also run sdboot doesn't work.. | 17:48 |
| err0r3o3_ | i compiled the stable kernel from kernel.org with dts | 17:49 |
| err0r3o3_ | should i better try the 4.9 from pali? | 17:50 |
| bencoh | yes | 17:52 |
| bencoh | this is completely unrelated to uboot not finding it, but still | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note that N900-dts in mainline is basically unmaintained since nobody but freemangordon and/or pali will do anything about it afaik | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so Pali's version of kernel is better any day | 18:05 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: and sre | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he still looks into N900? | 18:06 |
| bencoh | afaict he still posts / acks stuff related to n900 hw to lkml | 18:07 |
| bencoh | https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/3/4/82 for instance | 18:07 |
| bencoh | (and pavel, too) | 18:07 |
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| xes | anyone using riot? https://about.riot.im https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually dts in mainline is maintained | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by you and pali, I guess :-) | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ot saying that's bad, just that nobody else takes care, afaik | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not* | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | wrong, see https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | it is not only me and pali | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | sebastian and pavel are doing most of the work on it lately | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, nope, Linus Torvalds? I guess I have no idea what I'm looking at | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | hmm? | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | this is today's linux master | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | branch | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts?id=5c73cc4b6c83e88863a5de869cc5df3b913aef4a | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | committer: Linus | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | this is linus pulling some other tree | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nevermind I have no clue about git | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | he is the only one with rights to push in master branch afaik | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just seem to understand that https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts doesn't tell me who's contributing to N900 branch specifically | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | there is no "n900 branch" | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see? | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | this is linux kernel master branch | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | made my point I guess | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC | 19:19 |
| bencoh | indeed ;p | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | but for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | maybe I missed your point, however my point was that it is not only me and Pali :) | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good! | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | err0r3o3_: you'd better use mainline kernel tree | 19:20 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: why? | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | u-boot unable to find the uImage has nothing to do with the kernel version itself | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL for sure not | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: because there is nothing on Pali's tree needed by upstream distros and it has "hacks" neede by maemo which may interfere | 19:21 |
| bencoh | I thought it included unmergeable/not-yet-merged patches as well? | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | upstream has even bluetooth and cameras, how functional is another story, but still :) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while we're at it, how would I actually check who committed to a particular file in git? | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: it contains, but those are neede by maemo | 19:22 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: git log | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | web git ;-P | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | use "log" | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then find or what? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh you say https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts actually has edits to that particular file only? | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | yes | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | ;_ | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | (19,19,20) freemangordon: but for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | :p | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | parazyd: good, I hope we'll have some concrete outcome, even negative | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still lost when looking at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts?id=5a6b7e53d035db7941b27122365cca9f2e912596 seems it's only unrelated edits | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, look at diffstat down the page | 19:27 |
| parazyd | indeed | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: whatever possible from pali's tree was already upstreamed | 19:28 |
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| freemangordon | afaik | 19:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 shudders thinking of dts patches for Neo900 | 19:29 | |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: ah, while you;re here - do you plan to package libplayback, or I should do it? I am not pushing, but asking to know how to plan my time :) | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though it's meant to be as hw-compatible as it gets, we have quite a few new things in there | 19:30 |
| bencoh | I'm terribly sorry about it, I should've updated you on friday - didn't have a moment | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: how would kernel(?) decide which DTS (???) is the right one to use, IOW how does kernel know which device it's running on? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | no need to sorry, I am overloaded as well so it is understandable. So I assume you won;t have time and I will have to do it, right? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: in case of n900 you "attach" dtb to the kernel zImage | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh good, so simple and straight forward | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | outright easy | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | for devices where bootloader supports DT, DTB is passed by bootloader to the kernel, afaik | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now neo900 DTS 'only' needs new sensors and a few changed switches | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | and a new CPU and memory and flash description :) | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new LEDs | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | etc | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that too | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though that's pretty much same as GTA04 | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so Nikolaus should already have accomplished all that | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | maybe it is better to ruse GTA04 DTS | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | *reuse | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merge, somegow | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *how | 19:34 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: I wouldn't build on me doing it, yeah :/ | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | oik | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | *ok | 19:39 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: as far as mainlining the neo900 dts goes it's going to be its own dts file | 20:23 |
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| err0r3o3 | ok, arch is running now with the mainline kernel | 22:33 |
| err0r3o3 | this time i build on a debian machine | 22:33 |
| err0r3o3 | :) | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: merlin1991: what do you DTS guys need to create the Neo900 DTS? I probably can already provide everything needed | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | except for a real test platform, which will take a "few weeks" longer until we got some | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess what you need is I2C/whatever address and exact type of sensor/actor chip? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus the DTS of latest (huge-RAM, DM3730) GTA04 | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw we finally decided to use original N900 kbd concept (kbd matrix scanner of TWL4030), so the new dedicated matrix scanner chip will be in Neo900 proto_v2 only | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one less new driver/DTS patch needed | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for final Neo900 | 23:43 |
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