IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-06-27

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freemangordonxes: I don't think we have one :(01:15
freemangordoncssu is effectively dead, fremantle port to devuan seems to be progressing way slower than I hoped, so...01:16
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xesand maemo-browser uses internal nss to connect to https ..isn't it?01:19
freemangordonafaik yes01:30
freemangordonbut I doubt we'll be able to port newer nss. And even if we are able, we don;t have any means to distribute it01:31
freemangordonxes: the point is that I don't see any other dev (besides Wizzup, but it seems he has already too much stuff on the plate) interested in helping with maemo port01:54
xesfreemangordon: actual devuan image can be used also in chroot?01:55
freemangordonthe best we could hope for is 2 or 3 more devs, porting FOSS stuff, with me doing the REing work01:55
freemangordonI doubt01:55
freemangordonit has jessie libc, and maemo kernel is too old afaik01:55
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freemangordonxes: you may want to look at
freemangordonit is really easy to be used, and you01:59
freemangordoncan tweak the board script to your needs01:59
freemangordonlike pre-installing lxde or whatever02:00
freemangordonxes: on you may add whatever packages you need to be installed in the image02:02
xesvery interesting and also pretty easy to guess02:05
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freemangordonI mean - yes, it is interesting and easy :)02:10
freemangordonanyway, I am going to have some sleep02:11
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err0r3o3got a sencond n900 today, so i have an test device now =)03:48
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sunshaviHi freemangordon05:04
sunshaviI have had jessie until last week (now on strech)05:04
sunshavikotczarny shared his n900 chroot with me (I installed on the orange pi ). With that chroot I was able of compiling more than one package (for n900). So the best bet could be something similar for devuan. Perhaps We could prepare a devuan-chroot for orange pi. Then anyone with an h3 device (4 cores) could compile more than one package. That way we could make a list of pendant packages and more than one person could compile it.05:20
DocScrutinizer05the idea was to keep the repos, nit to rebuild them05:28
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sicelocssu effectively dead - sad news, but understandable09:24
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bencohsicelo: uh?09:31
sicelosee fmg comment above09:31
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siceloi would be happy with a non-maemo n900 that can do calls and good power management09:34
siceloi havent run my n900 with a new kernel since the 3.16 days .. i should test how well things work currently09:36
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bencohsicelo: there are several aspects here: maemo (as community and/or as a platform) and n90009:44
siceloi understand fmg to refer to maemo as a platform09:45
sicelounfortunately, i dont have any better ideas to keep maemo alive or up-to-date09:55
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Gamerawhat do people do with the n900 these days12:20
Gamerawhat is the MOST useful thing users in here do with theirs12:20
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bencohtbh I don't do much with it. phone/sms, marble (gps navigation), irc (remote irssi over ssh), a few pictures here and there (fcamera/stock camera), music playback (cmus)12:24
GameraI couldn't keep it as my main device12:24
bencohbecause of the web browser?12:25
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Gamerabecause of a lot of apps that it couldn't do12:25
Gameraand yeah browsing the web is a sort of important aspect of a phone12:26
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GameraI've had to put up with a normal android keyboard, and the "linux lite" aspect of android12:26
Gamerawhich I don't give a fuck about to be honest.12:26
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GameraI have two of these, with no simcards, but wondering what I can do with them12:27
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deepy\lettuceYou can sell them12:29
GameraI don't relaly bother selling things12:29
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sicelomine is my main device. i do everything with it13:12
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sixwheeledbeast^same here.13:26
xes"i do everything"... sadly it stops in front of pages like: https://www.kernel.org13:31
Wizzupyou can run mainline linux and xfce on it13:31
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sicelotrue xes. 'everything' in a relative way :-)13:42
sicelowut! my n900 opened that one :-/13:42
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Sicelo009Nunless i missed something?14:06
bencohI get a "connection interrupted"14:07
bencohbecause of TLS I suppose14:07
bencohSicelo009N: I wonder if you're not behind a proxy that mitm ssl connections as well14:08
bencohyou should check certificate14:08
siceloah yes i was at that time14:11
sicelodman work network14:11
bencohunfortunately that's quite common14:12
sicelobut' it's still working even on my mobile operator14:12
bencohwhich reminds me ... we could actually do something about that tls issue without backporting a recent nss into browserd14:12
bencohone could use a local embedded proxy (running on n900)14:13
bencohbuilt against a recent libssl14:13
Sicelo009Nit is definitely opening on mine somehow and now i'm ont behind any mitm (unless now my cell-op is doing the mitm)14:14
Sicelo009Nor let me clear cache14:15
Sicelo009Ncert is Gandhi14:16
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sicelothat's a nice idea though bencoh14:20
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sicelowell my n900 still opens it after clearing cache. i give up14:22
err0r3o3i h14:30
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err0r3o3i use one as main cellphone, and another one as "terminal"14:31
err0r3o3with debian 3G data and ssh14:31
sicelo(will reboot n900 and test again)14:34
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err0r3o3  I get a "connection interrupted" too14:38
err0r3o3 works14:38
siceloah, could be that then.14:39
err0r3o3but cant download anything because ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap14:41
sicelotried it on pc .. redirects to seemingly14:41
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err0r3o3someone running arch linux on n900?15:22
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err0r3o3spent the last week to get it working and failed..15:25
err0r3o3u-boot doesn't find my uImage15:25
Gamerawhat would arch linux do for the n90015:27
buZzrape and pilage15:28
buZzits arrrrrrrrrrrrg linux15:28
GameraI run that as my main OS15:29
Gamerajust because the other ones suck more than it does15:29
Gamerathere seem to be fewer rules15:29
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err0r3o3pacman , my package manager of joice15:31
err0r3o3the kiss principle15:31
Gameraarch doesn't do that15:31
err0r3o3its just my favorite linux distro15:31
sicelohaha, 'rape and pilage' :-D15:41
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Gameraas much as a linux distro can do that16:40
Gamerawhich is none at all16:40
bencohiirc some people eventually succeeded in running arch on n90016:45
bencohand uboot unable to find uImage doesn't sound like such a big issue16:46
Wizzuperr0r3o3_: pacman is KISS? weird16:50
Wizzupeither way, you change your uboot menu?16:50
Gameranothing about arch is kiss16:56
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parazydarch linux? i thought it was quite simple17:42
NeKit<Wizzup> you can run mainline linux and xfce on it - on N900?17:42
parazydfreemangordon, Wizzup: tomorrow we have a video conference with the devuan devs17:43
parazydi hope to figure out the shit17:43
WizzupNeKit: why not17:44
parazydyou're welcome to join in17:44
parazyd22:30 our time17:44
parazyd20:30 utc17:45
WizzupI'm too sick, infection of the lungs17:45
parazydoh crap17:45
err0r3o3_yes i changed my u-boot menu and updated it, also run sdboot doesn't work..17:48
err0r3o3_i compiled the stable kernel from with dts17:49
err0r3o3_should i better try the 4.9 from pali?17:50
bencohthis is completely unrelated to uboot not finding it, but still17:52
DocScrutinizer05note that N900-dts in mainline is basically unmaintained since nobody but freemangordon and/or pali will do anything about it afaik18:04
DocScrutinizer05so Pali's version of kernel is better any day18:05
bencohDocScrutinizer05: and sre18:05
DocScrutinizer05he still looks into N900?18:06
bencohafaict he still posts / acks stuff related to n900 hw to lkml18:07
bencoh for instance18:07
bencoh(and pavel, too)18:07
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xesanyone using riot?
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: actually dts in mainline is maintained19:13
DocScrutinizer05by you and pali, I guess :-)19:13
DocScrutinizer05ot saying that's bad, just that nobody else takes care, afaik19:14
freemangordonwrong, see
freemangordonit is not only me and pali19:14
freemangordonsebastian and pavel are doing most of the work on it lately19:14
DocScrutinizer05ugh, nope, Linus Torvalds? I guess I have no idea what I'm looking at19:15
freemangordonthis is today's linux master19:15
DocScrutinizer05committer: Linus19:16
freemangordonthis is linus pulling some other tree19:16
DocScrutinizer05yeah, nevermind I have no clue about git19:16
freemangordonhe is the only one with rights to push in master branch afaik19:17
DocScrutinizer05I just seem to understand that doesn't tell me who's contributing to N900 branch specifically19:18
freemangordonthere is no "n900 branch"19:18
freemangordonthis is linux kernel master branch19:18
DocScrutinizer05made my point I guess19:19
bencohindeed ;p19:19
freemangordonbut for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus
freemangordonmaybe I missed your point, however my point was that it is not only me and Pali :)19:19
freemangordonerr0r3o3_: you'd better use mainline kernel tree19:20
bencohfreemangordon: why?19:20
freemangordonu-boot unable to find the uImage has nothing to do with the kernel version itself19:20
DocScrutinizer05LOL for sure not19:21
freemangordonbencoh: because there is nothing on Pali's tree needed by upstream distros and it has "hacks" neede by maemo which may interfere19:21
bencohI thought it included unmergeable/not-yet-merged patches as well?19:22
freemangordonupstream has even bluetooth and cameras, how functional is another story, but still :)19:22
DocScrutinizer05while we're at it, how would I actually check who committed to a particular file in git?19:22
freemangordonbencoh: it contains, but those are neede by maemo19:22
bencohDocScrutinizer05: git log19:22
DocScrutinizer05web git ;-P19:23
freemangordonuse "log"19:23
DocScrutinizer05and then find or what?19:23
DocScrutinizer05ooh you say actually has edits to that particular file only?19:23
freemangordon(19,19,20) freemangordon: but for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus
freemangordonparazyd: good, I hope we'll have some concrete outcome, even negative19:26
DocScrutinizer05still lost when looking at  seems it's only unrelated edits19:26
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no, look at diffstat down the page19:27
freemangordonbencoh: whatever possible from pali's tree was already upstreamed19:28
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* DocScrutinizer05 shudders thinking of dts patches for Neo90019:29
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freemangordonbencoh: ah, while you;re here - do you plan to package libplayback, or I should do it? I am not pushing, but asking to know how to plan my time :)19:30
DocScrutinizer05though it's meant to be as hw-compatible as it gets, we have quite a few new things in there19:30
bencohI'm terribly sorry about it, I should've updated you on friday - didn't have a moment19:30
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: how would kernel(?) decide which DTS (???) is the right one to use, IOW how does kernel know which device it's running on?19:31
freemangordonno need to sorry, I am overloaded as well so it is understandable. So I assume you won;t have time and I will have to do it, right?19:31
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: in case of n900 you "attach" dtb to the kernel zImage19:32
DocScrutinizer05oooh good, so simple and straight forward19:32
DocScrutinizer05outright easy19:32
freemangordonfor devices where bootloader supports DT, DTB is passed by bootloader to the kernel, afaik19:32
DocScrutinizer05now neo900 DTS 'only' needs new sensors and a few changed switches19:33
freemangordonand a new CPU and memory and flash description :)19:33
DocScrutinizer05new LEDs19:33
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that too19:33
DocScrutinizer05though that's pretty much same as GTA0419:34
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DocScrutinizer05so Nikolaus should already have accomplished all that19:34
freemangordonmaybe it is better to ruse GTA04 DTS19:34
DocScrutinizer05merge, somegow19:34
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bencohfreemangordon: I wouldn't build on me doing it, yeah :/19:39
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: as far as mainlining the neo900 dts goes it's going to be its own dts file20:23
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err0r3o3ok, arch is running now with the mainline kernel22:33
err0r3o3this time i build on a debian machine22:33
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: merlin1991: what do you DTS guys need to create the Neo900 DTS? I probably can already provide everything needed23:35
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DocScrutinizer05except for a real test platform, which will take a "few weeks" longer until we got some23:36
DocScrutinizer05I guess what you need is I2C/whatever address and exact type of sensor/actor chip?23:38
DocScrutinizer05plus the DTS of latest (huge-RAM, DM3730) GTA0423:40
DocScrutinizer05btw we finally decided to use original N900 kbd concept (kbd matrix scanner of TWL4030), so the new dedicated matrix scanner chip will be in Neo900 proto_v2 only23:42
DocScrutinizer05one less new driver/DTS patch needed23:42
DocScrutinizer05for final Neo90023:43
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