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| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: repo fremantle-1.2 been mirrored from fremantle back when fremantle-1.3 rolled out but wasn't compatible for a very few apps. Fremantle-1.3 been created as a symlink to (rolling) fremantle, so eventually we could do same as fremantle-1.2 for 1.3 when 1.4 would come. Now the crux: prolly during server migration when maemo ownership was transferred to community, it seems the fremantle-1.3 symlink was converted to a copy (that's what | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | happens when you don't do rsync but wget or the like to get an image of a server). So odds are nowadays fremantle-1.3 and fremantle are not in sync anymore, and it's basically up to anybody's guess which of them is the more recent one - until somebody fixes that issue. Maybe I'm wrong and somebody already did fix it | 02:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc it was fixed | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then there mustn't be a difference between http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz and the fremantle-1.3 equivalent | 02:23 |
| freemangordon | is there? | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see above | 02:23 |
| * freemangordon checks on stage | 02:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | diff <(wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz) <(wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1,3/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz) ? | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ('synthesized' the second URL) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway temporary "corruptions" of Packages.* are also not unheard of | 02:26 |
| freemangordon | on the server, /var/repository/live/extras-devel/live/ fremantle-1.3 is a symlink to fremantle | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there must be a race in autobuilder somewhere | 02:26 |
| freemangordon | it is rsynced | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh wait | 02:27 |
| freemangordon | afaik, ofc :) | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rsync missing a --delete-after or somesuch? | 02:27 |
| freemangordon | no idea, it was a while I looked at the scripts | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not as lonfg as me | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I faintly recall BFS-mounts that gave me headache | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFS* | 02:28 |
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| freemangordon | I can;t even recall where those scripts were located, and I am too tired to look for them now :) | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while in theory I could, I don't touch that stuff anymore since that would make some people angry or nervous | 02:29 |
| freemangordon | rsync -avogq --delete /var/repository/staging/${suite}/pool/${dist}/ /var/repository/live/${suite}/pool/${dist}/ | 02:31 |
| freemangordon | rsync -avogq --delete /var/repository/staging/${suite}/dists/${dist}/ /var/repository/live/${suite}/dists/${dist}/ | 02:31 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am going to have some sleep | 02:32 |
| freemangordon | night | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! lemme try to find out what's missing, some option should make rsync do a bulk-rename of all copied files *after* the copy completed, instead of file-by-file | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | --delete-after is part of it afaik | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -avogq really now? seems -v and -q are contradicting | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and -a implies go | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X) | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so -avogq is the same as -avq or even as -aq | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/--delete/--delay-updates --delete-after/ | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe also --delete-delay | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while that doesn't eliminate the window for race condition, it reduces its 'size' from several minutes or even hours to a few seconds | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch out for storgae size though, it requires more for temporary files | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually for all new / changed files, on top of all that's already there | 03:43 |
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| Oksanaa | Dust... Okay, I don't like python2.7 (I think that it doesn't properly advertise to python that it has 2.7 available now, besides 2.5), so I am converting firefox_decrypt.py (for displaying MicroB's passwords) to be compatible with python 2.5 (hopefully, without losing compatibility with later versions of python). | 04:18 |
| Oksanaa | And, it turns out that it would depend not only on python, but also on python-argparser and some kind of json (python-simplejson doesn't seem to work for it...) | 04:19 |
| Oksanaa | And, I hope that "xyz %s" % (variable) works in newer python, because "xyz {}".format(variable) doesn't work in older python | 04:35 |
| Maxdamantus | That `(variable)` bit seems suspicious .. is it meant to be `(variable,)`? | 04:38 |
| Oksanaa | Okay, no idea how this one website manages to remember my login... because it's not in the list of remembered passwords. Maybe, 1year-valid cookies | 04:38 |
| Maxdamantus | the former will probably work if `variable` is not iterable, the latter should always work. | 04:38 |
| Oksanaa | Maxdamantus: Nay, definitely without commas | 04:38 |
| Maxdamantus | Seems weird having the brackets then. | 04:39 |
| Oksanaa | Cannot be too sure about shape of brackets, because I use minimum font size in XTerminal. Sometimes it's like "xyz {0}".format(variable) | 04:39 |
| Oksanaa | Anyway, it worked now. Next steps: dump modified firefox_decrypt.py somewhere (it depends on python-argparse and python-simplejson), write down my passwords somewhere, move the password database file elsewhere (because MicroB doesn't actually seem to remember them), try to get MicroB remember a password (and display it in chrome://passwordmanagerso | 04:41 |
| Oksanaa | mething) | 04:41 |
| Oksanaa | Jolted down the passwords in my Notes document. Extremely unsafe, that's for sure ;-) | 04:54 |
| Maxdamantus | Probably safer than storing them in a browser, since that's where people are going to look for passwords. | 05:36 |
| Maxdamantus | unless there's some sort of master password. | 05:36 |
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| sicelo | so yes, 3G problem on N900 is mostly ISP, although clearly N900 modem doesn't handle the situation as well as other phones do (SGS4 for example) | 09:52 |
| sicelo | s/on/on my/ | 09:53 |
| infobot | sicelo meant: so yes, 3G problem on my N900 is mostly ISP, although clearly N900 modem doesn't handle the situation as well as other phones do (SGS4 for example) | 09:53 |
| sicelo | the 3G works a bit better during the daytime than in the evening | 09:56 |
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| Vajb | sicelo: time to pester ur service provider ;) | 10:09 |
| Vajb | sicelo: and im pestering my irssi provider. Perl script that used to work doesn't work anymore. | 10:10 |
| sicelo | i also think maybe the other phone 'cheat' - android being more chatty compared to maemo | 10:10 |
| Vajb | i saw someone else having same problem and he traced it to ur version being compiled against wrong perl version | 10:11 |
| sicelo | halftux it was. unfortunately i was busy with reflashing .. i never got a chance to read/understand the problem | 10:16 |
| sicelo | i'm also away from my machine | 10:16 |
| sicelo | but i wonder if it's wrong perl version .. we used scratcbox & autobuilder ... | 10:16 |
| Vajb | i wouldn't know. Only thing i do know is that script.pl that used to work with old version, does not with new :) | 10:18 |
| Vajb | but not a big problem since it was just "vibrate on highlight, if not away" | 10:19 |
| sicelo | halftux was going to look at it further ... but i could maybe also investigate over the weekend. which script is it | 10:19 |
| sicelo | tbh i don't use scripts at all :p | 10:20 |
| Vajb | i think u r better of just testing any script. This one is just ugle hack'n'slash till it works by me | 10:20 |
| Vajb | also i noticed a thing with telegram purple. It seems to crash if i lose connection while it tries to send message | 10:22 |
| freemangordon | sicelo: afaik, android browser preloads pages linked from the currently loaded page | 10:24 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect for me N900 is fairly chatty, and I get those disconnections too. | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | well, dunno if it's more frequent than most. | 10:25 |
| freemangordon | n900 being chatty? I doubt | 10:25 |
| sicelo | definitely not chatty n900 - uses least data when idle | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | I run an ssh session all day attached to tmux that shoes the current time. | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | so it's updating at least once a minute. | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | probably more frequently than that because of keepalives. | 10:26 |
| Maxdamantus | (it's also by default always looking at the (status) window in irssi, so will see some of the window numbers changing colour occasionally) | 10:30 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: still, iphbd will keep radio wakeups at minimum | 10:31 |
| Maxdamantus | So you're saying the TCP messages would be held by my ISP for long periods of time? | 10:32 |
| Maxdamantus | and they're sending the TCP ACKs themselves? | 10:33 |
| freemangordon | no, what I say is that iphbd tries to "gather" outgoing packets so to not wake-up radio for every single packet. | 10:34 |
| Maxdamantus | Right, I suspect most of the activity is incoming though. | 10:35 |
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| Sicelo009N | the lag so terrible .. even typing in ssh session does not work ok :-( | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: my usual fix: ping -s8 google.com | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | keeps radio active, lag == minimal | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: look at https://github.com/community-ssu/iphb-dkms/blob/master/iphb.c | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | but of course it's best to choose some first hop ip in your isp range | 10:37 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: who sends keepalives to the device and at what interval? | 10:38 |
| Sicelo009N | max - by 'chatty' - i mean't traffic particularly at idle. droids connect to too many things and silencing them completely is not trivial | 10:38 |
| sicelo | still :-) | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | ...if possible at all | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: still, worth a try ;) | 10:39 |
| Sicelo009N | i've done that before. doesn't help | 10:39 |
| Sicelo009N | the network is just bad (quality-wise). | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | bad droids, bad. | 10:40 |
| Maxdamantus | freemangordon: I'm not actually sure there are any keepalives going to the device, since there's always activity at least once a minute and I think keepalives are generally set to something infrequent in openssh. | 10:40 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: so, what happens, most probably, is that usually you have radio wake-up only once a minute for a second or so and all the chatter is done within that second. | 10:42 |
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| * Maxdamantus wonders how to show the keepalive for a current connection. | 10:42 | |
| freemangordon | tcpdump | 10:42 |
| Maxdamantus | There should be a way to introspect the socket rather than monitoring a TCP dump. | 10:43 |
| Maxdamantus | I know the pid and fd. | 10:43 |
| freemangordon | no idea of any other way | 10:44 |
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| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: also, what is the problem with tcpdump? | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | ethereal ? or whatever it's called now | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | or nettop | 10:47 |
| Sicelo009N | Vajb: i see the scripts problem. ugly | 10:47 |
| freemangordon | wireshark :) | 10:47 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: but that's UI yoiu can use to inspect pcps from tcpdum | 10:47 |
| freemangordon | *you | 10:47 |
| freemangordon | omg | 10:48 |
| * freemangordon heads to the coffee machine | 10:48 | |
| * freemangordon hopes the second coffee will improve his typing skills | 10:50 | |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: use -o option of netstat | 10:53 |
| Vajb | Sicelo009N: nevertheless it used to work ;) | 10:57 |
| Maxdamantus | freemangordon: thanks. | 10:58 |
| Maxdamantus | keepalive (744.41/0/0) | 10:58 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders if that means 744 seconds | 10:58 | |
| Maxdamantus | Oh, it's counting down. | 10:59 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, so 691 seconds until teh next keepalive. | 10:59 |
| Maxdamantus | Usually it will probably be higher, but I detached it from tmux when I got home. | 10:59 |
| Maxdamantus | Seems to actually be 7200 seconds. | 11:00 |
| Maxdamantus | 2 hours | 11:01 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: that's system default | 11:02 |
| Sicelo009N | Vajb: i'll dig up halftux comment | 11:04 |
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| Maxdamantus | freemangordon: hm, so it is. I thought it was more frequent than that. | 11:06 |
| Sicelo009N | Vajb: what is your perl version? | 11:07 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: yep, not that chatty :) . | 11:07 |
| Sicelo009N | :-) | 11:08 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: could you give me the link to mce brightness thread on TMO as it seems I lost the browser tab somehow. I need it to put it in the mce changelog | 11:08 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/community-ssu/mce/commit/88a69e02c61e24aa272e1f63971e03424c051b09 | 11:25 |
| freemangordon | I will run it on my device for a while, if everything is ok, will put the fixewd package in cssu-devel | 11:26 |
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| Vajb | Sicelo009N: actually it seems i have none installed. How it can be? | 11:36 |
| Vajb | i have candidate 5.8.3 available, should i install? | 11:36 |
| Vajb | i think i never had it and still earlier version worked | 11:37 |
| Vajb | maybe problem lies somewhere else? | 11:37 |
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| sicelo | Vajb: perl-base ... should have it | 11:56 |
| Vajb | sicelo: 5.8.3 installed | 12:13 |
| Vajb | Installed: 5.8.3-3osso13+0m5 | 12:14 |
| Sicelo009N | ok. same as halftux and myself .. i wonder what version is in autobuilder (and which one i have in SB .. will check mine in the evening) | 12:19 |
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| ShadowJK | netstat -ta sometimes shows timers like keepalive | 12:48 |
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| Sicelo009N | Vajb: i've compared the earlier irssi i had compiled with this latest one. for some weird reason the new one doesn't have the perl modules which should get saved in /usr/lib/perl .. will have to look at the compile options again | 12:58 |
| Sicelo009N | at least now i know exactly what's wrong. fixing is a different story :-) | 12:59 |
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| Vajb | sicelo: could those be symlinked or moved to right places? | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1388368 | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-11-23.log.html#t2013-11-23T06:20:48 | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2017-06-05.log.html | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: can you send me the binary? | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dreamer: tcpdump? tshark! | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, dreamer! freemangordon^^^ | 13:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 also sips his coffee | 13:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tshark is the CLI version / remote-frontend for wireshark | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wireshark also can read tcpdump pcap dumps, but remote control works best with tshark | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/tshark.html | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24871861 could need an urgent update :-/ | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 13:58 |
| infobot | methinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/tshark/ | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TShark 1.12.10 (Git Rev Unknown from unknown) Copyright 1998-2016 Gerald Combs is what my PC has | 14:00 |
| * L29Ah failed to communicate with old tshark so he used tcpdump piped over ssh | 14:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and *shark sure as hell seen quite some security fixes | 14:00 |
| L29Ah | wireshark can consume stdin | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | @all: whoever is looking for getting his hands dirty with easy package building and maintenance: tshark is a fine candidate | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: yes, I know | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tshark just has more convenient syntax/filters | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Without any options set, TShark will work much like tcpdump. It will use the pcap library to capture traffic from the first available network interface and displays a summary line on stdout for each received packet.<< | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw a pity I only installed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84753 saera yesterday first time ever | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | installs just fine via HAM, imcl al dependencies | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaikt | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/k/c/ | 14:16 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: afaict | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73753&highlight=wireshark | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wireshark -k -i <(ssh -l root IroN900 tshark -w - -i phonet0 ) | 14:22 |
| L29Ah | i mean, modern wireshark can communicate with a remote stub to avoid moving around lots of data in case only a portion is filtered out at the ui | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that remote stub being tshark, no? | 14:25 |
| L29Ah | now i'm not sure | 14:27 |
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| L29Ah | ok it cannot do this, man sshdump(1) suggests it's as dumb as a pipe | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sshdump? https://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/ | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | weird, why is the manpage missing? https://github.com/wireshark/wireshark/blob/master/doc/sshdump.pod | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I fail to see the advantage of sshdump over a simple wireshark -i <(ssh host tshark), rather it looks terribly complicated | 14:54 |
| L29Ah | yeah | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui it creates a virtual local interface mirroring a remote interface which wireshark can dump from | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe needed for wireshark on windoof? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, it wouldn't even work on windoze | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway any brave soul taking maintainership of http://maemo.org/packages/view/wireshark/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/tshark/ would earn eternal positive karma :-) | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since particularly tshark is CLI only, and the package already exists, an update should be a matter of 'minutes' without much if any patching needed | 15:02 |
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| Wikiwide | Darn... Went to firefox_decrypt.py on Github. It's already a different (somewhat) file. Okay, so I went and edited this different file again (three main points: with statement, Exception as e, and str.format()). Tested it on device, added fourth point (argparser and --version). Works on Python 2.5, send pull request. Tests... Fail 11 out of 16. One of 11 failed is actually --version, which requires research into argparser capabilitie | 15:42 |
| Wikiwide | s with Python 2.5 | 15:42 |
| Wikiwide | And on the way, added simplejson and argparser into python's list of requirements (no idea whether it's interacting with debian packages; does pip inform dpkg when yet another python dependency gets installed, or are the pip-installed dependencies "invisible" to dpkg and apt?) | 15:47 |
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| sicelo | ~bme | 16:21 |
| infobot | hmm... bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME | 16:21 |
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| sicelo | ~bme-replacement | 16:36 |
| infobot | i heard bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93183 | 16:36 |
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| sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: did you try out the permissions issue for cutenews? i can reproduce it on a fresh install | 21:58 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sicelo: I changed it but I can't recall what wasn't working | 23:00 |
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