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| sicelo | well reflashing didn't help with my 3G issue. oddly, my 2nd N900 which *has* defect modem (intermittent) can use 3G without a problem. Internet is also not too good on 3G, but at least i have reception | 00:08 |
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| sicelo | no backups restored on either device. (and no thumb/kp, etc.) | 00:09 |
| sicelo | anyway | 00:09 |
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| L29Ah_ | xes: | 10:12 |
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| APic\splat | Hi | 10:19 |
| APic\splat | My N900 works fine when powered up, but when it is off and i plug in the Charger, it reboots endlessly | 10:19 |
| APic\splat | What do i need to reflash to keep my System intact? | 10:20 |
| APic\splat | (But actually i made a Backup with Backupmenu, so it would be enough to keep MyDocs…) | 10:20 |
| xes | L29Ah: ? | 10:23 |
| Maxdamantus | APic\splat: I have a feeling that might be to do with backupmenu itself, though I'm not familiar with it. | 10:24 |
| Maxdamantus | I think I just remember realising at some point that my boot process behaved strangely because of backupmenu. | 10:25 |
| APic\splat | Maxdamantus: But it charged fine for several Months now | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | you have a virus | 10:25 |
| APic\splat | Ok | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | APic\splat: well, it doesn't normally stay off indefinitely while charging. | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | APic\splat: it usually boots into an "act dead" mode. | 10:25 |
| APic\splat | Probably i have Bitrot 😉 | 10:25 |
| sicelo | then you reflash roofs | 10:25 |
| APic\splat | I know | 10:25 |
| APic\splat | ktnx | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | or you have installed something and it only showed up recently | 10:26 |
| APic\splat | Whatever | 10:26 |
| Maxdamantus | afaik, it will only charge at 100 mA or something when powered off, so the hardware automatically boots and the software then pretends it's off while it charges at a normal rate. | 10:26 |
| * APic\splat will go jogging now | 10:26 | |
| APic\splat | And later try reflashing rootfs | 10:26 |
| APic\splat | If You Gals/Guys will not come up with a better Hint 😉 | 10:26 |
| APic\splat | Thanks | 10:26 |
| * APic\splat & | 10:26 | |
| KotCzarny | try removing bm then | 10:27 |
| APic\splat | Will that Process automagically reflash rootfs? | 10:28 |
| APic\splat | cul8r | 10:28 |
| Maxdamantus | Removing backupmenu with apt won't reflash. | 10:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Though maybe you've got a different idea of what reflashing is. | 10:29 |
| sicelo | backupmenu doesn't flash anything at all. u-boot does | 10:29 |
| Maxdamantus | u-boot reflashes? O_o | 10:30 |
| Maxdamantus | Oh, you mean installing u-boot. | 10:30 |
| sicelo | i mean that installing/uninstalling u-boot involves flashing of a kernel | 10:30 |
| * Maxdamantus really hates that idea. | 10:31 | |
| * Maxdamantus has avoided installing kernels/uboot through apt. | 10:31 | |
| KotCzarny | power kernel without bm/uboot is fine | 10:31 |
| Maxdamantus | The proper thing to do would be for apt to install something that *then* lets you flash. | 10:31 |
| Maxdamantus | eg, apt-get install flasher uboot && flasher uboot-20170615 | 10:32 |
| Maxdamantus | Should be something like that. | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | i just hope that uninstalling pk rewrites proper kernel there | 10:32 |
| Maxdamantus | It might already be, dunno. I've always just flashed them manually over USB. | 10:32 |
| Maxdamantus | I hope that uninstalling a package *DOESN'T* rewrite a kernel. | 10:32 |
| Maxdamantus | It should only rewrite a kernel if you run a command that indicates you want to rewrite a kernel. | 10:33 |
| Maxdamantus | Flashing shouldn't be performed at the mercy of a package manager. | 10:33 |
| Maxdamantus | How would it even know what to rewrite back? | 10:34 |
| Maxdamantus | It's not like the packages are maintained as a stack of operations. | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | yup it should depend on some kernel-manager package | 10:34 |
| sicelo | well .. it doesn't flash. it calls flasher/softupd, whatever. | 10:34 |
| Maxdamantus | apt-get install power-kernel && apt-get install uboot && apt-get remove uboot | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | and all packages that want to write in the bootloader are should depend on it | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | but someone would have to write such app | 10:35 |
| sicelo | apt doesn't flash itself | 10:35 |
| Maxdamantus | and the user should actually invoke the app, not the package manager. | 10:35 |
| Maxdamantus | The package manager should only install it, not flash. | 10:35 |
| sicelo | it does ask for confirmation .. | 10:35 |
| Maxdamantus | tbh, I really hate the way Debian handles this sort of stuff just on a normal system. | 10:36 |
| Maxdamantus | I have to keep backups of my grub configuration because occasionally when running `apt-get upgrade` it will just rewrite over my manually written one. | 10:37 |
| Maxdamantus | and afaict, there's no clean way to disable that automatic updating behaviour. | 10:37 |
| sicelo | package manager does not flash at all. you cn install a kernel and not allow the flasher process to go through (n900) | 10:37 |
| Maxdamantus | Good. | 10:38 |
| Maxdamantus | I wish upgrading grub on a normal debian system behaved like that. | 10:38 |
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| APic\splat | It is still charging | 11:37 |
| APic\splat | (Or at least it pretends that 😉) | 11:37 |
| APic\splat | So first Thing i will try, deinstall BackupMenu | 11:38 |
| APic\splat | If that does not help, reflash root… | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | and maybe reinstall power kernel? | 11:38 |
| sicelo | backupmenu is definitely going to not have any effect. | 11:41 |
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| APic\splat | Ok | 11:43 |
| APic\splat | Then just reinstall Kernel-Power | 11:43 |
| * APic\splat hopes is has gotten no Hardware-Defect in the Charging-Circuit? | 11:43 | |
| APic\splat | It is powered on now, and on Computer-USB | 11:44 |
| APic\splat | Will it charge faster on direct Power-Outlet? | 11:44 |
| sicelo | yes. wall charger alwys best | 11:45 |
| APic\splat | Good | 11:45 |
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| APic\splat | Ah | 11:47 |
| APic\splat | Now the Light is green | 11:47 |
| APic\splat | Charged 🙌 | 11:47 |
| * APic\splat goes to Shower and will then try reinstall Kernel-Power | 11:47 | |
| APic\splat | Actually i do not need Kernel-Power anymoar at all currently | 11:47 |
| APic\splat | Because i got a Nexus-5X to tether | 11:47 |
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| Maxdamantus | I doubt it has to do with kernel-power | 11:48 |
| APic\splat | ☹ | 11:49 |
| Maxdamantus | sicelo: why would it have no effect? afair it has an effect on the boot process. | 11:49 |
| APic\splat | Probably need to reflash rootfs at Minimum, yah | 11:49 |
| * Maxdamantus can't remember exactly what it did. | 11:49 | |
| KotCzarny | since you are going to reflash anyway, you can try anything | 11:49 |
| Maxdamantus | I remember for me it had some undesirable behaviour WRT whether the slide was in or out. I had never actually used it for anything. | 11:53 |
| Maxdamantus | Seems like the sort of thing that would mess up the "act dead" mechanism. | 11:53 |
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| Maxdamantus | Yeah, looking at preinit, the "act dead" mechanism involves running init with a different runlevel. | 11:56 |
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| Maxdamantus | so if you've got something that happens before init, which aiui is what backupmenu does, that could interfere. | 11:57 |
| Maxdamantus | ACT_DEAD) def_runlevel=5 | 11:57 |
| Maxdamantus | actually, it's bootmenu that's the thing that runs on boot, not backupmenu. | 12:01 |
| Maxdamantus | which I think is meant to kind of go together with backupmenu. | 12:02 |
| APic\splat | KotCzarny: True | 12:06 |
| Maxdamantus | imo try uninstalling bootmenu, or just moving /bootmenu.sh to have a different name. | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | also, kp reinstall might overwrite uboot anyway | 12:07 |
| Maxdamantus | mv /bootmenu.sh /notbootmenu.sh | 12:07 |
| Maxdamantus | Then preinit won't be able to find it. | 12:07 |
| APic\splat | Maxdamantus: Okay, i will try that first | 12:08 |
| Maxdamantus | Hmm .. although it looks like preinit will only execute bootmenu.sh if the slide is open. Do you know if you have the issue if the slide is closed? | 12:10 |
| APic\splat | I think i have the Loop with both Slide open and closed | 12:11 |
| APic\splat | Powered it down now and attached Charger | 12:11 |
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| APic\splat | It is still looping. ☹ | 12:13 |
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| APic\splat | And i still get an U-Boot-Boot-Menu with Slide open | 12:13 |
| APic\splat | U-Boot is something else than bootmenu.sh, eh? | 12:13 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes. | 12:13 |
| APic\splat | Yup, bootmenu is the BackupMenu | 12:14 |
| APic\splat | This one does not show now | 12:14 |
| APic\splat | So what to try next? Uninstall Kernel-Power? | 12:14 |
| Maxdamantus | Do you have fbcon loaded when booting? | 12:14 |
| APic\splat | Uh | 12:14 |
| APic\splat | Looks like it | 12:14 |
| * APic\splat sees the Penguin-Logo | 12:14 | |
| * APic\splat will move bootmenu.sh back | 12:15 | |
| Maxdamantus | Do you see text scrolling down while booting? | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | penguin? what penguin? o.O | 12:15 |
| APic\splat | Maxdamantus: Yes | 12:15 |
| APic\splat | KotCzarny: The Linux-Penguin, Dude!@ | 12:15 |
| APic\splat | -@ | 12:15 |
| bencoh | tux! | 12:15 |
| APic\splat | Yup | 12:15 |
| APic\splat | But when booting into Charge-Mode, the Display is not lit | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | i see no penguins on my n900, you must be hallucinating :P | 12:15 |
| Maxdamantus | From the kernel, not from u-boot. | 12:16 |
| APic\splat | So i only see a very faint Penguin then | 12:16 |
| APic\splat | And cannot make out the Kernel-Messages | 12:16 |
| Maxdamantus | u-boot seems to show Tux. I don't think kernel-power does. | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | use flashlight | 12:16 |
| APic\splat | k | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | it should be enough to make it readable | 12:16 |
| * APic\splat will try to remove Kernel-Power now | 12:17 | |
| APic\splat | If it will still loop, i will try to decipher the Messages 😎 | 12:17 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect you don't have fbcon enabled and the text will just be from u-boot. | 12:17 |
| Maxdamantus | (and the penguin) | 12:17 |
| APic\splat | Probably | 12:17 |
| Maxdamantus | To enable fbcon you can add it to the `FS_MODULES` string in preinit | 12:17 |
| APic\splat | Will i see Messages instead of the ···· then? | 12:18 |
| APic\splat | Maxdamantus: Where is „preinit“ | 12:21 |
| APic\splat | Now with „kernel-power“ uninstalled it looks like it is charging without looping again when off 🙌 | 12:22 |
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| Maxdamantus | Eh, damn Intel wifi driver. | 12:25 |
| * Maxdamantus forgot to stop running hostapd on startup. | 12:26 | |
| Maxdamantus | Apparently just having my alternative N900 connect to the access point kills my system. | 12:27 |
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| sicelo | you were probably loading a kernel whose modules you did not have | 13:42 |
| sicelo | what did you install uboot, bootmenu, and backupmenu for? | 13:43 |
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| APic\splat | lol, fuck | 13:47 |
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| APic\splat | The Light was green (— fully charged), and i accidentally pulled the Trigger-Button | 13:47 |
| APic\splat | Now it cycle-loops again | 13:47 |
| APic\splat | Ah | 13:47 |
| APic\splat | no | 13:47 |
| sicelo | what button is that? | 13:47 |
| APic\splat | Ah | 13:47 |
| APic\splat | Yes | 13:47 |
| APic\splat | Fuck | 13:47 |
| APic\splat | The one at the right Side near the Audio-Jack | 13:48 |
| APic\splat | Okay, so i will finally reflash rootfs… | 13:48 |
| sicelo | and don't install uboot | 13:48 |
| sicelo | after the reflash, that is | 13:48 |
| sicelo | not that there is a proble with u-boot (i use it), but it's something y ou install for specific reasons | 13:49 |
| APic\splat | ☹ | 13:49 |
| APic\splat | ~flahser | 13:50 |
| APic\splat | ~flasher | 13:50 |
| infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 13:50 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 13:50 |
| sicelo | you can install bakupmenu (which is generally highly recommended) without instaling uboot. | 13:50 |
| APic\splat | Good | 13:50 |
| APic\splat | ~flashing-cmdline | 13:51 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing-cmdline was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ | 13:51 |
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| APic\splat | Whoah | 13:53 |
| APic\splat | Long Time no Flash | 13:53 |
| APic\splat | So „flash-it-all.sh“ will flash much moar than the rootfs, right? | 13:53 |
| * APic\splat will check http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:53 | |
| APic\splat | You don't have permission to access /Updating_the_tablet_firmware on this server. ☹ | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | download it and check the script contents | 13:53 |
| APic\splat | k | 13:54 |
| APic\splat | echo "this v3 (libusbcheck) version of $0 by default will flash the rootfs only and will NOT flash your homedir and MyDocs" | 13:56 |
| APic\splat | kkk | 13:56 |
| APic\splat | So i just need to answer right to the Question 😎 | 13:56 |
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| KotCzarny | do you need help with that? | 13:57 |
| * APic\splat does not need Help with entering „NO“, nope 😉 | 13:58 | |
| APic\splat | echo "this v3 (libusbcheck) version of $0 by default will flash the rootfs only and will NOT flash your homedir and MyDocs" | 13:59 |
| APic\splat | Wrong Paste | 13:59 |
| APic\splat | Finishing flashing... done | 13:59 |
| APic\splat | 😎 | 13:59 |
| * APic\splat crosses Thumbs | 13:59 | |
| APic\splat | Okay, booting | 14:01 |
| APic\splat | Do i need to restore my BackupMenu-Backup then? | 14:02 |
| APic\splat | Or were my Settings not flashed over? | 14:02 |
| APic\splat | And Apps, Contacts and whatever… | 14:02 |
| APic\splat | Ok, booted 🙌 | 14:06 |
| APic\splat | Seems like i need BackupMenu to restore my Stuffs now | 14:11 |
| APic\splat | Mh | 14:13 |
| APic\splat | „sudo gainroot“ says i need to activate R&D | 14:14 |
| APic\splat | But if i leech „rootsh“ i do not need to, right? | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 14:14 |
| * APic\splat will just install BackupMenu now | 14:14 | |
| APic\splat | Then my rootsh and other Apps should appear again after Restore ☺ | 14:15 |
| APic\splat | Argh | 14:15 |
| APic\splat | Missing: liblzo2-2 | 14:15 |
| APic\splat | So i guess i need a Console =] | 14:15 |
| APic\splat | Or just another Catalogue? | 14:15 |
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| APic\splat | Okay, „sudo gainroot“ works now | 14:17 |
| * APic\splat will power off and check whether it actually enters Charging-Mode without Looping now… | 14:17 | |
| APic\splat | Yup, looks good 🙌 | 14:19 |
| APic\splat | Now i will google how to solve the missing liblzo2-2 for BackupMenu… | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | could be in extras or extras-devel | 14:19 |
| APic\splat | k | 14:22 |
| APic\splat | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67866 → Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. | 14:22 |
| APic\splat | My Home-IP: 185.17.207.192 | 14:23 |
| APic\splat | ~sources | 14:23 |
| infobot | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html | 14:23 |
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| KotCzarny | apic: can you cycle your ip? assuming it's dynamic | 14:25 |
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| APic\splat | Yup | 14:25 |
| APic\splat | brb | 14:25 |
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| APic\splat | Good | 14:29 |
| APic\splat | Now the Link is working 😎 | 14:29 |
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| APic\splat | Whoah | 14:49 |
| APic\splat | Finally got liblzo2-2 installed | 14:49 |
| APic\splat | Now installing BackupMenu 😎 | 14:49 |
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| APic\splat | Restoring Backups | 14:53 |
| * APic\splat crosses Thumbs again | 14:53 | |
| APic\splat | lol | 14:54 |
| APic\splat | „gtar: ./etc/hildon-application-manager: time stamp 2019-01-06 02:52:09 is 49215459.565429794 s in the future“ | 14:54 |
| APic\splat | Errors: 3 | 14:54 |
| APic\splat | Hopefully will not happen much moar often… | 14:55 |
| APic\splat | Errors: 5 | 14:57 |
| APic\splat | But still only Timestamp-Foo… | 14:57 |
| APic\splat | yay 🙌 | 15:02 |
| APic\splat | Successfully restored | 15:02 |
| APic\splat | *purrrrrrrrrrr* 😸 | 15:02 |
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| APic\splat | Thanks to all of You who helped me out. 😎 | 15:11 |
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| sicelo | i am surprised that core maemo system does not include python. i thought that was the case | 16:00 |
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| sicelo | is there an ongoing issue with extras-devel repo? i cannot refresh it | 20:42 |
| sicelo | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 20:47 |
| sicelo | gunzip can't process that file | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | works fine on slackware | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | maybe your download was interrupted? | 20:48 |
| sicelo | please try on n900 | 20:49 |
| sicelo | i'm switching the -devel entry to 'fremantle-1.3' instead of just fremantle | 20:51 |
| sicelo | might be the solution, although according to wiki they should all be the same. | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | my n900 is charging now, btw. did gzip -d work on that file? | 20:55 |
| sicelo | already deleted it. | 20:57 |
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