IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2017-06-08

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MaxdamantusHeh .. I mentined yesterday how HFS+ does unicode normalisation and that I wondered how it handled things between systems with different versions.02:54
MaxdamantusTheir solution is actually quite simple: the normalisation is just based on a particular version of unicode: 3.2, released in 200202:55
Maxdamantusso it simply doesn't do normalisation of newer code points.02:56
Maxdamantusbecause if they did .. you'd have that major issue.02:56
Maxdamantus(not that it still has major issues)02:57
Maxdamantusdoesn't still have*03:05
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WikiwideI didn't know Maemo 2 existed:
WikiwideQuestion : what's the difference between maemopad 2.4 in Diablo and maemopad 2.6 in Fremantle?03:54
WikiwideA large difference, according to dependencies. What is libhildonhelp0?03:55
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Oksana>> If you want to work with large datasets, don't load the whole thing into memory, use something like BerkeleyDB <<
OksanaI think that Contacts uses BerkeleyDB (if I remember correctly)07:59
OksanaWould it be relevant for el-v1.db? Would it be any better than currect Sqlite3?07:59
stryngsAnyone here going to DEFCON this year?07:59
OksanaNot me. I can bet it's not in Sydney.07:59
stryngsDefinitely Not.  Las Vegas =)08:00
stryngsVIVA LAS VEGAS!08:00
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MaxdamantusIf you're trying to make a faster alternative to grep, the re2 tools released by Russ Cox that are similar to Google codesearch might help.08:12
MaxdamantusNot sure how well it does incremental updates though.08:14
MaxdamantusYou'd basically just treat chunks of a lareg log file as separate documents, and just unconditionally grep over the new stuff at the end that hasn't been indexed yet.08:15
L29Ah_ usa is kill08:42
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MaxdamantusThe tools I'm referring to.09:01
Maxdamantus(again, written by Russ Cox, who's pretty cool)09:02
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L29Ah_found a dead(?) n900 for $37, the seller says it starts to glow orange when plugged into a charger but won't boot09:48
L29Ah_i wonder if it's the battery or it's more seriously borked hardware-wise09:48
L29Ah_well, the cheapest one i could find in moscow09:48
L29Ah_the working ones are twice as expensive09:48
L29Ah_i could wait for a better offer but now i find myself lacking any projects to work on (and not willing to brick my main phone at the same time)09:49
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DocScrutinizer05>>The VACUUM command may change the ROWIDs of entries in any tables that do not have an explicit INTEGER PRIMARY KEY.<< !15:15
DocScrutinizer05((<Oksana> I think that Contacts uses BerkeleyDB)) yes, that's correct15:17
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DocScrutinizer05however you can't switch the RDBMS behind eventslogger, since... it's a blob15:18
DocScrutinizer05((it starts to glow orange when plugged into a charger)) sounds pretty much like dead battery15:19
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)15:19
DocScrutinizer05for USD 27.- you can't go wrong. Get it15:21
dmth|intevationDocScrutinizer I fear L29Ah_ did not get your hint15:25
DocScrutinizer05or they read the chanlog15:25
DocScrutinizer05or somebody tells them when they are back15:26
DocScrutinizer05((change the ROWIDs)) this may cause worse than data loss: subtle data corruption15:27
DocScrutinizer05you can't be sure Nokia didn't mess up and use row-id as a reference in their data model15:29
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DocScrutinizer05you *could* check the table definitions right from SQLite and make sure *all* tables have row-id as "explicit INTEGER PRIMARY KEY"15:31
DocScrutinizer05I however massively doubt they do15:31
DocScrutinizer05re contacts berkleydb:
DocScrutinizer05it's evolution15:34
DocScrutinizer05rather use which I think is better than mine15:36
DocScrutinizer05re el-v1.db SQL: maybe see
DocScrutinizer05though unrelated to size, just shows some SQL for that database15:42
sicelohi. i wish to respond to a mailing list message that i was not part of. there is a mailto link on the mail archive page. is there a way i can comment from mutt?15:49
siceloi asked in #mutt, but maybe someone here knows too15:52
DocScrutinizer05you need to register to the ML, I think mails form "outside" are not allowed. I guess they are kept for moderation but nobody does such moderation15:52
DocScrutinizer05unless you're talking about a ML unrelated to maemo15:53
DocScrutinizer05it's a question of ML administrative settings if mails form unregistered users are allowed, allowed by manual moderation, or plain discarded15:54
DocScrutinizer05aaah wait, you ask for the "in-reply-to" to keep the answer within the thread?. Usually not really possible15:55
siceloyes, that's what i'm asking15:55
siceloi have message id - i think editing the mail header would do - but i don't know how15:56
DocScrutinizer05keep the subject verbatim, prolly your best chance. Though some more savvy expert might know a trick15:56
DocScrutinizer05yeah, editing the "in-reply-to" and "reference(?)-ID" header fields might work15:57
DocScrutinizer05but you don't have those when you didn't receive the email from subscription15:58
DocScrutinizer05the archives don't give them away afaik15:58
DocScrutinizer05you could ask another user to forward the email to you so you could reply15:58
sicelothere is (debian ML)15:59
siceloID, that is (and of course subject) :-)16:00
DocScrutinizer05my approach would be to open a reply email to an arbitrary thread in that ML (of which I actually received the emails), then view the raw text headers and try to edit the whole thing accordingly16:01
DocScrutinizer05there's more than just ID header, I think it's "in-reply-to" or somesuch16:02
DocScrutinizer05plus I seem to recall there is some "thread-ID" or somesuch16:02
DocScrutinizer05so a canonical ML-thread-reply email has at least 3 relevant header fields16:03
DocScrutinizer05pus subject16:03
DocScrutinizer05no idea which majordomo or whatever that particular ML server uses and which header fields that thing needs16:04
DocScrutinizer05or rather, which fields the user mail clients need ;-)16:04
DocScrutinizer05it's tricky16:05
DocScrutinizer05(("sqlite vacuum" - el-v1.db is 14% smaller now)) for wikiwide it should reduce size *to* <5% of current size, or it won't suffice16:38
DocScrutinizer05the recommended way to handle stuff is to rename el-v1.db (after getting all the data from it that you know you want to keep for frequent access, by whatever means. Be it screenshots or pencil and paper worst case though the backup app supposed to do some mildly useful dump of the el-v1.db content). Then reboot immediately after renaming, to make the system re-create the db16:41
DocScrutinizer05even better: fuser --kill -KILL path/to/el-v1.db; then reboot16:44
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L29Ah_dmth|intevation: i did :p17:26
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DocScrutinizer05for 27 bucks you hardly get a spare digitizer17:41
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