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| bencoh | pagurus: could you please fix your connection? :) | 11:00 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: didn't you reverse devlock/codelock "recently"? | 11:00 |
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| freemangordon | ummm, I think so, lemme check | 11:01 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: https://github.com/community-ssu/libdevlock | 11:02 |
| bencoh | ah, thanks :) | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: though, iirc there are more modules, like https://github.com/community-ssu/codelockui | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | I am not sure that one is fully REed | 11:03 |
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| bencoh | I'd like to add an option to disable the "turn off device" dialog when clicking outside the codelock dialog | 11:05 |
| bencoh | that's probably in codelockui | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | I guess you first have to RE it completely | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | if it is not already done | 11:06 |
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| bencoh | lemme check what's already installed on my device (I haven't added your latest REed bits - afaict0 | 11:07 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: yeah, look at https://github.com/community-ssu/codelockui/blob/master/codelockui.c#L210 | 11:08 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: I can provide my IDA db | 11:08 |
| bencoh | does IDA work properly in wine? :] | 11:08 |
| bencoh | actually I'd have to download it as well | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | yes, it is ok in wine | 11:09 |
| bencoh | what is this reponse_signal supposed to do? | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | NFC :) | 11:09 |
| bencoh | :-) | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | check the source | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: it is jonwil that did most of the REing work, I added just one finction | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | *function | 11:10 |
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| bencoh | ah | 11:11 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: looking at hexrays code, it seems this function make a "secu_ib_lockcodenotchanged" note and actually changes the code in cal | 11:11 |
| bencoh | hmm, funny, there's already a response_cb which is implemented | 11:11 |
| bencoh | changes the code? | 11:11 |
| bencoh | ah, the lock code | 11:12 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 11:12 |
| freemangordon | it is pretty large function, some 100 loc | 11:12 |
| freemangordon | hmm, less | 11:12 |
| freemangordon | also, this is in hexrays, if REed properly it should be about 30-40 loc | 11:12 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: wanna IDA db? | 11:20 |
| bencoh | sure. IDA doesn't work with wine for some obscure and stupid reason here, though | 11:20 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: what "doesn't work" mean? | 11:21 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: what os and IDA version? | 11:22 |
| freemangordon | s/os/distro | 11:22 |
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| bencoh | (old)macosx, ida free 5.0, and I had to comment out a line in idagui.cfg because for some reason it failed after trying to map an invalid key | 11:23 |
| bencoh | looks like it works, eventually | 11:23 |
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| KotCzarny | can anyone ban him temporarily? | 12:35 |
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| L29Ah | who? | 12:39 |
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| KotCzarny | ^ | 12:41 |
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| L29Ah | me? | 12:42 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: jonwil joined, you may ask him re naming :) | 12:43 |
| jonwil | naming of what? | 12:43 |
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| KotCzarny | naming of the One that shouldnt be named, muahaha | 12:44 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: z prefix in your IDA decompiled functions :) | 12:47 |
| jonwil | which binary are we talking about? | 12:47 |
| freemangordon | codelockui | 12:47 |
| jonwil | Ok after checking the IDB I believe the $ functions are the ones that were cloned and the z ones are the ones that weren't fully cloned | 12:48 |
| jonwil | i.e. baring bugs the $ functions should be done | 12:49 |
| jonwil | and the z ones are the ones that need cloning still | 12:49 |
| jonwil | that's how I did it for that particular idb anyway | 12:49 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, my understanding as well, but still, it is better for you to confirm it | 12:50 |
| freemangordon | s/for you/you | 12:50 |
| freemangordon | anyway, /me is going afk for a couple of hours, bbl | 12:51 |
| jonwil | If someone is going to finish cloning codelockui, that's great :) | 12:51 |
| freemangordon | well, bencoh said he wants to implement new functionality | 12:51 |
| freemangordon | for that to happen, he needs to finish RE first | 12:51 |
| jonwil | yeah | 12:51 |
| freemangordon | however, bye | 12:51 |
| jonwil | ok | 12:52 |
| jonwil | cya | 12:52 |
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| dreamer | hmm, seems my device has issues to connect to gps. any good way to debug this? | 17:26 |
| dreamer | I tried both maps app and cloudgps | 17:26 |
| dreamer | another app that uses gps also didn't work yesterday | 17:27 |
| freemangordon | dreamer: SUPL server is dead for a month or so | 17:42 |
| freemangordon | just give it a couple of minutes and it will have lock | 17:42 |
| dreamer | freemangordon: I disabled suppl/network lock in the gps settings. should that improve performance? | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | no | 17:55 |
| sicelo | :-) will make it worse | 18:07 |
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| sicelo | oh wait? supl dead? | 18:13 |
| sicelo | seems to be working for me .. with the line '52.22.201.16 supl.nokia.com | 18:15 |
| sicelo | in /etc/hosts | 18:15 |
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| peetah | sicelo: what is this ip ? | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | probably what it resolved to before | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | still, there is a high chance that service will go down entirely | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | Organization: Amazon Technologies Inc. (AT-88-Z) | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | distributed services | 19:03 |
| peetah | KotCzarny: that's why I'm asking :) | 19:03 |
| peetah | who controls it ? and why would it be ok to use it as a replacement for supl.nokia.com ? | 19:04 |
| sicelo900-2g | it is/was supl.nokia.com :) | 19:05 |
| sicelo900-2g | and yes it works. is it safe? well ... how safe is supl.google.com? or any other? :p | 19:06 |
| sicelo900-2g | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1525029#post1525029 | 19:08 |
| sicelo900-2g | but May 15 is precariously close ... | 19:09 |
| peetah | sicelo900-2g: thanks for the tmo thread | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gps | 19:19 |
| infobot | i heard gps is http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ or qpegps.sf.net or gpsqpe.sf.net | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo gps is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1525029#post1525029 | 19:19 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gps | 19:19 |
| infobot | rumour has it, gps is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1525029#post1525029 | 19:19 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Hi all. I'm struggling with xkb, still on Debian. But I think this may be of more general interest, maybe also for Maemo and for Devuan. So I'd ask some things, if any of you may help me. Please let me know whether this be the right place. | 19:32 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | I'm having difficulties with the type PC_FN_LEVEL2, which is defined in a specific file: <xkbroot>/types/nokia. Somewhat, this file is not read by xkb. So I looked into the rules files, and although I can find the nokiarx51 model in many of them, I don't understand where the type file is referred to. | 19:53 |
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| freemangordon | why the fuck an ebay seller in Berlin wouldn't want to ship a battery to Bulgaria is beyond what I can grok :( | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: could you help with that one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PolarCell-Akku-Nokia-N97-mini-E5-00-E7-00-N8-00-BL-4D-Accu-Batterie-Battery-/370584735149#shpCntId | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what exactly do you want me to do? | 20:24 |
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| freemangordon | buy 4 of those and send them to me? | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | just asking | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | the batteries of my n950 devices died | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | and I see n950 as a viable test bed for maemo-devuan | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4? | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok, I will have some more thinking on whether to bother you with that, or just to buy original Nokia batteries from the shop next to my place | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | well, one to put in the device and one spare x2 | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ping me when you made up your mind | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | ok, thanks | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also you could simply make him send them to me instead | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll just apply a new addr sticker and forward the parcel | 20:28 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, yeah | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, you know there are nasty new regulations about LiIon shipping? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are still ways to ship those. But the nasty thing is that customs/parcel | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | service don't understand them | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they have sent back to me a N900 with battery separately packed, with the comment "device has battery inserted" - which is clearly *allowed* by the regulations (though not the way it actually was in my parcel) | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they meant "this is what your parcel does NOT comply with: battery inserted" | 20:33 |
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| freemangordon | yep, I heard, but I doubt dhl/ups don't know about them and how to comply | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they know, but packaging is the customer's job | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idiocy #1: you may send a phone with battery built in, but you may not regularly send a device with battery in same package. Though you *could* do that when you make sure it complies with obscure requirements which the checks generally assume are met by parcels from Samsung, Nokia and others, but assume are NOT met by parcels from 'nobody' like me and you, even when we explicitly state on outside that they are met | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a huge mess | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idiocy #2: they have regulations about e.g. percentage of charge for the LiIon cell for shipping (all relevant for airmail delivery) which they can't check at customs | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isiocy #2a: the customs/checks generally have no faintest clue about the technical details like WattHours of a cell, etc | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it all boils down to: you can send LiIon when your company name is sufficiently known to the carrier's checker dudes | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or when you insert he battery into an electronic device so in x-ray it doesn't show up as separate LiIon cell | 20:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 considers making PCB with 100um copper layer holding only a text "ITA-4711 compliant security package" and wrap that PCB with LiIon cell into putty | 20:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so those drones can clearly see it on their x-ray | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.dhl.ch/de/express/versand/kundenberatung/lithium_batterien.html https://www.ups.com/media/news/de/intl_lithium_battery_regulations.pdf https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2016-9-Transportvorschriften-fuer-Lithium-Ionen-Akkus-3166865.html | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you'll have to find google translate yourself :-) | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>In der Folge verweigert die Deutsche Post den Auslandsversand ALLER Akkus. Man kann also streng genommen nicht mal mehr eine Taschenlampe mit AA-Mignon-Akkus verschicken. Klasse, einfach toll.<< | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.heise.de/ct/zcontent/16/09-hocmsmeta/1461497180961019/contentimages/mue.Packanweisung.mbr_IG.jpg | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: according to http://susepaste.org/74825427 (from https://www.ups.com/media/news/de/intl_lithium_battery_regulations.pdf) they could send up to 8 Polarcell in one package when they add the right stickers to the outside, make sure SOC=30%, and pack them correctly to avoid shortcircuits and damage from drop <= 120cm height | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but you need to check Bulgaria customs regulations irrespective of IATA stuff | 21:51 |
| joga | any thoughts about this one? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/ | 21:52 |
| joga | seems pretty sleek, eventually I need to find something to replace the n900 :) | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks good | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yet to see how they solve the cellmo problem | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might find in the end that the "linux dual boot option" doesn't support phone functions | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | hmm sailfish/ubuntu OS - smells like libhybris | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or that this "linux" is as crippled and locked down like e.g. in N9 | 21:56 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer05, I guess that would be a concern... since they're saying they'll support linux I guess they must've given it some thought too | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't expect too much thought given by manufacturers. E.G jolla didn't even think about reflashing the device when it been completely nuked by whatever mishap | 21:58 |
| joga | but as long as someone produces a decent device I'm happy, hopefully some other options will be available too | 21:58 |
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| joga | doh | 21:59 |
| ravelo | I'm following this project also | 21:59 |
| joga | I don't know much about jolla myself | 21:59 |
| ravelo | according to one of the last newsposts it does not like they support calling in linux | 21:59 |
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| freemangordon | ravelo: are there any details on that "linux support"? | 22:00 |
| joga | :I | 22:00 |
| ravelo | freemangordon, I try to look it up | 22:00 |
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| joga | tbh I could live fine with a tiny phone-phone and that thing, since my use of n900 currently is 99.9% ssh anyway | 22:01 |
| ravelo | "The key device drivers that we will need are of course the screen, keyboard, memory management, battery management, WiFi and we have a commitment with our manufacturing partners’ design house to enable us to do this." | 22:01 |
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| joga | well, not necessarily fine if I couldn't get network heh | 22:01 |
| joga | but that can be arranged I guess | 22:01 |
| ravelo | others mentioned that Mediatek is not that open and has old Linux kernels | 22:02 |
| ravelo | in comments | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | ravelo: not a word about GPU drivers | 22:02 |
| ravelo | "he plan is to develop as many Linux drivers for the device in the time available to support a variety of distros" | 22:02 |
| ravelo | which for me sounds not so clear | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | and WTF is "memory management driver"? | 22:03 |
| ravelo | the reason for developing device drivers is not to support more distros | 22:03 |
| ravelo | they up to now only had the idea for the keyboard and chose mediatek | 22:04 |
| ravelo | now they did a trip to china and had some meetings | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: most recent SoC+cellmo share storage and RAM between (linux) APE CPU and modem, so they depend on 'linux' APE securely avoiding users mess with the radio stack in any way | 22:04 |
| ravelo | it looks like the boss did some successfull projects in the past, but more software than hardware | 22:05 |
| joga | sometimes I feel like buying an old 80s portable with a chunky keyboard, putting rpi with 4g in there and call it a day | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: so "memory management driver" most likely is exactly that: make sure APE has no access to radio stack to avoid hackers messing with e.g. IMEI (to start with) | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to assure system integrity on that level, they need to employ some shit like AEGIS, or more generally speaking TrustedComputing | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~trust | 22:08 |
| infobot | it has been said that trust is safe, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbS_lDJuJg | 22:08 |
| ravelo | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99022 -> discussion about gemini pda | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I wonder how MM driver and AEGIS-like stuff goes with debian or ubuntu | 22:10 |
| ravelo | maybe you should also notice that the boss joined a company as director after a crowdfunding of 500.000 EUR and up to now they don't look like they will ever ship a device (zx vega spectrum plus) | 22:10 |
| ravelo | at least up to now | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: there are aegis like projects in debian already, since ages. | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | along UEFI, secureboot, systemd, whatnot the buzzwords | 22:13 |
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| joga | ravelo, hmh, interesting.. | 22:13 |
| ravelo | joga: maybe wait until first devices ship, then buy for 399,00 | 22:33 |
| ravelo | if you are interested | 22:33 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Hey guys, anybody may help me with the question I asked at half past six? | 22:53 |
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| sicelo | did you follow the steps on wiki verbatim? | 23:03 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Let me check. | 23:04 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I could not do all the reported steps. For example, setxkbmap did not work (command not found). | 23:07 |
| sicelo | then you should install it :) | 23:10 |
| sicelo | i haven't needed to play with my mappings in a long time, but i never had a problem in debian following the wiki | 23:11 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Also with systemd running? | 23:12 |
| sicelo | no. pre-systemd times. | 23:12 |
| sicelo | i don't see what systemd has to do with this though | 23:12 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ah. As I have read around, systemd has also something to do with locales. But I may be completely wrong. | 23:14 |
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| sicelo | well i admitted that my knowledge is 'old' .. but even systemd should then set correct locale? and you adjust the correct files for your locale? i don't see where problem would be | 23:17 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I have a keyboard with two arrows. It works fine, except for the up and down arrows: instead of being fn + left and fn + right, they are shift + left and shift + right. After some investigation, I found out this is caused by xkb being unable to recognise the type "PC_FN_LEVEL2". | 23:20 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Also, I need to set up some additional symbols. E.g., ~, |, esc, ... | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regarding the "linux dualboot" >>we are exploring a number of Linux flavours. We will make a final decision in due course and will let you know. ...<< https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1524641 WTF why would I need THEM to decide *which* "Linux flavours" they allow me to install? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me they have a pretty flawed indea of what's "Linux" | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or it just means they provide a TrustedConouting solution for that thing which will turn your linux into something like Harmattan or Android, wher you can't do stuff even when you might manage to gain root access | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TrustedComputing* | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not my idea of what I want for a PDA/smartphone | 23:31 |
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| TheKit | <joga> any thoughts about this one? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/ | 23:33 |
| TheKit | <joga> seems pretty sleek, eventually I need to find something to replace the n900 :) | 23:33 |
| TheKit | if you can afford two extra inches, I would probably advice to look at GPD Pocket | 23:34 |
| TheKit | it uses Intel Atom SoC, so Linux without libhybris and manufacturer successfully did other devices before | 23:36 |
| joga | seems pretty nice too at first glance | 23:38 |
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| TheKit | <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: so "memory management driver" most likely is exactly that: make sure APE has no access to radio stack to avoid hackers messing with e.g. IMEI (to start with) | 23:46 |
| TheKit | MediaTek-based devices usually have no problems with changing IMEI to whatever value you like :) | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | My N900 had 180 days uptime | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | Then my gf unplugged it to charge her camera and 3 days later I notice | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 23:49 |
| sicelo | yay! 180. i'm at 54 (highest uptime i ever had) | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | uptime, shrooptime | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 23:44:42 up 353 days, 19:29, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | My N900 serves as backup disk space and VPN router these days. uptime is unimpressive in that. | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | mine usually dies because i neglect to charge it when low | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | so usually 5 days | 23:55 |
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| KotCzarny | sometimes up to 20-30 | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# ls -l /var/log/syslog | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 65675189 Apr 14 23:46 /var/log/syslog | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24382909 | 23:57 |
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