IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2017-04-08

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Enrico_MenottiOk, I realised I wasn't really using mainline kernel, but a particular branch devoted to the N900, on kernel.org. This didn't work with the rx51_defconfig (I could compile, but the zImage did not boot).01:44
Enrico_MenottiSo now I cloned the stable kernel, and checked out Linux-4.10.8. I tried to make both the n900.config and the omap2plus_defconfig, but neither works: I get Makefile:539: arch/arm/Makefile: No such file or directory.01:45
Enrico_MenottiSo seems there is no Makefile for arm?!?01:46
KotCzarnywhy dont just use pali's tree?02:00
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Enrico_MenottiNo particular reason. I just thought I could try with mainline, since it seems there is now support for the N900.02:10
Enrico_MenottiIn any case, I think there has been something wrong in my checkout command. It didn't check out all files, I think.02:10
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WizzupEnrico_Menotti: are you compiling on arm?02:24
Wizzupcross compilers? build tools installed? etc02:24
Enrico_MenottiThe issue I get now seems to be related to git. I don't get what happens in a particular situation I'm dealing with.02:25
Enrico_MenottiLet me explain.02:25
Enrico_MenottiI am compiling on a PC (Intel based) running Debian. It's an old laptop, so memory is limited, speed is limited, Internet access also,...02:26
Enrico_MenottiSo I cloned the .git repository on my Mac, which was easy.02:26
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Enrico_MenottiThen I checked out files to a different directory from the one where I cloned the repository, just to separate them from the archives.02:27
Enrico_MenottiThis made me able to compress just the needed files (the ones for the branch I am considering) in order to transfer them quickly to the other computer.02:27
Enrico_MenottiProbably in the process of checking out I missed something.02:27
Enrico_MenottiIn particular, I am following what is explained here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4479960/git-checkout-to-a-specific-folder.02:28
WizzupThis might not be the easiest/best task to start withl02:28
WizzupI think the devuan img contains mainline, does it not?02:29
Enrico_MenottiThe Devuan image seems to come from mainline kernel, yes.02:30
Enrico_MenottiBut I have already been able to boot that one. Now I wanted to compile my own kernel.02:30
WizzupHave you ever done that before?02:33
WizzupIf you're going to cross compile a kernel, which this seems like, it might not be the best first step. Sorry if I am making the wrong assumptions.02:33
Enrico_MenottiI have been able to compile and boot Android's kernel for the emulator.02:33
WizzupI see02:33
WizzupIn my experience the painful part is forgetting certain modules - like the platform watchdog - not so much the kernel compile02:34
Wizzupthat's really just cross compile setup, make bla_defconfig and go02:34
Enrico_MenottiFor a moment, I'd like to understand what happened with git. I tried "git --work-tree=<myoutputdir> checkout <mybranch>". This checked out only part of the files. Why?02:35
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Enrico_MenottiAnd on the answer I linked at (stackoverflow), the command is "git --work-tree=... checkout ... -- .". Why is the period at the end needed?02:36
WizzupIf you're trying to check out a tag, simply issuing 'git checkout <tagname>' should be enough in simple cases.02:37
WizzupI am not sure why you're using --work-tree instead of just git from the dir, but that's fine I guess02:38
WizzupOnly the files that are tracked will be checked out.02:38
Wizzuptime to sleep.02:38
Enrico_MenottiOk, good night. I should go to sleep as well.02:39
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Enrico_MenottiI am sure I used mainline kernel. rx51_defconfig from Pali's repository at github. Compiles, but doesn't boot. I didn't get how to use the n900.config from parazyd. Now I'll try cloning Pali's repository and using that. Maybe I'm doing something wrong in the build process.12:48
parazydyou probably are12:48
parazydwhat toolchain are you using and where are you compiling?12:48
Enrico_MenottiI'm compiling on Debian.12:49
Enrico_MenottiI'm using the arm-linux-gnueabihf toolchain.12:49
parazydand what's your make command?12:49
Enrico_Menottimake rx51_defconfig and then make zImage (with or without the -j4 option).12:50
Enrico_MenottiBy the way, how to use the n900.config?12:50
parazydyou just put it in the root of the sources12:50
parazydname it ".config"12:50
Enrico_MenottiAh, ok.12:50
Enrico_MenottiSo no make n900.config.12:51
parazydjust copy it to .config12:51
Enrico_MenottiI will try with that.12:51
parazydthen a `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- zImage modules omap3-n900.dtb` should do the trick12:52
parazydwhen done: cat arch/arm/boot/zImage arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dtb > zImage12:52
parazyd^^ that's your kernel12:52
parazydyou also need to install the according kernel modules to the sd card/image you will be using12:53
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parazydwhich would be: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path/to/n900/rootfs INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 modules_install12:54
Enrico_MenottiWhat's INSTALL_MOD_STRIP?12:54
parazydoh, and to make a uImage out of the zImage: mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n zImage -d zImage uImage12:54
Enrico_MenottiOk, I'm not using u-boot.12:55
parazydEnrico_Menotti: it strips debugging symbols, you may or may not want that12:55
Enrico_MenottiOk. So maybe my problem is that I was missing the dtb.12:55
parazydand after the modules_install, i also do a firmware_install in the same manner12:55
Enrico_MenottiWhat does the firmware_install do?12:58
Enrico_MenottiOk, I was actually missing the dtb. Now signs of life. (The kernel boots and it's a bit verbose).13:09
Enrico_MenottiNow I will try to boot the file system.13:09
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Enrico_MenottiI tried to boot the Devuan image I had already booted on Sunday. It says, as it did on Sunday, that it can't mount selinuxfs. But on Sunday after a while I got a prompt. Now it's rebooting. Maybe the kernel I compiled does not match that system image.13:28
kerioshould i buy another microsd13:35
keriothere's pretty good ones for cheap nowadays13:35
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freemangordonEnrico_Menotti: did you compile and append dtb?14:22
Enrico_MenottiYes, I did.14:22
freemangordonah, just saw it in the backscroll14:23
freemangordonyou have to copy modules to /lib/modules as well14:23
Enrico_MenottiOr install them by make?14:23
freemangordonafter installing with make, copy the resulting directory14:24
Enrico_MenottiAh ok. Right.14:24
freemangordonor yeah, use what parazyd toldya14:25
Enrico_MenottiNow my problem is: the file system I have for Devuan is ext4, so I can't mount it. I am thinking about trying with the Debian fs which I had debootstrapped some days ago. I already used dd to put it on sd card.14:26
Enrico_MenottiNow I was trying to let Maemo detect the changes in the sd card partition tables without opening the back cover. I found there is a "partprobe" command, but for that I need to install "parted". Is this available for maemo?14:27
freemangordonEnrico_Menotti: doesn't the PC you build on have USB ports?14:27
Enrico_MenottiYes, usb. Are you thinking about going to mass storage mode, etc.?14:28
freemangordonyes14:28
Enrico_MenottiOk, that's another option.14:28
Enrico_MenottiBut anyway, is there parted for Maemo?14:28
freemangordonno idea14:29
freemangordonthere is sfdisk, I think you can command it to re-read partition table14:29
Enrico_MenottiOk, let me check.14:29
Enrico_Menottisfdisk -R <device>14:38
Enrico_MenottiThis works.14:38
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Enrico_MenottiI can't believe. I have a prompt from Debian. It's very unstable - after a while it reboots. But I am already quite happy.14:45
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DocScrutinizer05there are a few watchdogs to tickle15:14
DocScrutinizer05others wake (silly!!), kick (ouch!) or pet them15:16
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Enrico_MenottiThese watchdogs are in the modules, right?15:35
ZungoHmmm15:39
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DocScrutinizer05modules?16:36
DocScrutinizer05I think one is a software watchdog in CPU, one is in TWL4030 companion chip, and one is in modem16:37
DocScrutinizer05I'm speculating here16:37
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Enrico_MenottiAnyway, I built and installed modules, and now the login is stable. However, I don't know username and password... I will look into the file system. :)16:52
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Enrico_MenottiI am unable to login. It doesn't accept "root" as a username. It accepts both "user" and "debian", but I don't know the passwords. Also, in /etc/passwd in the rootfs "root" is listed but "user" and "debian" not. ???17:09
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WizzupEnrico_Menotti: devuan? uses 'root' and 'toor' as pass18:03
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Enrico_MenottiNot Devuan, Debian. From the /etc/passwd file, seems only root is enabled as a user. But if I try with "root" as username, I'm not even allowed to enter a password.18:16
ZungoEnrico_Menotti: root is by default passwordless you need to change its password18:34
ZungoWizzup: ^18:35
Zungoeven in devuan iirc18:35
kerioit depends on the installer i think18:41
kerioif you don't create a user, you are asked a root password18:41
Zungoyeah18:48
Zungowhat if no installer?18:48
Zungothis is similar to skipping oobe in windows18:48
kerioinit=/bin/sh and passwd?18:52
keriohell, init=/bin/passwd18:52
Zungointeresting19:03
KotCzarnyOut Of Body Experience?19:11
KotCzarnywindoze can do that ? o.O19:11
Zungo:/19:14
keriohayyyyy19:21
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DocScrutinizer05~#devuan root19:53
DocScrutinizer05~#devuan login19:53
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #devuan19:53
infobotFactoid search of '#devuan' by key (13 of 18): #devuan ml ;; #devuan systemd #DEL# ;; #devuan dng ;; #devuan xy #DEL# ;; #devuan bugtracker ;; #devuan samba ;; #devuan nm ;; #devuan non-systemd versions ;; #devuan beta2 ;; #devuan systemd popularity ;; #devuan mirrors ;; #devuan qemu ;; #devuan attentionchar #DEL#.19:53
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #devuan19:54
infobotFactoid search of '#devuan' by key (13 of 18): #devuan systemd #DEL# ;; #devuan owner ;; #devuan attentionchar #DEL# ;; #devuan samba ;; #devuan beta2 ;; #devuan ml ;; #devuan migrate instructions ;; #devuan network manager ;; #devuan non-systemd versions ;; #devuan dng ;; #devuan raspi login ;; #devuan xy #DEL# ;; #devuan bugtracker.19:54
DocScrutinizer05~#devuan raspi login19:54
infobotwell, #devuan raspi login is pw toor https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-03/?msg=65351755&page=319:54
DocScrutinizer05root, toor19:55
DocScrutinizer05Enrico_Menotti:19:55
Enrico_MenottiDebian, not Devuan.19:55
DocScrutinizer05ooh19:55
DocScrutinizer05nfc19:55
DocScrutinizer05and Wizzup alread had that19:55
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DocScrutinizer05>><kerio> hell, init=/bin/passwd<<  smaaaart :-D19:57
Enrico_MenottiOk, it seems root is disabled. If I enter it as username, I get refused. Anyway, I didn't get this init=/bin/passwd. May you explain?19:59
DocScrutinizer05in bootloader, replace init=$WHATEVER by init=/bin/passwd19:59
keriodon't20:00
DocScrutinizer05or by init=/bin/sh if you feel less venturous20:00
kerioreplace it with init=/bin/sh20:00
kerioor perhaps find a thing in your bootloader that says "single user mode"20:01
DocScrutinizer05which is basically the same20:01
Enrico_MenottiOk, so if I say init=/bin/sh it should go directly to the shell, right? And what if init=/bin/passwd?20:02
DocScrutinizer05then you explore something new that is likely to fail20:02
Enrico_MenottiAh.20:03
DocScrutinizer05and you have only one try since passwd isn't meant to accept multi line input20:03
DocScrutinizer05init= just tells kernel which program to start as pid120:04
DocScrutinizer05could be anything20:04
DocScrutinizer05even fdisk ;-P20:04
DocScrutinizer05though i'm not sure how you pass cmdline parameters/options to that command20:05
DocScrutinizer05which might be why passwd fails20:05
keriowell, passwd's default behaviour is to set the root password20:05
DocScrutinizer05:nod: but I wasn't sure20:06
DocScrutinizer05actually the default behavior is to set the $user password20:06
DocScrutinizer05afaik20:07
DocScrutinizer05kernel environment I'm not sure which is $USER / EUID(), but prolly should be 0/root20:08
DocScrutinizer05then you of course want to make sure your root fs is mounted20:08
Enrico_Menotti"sh: can't access tty: job control turned off"20:09
DocScrutinizer05will prolly fail when this gets done in an initrd, eh?20:09
DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah, ouch20:09
DocScrutinizer05where is your image?20:10
Enrico_MenottiThe rootfs?20:10
DocScrutinizer05yep20:10
Enrico_Menottisd card20:10
DocScrutinizer05so why don't you copy over the etc/paswd from another machine?20:11
Enrico_MenottiI had a look at the etc/passwd. Seems there is root, with encrypted password. But Debian doesn't allow me to enter the password. As soon as I enter the user, I get refused.20:11
DocScrutinizer05well, razher use passwd command with parameter to point to the uSD etc/passwd20:11
Enrico_Menotti?20:12
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DocScrutinizer05       -R, --root CHROOT_DIR20:14
DocScrutinizer05           Apply changes in the CHROOT_DIR directory and use the configuration files from the CHROOT_DIR directory.20:14
DocScrutinizer05so if there's /mnt/myuSD/etc/passwd the you invoke `passwd -R /mnt/myuSD root`20:16
DocScrutinizer05>> Regardless  of  whether shadow passwords are used, many system administrators use an asterisk (*) in the encrypted password field to make sure that this user can not authenticate        him- or herself using a password.  (But see NOTES below.)<<20:18
DocScrutinizer05are you sure it's not asking for the root password already? *Not* for the username20:19
Enrico_MenottiWell, what it says is "login"...20:19
DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah, user name20:20
Enrico_MenottiIf I enter anything different from "root", then asks for a pass, but refuses to log in.20:20
DocScrutinizer05it seems pretty weird when it doesn't accept root there20:20
Enrico_MenottiI'd think root is disabled.20:20
DocScrutinizer05I'd think maybe the shell set for root in passwd is blowing chunks? but also makes no sense since it first had to ask for password20:22
DocScrutinizer05maybe PAM or the crypt() lib is defect20:23
DocScrutinizer05could you paste the passwd file root record?20:24
Enrico_MenottiYes, but it's simple. There's just an "x" in place of the password.20:24
Enrico_MenottiAs far as I've been able to find, this means the password is encrypted somewhere else, right?20:25
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Enrico_Menottiroot:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash20:25
DocScrutinizer05BWAHAHA20:26
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, might mean it's in etc/shadow20:27
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DocScrutinizer05       password    This is either the encrypted user password, an asterisk (*), or the letter 'x'.  (See pwconv(8) for an explanation of 'x'.)20:27
Enrico_MenottiLet me have a look at /etc/shadow.20:28
Enrico_Menottiroot:*:17254:0:99999:7:::20:32
Enrico_MenottiHere it is. The "*" means "no login".20:32
Enrico_MenottiI will delete the "x" in /etc/passwd. It should allow login without password.20:32
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DocScrutinizer05really?20:37
Enrico_MenottiNo doesn't work. I was reading here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch04.en.html. There is a table saying "(empty): passwordless account", but doesn't work. I will try to set a password in clean.20:39
DocScrutinizer05The pwunconv command creates passwd from passwd and shadow and then removes shadow.20:39
Enrico_MenottiOk.20:41
Sicelowhere did the image come from?20:44
Enrico_MenottiNo way. Still doesn't allow me to insert a passwd.20:45
Enrico_MenottiThe image has been bootstrapped by me on a Debian system.20:45
Enrico_Menotti(Cross-bootstrapped.)20:46
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KotCzarnyyou seem to self inflict troubles on yourself20:47
Enrico_MenottiKotCzarny Well, my goal is to learn how to build kernel and system image, not just boot them...20:50
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Sicelocan you sudo with user?20:51
KotCzarnyjust run with init=/bin/bash and use passwd to set one20:52
KotCzarnyor clone entry from  pc20:52
Siceloseems he's already done that with no success .. (unless i misread)20:52
KotCzarnythen he has messed pam probably20:53
DocScrutinizer05hmm?20:53
KotCzarnyor login shells20:54
KotCzarnyaccessing /var/log/messages could help20:58
DocScrutinizer05Enrico_Menotti: copy a /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from your linux PC, make sure the shell (last parameter after last : ) is actually existing in target system, and in /etc/shells20:59
Enrico_MenottiI tried to change the username for root. Doesn't work. When I use this new username, it doesn't allow me to enter a password. Looks like root privileges are disabled?!?21:01
DocScrutinizer05heck, first time I lost my root password, I edited etc/passwd with a disk editor inder windows (dualboot system) and changed the UID to 0. Worked ;-P21:01
DocScrutinizer05root privileges disabled? what the heck are you talking about?21:02
Enrico_MenottiIn fact - it's just an idea. I mean, it seems whenever I try to login as user "0" of group "0" it refuses it.21:04
DocScrutinizer05no, whenever you try to login, it breaks21:04
DocScrutinizer05you didn't even try with anything else than UID 021:05
Enrico_MenottiI will now.21:05
DocScrutinizer05Enrico_Menotti: copy a /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from your linux PC, make sure the shell (last parameter after last : ) is actually existing in target system, and in /etc/shells21:05
Enrico_MenottiOk, a minute.21:06
DocScrutinizer05id4eally make it /bin/sh21:06
DocScrutinizer05this should always be there and be allowed by etc/shells21:07
DocScrutinizer05also check /etc/login.defs21:08
DocScrutinizer05and man passwd21:08
DocScrutinizer05man login.defs:21:10
DocScrutinizer05       DEFAULT_HOME (boolean)21:10
DocScrutinizer05           Indicate if login is allowed if we can't cd to the home directory. Default is no.21:10
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Enrico_MenottiOk, copied /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow. I've been able to login as std user. Now I cannot switch to root since I don't have numbers working, and my root password is numeric...21:43
Zungoouch21:43
Zungowhat about sudo?21:43
Enrico_MenottiLet's try.21:43
Enrico_MenottiNo, command not found. Probably it's available only to root. May it be?21:44
ZungoEnrico_Menotti: do not try to change anything related to root.21:44
Zungoit should be username root with uid 021:44
Zungoperiod21:44
ZungoCheck /etc/shells, ls /bin21:45
Enrico_MenottiOk, now I'm logging in, the problem is the password for root.21:45
ZungoChange it in your linux pc then?21:45
Zungo:/21:45
Zungoor get your layout fixed21:46
Zungokeyboard layout21:46
Enrico_Menotti...which would be the right solution.21:46
Zungooutside of the system21:47
Zungoexternally*21:47
Zungoprobably you should configure autologin as root21:47
Enrico_MenottiSo next steps: 1. Turning on the backlight (!). 2. Fix keyboard layout. 3. Allow power button to shutdown (!).21:48
Zungofor 3: enable power management/acpi/apm?21:49
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Zungoyeah you can do everything without the system running Enrico_Menotti21:50
Zungothose steps21:50
Enrico_MenottiDo you think I have to debootstrap again, or is it possible to modify something in the file system?21:51
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Enrico_MenottiI'm wondering whether I have some way to install packages to the Debian fs on sd card by connecting in mass storage mode to the Debian computer. (At present my N900, when I boot Debian on it, is isolated from the world, and I cannot even login as root.)22:17
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Sicelowifi should work in debian ..22:28
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Enrico_MenottiHow to turn it on without being root?22:35
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ZungoEnrico_Menotti: Put autologin as root22:52
Zungoi am sure there's a way to extract and repackage the filesystem22:52
Zungoand/or mount directly on linux system22:52
Enrico_MenottiWell, I can mount it on my Debian computer. Mass storage mode. But how to install packages there?22:53
Zungoyou chroot into it Enrico_Menotti22:54
Enrico_MenottiAs it is done in debootstrapping, right?22:54
Zungoseriously please research a bit more or ask common things like this in ##liunx please22:54
Zungouhm yeah i guess22:55
Zungohowever it works22:55
Zungoyou dont need /dev except when creating bootloader for example22:55
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