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chatter29hey guys07:45
chatter29allah is doing07:46
chatter29sun is not doing allah is doing07:46
chatter29to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger07:46
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bencohfreemangordon: no experience with gio no09:43
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KotCzarnywhat could be the reason of mass storage mode not working?09:47
KotCzarnywhen i connect cable, i click 'mass storage', but it stays at 'charging only'09:47
bencohKotCzarny: inability to umount (busy fs) maybe?09:48
KotCzarnywhen i do lsof|grep -i mydocs i dont see anything09:48
bencohI'd suggest lsof -n09:48
KotCzarnyopt is on different partition, right?09:48
KotCzarnyso only something with 'mydocs' in the path should matter in such case09:49
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KotCzarnyalso, i can umount mydocs just fine from cmdline10:04
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Enrico309Hello everybody. Need help with kernel boot.11:38
Enrico309Please let me know if you can read me.11:38
sixwheeledbeastWhat help do you require, you may have to hang about for an answer.11:42
Enrico309Hello, thanks for answering.11:42
Enrico309I have reflashed my N900, and installed u-boot.11:43
Enrico309Then I was trying to install NITDroid, and messed up something.11:43
Enrico309Now I can access u-boot console, but not the OS.11:43
Enrico309I have been able to put the kernel image on a sd card and make it start.11:44
Enrico309But when it starts it sits for a while and then reboots.11:44
Enrico309I nedd help on how to set the system in order for Maemo to properly start.11:44
Enrico309Note: I cannot reflash the device, since it is not recognised by my computer anymore.11:45
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Enrico309Hi Pali, are you the developer of u-boot for the N900?11:49
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infobot[nitdroid] Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.12:13
Enrico309I cannot flash because the device is not recognised by my computer anymore.12:15
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing12:15
KotCzarnytry that script12:15
Enrico309Sorry, I don't understand what ~flashing means.12:16
KotCzarnydownload&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh12:17
KotCzarnydont forget that you have to power off n900 and connect it to your machine after you get prompted AND without turning it on12:18
Enrico309I was trying to use the flasher-3.5. I have been able to install it on Windows Vista.12:19
Enrico309The problem is that the device is not recognised.12:19
freemangordonanybody knowing sparql?12:20
KotCzarnyEnrico309: better find some old laptop and install 32bit linux12:20
freemangordonor boot 32bit linux from falsh drive/cd12:21
KotCzarnyor just run some 32bit livecd linux12:21
Enrico309Ok, but please let me know... does this script require the flasher-3.5?12:21
freemangordonmost probably12:21
KotCzarnyit includes everything you need12:21
KotCzarnyflasher and flashing images12:21
Enrico309Ok, I will have a look at it.12:22
KotCzarnyfmg, got an idea why mass storage isnt working on n900? even after clicking on requester it stays in charge only12:23
sixwheeledbeastThe lazy script above is a shell script IIRC so not for windows.12:27
Enrico309Yes, I have also a Mac. The problem is that I cannot install the flasher there.12:27
KotCzarnysee 'livecd'12:28
Enrico309Ok, first thing I will do is to open the .sh script with the Mac and look at what's going on there.12:28
sixwheeledbeastAlso issues may occur detecting device with a USB hub, make sure you use a USB port directly. Ones on the back.12:29
Enrico309I have a laptop - no USB ports on the back. Just on sides.12:30
sixwheeledbeast ?12:30
Enrico309But before bricking it, the device was recognised.12:30
freemangordonKotCzarny: what os?12:31
KotCzarnyfmg, stock, but it was working before and i dont remember installing or changing anything in the meantime12:31
freemangordonI mean - what OS is on the PC12:31
KotCzarnyfmg, probably android, or some tv os12:32
freemangordondoes it work when connected to some "normal" PC?12:33
KotCzarnylet me check12:33
freemangordonEnrico309: what happened so you've bricked it?12:33
freemangordonEnrico309: depending on the type of "brick" you may need to cold-flash it12:35
freemangordonflasher-3.5 will do the job, but it is tricky12:35
KotCzarnywhen connected to pc no reaction12:35
freemangordonKotCzarny: you're sure USB cable is ok?12:35
KotCzarnycould it be a symptom of usb port dying?12:35
freemangordonyes, but you'd better check with other USB cable first12:36
infobot1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss12:36
KotCzarnywhen i rebooted there was is some activity in device manager12:36
KotCzarnyand got usb type requester, but clicking on 'mass storage' doesnt change anything12:37
KotCzarnyso i assume cable is ok, but os somehow fails to initialize the gadget maybe12:38
bencoherr what do you mean by "not recognized anymore" by the way?12:38
freemangordonKotCzarny: looks like, you'd better boot some linux and check what dmesg says12:39
KotCzarnybtw. there was g_ether loaded12:39
Enrico309I was moving files on the directory structure from the terminal.12:39
KotCzarnyafter removing it there was some activity in device manager12:39
freemangordonEnrico309: see
KotCzarnydmesg bit from n90012:41
Enrico309I already tried the cold flash. The device is not seen by the computer.12:41
Enrico309(Again, this on Windows.)12:41
Enrico309I will manage to do something with the Mac.12:42
Enrico309But first I would like to know how to communicate with the device.12:42
KotCzarnyhow can i change usb mode from cmdline on n900?12:44
KotCzarnyie. start mass storage12:44
freemangordonEnrico309: as I said, it is tricky, you only have about 200-300ms for the detection12:44
freemangordonKotCzarny: ass long as g_mass_storage is loaded, it should be fine12:45
KotCzarnyfmg: it doesnt need some configuration?12:45
freemangordonKotCzarny: again, get dmesg log from host PC12:45
freemangordonwell, it needs, but it should be done12:45
KotCzarnyyou mean g_file_storage ?12:46
freemangordoncheck in /sbin/ or somesuch12:46
KotCzarnyhmm, running from cmdline made it work12:47
freemangordonEnrico309: by the time I had windoze XP here, it was taking 8-10 cable reconnects so cold-flash detection to work12:47
freemangordonand knowing vista is way heavier...12:47
freemangordonI guess it just doesn't manage to install the needed driver before it is too late12:48
freemangordonKotCzarny: weird12:48
Enrico309Ok, let's say I work on the Mac. How may I communicate with the device?12:50
Enrico309And I read the flash-it-all script. It just makes use of the flasher-3.5. I am able to do that without the script.12:51
KotCzarnyfmg, is it normal to have g_ether loaded on boot?12:51
Enrico309Just, I don't have the flasher on the Mac.12:51
KotCzarnysaid 'works' too early, it loaded, i see drives in 'my computer' but they arent accessible. and i see 'charging only' in the systray12:53
KotCzarnyand mydocs is mounted still12:53
KotCzarny(on n900)12:53
KotCzarnyit's as it fails to configure file to export12:58
KotCzarnyhum, might be that script needs param passed12:58
freemangordonEnrico309: I doubt flash-it-all script will help if 1st stage loader is broken, you should do cold-flash by hand12:59
freemangordonEnrico309: also, I can't help with anything apple :)12:59
PaliEnrico309: pong12:59
Palisee mailbox12:59
Maxdamantusbtw, it's definitely not going to work (at least not safely) if you have any files/directories open from the MyDocs mount.12:59
KotCzarnymaxd: lsof shows nothing13:00
KotCzarnyat least on lsof|grep -i mydocs13:00
freemangordonKotCzarny: do you still have terminal opened?13:00
Maxdamantuslsof isn't necessarily reliable.13:00
KotCzarnyand as i've said, i can umount mydocs without a problem13:00
MaxdamantusHm, okay.13:00
freemangordonKotCzarny: you could try to rmmod g_file_storage by hand, then load it by hand with the correct parameters13:01
freemangordonand do "echo /dev/whatevermydocspartis > /sys/..."13:02
Maxdamantus.. and hope that maemo doesn't automatically mount it again.13:02
freemangordonsorry, can't remember the /sys/ path for g_file_storage parameters13:02
MaxdamantusIf you've rmmodded it, you can just pass in the parameters as you modprobe it again.13:03
Maxdamantusmodprobe g_file_storage file=/dev/mmcblk...13:03
freemangordonMaxdamantus: maemo usee LUNS=213:03
freemangordonbut yeah, maybe it is possible to provide files to be exported on cmdline13:04
freemangordonPali: so, upstream replacement for tracker-client is tracker-sparql, right?13:04
PaliI really do not know13:05
freemangordondo you know SPARQL?13:05
MaxdamantusThe luns parameter seems to just specify a maximum number of luns, so that shouldn't be a problem.13:05
freemangordonhmm, right13:05
Maxdamantusafaik maemo will usually only have 1 anyway.13:06
freemangordonno, my maemo usualy has 2 :)13:06
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freemangordonmydocs and vfat partotion on uSD :)13:06
MaxdamantusMy maemo usually doesn't use g_file_storage or FAT at all.13:06
freemangordonssh is too slow13:07
freemangordonto copy a video file for example13:07
MaxdamantusIf I need to copy a single large file I'll just use netcat and pipe it to dd with oflags=sync after remounting the filesystem with -o sync13:08
MaxdamantusIf I need to copy lots of large files I'll probably just run an rsync server somewhere.13:08
Maxdamantuser, lots of small files*13:08
freemangordondoesn't work (in real-time) if you want to copy some movie downloaded on your PC to n900 (connected to TV set) :)13:10
KotCzarnyquite nice and works like a charm13:10
freemangordonno way you can achieve 15MB/s over the wifi13:10
MaxdamantusI meant over g_ether.13:11
MaxdamantusIf it's over wifi I won't bother with the sync stuff because the filesystem will be fast enough anyway.13:11
freemangordonstill, it is slower and more complicated13:12
MaxdamantusI'd usually just transfer one-off small things over ssh/wifi.13:12
freemangordonbut yeah, will do the job13:12
KotCzarnyhmm, i've added some debug to /usr/sbin/ , but it apparently isnt called at all13:12
freemangordonKotCzarny: ke-recv is running?13:12
freemangordontry to restart it13:13
KotCzarnyi get usb mode dialog so it should be13:13
freemangordonalso, iirc there is some verbose debug ke-recv cmdline switch13:14
freemangordonPali: ^^^ how to enable verbose logging in ke-recv?13:14
KotCzarnyno banana13:15
Palifreemangordon: logging is in syslog13:19
KotCzarnymaybe it's time to upgrade to cssu13:19
KotCzarnystill, would be nice to know where it fails now13:20
Paliand you probably need to add #define DEBUG at the begining of affected file13:20
Palike-recv uses osso-log.h for logging13:20
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freemangordonKotCzarny: wait, what?!?13:26
freemangordonyou're not on cssu?13:26
freemangordonno more help for you :p13:27
freemangordonuntil you install cssu13:27
KotCzarnyok, ok, i'm upgrading, i just hope it wont fry my n900 :P13:27
infobot[cssu], or (Community Seamless Software Update)13:27
freemangordonKotCzarny: jump on -thumb13:27
KotCzarnywould i get help if i go cssu-thumb thouhg :P13:27
freemangordonsure :)13:28
KotCzarnyhrm, ham says i have cssu-testing enabled13:33
KotCzarnydid i go cssu in the past and forgot about it?13:34
KotCzarnyoh, and btw. when i click update in ham it tries to force me to backup, and there is no 'skip backup' button13:36
KotCzarnymp-fremantle-community-pr                           21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1.213:37
KotCzarnyoh, 'continue' button was missing because of the pkg conflicts. fixed them and now i can update to cssu-testing1113:47
KotCzarnywould be nice to have more intuitive notification why i can't continue (it was only in update details tab)13:48
freemangordonKotCzarny: once you have CSSU installed, you will have that "more intuitive notification" :)13:50
KotCzarnyfmg, it looks like i had cssu-testing 1.213:50
freemangordonwhich is how old?13:50
KotCzarnyand now i recall i wasnt able to skip the 'create backup' because 'continue' was missing13:51
KotCzarny5 years old ;)13:51
KotCzarnyit's updating (and nuked my wifi/ssh connection in the process, so fingers crossed)13:55
KotCzarnycan i jump onto cassu-thumb from cssu-testing?13:56
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KotCzarnywtf, it came in portrait mode after reboot o.O14:00
freemangordonwell, it happens14:01
freemangordonjust reboot once again14:01
freemangordonthere is bug somewhere in hildon-desktop14:01
freemangordonunless you have locked it in portrait mode14:01
KotCzarnyhalf of the icons are missed14:01
KotCzarnyk, reboot14:02
freemangordonkeep the kbd opened, just in case14:02
KotCzarnyportrait again14:03
KotCzarnyopening kb didnt switch to landscape14:03
freemangordonyou have locked your device in portait :)14:04
KotCzarnyk, how do i get to normal?14:04
sixwheeledbeastI found an amusing bug I couldn't reproduce that had the device switching portrait landscape in a loop :)14:05
KotCzarnymy neck is starting to be in pain14:05
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freemangordoninstall ... ummm...14:05
KotCzarnyit came to landscape by itself now14:05
KotCzarnymaybe it was still booting14:05
freemangordonKotCzarny: orientation-lock-applet14:06
KotCzarnymhm, i seem to have this before update14:06
KotCzarnynow its missing14:06
freemangordonyes, because it is not a part of cssu anymore14:06
freemangordonbut you can install it from HAM14:06
KotCzarnyimo it should be included14:07
freemangordonit was decided against14:07
freemangordoncan't remember why14:07
KotCzarnywhat was the reasining?14:07
freemangordoncan't remember14:07
KotCzarnyit's part of the general ui experience14:08
freemangordonit was some political reasoning :)14:08
KotCzarnythe worst kind14:08
KotCzarnyanything else is missing that i should reinstall?14:08
freemangordonhow am I supposed to know what you have had installed on your device :)14:09
freemangordonKotCzarny: does mass-storage work?14:09
sixwheeledbeastbecause it's not in stock maemo14:10
freemangordonyeah, some kind of that14:10
sixwheeledbeastIf you are not interested in portrait then is clutter.14:10
sixwheeledbeastI can understand why it's optional14:11
KotCzarnymost phone with accelerometer usually allow user to decide which mode should be uses port/land/auto14:11
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freemangordonKotCzarny: but not stock n90014:12
KotCzarnyso if you cant configure it in the os, it seems like your phone is missing something14:12
sixwheeledbeastn900 is not most phones tho...14:12
KotCzarnyit's definitely a feature14:12
KotCzarnywhich isnt essential to have, but nice one14:12
freemangordonKotCzarny: nothing stops you from installing it14:13
sixwheeledbeastIt's an optional extra as you could use gconf to keep the status menu uncluttered.14:13
freemangordonit is there, just not pushed forcefully14:13
KotCzarnyits something that should go into setting panel14:13
freemangordonKotCzarny: however, does mass-storage work now?14:13
KotCzarnylet me check14:14
KotCzarnynope. clicking usb mode button in status menu and selecting 'mass storage' didnt do the trick14:14
freemangordonKotCzarny: BTW, is fsck finished?14:14
KotCzarnystill shows 'charging only'14:14
KotCzarnyyup, no fsck in ps14:15
freemangordontry another USB cable14:15
freemangordonalso, I have a similar problem with my dev n900 when connected to some of the USB ports on my PC14:16
KotCzarnycable should be fine, because i see mass storage drives, just unconfigured14:16
freemangordonseems you have something installed that messes with it14:16
KotCzarnyany clue what to search for?14:17
freemangordonwhich gadget module is loaded?14:19
freemangordonKotCzarny: ^^^14:23
freemangordonwhen you connect USB cable that is14:23
freemangordonshould be g_file_storage14:26
freemangordonwho loads that?14:26
KotCzarnygood question14:26
freemangordonshould be either g_nokia or g_file_storage14:26
KotCzarnyumkay, found it14:27
KotCzarnyapparently i've modified rcS14:27
KotCzarny2 years ago14:27
KotCzarnyi've even added comments in the file ;)14:28
KotCzarnyjust forgot about it14:28
KotCzarnyoh well, at least i'm on updated cssu thanks to it ;)14:28
freemangordonyou may jump to thumb14:28
KotCzarnyyup, will comment out my changes and see if i get mass storage back14:29
KotCzarnyugh, still doesnt work14:32
KotCzarnyno gagdets loaded at all now14:32
KotCzarnyoh 'device storage in use'14:33
freemangordonKotCzarny: you have changed more things I guess14:33
freemangordonwell, close all terminals14:33
KotCzarnyall closed14:33
KotCzarnyonly ssh open14:33
freemangordonin which dir?14:34
freemangordonwell, something holds mydocs opened14:34
KotCzarnynow when i clicked 'mass storage' it worked, mysterious.14:34
KotCzarnymaybe, will try rebooting in a moment14:35
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bencohKotCzarny: wait, so now you're using cssu?14:46
KotCzarnyapparently i have installed cssu-testing at some point in the past14:46
KotCzarnysomewhere around 2012 ;)14:46
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KotCzarnyit feels good to organize photos in win7 explorer14:56
KotCzarnyhum, mydocs didnt get remounted after cable disconnect15:07
KotCzarnyoh, it did. fsck again then?15:08
KotCzarnymaybe there should be a statusbar icon to show when mydocs is running/fsck is running ;)15:08
KotCzarny'unable to update 'cssu-thumb', conflivting packages: curl (7,26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1), the heck?15:17
KotCzarny75Megs of ram free after upgrading to thumb15:35
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freemangordonKotCzarny: hmm, thats too much16:46
KotCzarnyi'm not complaining ;)16:47
freemangordonor wait, what was the amount of free ram before?16:47
KotCzarnyat the moment 42M free, 80M cached, 46M swapped16:47
freemangordonis there SIM card in that device?16:47
KotCzarnyyes, it's my main phone that i use daily16:48
KotCzarnyhmm, ham says 'no updates available', apt-get upgrade says few pkgs are available17:08
Siceloham does not show updates for packages that you cannot install from ham to begin with17:09
KotCzarnyit sucks a bit then17:10
Sicelomaybe in red pill mode it's better? never tried it17:11
KotCzarnywill just do some housekeeping with apt-get17:11
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dfrtfsun is not doing allah is doing17:31
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DocScrutinizer05and at chanserv and ACL17:33
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sixwheeledbeastm.o down for anyone else?21:43
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KotCzarnyhe asked for m.o, not t.m.o22:33
DocScrutinizer05I'm so happy my /ignore works... not22:34
DocScrutinizer05what you learned: I like to provide gebneric info, not answers made as piecemeal. And those who can see this are the smarter half22:35
DocScrutinizer05also you learned: not everybody adores Captain Obvious22:36
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KotCzarnyhe asked for a simple yes/no, not a snotty response that was also wrong (since site might seem up, yet, broken)22:37
bencohanyway, m.o works from here22:40
DocScrutinizer05what I really love are twits that think they need to correct answers of others since they are not exactly what those twits would want to see22:42
KotCzarnybencoh: bookmark this thingie:
DocScrutinizer05He didn't ask for that!!! idiot!22:42
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DocScrutinizer05also that's >>a snotty response that was also wrong (since site might seem up, yet, broken)<<22:45
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what makes people think others are even more stupid than themselves. When a "wfm" already answered the question if a site is up, how would anybody in their sane mind even assume an URL posted a 30 minutes later was >>a snotty response<< to the original question22:51
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DocScrutinizer05unless of course they conclude from themselves to others23:01
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infobotsomebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
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