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| jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99029 | 01:18 |
| jonwil | Great to finally have a way to do journey planning on my N900 again without needing to call the phone number and talk to a real human (which takes time and doesn't let me search by GPS) | 01:18 |
| jonwil | and I think the way I handled the need to have both a human readable description and a separate internal identifier for a given location/stop/etc is quite elegant (just need to hope I found all the places where the human readable description is displayed) | 01:26 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.cnx-software.com/2017/03/03/gemini-pda-pocket-pc-runs-android-linux-on-mediatek-x25-deca-core-processor-crowdfunding/ | 07:44 |
| TheKit | would be interesting if they manage to run normal Linux on MediaTek SoCs | 07:56 |
| TheKit | but they don't give any details about taht | 07:56 |
| TheKit | *that | 07:56 |
| TheKit | so far there are only MediaTek-based Chromebooks, and they had a lot of changes compared to Android - DRM video driver mainlined, for example | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | well, you can always use android kernel to run normal linux, could be horribly outdated though | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | specs are sweet, and price isnt that bad either | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | wouldnt mind thumb friendly kb though | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | and since its crowdfunded there is a chance it wont be locked down | 08:10 |
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| jonwil | Most of the good Android devices these days tend to have locked bootloaders where you cant flash arbitrary kernels and OSs unfortunately. | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, yeah, but as i've said, since it's crowdfunded, there is a chance they would try to make it more open than money grubbing big vendors | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | still, mediatek isnt opensource friendly and most they would get is some kind of bsp | 08:32 |
| jonwil | But this isn't a good Android device, its got a crappy Mediatek processor | 08:32 |
| jonwil | good would be a device with a nice Samsung Exynos or Qualcomm Snapdragon | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | ehehehe | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | right, qualcomm ;) | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | with 25MB closed blob BOOTLOADER | 08:33 |
| jonwil | I meant good as in "high-end" | 08:34 |
| jonwil | yes they aren't open | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | they are close and suspicious as hell | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | *closed | 08:34 |
| jonwil | Its interesting that Qualcomm are very open when it comes to their Atheros WiFi chips yet so closed when it comes to the Snapdragon SOCs | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | atheros doesnt come from qualcomm, atheros was VERY open, was it acquired by qc? | 08:35 |
| jonwil | I do wonder why Qualcomm is so scared about being open, what are they worried about... | 08:37 |
| jonwil | IP issues (e.g. parents)? Regulatory issues to do with the cellular side of things? Worried about Samsung, Apple and others stealing the things that make their chips good? | 08:38 |
| jonwil | speaking of Samsung, I do wonder just how open and documented the Samsung Exynos chips actually are. | 08:38 |
| jonwil | I suspect any SoC from any vendor that has cellular functionality built into it wont be as open and documented as, say, the TI OMAP chips are | 08:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: their snapdragon aiui run the 'linux' OS under supervisor which is the radio stack basically. They don't want to open the radiostack | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and re Exynos: I never checked thoroughly but my impression been Samsung doesm't intend to sell them to OEM, they just use them for samsung devices | 15:44 |
| TheKit | <jonwil> Most of the good Android devices these days tend to have locked bootloaders where you cant flash arbitrary kernels and OSs unfortunately. | 15:45 |
| TheKit | define "good", most of good Android devices will allow you to unlock bootloader if you want | 15:46 |
| TheKit | for example OnePlus, Xiaomi, etc | 15:46 |
| TheKit | that's how SFOS is ported to a lot of devices at least | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GPL vs Tivoization: 0:1 | 15:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly recalls Nokia meeting anout M9 and Nokia's answer to his question "but what about the bootloader, will it be open?": "we don't care about the bootloader, it's not considered part of the system" (OWTTE). A year later we had endless fun with openmode kernl fuckup and Aegis | 15:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegisa | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis | 15:52 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "how to suggest to the suggesible linux user that they were owners of their devices while in fact the manufacturer has full control" | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or yet another nice way to put it: "yes, you can install arbitrary apps from arbitrary sources. But... it's us and our aegis policies that define if and how much they actually will work" | 15:56 |
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