IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2017-03-03

*** ecc3g has quit IRC00:12
*** Cor-Ai has quit IRC00:20
*** ecc3g has joined #maemo00:21
*** Cor-Ai has joined #maemo00:23
*** Sigyn has quit IRC00:48
xesthere is a small maintenance in progress on maemo servers. Some service may disappear for some second01:12
jonwilGreat to finally have a way to do journey planning on my N900 again without needing to call the phone number and talk to a real human (which takes time and doesn't let me search by GPS)01:18
jonwiland I think the way I handled the need to have both a human readable description and a separate internal identifier for a given location/stop/etc is quite elegant (just need to hope I found all the places where the human readable description is displayed)01:26
*** xy2_ has quit IRC01:36
*** ravelo has quit IRC01:39
*** ravelo has joined #maemo01:45
*** Sigyn has joined #maemo02:05
*** Pali_ is now known as Pali02:20
*** xli has joined #maemo02:27
*** Pali has quit IRC02:31
*** ravelo has quit IRC02:31
*** florian has quit IRC02:33
*** ravelo has joined #maemo02:35
*** xli has quit IRC02:49
*** xes has quit IRC02:59
*** xes has joined #maemo03:06
*** Kabouik has joined #maemo03:26
*** Kabouik has quit IRC03:37
*** sunshavi has quit IRC04:55
*** Milhouse has quit IRC05:12
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo05:26
*** Kilroo has quit IRC05:55
*** lxp1 has joined #maemo06:01
*** lxp has quit IRC06:04
*** Kilroo has joined #maemo06:15
*** pagurus has quit IRC07:10
*** pagurus has joined #maemo07:16
*** DocScrutinizer05 has quit IRC07:24
*** DocScrutinizer05 has joined #maemo07:24
TheKitwould be interesting if they manage to run normal Linux on MediaTek SoCs07:56
TheKitbut they don't give any details about taht07:56
TheKitso far there are only MediaTek-based Chromebooks, and they had a lot of changes compared to Android - DRM video driver mainlined, for example07:59
KotCzarnywell, you can always use android kernel to run normal linux, could be horribly outdated though08:09
KotCzarnyspecs are sweet, and price isnt that bad either08:09
KotCzarnywouldnt mind thumb friendly kb though08:10
KotCzarnyand since its crowdfunded there is a chance it wont be locked down08:10
*** Banana_ has joined #maemo08:23
*** Banana_ has left #maemo08:27
jonwilMost of the good Android devices these days tend to have locked bootloaders where you cant flash arbitrary kernels and OSs unfortunately.08:29
KotCzarnyjonwil, yeah, but as i've said, since it's crowdfunded, there is a chance they would try to make it more open than money grubbing big vendors08:32
KotCzarnystill, mediatek isnt opensource friendly and most they would get is some kind of bsp08:32
jonwilBut this isn't a good Android device, its got a crappy Mediatek processor08:32
jonwilgood would be a device with a nice Samsung Exynos or Qualcomm Snapdragon08:33
KotCzarnyright, qualcomm ;)08:33
KotCzarnywith 25MB closed blob BOOTLOADER08:33
jonwilI meant good as in "high-end"08:34
jonwilyes they aren't open08:34
KotCzarnythey are close and suspicious as hell08:34
jonwilIts interesting that Qualcomm are very open when it comes to their Atheros WiFi chips yet so closed when it comes to the Snapdragon SOCs08:34
KotCzarnyatheros doesnt come from qualcomm, atheros was VERY open, was it acquired by qc?08:35
jonwilI do wonder why Qualcomm is so scared about being open, what are they worried about...08:37
jonwilIP issues (e.g. parents)? Regulatory issues to do with the cellular side of things? Worried about Samsung, Apple and others stealing the things that make their chips good?08:38
jonwilspeaking of Samsung, I do wonder just how open and documented the Samsung Exynos chips actually are.08:38
jonwilI suspect any SoC from any vendor that has cellular functionality built into it wont be as open and documented as, say, the TI OMAP chips are08:40
*** arcean has joined #maemo08:51
*** xy2_ has joined #maemo09:06
*** ecloud_wfh has quit IRC09:19
*** ecloud has joined #maemo09:26
*** jonwil has quit IRC09:28
*** xy2_ has quit IRC09:32
*** dmth|intevation has joined #maemo09:37
*** Kabouik has joined #maemo10:18
*** ecloud has quit IRC10:19
*** ecloud has joined #maemo10:20
*** geaaru has joined #maemo10:21
*** jskarvad has joined #maemo10:21
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo10:26
*** florian_kc is now known as florian10:26
*** Sigyn has quit IRC10:37
*** Sigyn has joined #maemo10:38
*** jonwil has joined #maemo10:59
*** troulouliou_div2 has joined #maemo11:00
*** jonwil has quit IRC11:46
*** jonwil has joined #maemo11:46
*** Kabouik_ has joined #maemo11:55
*** Kabouik has quit IRC11:56
*** Konsieur has joined #maemo11:57
*** Kabouik_ has quit IRC12:00
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo12:31
*** cyphase has quit IRC12:44
*** sunshavi has quit IRC12:46
*** cyphase has joined #maemo12:47
*** troulouliou_div2 has quit IRC13:10
*** Konsieur has quit IRC13:16
*** Sigyn has quit IRC13:53
*** Sigyn has joined #maemo13:53
*** jonwil has quit IRC13:55
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo14:07
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC14:20
*** troulouliou_div2 has joined #maemo14:22
*** sunshavi has quit IRC14:26
*** troulouliou_div2 has quit IRC14:34
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo14:53
*** enyc_ has joined #maemo15:19
*** enyc has quit IRC15:19
*** Konsieur has joined #maemo15:22
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: their snapdragon aiui run the 'linux' OS under supervisor which is the radio stack basically. They don't want to open the radiostack15:42
DocScrutinizer05and re Exynos: I never checked thoroughly but my impression been Samsung doesm't intend to sell them to OEM, they just use them for samsung devices15:44
TheKit<jonwil> Most of the good Android devices these days tend to have locked bootloaders where you cant flash arbitrary kernels and OSs unfortunately.15:45
TheKitdefine "good", most of good Android devices will allow you to unlock bootloader if you want15:46
TheKitfor example OnePlus, Xiaomi, etc15:46
TheKitthat's how SFOS is ported to a lot of devices at least15:47
DocScrutinizer05GPL vs Tivoization: 0:115:49
* DocScrutinizer05 idly recalls Nokia meeting anout M9 and Nokia's answer to his question "but what about the bootloader, will it be open?": "we don't care about the bootloader, it's not considered part of the system" (OWTTE). A year later we had endless fun with openmode kernl fuckup and Aegis15:52
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
DocScrutinizer05or "how to suggest to the suggesible linux user that they were owners of their devices while in fact the manufacturer has full control"15:53
DocScrutinizer05or yet another nice way to put it: "yes, you can install arbitrary apps from arbitrary sources. But... it's us and our aegis policies that define if and how much they actually will work"15:56
*** sunshavi has quit IRC16:01
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo16:02
*** enyc_ is now known as enyc16:12
*** Yuri_10m is now known as Al3x_10m16:13
*** Al3x_10m is now known as Yuri_10m16:14
*** Konsieur has quit IRC16:27
*** arcean has quit IRC16:35
*** dmth|intevation has quit IRC16:39
*** Maxdamantus has quit IRC16:40
*** xy2_ has joined #maemo16:43
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo16:43
*** sunshavi has quit IRC17:02
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo18:11
*** Pali has joined #maemo18:47
*** florian has quit IRC18:51
*** sunshavi has quit IRC19:35
*** l_bratch has quit IRC19:35
*** nslu2-log_ has joined #maemo19:36
*** troulouliou_div2 has joined #maemo19:37
*** xkr47_ has joined #maemo19:38
*** `0660 has joined #maemo19:40
*** ShadowJK_ has joined #maemo19:40
*** jrayhawk_ has joined #maemo19:41
*** Hestben_ has joined #maemo19:41
*** xkr47 has quit IRC19:43
*** teotwaki has quit IRC19:43
*** ShadowJK has quit IRC19:43
*** nslu2-log has quit IRC19:43
*** Hestben has quit IRC19:43
*** cpt_nemo has quit IRC19:43
*** Yuri_10m has quit IRC19:43
*** jrayhawk has quit IRC19:43
*** `0660_ has quit IRC19:43
*** DrCode has quit IRC19:43
*** peetah has quit IRC19:43
*** peetah_ has joined #maemo19:43
*** teotwaki has joined #maemo19:43
*** nslu2-log_ is now known as nslu2-log19:44
*** Yuri_10m has joined #maemo19:45
*** Yuri_10m is now known as Al3x_10m19:46
*** troulouliou_div2 has quit IRC19:46
*** Al3x_10m is now known as Yuri_10m19:46
*** zama has quit IRC19:47
*** zama has joined #maemo19:49
*** DrCode has joined #maemo19:50
*** geaaru has quit IRC19:57
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC20:04
*** N-Mi has quit IRC20:18
*** l_bratch has joined #maemo20:26
*** cpt_nemo has joined #maemo20:34
*** florian has joined #maemo20:48
*** florian has joined #maemo20:48
*** florian has joined #maemo20:57
*** xy2_ has quit IRC21:14
*** jskarvad has quit IRC21:15
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo21:17
*** Vajb_ has quit IRC21:17
*** xy2_ has joined #maemo21:20
*** sunshavi has quit IRC21:23
*** Vajb has joined #maemo21:23
*** xy2_ has quit IRC21:24
*** valdyn has left #maemo21:27
*** ginggs has quit IRC21:30
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo21:35
*** sunshavi has quit IRC21:41
*** Vajb has quit IRC21:49
*** Vajb has joined #maemo21:50
*** chainsawbike has quit IRC21:50
*** chainsawbike has joined #maemo21:53
*** Vajb has quit IRC21:54
*** ginggs has joined #maemo22:02
*** Vajb has joined #maemo22:26
*** jonwil has joined #maemo22:29
*** Maxdamantus has joined #maemo22:30
*** Vajb has quit IRC22:36
*** Vajb has joined #maemo22:38
*** sunshavi has joined #maemo22:39
*** sunshavi has quit IRC22:49
*** Vajb has quit IRC22:50
*** Vajb has joined #maemo22:52
*** ShadowJK_ is now known as ShadowJK22:59
*** Birchy has joined #maemo23:06
*** florian has quit IRC23:16
*** florian has joined #maemo23:17
*** florian has joined #maemo23:17
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo23:36
*** l_bratch has quit IRC23:41
*** l_bratch has joined #maemo23:42

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!