| DocScrutinizer05 | check your mimetypes | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | don't get me started about gnome! ;-) | 00:01 |
| joga | well, this is just a work laptop with vanilla ubuntu 16.04 ... :p | 00:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 has allergy against all executables and apps starting with g* | 00:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconf gmail gnonevfs... | 00:04 |
| joga | though I usually use a tiling wm called notion, for this one I've just had unity there since I mostly just ssh+tmux to do the actual stuff, but I find unity horrible to use otherwise, but it's mostly for when someone else walks up to my desk and asks me to do random stuff X and sometimes silly stuff is easier with something default, instead of hardcore minimalism | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just GNOME BLAERGH! | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV | 00:06 |
| joga | well, it's alright enough, ie. the non-unity stuff like the horrendous default alt-tab -behavior etc. | 00:07 |
| joga | usable by keyboard etc. but it's reeeally awkard if you have even a few terminals open | 00:08 |
| joga | I think I've actually changed it here so it doesn't group the terminals and there's just a flat line of windows you alt-tab through, but even then it's confusing as hell | 00:09 |
| joga | or, I mean, that's unity stuff I think | 00:10 |
| joga | simply not power-usage compatible unless you just have two windows or some religious desktop switching routine | 00:11 |
| joga | (or okay, of course one could master it but I just think it's very tedious in many respects in comparison to other available ways to make computer do stuff) | 00:12 |
| joga | though perhaps it's just that my use case is typically having many terminals open and it fits better with something like tiling+tabbing, I just sorta wish more window managers had a support for concepts like "fit these here" and "split these here" etc. | 00:15 |
| joga | (that's why it's easier to just do work in tmux so it's always alright) | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>simply not power-usage compatible<< seems exactly to the point | 00:26 |
| joga | I mean gnome 2 was perfectly usable as a basic not-driving-you-mad system, even though suboptimal | 00:27 |
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| joga | but just some tiny details ruin unity desktop, in addition to hiding configurability | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gnome was always pathetic but it gets worse and worse. KDE otoh actually improved until KDE3, since then it's going fown stability and usability wise | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/fown/down/ | 00:28 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: gnome was always pathetic but it gets worse and worse. KDE otoh actually improved until KDE3, since then it's going down stability and usability wise | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus KDE has always had great configurability of everything | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something gnome devs reject as "might confuse users" _ W*T*F?! | 00:30 |
| joga | I never liked kde much myself and always wanted something more spartan I guess, but kde did have configurability up to filling the screen with it | 00:30 |
| Juesto | lol | 00:30 |
| Juesto | kde is too heavy imo | 00:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | joga: if you like Gnome experience, try Ubuntu-MATE | 00:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/Gnome/GNOME2/ | 00:32 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: joga: if you like GNOME2 experience, try Ubuntu-MATE | 00:32 |
| inz | DE doesn't really matter when you only run dozen terms =) | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I literally never see desktop wallpaper | 00:32 |
| joga | sixwheeledbeast, tried it, but just seems gnome 2 but a bit shoddy in comparison to the good olden days | 00:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have 6 Workspaces and rarely see wallpaper either | 00:33 |
| joga | anyway, it doesn't matter, I can run whatever but important is that tmux is there to keep the actual stuff organized, it just helps if the wm/de is compliant with whatever one needs to do | 00:34 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I think MATE is great, it's the GNOME2 experience I like without all the gnome rubbish that came with it. | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lets start with my screen setup, with taskswitcher on top instead of integrated into bottom bar: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/03/plasma-desktopv17764.png | 00:36 |
| joga | I wish there was a simple UI that's sorta the default and for which users with simple needs and low technical skill can get help with and which works with even low-end computers if needed. that would be helpful | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know how to achieve that in another desktop manager | 00:36 |
| joga | why do you need a task switcher at all | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why don't you? | 00:37 |
| joga | with a tiling wm I'd just "go" where I want to | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you're n ot the multitasking person like I am= | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tiling = BS, I want fullscreen windows | 00:38 |
| joga | you get that with tiling | 00:38 |
| joga | and tabs, and workspaces, and splits, etc | 00:38 |
| joga | I've been using it since 2003 or so and have never found anything better, tmux just enhances it with its own similar operation | 00:39 |
| joga | it's basically a tiling wm in cli | 00:39 |
| parazyd | http://pub.parazyd.cf/dev/random/wins.png | 00:39 |
| parazyd | task switcher is a shell script calling dmenu :) | 00:39 |
| parazyd | joga: take a look at dtvm | 00:41 |
| parazyd | http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/dvtm/ | 00:41 |
| joga | hmm, well it seems like uzbl for browsing (which is fine) but I don't think I'll need that now | 00:42 |
| parazyd | :) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I got too many tasks/windows for that, and alt-tab works great the way I configured it: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/03/plasma-desktopN17764.png | 00:43 |
| parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: same like my dmenu | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kist your dmenu seems pretty short, while this thing has a 80some scrollable entries | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just* | 00:45 |
| joga | at some point where I had to shut down my computer at work, I had perhaps 80+ terminals etc windows open, no problem whatsoever navigating them and keeping them running for months | 00:45 |
| parazyd | only i don't alt-tab, but call it with a hotkey and type a number, or a string in the window title :) | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh waaay too clumsy | 00:45 |
| joga | not really | 00:45 |
| joga | depends | 00:46 |
| joga | I like to keep stuff in fixed layouts | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alt-tab takes me 0.1s to switch between last two apps, 0.4s to switch between last 4 | 00:46 |
| joga | and find what I want the way I think about those things, ie. "workspace 2" and perhaps "lower left" there | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | literally just 'pres and release alt+tab' to switch between two tasks | 00:46 |
| parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: well right now i don't have many windows open. but it hasn't a limit | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kust like MHD task switching :-D | 00:47 |
| parazyd | it's nitpicking now, but you still need multiples of alt-tab presses to get where you want | 00:47 |
| joga | and "lower left" might also have infinite tabs with similar stuff that one can flip through | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kust MHD uses ctlr-backspace | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, typing broken today | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: not to switch between last two tasks used | 00:48 |
| joga | ctrl-alt-backspace ftw | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to switch to task befor last one: alt-down tab tab alt-up | 00:49 |
| parazyd | i also have alt-tab to switch two latest... but as i said: nitpicking :D | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and shift-down inverses direction that tab clicks move through the list | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pressing esc before alt-up escapes from task scwitching | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in times before X11 I used alt-F1 to alt-F12 for that sort of thing :-) | 00:51 |
| joga | I dunno, for most workflows non-tiling simply doesn't make any sense, so much time is wasted on just finding what to have there or shooting them in some corners or whatever, I find it makes more sense to have sorta like bins of stuff like programs running and then I can shuffle through them or simply jump to something if I know what it was | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays I usually only use vt1 and vt2 on top of X on vt7 | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joga: well, that's what I use mouse and taskswitcher bar on top of screen for | 00:53 |
| joga | I prefer not to use the mouse for window management | 00:54 |
| kerio | mission control ^-^ | 00:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | scroll wheel on workspace switcher here, ms to move between stuff | 00:54 |
| kerio | 4-finger swipe up and i have all the windows | 00:54 |
| joga | hand on mouse is wasted time :p | 00:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | unless you are constatly working with text then you are likely to require the mouse for your next action anyway | 00:56 |
| kerio | people sometimes say that | 00:57 |
| kerio | how fucking far is the mouse from your keyboard anyway | 00:57 |
| kerio | do you have four numpads | 00:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 00:57 |
| joga | eh | 00:57 |
| kerio | my trackpad is right below the spacebar | 00:57 |
| joga | yes, I'm constantly working with text, also, mouse-requiring UIs are simply unergonomic to use with a typical laptop touchpad | 00:57 |
| joga | surfing the random webs can be ok, but it's not ok to have to constantly meddle with the mouse | 00:58 |
| kerio | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 00:58 |
| joga | not only is it slow, it's primarily uncomfortable | 00:59 |
| kerio | have you considered that maybe you haven't used a good trackpad instead? | 00:59 |
| parazyd | thinkpads are pretty comfy | 00:59 |
| joga | yes I have used many trackpad/touchpads/nipples etc | 00:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | To each there own, that is the benefit of having an OS that you can customise to your taste. | 00:59 |
| joga | nipples are best | 00:59 |
| joga | still, when I go blind, I will not use a mouse anyway | 00:59 |
| parazyd | joga: you say it like it's a matter of time :D | 01:00 |
| joga | it might be! not that I have any condition to suggest it, but I comfort myself in the fact that my daily computing doesn't require vision necessarily :p | 01:00 |
| joga | for one, this particular work laptop has a goddawful touchpad, Lenovo Y50 (it was purchased mostly for its GPU at some point but I just ended up using it for now) | 01:02 |
| parazyd | yeah yogas are not the best | 01:03 |
| joga | it's the worst touchpad I've used I think, in terms of what it tries to do and how much it fails | 01:03 |
| parazyd | x220 touchpad isn't much better | 01:03 |
| joga | I bought a second hand x220 a while ago, but I disabled the touchpad, I prefer the nipple | 01:03 |
| parazyd | but i got myself using the nipple(?) mouse more | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rejecting taskswitcher bar because it's too uncomfortable compared to alt-tab switching and not vision-ompaired-compatible doesn't make sense. I got both and use what's more confortable to use for the task at hand | 01:03 |
| parazyd | in the meantime, i'm looking into the 1080p screen mod for the x220 | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I can't think of any method more up to screenreader use by the vision impaired than alt-tab switching | 01:05 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer05, I think one should use what works, but this the desktop I find the most usable (not necessarily any particular layout, but the features) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/ION3_Screenshot.jpg | 01:05 |
| joga | emphasis on the *I* | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! tiled tiny windows | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't think of any window I have open right now that I have in non-maximized mode | 01:06 |
| Maxdamantus | at work most of my windows are probably gitk. | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I rarely need two windows side by side on screen | 01:06 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer05, yeah but the thing is, it's just one keypress to fullscreen any of tem | 01:07 |
| joga | *them | 01:07 |
| Maxdamantus | and yeah, I usually have my xmonad screens set to full. | 01:07 |
| joga | I like the option to set up a static frame layout for whatever I'm doing | 01:08 |
| parazyd | Maxdamantus: hehe now i know you use a binary-based distro :p | 01:08 |
| joga | so I can just set any sort of programs that I can't comfortably tile with tmux or whatever visible the way I need or what's convenient, or maybe simply grouping them in a fullscreen workspace with just tabs there of different but related windows. it's just some flexibility | 01:08 |
| parazyd | since xmonad | 01:09 |
| Maxdamantus | parazyd: well, I've always installed xmonad through cabal. | 01:09 |
| Maxdamantus | parazyd: (which is source-based) | 01:09 |
| Maxdamantus | My machine at work is Debian, the one I'm using at home atm is Gentoo. | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? I could do that too if I'd find it useful. I don't | 01:09 |
| parazyd | meh on gentoo i never got myself to compile haskell | 01:10 |
| parazyd | it's awfully large | 01:10 |
| Maxdamantus | on this machine I just install GHC through nix. | 01:10 |
| Maxdamantus | which is basically source-based but with a remote cache. | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a few years ago I had hotkeys defined to maximize and un-maximize windows. I discarded then since I never use then since years | 01:11 |
| joga | most of the time if have a "float split" workspaces with two mostly overlapping but depth-wise togglable frames with 1-4 frames each, so it's quick to navigate between them and I can see the bottom lines of the one at the bottom while I'm doing something else with the others | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/then/them/g | 01:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: a few years ago I had hotkeys defined to maximize and un-maximize windows. I discarded them since I never use them since years | 01:12 |
| Maxdamantus | the screen that has my terminal is usually actually wide (well, "Mirror Tall"), because I'll sometimes want to move my browser onto it so the terminal/browser are both visible while something is shown fullscreen on my other monitor. | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the point however is that user _can_ do all those things, with gnome that's pretty hard if possible at all | 01:13 |
| Maxdamantus | but it usually only has one tiled window (urxvt) on it, so it's basically full anyway. | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not a fan of DEs that support only one approach | 01:17 |
| joga | maybe this guy explains something about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z1DX5trng0&t=6m51s | 01:17 |
| Maxdamantus | What DE is he talking about that has one approach? | 01:17 |
| joga | (just tried to search something about it, it's sorta hard to explain the usage in text alone) | 01:17 |
| Maxdamantus | usually "tiling" WMs have floating windows too. | 01:18 |
| joga | yeah, notion also has those | 01:18 |
| joga | also floating scratchpad always accessible | 01:18 |
| Maxdamantus | I always have a particular game running in a floating window. | 01:18 |
| parazyd | a scratchpad is the most useful thing ever | 01:18 |
| parazyd | so good i ported it to dwm | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~memory | 06:10 |
| infobot | The memory smacks of usage!, or vulnerable, see http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98195&page=1 | 06:10 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ping | 12:37 |
| Pali | freemangordon: pong | 12:48 |
| freemangordon | Pali: check your mail. in short - hildon-status-manu crashing is because of your changes to HAM | 12:50 |
| Pali | saw | 12:50 |
| Pali | about https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/3edbb49dc6c2ee66917c8f165f6a52ee10df1984 | 12:50 |
| Pali | provider is stored in provider | 12:50 |
| Pali | this one should be OK | 12:51 |
| Pali | problem is probably in commit 03ed723f3b2439764d3224ef051c6853fd2ebd85 | 12:51 |
| freemangordon | see my latest mail | 12:51 |
| Pali | yes, double free | 12:52 |
| Pali | those commits bring support for "New update" notification | 12:52 |
| Pali | on repository.maemo.org should be already present file about new CSSU update | 12:53 |
| Pali | ham needs to be configured to use that file instead on downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 12:53 |
| freemangordon | aah, I see | 12:53 |
| Pali | and it checks it once per day, even apt-get is not running | 12:53 |
| freemangordon | ok, got it now | 12:53 |
| Pali | so user get information about new SSU update | 12:53 |
| freemangordon | Pali: also, see my note re killing h-d on update | 12:54 |
| Pali | yes looking on iy | 12:54 |
| freemangordon | I think this should be reverted, at least partially | 12:54 |
| Pali | killing h-d is not a problem | 12:55 |
| freemangordon | an hour ago, when installing testing-testing, I got a dialog asking me about whether to flash cssu-kernel | 12:55 |
| Pali | it is already done by HAM | 12:55 |
| Pali | via dsme | 12:55 |
| freemangordon | but, it was like on 2/3 of the screen, in the upper-left corner | 12:55 |
| Pali | I just added another kill_all to make sure even if dsme fails | 12:55 |
| freemangordon | hmm, another problem then | 12:55 |
| Pali | in some cases dsme can fail | 12:56 |
| Pali | this is fallback | 12:56 |
| Pali | I just added kill_all for every process which is stopped by dsme (look at that code) | 12:56 |
| freemangordon | what is the problem if dsme fails? device cannot be rebooted? | 12:56 |
| Pali | dsme stop can fail | 12:57 |
| Pali | that is to ensure that all needed processes are stopped | 12:57 |
| freemangordon | ok | 12:57 |
| Pali | because in the process of upgrade they do not work | 12:57 |
| Pali | as libraries in system are changing | 12:57 |
| Pali | e.g. hildon-status-menu can reload plugins if they appear in VFS | 12:58 |
| freemangordon | ah, I see | 12:58 |
| Pali | and so it must be not runinng when doing update | 12:58 |
| freemangordon | ok, this is clear now | 12:58 |
| Pali | and I saw some situation when dsme did not stopped hildon-status-menu | 12:58 |
| Pali | even dsme though hildon-status-menu is already stopped | 12:58 |
| Pali | ideally fix that double free | 12:59 |
| Pali | and I will try to find where is URL for that SSU notify | 12:59 |
| Pali | seems we do not have it in HAM yet :-( | 12:59 |
| freemangordon | still, I wonder why I got that ugly dialog. looks like a bug in that piece of SW that shows the dialog | 12:59 |
| Pali | new URL should be in next CSSU release | 12:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali: so, HAM should not be included in the new -testing, right? | 13:00 |
| Pali | should be, but with fix for double free | 13:00 |
| freemangordon | (12,59,25) Pali: seems we do not have it in HAM yet :-( | 13:00 |
| freemangordon | ^^^ ? | 13:00 |
| Pali | we do not have new URL in HAM | 13:00 |
| Pali | so still is using old downloads.maemo.... | 13:01 |
| Pali | like all versions before | 13:01 |
| freemangordon | then why include it if the functionality is the same as before those changes? | 13:01 |
| freemangordon | because of killing of the processes? | 13:02 |
| Pali | there are other changes too | 13:02 |
| freemangordon | ok, going to fix that double-free | 13:02 |
| Pali | e.g. include PR1.3 HAM in CSSU | 13:02 |
| freemangordon | Pali: unless you want to do it? | 13:02 |
| Pali | I'm going to find that URL... | 13:03 |
| freemangordon | ok | 13:03 |
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| Pali | ok, got it | 13:05 |
| Pali | old was: http://tableteer.nokia.com/application-notices/notice-${HARDWARE}-fremantle | 13:05 |
| Pali | new is: http://repository.maemo.org/application-notices/notice-${HARDWARE}-fremantle.html | 13:05 |
| freemangordon | Pali: you're going to change something? | 13:09 |
| Pali | yes, just Makefile.am | 13:09 |
| freemangordon | ok | 13:09 |
| freemangordon | Pali: done | 13:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali: please, add entries in changelog as well, so the package to be ready for ilew to build and push it | 13:14 |
| Pali | ok | 13:14 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: done package is in cssu-devel | 13:57 |
| Pali | and also in git on github | 13:58 |
| Pali | freemangordon: do you have access to that notice-${HARDWARE}-fremantle.html file? | 14:01 |
| Michael_a320 | thanks for all your work. :-) | 14:01 |
| Pali | it should be updated every time when new CSSU stable is released | 14:02 |
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| Sicelo | am in the only one having problem with supl.nokia.com? | 14:28 |
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| Sicelo | openssl connects to it, but Ovi Maps doesn't seem to succeed getting A-GPS info | 14:31 |
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| Sicelo | https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522819&postcount=228 | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl | 14:43 |
| infobot | supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe it's just slow | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or your device missing the cert patch once published and afaik included to CSSU | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/97725536 | 14:55 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: on which server, r.m.o? | 15:19 |
| Pali | http://repository.maemo.org/application-notices/notice-${HARDWARE}-fremantle.html | 15:19 |
| freemangordon | I guess yes, lemme check | 15:19 |
| freemangordon | Pali: yes, I have access | 15:21 |
| Pali | ok | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | Pali: wait, what kind of access? | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | ssh? | 15:21 |
| Pali | edit that file | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | Pali: who put it there? | 15:21 |
| Pali | do not remember | 15:22 |
| freemangordon | what to edit? | 15:23 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 15:23 |
| Pali | chanlog told me that xes! | 15:23 |
| freemangordon | maybe it is better to ask him then | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | or it is CSSU that "owns" that file | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | ? | 15:24 |
| Pali | yes, CSSU stable should own that file | 15:24 |
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| freemangordon | ok | 15:24 |
| Pali | every time when new CSSU stable is released, that file content should be updated | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | so, what needs to be edited? | 15:25 |
| freemangordon | updated how? | 15:25 |
| Pali | so ideally include version number or something | 15:25 |
| Pali | content of file needs to be changed | 15:25 |
| Pali | to that will trig HAM to show update | 15:25 |
| freemangordon | Pali: http://pastebin.com/FsBvYe18 | 15:26 |
| freemangordon | Pali: but, this is for -stable, right? | 15:27 |
| Pali | when content of that file is changed then HAM show update | 15:27 |
| Pali | yes that points to stable | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | and updated HAM is not in -stable | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | Pali: what about changing <text>Includes latest fixes for Maemo 5 system by Maemo Community</text> to: | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | <text>Includes latest fixes for Maemo 5 system by Maemo Community - $VERSION</text>? | 15:28 |
| Pali | it can be changed as you wish | 15:28 |
| Pali | just content needs to be changed | 15:28 |
| Pali | text is shown in that ham notifier | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok, but should I do it now? | 15:28 |
| Pali | no need | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | there is no new CSSU afaik | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | ah, ok | 15:28 |
| Pali | after HAM will be in cssu-stable | 15:28 |
| Pali | and after new cssu-stable will be released | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | I guess it is merlin1991 who is supposed to do it, right? | 15:29 |
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| Pali | yes | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok, if after issuing new -stable merlin1991 is not willing to edit that file, I will do it :) | 15:30 |
| freemangordon | but lets first make him issue a new -stable | 15:31 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I thought supl server issues where fixed? It was a cert IIRC not an issue with supl.nokia.com. Is your system time correct? | 17:53 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: at least here it works fine. And yes, there were certificate issues fixed in CSSU | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: Sicelo? | 18:59 |
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| Vajb | supl.nokia.com working here also | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | <text>Includes latest fixes for Maemo 5 system by Maemo Community - $VERSION $(date +%Y-%m-%d)</text> | 20:21 |
| Sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: yes, all is well with my time and cert (i'm on cssu-thumb) | 20:25 |
| Sicelo | both location-test-gui and ovi maps seem to make a request to h-slp.mnc002.mcc655.pub.3gppnetwork.org .. which doesn't resolve | 20:41 |
| Sicelo | no idea where it gets that from | 20:41 |
| Sicelo | 655-02 would be my network operator of course, but i don't know how N900 gets to know about this hostname | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | you've got a virus | 20:43 |
| Sicelo | :p | 20:44 |
| Sicelo | stop being dramatic :) | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like ~gsm-agps | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka RRLP | 20:53 |
| Sicelo | yes that's what i think .. but i'm specifying AGNSS in location-test-gui | 20:54 |
| Sicelo | log of an A-GPS session: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522819&postcount=228 | 20:55 |
| Sicelo | wow .. my 2nd N900 got A-GPS fix in just 3s | 20:57 |
| Sicelo | never contacted anything else besides supl.nokia.com | 20:58 |
| LjL | that still works? | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | yes, always worked | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: that should get resolved by your MNO afaik. do you have SIm card in that device? | 21:08 |
| Sicelo | yes, i do | 21:08 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9533067&postcount=10 | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, 3s is RRLP, standard on 3G nowadays | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps | 21:10 |
| infobot | rumour has it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 21:10 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: my main N900 is the one coming up with this address, and no fix. the 2nd N900 is the one with quicker fix, and no attempt to contact this address. 2nd N900 has different operator's SIM though | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since GPS is integral component of BB5 modem, it's totally opaque to userland *how* the fix got established | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: do I realy need to suggest the onvious? ;-) | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obvious* | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap SIMs | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use airplane mode. (though now you got ephem/alm in cache, so it's pointless anyway) | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | i'm going to do that of course | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I did similar tests a maybe 6 years ago, and it turned out: 3G *and* correct system time allow a TTFF<5s | 21:13 |
| Sicelo | tested 3 SIM cards now .. the 1st N900 always considers the 3gppnetwork.org address, of course with the corresponding MCC/MNC in the hostname. no fix | 21:30 |
| Sicelo | 2nd N900 .. with any of the SIM cards .. quick fix. no 3gpp address looked up at all | 21:42 |
| Sicelo | i'll reinstall location-proxy on 1st N900 .. no idea if it will help | 21:43 |
| Sicelo | i'll add that 2nd N900 has not been used for GPS in a very long time .. so has the least 'knowledge' about my location compared to 1st | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you know http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/non-free/l/location-test-gui/ I'm sure | 22:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer05: Hi Doc, are you active on the 05 or 51 nickname? | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none, I'm inactive on IRC, and my flu is active on me | 22:05 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer05: Oh, that is a shame. Did you read my quickly sent direct message? | 22:06 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer05: I hope that you'll get rid of that nasty flu | 22:06 |
| DrGrov | I will send you a quick question if you do not mind? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead | 22:06 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: 20:55 < Sicelo> yes that's what i think .. but i'm specifying AGNSS in | location-test-gui | 22:07 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly muses how much a N900 would cost and weigh when built with technology of 1980 | 22:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in 1980 | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly needs two dozen Z80, a 50 to 100 bucks each? just to start with | 22:34 |
| warfare | Or a few m68ks | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | or a bunch of sticks and stones | 22:42 |
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| kerio | but the n900 is basically 80s technology 🤔 | 23:19 |
| buZz | <3 n900 | 23:20 |
| Juesto | lol 80s | 23:27 |
| ravelo | hehe | 23:46 |
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| LjL | 70s technology at best | 23:50 |
| LjL | i'm sure i've spotted some valves in it | 23:50 |
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| Juesto | ;o | 23:56 |
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