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| buZz | wooo CP-321 is really nice :) | 11:06 |
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| Sicelo | what is it | 11:20 |
| buZz | a little 'sleeve' case for the n900 | 11:20 |
| Sicelo | ah :-) | 11:21 |
| buZz | http://images.mobilefun.co.uk/graphics/productgalleries/21662/nokia-cp-321-nokia-n900-black-p21662-a.jpg | 11:21 |
| Sicelo | i wish to get CP-408 | 11:22 |
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| buZz | if that had a magnet instead of a pushbutton, it would be nice | 11:23 |
| Sicelo | i prefer in-place cases, where i can fully use device without getting it out of case. CP-321 seems to have had bad review in general though :( | 11:25 |
| buZz | yeah its a full cover | 11:25 |
| Sicelo | but great if you like it :) | 11:25 |
| buZz | not for usage | 11:25 |
| buZz | but great for storage :) | 11:26 |
| buZz | gotta keep my backup n900 fresh ;) | 11:26 |
| Wizzup | pdair has great cases for the n900 | 11:26 |
| Wizzup | https://www.pdair.com/nokia-n900-aluminum-metal-case-black | 11:27 |
| bencoh | do they actually still sell those? | 11:27 |
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| Wizzup | yes | 11:29 |
| Wizzup | I ordered a few ~4 months ago | 11:29 |
| Wizzup | and they say it's still in stock, so... | 11:29 |
| kerio | otterbox | 11:29 |
| Michael_a380_ | wow, are they worth it (pdair)? Seems pricey. | 11:30 |
| Wizzup | I like the cases, but mind that you need to open it (not: take out the phone, just open it) to use the keyboard | 11:30 |
| Wizzup | They've saved my phone quite a few times, I like to believe | 11:30 |
| kerio | i used to use an otterbox but it was a bit too bulky | 11:31 |
| Michael_a380_ | Still have it? People are looking to buy, on TMO. | 11:32 |
| Michael_a380_ | Any particular good case for N9 ? | 11:32 |
| kerio | eeh, mine is missing at least one of the "teeth" that keep the screen part in place | 11:32 |
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| Sicelo | funny enough, that cp-321 is the only n900 pouch available here :p | 11:42 |
| buZz | here? | 12:05 |
| buZz | 'on the internet' ? :D | 12:05 |
| * buZz drools @ http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-MOS-KIM1-Revision-F-Rare-1976-Single-Board-Computer-/282335096253 | 12:06 | |
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| buZz | can i still get replacement touch glass front? | 12:07 |
| buZz | one of my n900's is really scratched a lot.. | 12:07 |
| Maxdamantus | it's plastic, not glass. | 12:08 |
| buZz | ok :) | 12:08 |
| Maxdamantus | since it's a resistive touchscreen, don't want to be bending glass. | 12:08 |
| buZz | oooo full replacement case | 12:11 |
| buZz | nice, i wonder if that would also make the hinges more tight | 12:11 |
| kerio | did estel's full aluminum case ever come to life | 12:12 |
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| buZz | estel seems MIA | 12:17 |
| buZz | Sicelo: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0038J06GI/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new | 12:18 |
| buZz | dno if that helps you | 12:18 |
| buZz | does anyone know if this includes hinges? ; http://www.ebay.nl/itm/HOUSING-NOKIA-N900-GENUINE-GRADE-B-TOUCH-SCREEN-SET-/322339524424 | 12:20 |
| buZz | funny how screen is upside down @ pictures :P | 12:21 |
| buZz | oh wow, 2 euro replacement touch modules | 12:24 |
| buZz | ah, wrong nokia n900 ;( | 12:25 |
| bencoh | reminds me I need a new antiglare screen protector | 12:30 |
| bencoh | any product you guys would recommend? | 12:30 |
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| buZz | bencoh: ducttape? :D | 12:41 |
| buZz | no, no clue, i never use such products | 12:41 |
| Vajb | bencoh: i have on brand in use and i like, will check it's name when i get back home. They come in packs of two | 13:05 |
| Vajb | one* | 13:05 |
| Vajb | one brand* | 13:05 |
| bencoh | I kinda liked the last ones I bought (dont remember the brand either) but they no longer sell it anymore :/ | 13:07 |
| bencoh | (I bought mines like 3 years ago) | 13:07 |
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| bencoh | Vajb: thx :) | 13:07 |
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| bencoh | Vajb: btw http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522324&postcount=196 | 15:28 |
| Wizzup | > tar -xvzf telegram-cli_1.3.3.tar.gz -C \ | 15:29 |
| Wizzup | that seems wrong | 15:29 |
| bencoh | well, WIP I'd say :) | 15:29 |
| bencoh | he did push some dependencies to extras, so he might push it as well | 15:29 |
| Vajb | oh this is newest cli version? | 15:31 |
| bencoh | dunno, looks like it :) | 15:32 |
| Vajb | bencoh: Celly screen protector www.celly.com. It was nokia n900 specific. | 15:32 |
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| Vajb | bought it from local shop few years ago tho, but first film is lasted wery well | 15:32 |
| bencoh | oh, thanks | 15:32 |
| bencoh | Vajb: antiglare as well? | 15:33 |
| Vajb | doubt, tho package says "less reflections of light" | 15:34 |
| Vajb | but where to compare | 15:34 |
| Vajb | i don't carry all my devices with me to compare :p | 15:35 |
| Vajb | once sun caused some problem with proximity sensor tho, but t was solved as i blocked sun from sensor | 15:35 |
| bencoh | Vajb: they don't sell it anymore, right? | 15:40 |
| kerio | please don't use telegram | 15:44 |
| kerio | it's pretty mediocre | 15:44 |
| bencoh | kerio: got any serious alternative? :/ | 15:47 |
| kerio | on n900? | 15:47 |
| bencoh | (tbh I kinda gave up) | 15:48 |
| bencoh | yeah | 15:48 |
| kerio | ...whatsapp desktop in fennec or chromium :^) | 15:48 |
| bencoh | seriously? ... | 15:48 |
| kerio | why not | 15:48 |
| kerio | i mean i haven't tested it | 15:48 |
| kerio | because it'll probably run like super shit | 15:49 |
| kerio | but | 15:49 |
| bencoh | and you still need an android phone to allow browser to connect | 15:49 |
| kerio | yes, but that's easily done by running an android VM *in the cloud* | 15:49 |
| bencoh | I'm not sure that works nowadays | 15:49 |
| kerio | as a bonus, you get to use multiple clients and still have that nice trusted end-to-end encryption | 15:49 |
| kerio | bencoh: i am literally using it right now | 15:49 |
| bencoh | what? android vm in the cloud? | 15:49 |
| kerio | running in bhyve on freebsd, even | 15:50 |
| kerio | android-x86 is absolutely not picky | 15:50 |
| bencoh | with whatsapp? | 15:50 |
| kerio | ye | 15:50 |
| kerio | logging in the desktop client was a fucking adventure tho | 15:50 |
| bencoh | hmm, don't they actually check if you're running it on a phone nowadays? | 15:50 |
| kerio | the only way is having the android box use a camera to scan a qr code | 15:50 |
| bencoh | yeah | 15:50 |
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| bencoh | that's what I thought then :) | 15:50 |
| kerio | bencoh: you can just download the apk from https://whatsapp.com/android | 15:51 |
| Vajb | very convenient | 15:51 |
| kerio | Vajb: it's pretty damn convenient if the whatsapp endpoint is on a real phone | 15:51 |
| kerio | kind of awkward if it's a VM | 15:51 |
| Vajb | bencoh: no idea. I haven't been looking for new protectors lately | 15:51 |
| buZz | selfnarcing is in nobodies interest | 15:51 |
| kerio | i ended up taking a picture of my screen with a tablet, rotating the tablet 90°, and presenting it to the passed-through webcam | 15:51 |
| bencoh | huhu | 15:52 |
| Vajb | well runnin whatsapp on desktop wouldn't help me at all | 15:52 |
| kerio | the qr code actually has a pretty big key | 15:52 |
| kerio | and it changes every like 30 seconds or so when you're doing that "pairing" thing | 15:52 |
| Vajb | maybe mirror would have worked too :) | 15:53 |
| kerio | Vajb: it's not whatsapp desktop, it's called "whatsapp web" | 15:53 |
| kerio | Vajb: i had to rotate the image too tho | 15:53 |
| Vajb | ah right | 15:53 |
| kerio | because obviously the VM screen was like 800x600 | 15:53 |
| kerio | which clearly means "landscape" as opposed to "portrait" | 15:53 |
| kerio | and not "this is a goddamn computer you piece of junk OS" | 15:54 |
| bencoh | huhu | 15:54 |
| kerio | but anyway, i have whatsapp on my laptop and i can pretend it's like every other IM service | 15:54 |
| Vajb | well i'll use telegram until it works and after it doesn't i switch back to sms | 15:54 |
| kerio | who even uses telegram | 15:54 |
| kerio | and why | 15:54 |
| buZz | all the phone fanboys i know use telegram | 15:54 |
| Vajb | i use it because whatsap isn't working | 15:55 |
| kerio | literally nobody i know uses any mobile IM service other than whatsapp | 15:55 |
| * buZz doesnt | 15:55 | |
| kerio | buZz: why would they | 15:55 |
| buZz | kerio: to talk to each other | 15:55 |
| bencoh | who, usually hipsters/geeks/techfans and some of their friends | 15:55 |
| buZz | as they all left whatsapp | 15:55 |
| kerio | no, geeks and techfans use signal | 15:55 |
| buZz | when FB bought it | 15:55 |
| kerio | or they should | 15:55 |
| bencoh | why, because ... it's still more permissive than whatsapp | 15:55 |
| bencoh | kerio: didn't they kill signal at some point? | 15:55 |
| kerio | ? no | 15:55 |
| kerio | signal is just whatsapp with blocking on key changes | 15:56 |
| Vajb | and running whatsap on laptop isn't changing the fact that it is not working in n900 | 15:56 |
| kerio | Vajb: yea but you could run whatsapp desktop on n900 :3 | 15:56 |
| kerio | it's only a super javascript-heavy website after all | 15:56 |
| Vajb | as in facebook messenger? | 15:56 |
| kerio | we all know the n900 is great at those | 15:56 |
| kerio | er, whatsapp web | 15:57 |
| Vajb | reload page every now and then to get new messages etc | 15:57 |
| kerio | https://web.whatsapp.com | 15:57 |
| kerio | no no | 15:57 |
| kerio | you wish | 15:57 |
| kerio | it does some weird-ass synchronization with the phone app | 15:57 |
| kerio | and is incredibly heavy, i bet | 15:57 |
| kerio | the "desktop" client is just a browser app or whatever | 15:58 |
| kerio | i mean it has to do crypto in javascript | 15:58 |
| Vajb | tried to open that with n900 opera and got information that it works in chrome 36 or newer | 15:59 |
| bencoh | kerio: hmpf :) | 15:59 |
| Sicelo | i have yet to get a real reason why kerio considers telegram bad. sure it doesn't match Signal protocol .. but | 15:59 |
| bencoh | what's so great about Signal? | 15:59 |
| kerio | Sicelo: crypto is either broken or not broken | 15:59 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: don't waste your time. kerio isn't even using it on N900 too | 15:59 |
| kerio | Vajb: try fennec | 15:59 |
| kerio | i wanna see if you get at least the qr code thingy | 15:59 |
| Vajb | i might as well try through my browser | 16:00 |
| kerio | i would test myself but my phone is all the way *there* | 16:00 |
| bencoh | "there" ? | 16:00 |
| Vajb | i wasted so much time with stickers so why not some more with whatsap :D | 16:00 |
| kerio | on my shelf | 16:00 |
| kerio | and i'm at my desk | 16:00 |
| warfare | Sicelo: Telegram doesn't encrypt by default and they rolled their own crypto. | 16:00 |
| Sicelo | signal is currently considerd there best encrypted IM at this point in time, bencoh | 16:00 |
| kerio | their own """crypto""" | 16:00 |
| Sicelo | yes, they never hid that fact about own crypto. problem? | 16:01 |
| kerio | Vajb: microb is way older than fennec | 16:01 |
| kerio | Sicelo: yes, pretty much every cryptographer has told them "your crypto is bad" and they went "nanananana i cant hear you" | 16:01 |
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| Vajb | fennec says that whatsap works with firefox 30 or newer | 16:02 |
| kerio | :( | 16:02 |
| Vajb | microb says the same | 16:03 |
| kerio | i can't even get to the whatsapp page | 16:03 |
| Sicelo | it was obvious ... | 16:03 |
| kerio | i get redirected to the main page | 16:03 |
| Wizzup | 15:00 < Sicelo> signal is currently considerd there best encrypted IM at this point in time, bencoh | 16:04 |
| Wizzup | you mean the most usable for noobs | 16:04 |
| bencoh | huhu | 16:04 |
| kerio | Wizzup: no, the axolotl ratcheting actually beats otr in terms of security as well | 16:04 |
| Wizzup | it's a centralised system, where you have to trust them to ship you the right code, to not send you faulty trust crap | 16:04 |
| Wizzup | For me, it's out at the 'centralised system' | 16:04 |
| Wizzup | but it's of course what makes it popular. ;) | 16:05 |
| kerio | it's... got end to end? | 16:05 |
| buZz | i dno | 16:05 |
| buZz | they can just PM me on irc | 16:05 |
| kerio | Wizzup: https://github.com/WhisperSystems | 16:05 |
| buZz | i dont need some hipster IM | 16:05 |
| Sicelo | Wizzup: i completely agree with you | 16:05 |
| buZz | nothing to gain with it :) | 16:05 |
| kerio | buZz: except a reasonable expectation of privacy? | 16:06 |
| buZz | doesnt bring me any more than a /msg buZz boobs | 16:06 |
| Vajb | qml-browser redirects me to mainpage | 16:06 |
| Vajb | if everyone were just using irc or jabber all would be easier... | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | kerio: the trust mgmt is not | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | kerio: and the source is not reproducibly built | 16:07 |
| bencoh | kerio: https://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/09%20when-signal-hits-the-fan-on-the-usability-and-security-of-state-of-the-art-secure-mobile-messaging.pdf ? | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | and it's shipped by google | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | and so on | 16:07 |
| kerio | trust management? | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | kerio: you search for me, find my in their central index, and request my key info. you will know when it changes, but you won't know that the initial one is mine, unless we explicitly sit down next to each other and compare the FPs | 16:12 |
| Vajb | btw thinkpad users, how u open link in new tab with single click? | 16:12 |
| Wizzup | e.g. pgp keyservers are useless if you trust them blindly (and those are not even centralised luckily) | 16:12 |
| kerio | Vajb: hold ctrl? | 16:12 |
| Vajb | wow | 16:13 |
| kerio | you didn't know? :o | 16:13 |
| Vajb | all life is learning | 16:13 |
| kerio | nice :3 | 16:13 |
| kerio | today, i made the difference | 16:13 |
| Vajb | didn't | 16:13 |
| Vajb | my old acer had button emulating mousewheelclick | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | Vajb: left+right mouse button | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | or middle mouse button | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | that all works in firefox | 16:14 |
| kerio | Wizzup: are you seriously claiming that pgp's model is better | 16:14 |
| kerio | with the weird web of trusts and the updated signatures | 16:14 |
| kerio | pgp /failed/ | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | pgp is extremely widespread in use | 16:14 |
| kerio | no it's not | 16:14 |
| Vajb | left+right not working wery well in chrome | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | I am not interested in the discussion, we clearly disagree. | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | Just check how your linux distro updates is packages | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | or the only usable email encryption | 16:15 |
| kerio | openbsd uses signify, not gnupg :) | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | Yes, I know | 16:15 |
| kerio | the only usable email encryption - kinda - is S/MIME, not pgp | 16:15 |
| ceene | Wizzup: you're mostly right, but i don't know a single one non technical person that knows what pgp is | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | haha | 16:15 |
| bencoh | err | 16:16 |
| Wizzup | I know *noone* who s/mime | 16:16 |
| kerio | ceene: take a guess at how many keys have ever been published on the keyserver pool | 16:16 |
| ceene | so in the end this is just another discussion on why people chooses to use things that we don't agree with :) | 16:16 |
| Wizzup | kerio: libressl also has completely shitty random generating code on systems that do not have getentropy | 16:16 |
| Wizzup | It's way worse than openssl'd even | 16:16 |
| Wizzup | tl;dr I don't really think that openbsd people know their crypto better than others | 16:16 |
| kerio | ...aiui libressl just errors out if there's no valid source of entropy | 16:17 |
| Wizzup | no, they do not | 16:17 |
| kerio | ceene: so, there's less than 5 million pgp keys | 16:18 |
| kerio | /in existance | 16:19 |
| kerio | / | 16:19 |
| ceene | that, however, doesn't provide any insight on its technical merits nor the security it provides | 16:20 |
| kerio | says something about the usability of the whole thing tho | 16:20 |
| ceene | possibly, yes | 16:20 |
| ceene | but not neccesarily | 16:21 |
| ceene | s/neccesarily/necessarily/ | 16:21 |
| ceene | why was orkut popular in brazil, but only in brazil, whereas facebook got internationally big? | 16:21 |
| ceene | there are some questions that are difficult to answer | 16:22 |
| kerio | i dunno, i doubt we'll see a resurgency in the usage of pgp | 16:22 |
| ceene | neither do i | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ((kerio> ceene: so, there's less than 5 million pgp keys)) no, since most people (particularly non-tech-affine users) simply don't use servers to ship their pubkeys, rather they attach them to emails (and yes, that's maybe not the smartest idea but in theory also works when receiver handles stuff right) | 21:17 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: and nobody bothered to upload them? | 21:56 |
| kerio | you don't need to control the private key to upload a key | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *I* know all that... so whatmdo you want to tell me? | 21:58 |
| kerio | that i call super bullshit on "most keys are not on sks" | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | up to you | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I ' not honestly interested in your devine 'I'm calling that' Trumpisms | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I also won't provide my email archives to you to prove my point | 22:02 |
| kerio | the strong set - which is supposed to be the decentralized alternative to the bad evil server - is still around 50k users | 22:07 |
| kerio | and there's no way there's a "shadow strong set" that only lives through emails | 22:07 |
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