IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2017-01-16

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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# alias uhls=':(){ mkdir /tmp/uh && mount --bind / /tmp/uh && pushd 2>&1 >/dev/null /tmp/uh && ls -lR `readlink -f $1|sed 's,^/,,'` && popd 2>&1 >/dev/null && umount /tmp/uh && rmdir /tmp/uh; };:'00:27
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# uhls /usr/lib/pyshared00:27
DocScrutinizer05usr/lib/pyshared:00:27
DocScrutinizer05insgesamt 000:27
OksanaaIs there a way to sync aliases with elsewhere, so that moving to a different device wouldn't mean recreating aliases from scratch?00:29
DocScrutinizer05copy ~/.alias ?00:36
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DocScrutinizer05you will need to save aliases anyway, it's not done automatically. So even logout would lose them00:36
DocScrutinizer05well, some distros do `alias >~/.alias` at shell logout00:38
DocScrutinizer05nos sure if maemo / maemo-bash does it00:38
DocScrutinizer05I got my own aliases handling, that is rather customized ;-)00:40
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/5521815800:41
freemangordonPali: any clue what is the replacement of /sys/kernel/low_watermark etc in upstream kernels?00:41
Palinothing00:42
Palilow_watermark is special in nokia kernel00:42
freemangordonhmm... do we need hulda then?00:42
PaliI do not know what hulda is doing00:42
freemangordonme neither, but it tries to open /sys/kernel/low_watermark and /sys/kernel/high_watermark00:43
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DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/68074392 FWIW00:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, what I miss are the details, otherwise it listens to some kernel stuff and sends dbus events when needed00:46
DocScrutinizer05yep, seems that's exactly what it does00:46
freemangordonand I am too lazy to read the whole source :)00:47
DocScrutinizer05hehe00:47
DocScrutinizer05nfc what's that watermark stuff though00:47
freemangordonwell, with porting fremantle alredy on the plate...00:47
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat /sys/kernel/*_watermark00:48
DocScrutinizer05000:48
DocScrutinizer05000:48
freemangordonsomeday I might look into kernel sources to see what it is, but not today :)00:48
DocScrutinizer05usually such watermark shit is about fifo buffer fill state00:49
DocScrutinizer05but maybe here about RAM or whatever00:49
freemangordonhowever, seems almost all startup scripts of the packages ported so far are ok00:49
Palisp-memusage/mem-cpu-monitor is using that file00:49
DocScrutinizer05HAH! :-)00:50
* DocScrutinizer05 is a good guesser00:50
Palikernel driver: security/lowmem.c00:50
freemangordoncan't we make a .ko from that?00:50
DocScrutinizer05o.O00:50
freemangordonthe same way as for iphbd00:50
DocScrutinizer05a .ko talking to kdbus? ;-)00:51
freemangordonwhatever it is00:51
DocScrutinizer05my guess would be you won't make friends with the idea of kernel modules talking to dbus00:52
freemangordonwell, this is just an interface I guess, which can be replaced00:52
PaliCONFIG_SECURITY_LOWMEM00:52
Pali"Low memory watermark support"00:52
Pali"Implements low memory watermark support"00:52
Palithats in Kconfig00:53
Paliand it comes from omap kernel00:53
Palinot from nokia kernel00:53
DocScrutinizer05:-))00:53
freemangordonand I understand nothing from that description :)00:53
Pali(omap kernel was mainline fork of torvalds kernel, later it was partially merged into mainline with some obsolated parts dropped)00:53
Pali(seems this was dropped)00:53
DocScrutinizer05hulda generally listens to kevents and sends according signals to dbus00:54
freemangordonand this seems to come from n770 times00:55
DocScrutinizer05I guess *_watermark is about configuring or reading details of memory related kevents00:55
DocScrutinizer05a terrible botch would be to replace this with free(1)00:56
DocScrutinizer05and polling00:56
Palihttp://lists.openwall.net/linux-kernel/2009/01/16/24800:56
PaliTo: Tony Lindgren and Pavel Machek00:56
Paligo and ask :-)00:56
freemangordonhehe00:57
freemangordonwill do00:57
freemangordonwhen it comes to it00:58
freemangordonPali: don't you want to join the party with fremantle porting?00:59
Palidoing lot of stuff :D00:59
freemangordonyes, I know, but still00:59
freemangordonI really doubt I will be able to do it on my own in some sane timeframe01:00
PaliI have open/unfinished parts for kernel01:00
Paliwhich I want to finish first01:00
Palie.g. jack/av cable detection01:00
Palior wifi firmware+mac address01:00
freemangordonunless the community gathers enough $ pay me to quit my job :D01:01
freemangordon*to pay01:01
freemangordonyeah01:01
DocScrutinizer05you rejected that when I asked ;-P01:01
freemangordonyou can't pay me enough01:01
freemangordon:p01:01
DocScrutinizer05you didn't even ask01:02
freemangordonI am old enough to think of retirement ;)01:02
DocScrutinizer05I'm too old  to think of retiremen01:02
freemangordonI think I know your budged, you can't afford to pay me01:03
DocScrutinizer05too late already01:03
freemangordonunless you won the lottery recently01:03
freemangordonanyway01:04
Paliaccording to my info, these 4 modules are in maemo kernel which do not have equivalent in mainline: PANIC_INFO_BUFF, CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_IDLETIMER, CONFIG_IP_NF_HB, CONFIG_SECURITY_LOWMEM01:04
freemangordonI think _IP_ stuff should be in iphb.ko, ain't?01:04
PaliCONFIG_IP_NF_HB is iphb01:05
freemangordonand what is this CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_IDLETIMER? isn't it in iphb as well?01:05
Paliipt_IDLETIMER.ko01:07
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a timer that triggers when no data via IP stack01:07
Palifunny part is: arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig:# CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_IDLETIMER is not set01:07
Paliand: arch/arm/configs/n800_defconfig:CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_IDLETIMER=y01:08
Paliso this module is not compiled on n90001:08
DocScrutinizer05I guess it's not exactly needed since IP interfaces are not going to get disabled when no traffic01:08
DocScrutinizer05unlike on most every other embedded crap device01:09
Pali"This option adds a `IDLETIMER' target. Each matching packet resets the timer associated with input and/or output interfaces. Timer expiry causes kobject uevent. Idle timer can be read via sysfs."01:09
DocScrutinizer05aaah, that's the cononical name - "kobject uevent" not kevent01:10
DocScrutinizer05some netsock stuff iirc01:10
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DocScrutinizer05and that's exactly what hulda is all about, afaik01:11
DocScrutinizer05Pali: is KP compiled with CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_IDLETIMER=y ?01:12
DocScrutinizer05seems a useful netfilter feature01:13
DocScrutinizer05for those planning to do more "than what you thought of when you first time put your rocks off" errr01:14
DocScrutinizer05F.Z - pinguin in bondage [/quote]  ;-)01:15
Palino, kp is without CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_IDLETIMER01:22
DocScrutinizer05>>This song suggests to the suggestible listener that the ordinary procedure, uh, that I'm circumlocuting at this present time in order to get this text on television, is that, uh, if you wanna do something other than what you thought you were gonna do when you first took your clothes off and you just happened to have some DEVICES around . . .<<01:23
DocScrutinizer05((no, kp is without)) this is maybe part of the reason why autodisconnect app ever was fucked up beyonf all repair01:24
DocScrutinizer05aiui it tries to implement a similar functionality without help of kevents01:25
DocScrutinizer05and netfilters01:25
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DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRHn6TsvteQ01:27
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DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J_m5Gum1rg the full package - way better, back then there was stuff like "concept albums"01:36
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KotCzarnyhmm, idea. it shouldnt be hard to replace broken search on t.m.o with google widget11:57
KotCzarnywho is tmo admin? xes?11:57
warfarechem|st is.11:59
bencohgoogle widget? are you serious? ...12:00
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KotCzarnybencoh, most people would use google to search tmo anyway12:08
KotCzarnyor even better it could be a simple form to redirect to google, ie google.com?search?q=something12:08
KotCzarnyso not even a widget12:09
KotCzarnybencoh, unless you know how to make tmo search work (i suspect some indexing service is not running)12:13
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chem|stKotCzarny: broken search widget?! powersearch works, that is google search12:34
KotCzarnywha'ts powersearch?12:36
chem|sthttp://talk.maemo.org/msearch.php12:37
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KotCzarnyum, but the thing on the top right doesnt work12:37
KotCzarnymaybe you should update this part?12:37
chem|stKotCzarny: it is in the menu the first item...12:37
chem|stKotCzarny: update what?12:37
KotCzarnyon the top right corner you have search form input12:37
KotCzarnywhich is broken (and uses search.php)12:38
KotCzarnyreplace it to use msearch then?12:38
chem|stthis would force people to use google12:38
KotCzarnynono12:38
KotCzarnyif msearch works, then replace top right search to use msearch12:39
chem|stKotCzarny: msearch is google12:39
KotCzarnywhat i meant originally is that topright search box with orange 'go' button is broken12:40
chem|stin what way broken, the returns are odd sometimes but in general it works12:40
KotCzarnytry searching for usb12:40
KotCzarny:)12:40
chem|stthat is if you get more than 1k returns12:41
KotCzarnyfix the error msg then?12:41
chem|stit should actually stopp at 500 but for some reason does not12:41
KotCzarnyright now it is completely misleading12:41
KotCzarny    Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.12:41
KotCzarnysearching for 'usb fix' also failed12:42
chem|stI know but I cannot change a reply that is actually ok just because a bug in vB does that12:42
KotCzarnyand if you require 4 chars or more, maybe add such information too?12:42
chem|stI tried to fix it on several occasions... sometimes I then get a reply working again and after a while it stopps working, so it has to do with the cache12:43
chem|stor call it index12:43
chem|streindexing is 72h downtime of the forum12:43
KotCzarnymy suggestion is to add information on the search.php results page that would explain that searching requires 4chars or more and that it can fail when too many results are returned12:44
chem|stor well, better said to be 7 days reindexing with no forum downtime, that is what it took a couple of years ago12:44
KotCzarnydo it semi-annually then with sticky warning ?12:46
chem|stI can revert the search function to keywords instead of fulltext12:46
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chem|stmight work better in terms of you get returns but less in terms of quality12:47
KotCzarnymaybe make it use keywords when fulltext fails?12:47
bencohwaitamin ... search fails when there are too many results?12:48
KotCzarny:>12:49
Michael_a380I don't understand much of this, but how about a 'permenant / static messege' about the search limitations & possible 'search errors' ?12:49
KotCzarnyalso on 3 letter words12:49
chem|stKotCzarny: the minimum search text is set to 3... something is wrong with that indexer12:50
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chem|st" MySQL Fulltext has its own minimum word length as well that must be changed at the server level." I might have found the issue12:52
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chem|stsetting it to 4 still does not tell that "usb" is too short12:55
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chem|stMySQL fulltext min word length is defaulting to 413:05
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bencohhuhu13:07
bencohwell ... :)13:07
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sicelo-stuck14:42
sicelo-sorry about that one14:43
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NeKithow different Fremantle UI inside Scratchbox target is compared to real device?15:38
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Vajbis it possible to lock n900 volume keys while screen is locked?17:31
DocScrutinizer05err yes?17:36
DocScrutinizer05at least supposed to, though I#m not all that sure this actually _works_: etc/mce/mce.ini http://paste.opensuse.org/2754146117:39
DocScrutinizer05given that vol+/- are actually mapped to F7/9 or somesuch, this is exactly the dial tu tweak for locking volume keys17:40
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ^^^ doesn't work. Is this a mce regression in CSSU?17:43
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: how would I even check which version of mce I'm running?17:43
Vajbit is set to 1 already, hmm17:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, here too17:44
DocScrutinizer05what system you're running?17:44
Vajbcssu-testing17:45
Vajband volume keys r working while screen is locked17:45
Vajband that is kinda inconvenient if phone is in my pocket and starts to adjust volume to max...17:45
DocScrutinizer05same here17:46
Vajbso no cookie yet. I'll have to contiue work, but i'll read backlog if u come up with something17:46
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ls -l /sbin/mce; md5sum /sbin/mce17:46
DocScrutinizer05-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 81160 2015-04-05 16:56 /sbin/mce17:47
DocScrutinizer051edd10407336c736c0466bbcfe2084c9  /sbin/mce17:47
DocScrutinizer05I got a /home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives/mce_1.8.126+0m5_armel.deb with -rwxr-xr-x root/root     80760 2010-07-29 14:30 ./sbin/mce17:52
DocScrutinizer05~pkg17:52
infobotmethinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/17:52
DocScrutinizer05~pkgs17:52
infobot#maemo pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/17:52
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Tmaemo11 >>mce  * FOSS release  * Fixes for upstream kernel<<17:54
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: wasn't it you who made FOSS mce? please check etc/mce/mce.ini http://paste.opensuse.org/27541461  vs http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/mce/1.8.118+0m5/  -- REGRESSION?17:56
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/2809974917:58
DocScrutinizer05Vajb: would you like to install http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/mce/1.8.118+0m5/ ? might help17:59
DocScrutinizer05oops sorry, nevermind18:00
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/mce/1.8.126+0m5/18:00
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/977815618:02
DocScrutinizer05Vajb: ^^^18:02
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sicelo-nnot to belittle your problem Vajb ... my volume buttons need 'intention' to press, and they aren't so soft to press too ... can't imagine what would activate them in pocket18:14
sicelo-that 'thing' sounds likely to even activate power button and turn off/on the device18:18
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what is the regression?18:19
DocScrutinizer51nope, I just installed mce*126 and  it nuked community-PR but didn't fix vol kets18:19
freemangordonyes, this change (enable vol keys even when device is locked) was introduced in pr1.2 iirc18:20
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: vol keysl not locked18:20
freemangordonyes, this is intentional18:20
DocScrutinizer51FFS rhere's a config option for that18:20
freemangordonand?18:21
DocScrutinizer51it doesn't do a thing18:21
freemangordondoes it do a thing on pr1.2 mce?18:21
DocScrutinizer51no18:21
DocScrutinizer51see aboce18:21
freemangordonso? what is regressed?18:21
DocScrutinizer51above18:22
freemangordonyep, saw it18:22
DocScrutinizer51none obviously, see above18:22
DocScrutinizer51the regreesion is with pr12 mce18:22
DocScrutinizer51which fucked up18:23
freemangordonah, you mean that because they ignore the settings file, there is a bug? sounds same18:23
freemangordon*sane18:23
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: does cssu mce segfaults as well?18:25
DocScrutinizer51yep18:25
freemangordonbut, there is another mce instance running, right?18:25
DocScrutinizer51yes18:25
DocScrutinizer51see pastebin18:25
freemangordonthe one with the segfault?18:26
DocScrutinizer51it has version and segf18:26
freemangordonhmm. DocScrutinizer05please open an issue on github18:27
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freemangordonwtf?18:29
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/community-ssu/mce/issues18:30
KotCzarnyno issue, perfect package18:34
KotCzarny:)18:34
DocScrutinizer51k, laqyer. roaming18:34
freemangordonKotCzarny: the wtf ^^^ was because issues were not enabled for this package :D18:34
DocScrutinizer51kater18:34
KotCzarny;)18:34
freemangordonok18:34
DocScrutinizer51dang18:35
freemangordonlater18:35
KotCzarnyno issues, no problem ;)18:35
freemangordon:)18:35
freemangordonyep18:35
DocScrutinizer51Ill check if 126 also segfs18:36
DocScrutinizer51yep, all the  same18:37
DocScrutinizer51afk18:38
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Vajbhmm so no need to install anything new since it wont change a thing?18:39
VajbDocScrutinizer05: i already have newer mce18:40
Vajbmce: Installed: 1.8.127.3+0m518:41
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Vajbsicelo-: isn't powerkey locked when device is?18:47
bencohhuh?18:47
bencohno it isn't :)18:47
Vajboh dang18:48
KotCzarnyhum, it isnt?18:48
KotCzarnyi've thought all keys are locked (- powerkey)18:48
bencohfunny how I almost forgot about the lock switch18:48
bencohI just never use it18:48
bencoh(at all)18:48
Vajbi hope it wont turn my device of then..18:48
sicelo-yes it's not :-)18:49
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DocScrutinizer05FYI: http://paste.opensuse.org/365771418:55
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DocScrutinizer05Vajb: I thought DOWNgrading from 127 to 126 would solve the problem, but the regression sneaked in somewhere around 11519:00
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: like I almost never use power button19:01
DocScrutinizer05except for checking time of day19:01
bencohsame :)19:02
bencohwell, or power device off with systemui menu19:02
bencohI use a wayv gesture to lock phone19:03
DocScrutinizer05oh!19:06
DocScrutinizer05now that's geeky :-)19:06
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bencoh:>19:08
DocScrutinizer05given the extremel<y pathetic accelerometer integration, isn't it power greedy to poll the accel to detect gestures like that?19:08
bencohtouchscreen gestures19:08
DocScrutinizer05oh19:08
bencohI patched wayv a bit to adapt it to maemo/n900, and configured it to only capture mouse in a 1px (or 2px)-large area on the side of the screen19:09
DocScrutinizer05for accel, Nokia failed epically to invent a decent API19:09
bencohmeaning that all my wayv gestures start from the side of the screen19:10
bencohbut it can continue from there all screen over19:10
bencohso I have a few of them to switch to desktop, task launcher, app launcher, or lock device19:11
DocScrutinizer05((accel)) the chip's filter and trigger settings are HARDCODED into driver, go figure!19:11
DocScrutinizer05and if that wasn't already bad enough, they even used pretty bad and silly settings19:12
bencohfilter and trigger ... is it supposed to be done in hw by the chip itself?19:12
DocScrutinizer05yes19:12
bencohI know some TI chips have support for tiny firmwares19:12
bencohoh, nice then19:12
bencohand you can configure it to detect free fall, or "tap"/double-tap19:13
DocScrutinizer05you can set a min and max threshold on 2 of the 3 axes. and you can apply a highpass filter to only fast enough movement from any position into any other position would trigger an IRQ.19:14
DocScrutinizer05Nokia set a "DC" threshold on just one axis iirc19:14
DocScrutinizer05it was just as much as they needed to detect "screen down"19:15
DocScrutinizer05pathetic19:15
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DocScrutinizer05what's worse: this is in kernel driver, and API is fubar so there's not even a possible way to fix this in userland19:17
DocScrutinizer05just like they fucked up LED pattern engine LS5523, they don't use all the memory this chip offers, and they don't expose the var registers (or any other registers on that topic)19:18
DocScrutinizer05at least that API isn't *totally* fubar, it could get augmented and fixed19:19
bencohwell, overengineering it would have been easy as well, so ...19:29
bencohcan't blame them19:29
VajbKotCzarny: how is that imgur coming together?19:31
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KotCzarnyvajb: i was preparing opensource oscp release, will try looking into imgur plugin tomorrow19:39
bencohoh, really? :)19:41
bencohnice19:41
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Vajbcool :p19:56
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NeKithow much the system inside SDK is different from real device?22:59
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DocScrutinizer05it lacks quite some sensors, obviously23:20
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DocScrutinizer05and iirc it runs x86 instead arm23:20
DocScrutinizer05also no phone and prolly no audio either23:21
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