IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-01-03

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infoboti guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or, or
infobotit has been said that emmc is is or see ~emmc203:19
infobothmm... emmc2 is, or, or see emmc303:31
infobotfrom memory, emmc3 is
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DocScrutinizer05buZz: psssst! see ~lazyflashing04:02
infobotwell, mirror is  or - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new04:03
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing04:04
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues muarf04:04
infobotFactoid search of 'muarf' by value (2): #maemo repos ;; tabletsdev.04:04
infobotfrom memory, repos is "deb ./ ;; deb ./", or see, or see ~jrrepos04:04
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infobotrumour has it, tabletsdev is , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or, or
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KotCzarnyrandom rant: ca-certificates package is incompatible with 'find' 4.1, installing findutils-gnu and making it default made it install14:29
OksanaaRandom find: if Telepathy doesn't wish to load backlog from el-v1.db in ~/.rtcom-eventlogger directory, it may help to .dump the sqlite3 database into an sql file, and then -init from the sql file into new database file.14:31
bencohhm, interesting14:32
OksanaaIn my case, the problem was because of a block of several hundreds of NULL everything events. Vacuum; said that constraint failed, so instead of vacuuming, did sqlite3 el-v1.db and .output db.sql .dump .exit and sqlite3 -init db.sql el-v1.db . Of course, anything and everything capable of editing el-v1.db has to be taken down while tampering. And always make backups!14:36
OksanaaLike a line goes VALUES( NULL, NULL, NULL, ... NULL, NULL ) and so on; 88 identical useless lines.14:37
OksanaaWhen I was init-ing from db.sql, got SQL error near line 83046-83134: Events.service_id may not be NULL14:39
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DocScrutinizer05ls -l14:56
DocScrutinizer05du -sh ~/.rtcom-eventlogger   should be < 1MB14:56
DocScrutinizer05mine already is 1.6MB again :-/14:57
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Oksanaa14.5MB lol15:01
OksanaaAnd yes, it works, but backscrolls can be trouble15:01
OksanaaAs in, too much to scroll through15:02
DocScrutinizer05the problem is those 14MB can give the device swap hell for (my guess) up to 20s on every event15:05
DocScrutinizer05it needs to swap out 14MB of other stuff and read in 14MB of sql db15:06
DocScrutinizer05so odds are your call has finished when you get along to answer it15:06
DocScrutinizer05tbh I'm surprised you still consider the device operable15:07
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DocScrutinizer05make a printout or whatever of your precious historical SMS etc, then simply delete the complete content of ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger -- it will be a shock how different the device suddenly feels15:16
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to re-install the call duration SQL functions!15:17
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is
DocScrutinizer05>># execute or source this to fix the missing end-times in eventslogger db<<15:18
DocScrutinizer05## find original at
DocScrutinizer05hint: I copied that shellscropt to my /usr/local/bin15:20
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if this shouldn't go into CSSU, with an init script to execute it during each boot15:22
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# time /usr/local/bin/eventsdb_calllog_triggers.sh15:25
DocScrutinizer05real    0m0.827s15:25
DocScrutinizer05user    0m0.031s15:25
DocScrutinizer05sys     0m0.023s15:25
DocScrutinizer05after all it's a glaring bug in ... whatever Nokia core function, maybe caller-ui, maybe telepathy-foo, maybe csd or whatever15:32
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sicelo-DocScrutinizer05: after running that, it is needed to reboot the device? or there can be other way?15:56
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KotCzarnydo lsof to see if anything is using that file, then kill those apps, otherwise no need, i guess15:59
DocScrutinizer05sicelo-: what? the sql script? it 'just works'16:01
DocScrutinizer05I'm not 100% sure the triggers will be live for all apps using the db16:02
DocScrutinizer05but they will not cause any trouble and after next boot for sure everything 100% OK16:03
sicelo-what is the purpose of the script exactly? :)  .. i remember reading about it years ago, but at the time i didn't feel like using it16:03
sicelo-iow, what's the bug we're working around?16:04
KotCzarnymem hog on every call history open?16:04
KotCzarnyassuming that db has grown too much16:05
sicelo-i don't ever remember having that .. just checked now my db is 2MB+16:05
sicelo-i'll use it and see if it improves anything16:06
sicelo-my N900 seems to have problem with 3G/GPRS now .. i can't tell if my providers are using frequency bands N900 does not support, or what. The problem is only with Internet use, not calls, so I don't think i have the dreaded SIM issue yet16:08
bencohdata doesn't work with either of them?16:17
sicelo-yes, now i've just done a test, and i'm absolutely sure that the SIM is fine on SGS4. N900 activates the connection just fine, but no data flows :-/16:22
KotCzarnybut you get ip or not even that?16:23
bencohmtr, proxy stuff ?16:23
bencoh(I mean, did you try mtr some destination ? did you check proxy config on the samsung?)16:24
sicelo-no. the SIM has always worked before. and yes, i get IP16:24
KotCzarnythey try tcpdump and pinging for example (google's ns)16:25
sicelo-no dice :)16:25
KotCzarnypastebin your ifconfig/route16:25
sicelo-works on 2G, but not 3G16:25
bencohfun ... first time I tried using data on my n900 / provider, 2G didn't work16:26
bencohI had to switch to 3g and open a data connect, then switch back to 2g16:27
sicelo-problem is that no providers here tell you what frequencies they use .. need voodoo to know16:27
sicelo-is there a way to find this on N900? although i doubt ..16:27
sicelo-but, if it was frequencies, then i don't understand why they connection gets established and then no data :-/16:28
sicelo-2G only seems fine, but not so nice16:29
KotCzarnysee connectivity in the table on the right16:29
bencohsicelo-: I mainly use 2G here16:29
sicelo-yes KotCzarny ... i meant - can i see what frequency i'm connecting with?16:29
bencohbut still :)16:29
KotCzarnyit should be automatic16:29
KotCzarnybut they might do as you suspect16:29
KotCzarnyfor example 2100 for umts16:29
KotCzarnyoh, its supported16:30
sicelo-yes, i think one of them uses 850 UMTS .. which we definitely don't support on N90016:30
KotCzarnybut there is plenty of them16:30
KotCzarnybut that table lists only 2100 and 900 for africa16:31
sicelo-i don't think all of them are accurate in that table16:31
KotCzarnyanother nice table16:32
KotCzarnythey might've moved to lte too, thought its unlikely16:33
KotCzarnyThe Cell C network operates on three key bands 900 MHz, 1800 MHz and 2100 MHz.16:34
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sicelo-i don't use that .. i've been using Telkom, and VodaCom, plus FNB (which is an MNVO) .. i wanted to port the FNB number to Telkom as well (telkom has the best prepaid deals for data) .. but it is telkom that has 850MHz for UMTS .. talk about perfect conditions16:36
Vajbhmm 6.3mb file, maybe i'll try the medicine doc suggested16:38
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sicelo-KotCzarny:  ... the other guy thinks Telkom uses same bands as everyone else ... looks like he's just guessing though, as N900 definitely does not even attempt a UMTS connection on that network16:41
KotCzarnyaccording to that they should have umts on 210016:41
sicelo-yes VodaCom is the best network here :) most expensive too16:42
sicelo-anyway, i think i'll have to get a good battery on the SGS4 or power bank .. put the Telkom in it, and use WiFi hotspot16:43
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bencohsicelo-: does it even open the umts data session?16:47
sicelo-on the telkom, no. on the fnb it does, but for a weird reason no data flows16:47
KotCzarnysicelo: what ip do you have?16:47
KotCzarnyon n900?16:47
sicelo-the telkom causes N900 to prompt for roaming if you insist on 3G ... telkom has roaming agreement with MTN .. so you can have 3G when it connects to that .. but the switchover has not been stable lately (prompting me to even check this)16:49
sicelo-KotCzarny: regular NATted IP, currently16:49
bencohsicelo-: data is shown as roaming here as well16:50
KotCzarnytry pinging the gateway?16:50
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sicelo-bencoh: but on the FNB, no need to roam for 3G (except no data flows, haha)16:50
bencohsicelo-: misconfig on their side maybe?16:51
sicelo-possible... no idea. the SGS4 has no problem with that SIM however16:51
KotCzarnymaybe they've changed apn settings, compare with sgs4?16:51
sicelo-APN is correct .. they autosend you each time you swap SIM16:52
bencohor unsupported carrier frequency for their home network as you suggested16:52
sicelo-that's what it really looks like to me16:53
sicelo-nice one .. brings me back to  .. i wonder if we can figure that out on N90016:55
bencohI think we can16:55
bencohdid you try cellnet-info?16:56
sicelo-at least i have a Plan B16:56
sicelo-yes, i have it16:56
sicelo-doesn't show frequencies however16:56
sicelo-maybe i should look for other similar applications16:56
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DocScrutinizer05sicelo-: ((what is the purpose of the script exactly?)) the involved processes fail to fill in the "end of call" timestamp to the database. The script adds a few stored procedures (a SQL thing) that fix this17:27
DocScrutinizer05it's not related to size of database at all17:28
DocScrutinizer05sicelo-: (data) check your APN settings17:29
DocScrutinizer05ooh you had that already17:31
DocScrutinizer05sicelo-: please consider to doublecheck APN against a working phone, it's possible N900 doesn't correctly use the >>autosend you each time you swap SIM<< data17:33
DocScrutinizer05for checking frequency band please install and start netmon app17:34
DocScrutinizer05no idea about sgs4 and similar apps there17:35
DocScrutinizer05sicelo-: braindead providers may opt out of UMTS completely, to re-use same band for LTE17:37
sicelo-KotCzarny: that last link is helpful, and unearthing interesting information.17:38
DocScrutinizer05the SGS4 is LTE17:38
sicelo-at least not mine, i950017:39
sicelo-i'm instaling netmon on N90017:39
KotCzarnyi9505 != i950017:40
DocScrutinizer05oh wait, 950517:40
DocScrutinizer05 yeah no LTE17:41
sicelo-netmon gives same info as cellnet-info (a bit less actually)17:42
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sicelo-funny enough, looks like most of the providers here support CSD according to N900 ... i wonder if they would give me settings for that (not that N900 supports it though .. i think symbian 9500 supported it)17:44
KotCzarnycsd is net over gsm, are you really sure you want it?17:45
sicelo-no. just interesting that it is still enabled/available17:45
sicelo-i doubt anyone at the telco would even know the settings :p17:46
sicelo-DocScrutinizer05: maybe pnatd could reveal freq. band?17:47
DocScrutinizer05I think pnatd is *very* limited/crippled subset of even the minimal mandatory commandset according to 3GPP. So no17:49
DocScrutinizer05but netmon shows the band, you just need to look up the channel number17:49
DocScrutinizer05channel numbers are unique17:49
* sicelo- looks again17:50
DocScrutinizer05ugh, I dreamt that up17:51
DocScrutinizer05TNC ID is freq encoded iirc, but RNC is only defined for 3G17:52
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: RNC ID is freq encoded iirc, but RNC is only defined for 3G17:52
DocScrutinizer05nope, neither17:55
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure pnatd doesn't know either of those18:06
DocScrutinizer05prolly ^SCFG isn't even 3GPP18:06
DocScrutinizer05but ptoprietary18:06
DocScrutinizer05anyway FWIW
DocScrutinizer05sicelo-: maybe from cellid you can conclude band via
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VajbDocScrutinizer05: should ur call log script provide some output or not?18:44
KotCzarnyvajb: in sql no output is usually good sign18:44
Vajbwell for me it gives output18:44
VajbIncomplete SQL: ETX18:45
KotCzarnybad paste?18:45
Vajbhmm lemme check how it looks in my file18:46
Vajbseems complete to me18:47
Vajband as i copy pasted it, it is kinda impossible for something to be missed inbetween.18:47
KotCzarnywell, web browser suck sometimes18:48
KotCzarnytry wget then diff both files18:48
KotCzarnythat etx is part of the bash and should go into sql , so you definitely pasted wrong18:49
KotCzarnyyup, just tried, no output18:50
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Vajbwell i'll be darned if i know what i missed, but with wget'ed file no output18:51
KotCzarnyjust hope you didnt f*cked something :>18:51
KotCzarnybut script should work around that with dropping funcs first18:52
KotCzarnyvajb: do diff command on both files18:52
KotCzarnyie. diff -u file1 file218:52
KotCzarnyyou will see the difference18:52
Vajbhmm need to install diff first it seems18:53
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Vajbhmm now im missing something18:56
Vajbit says that diff is included in bash3 but when i try to run it in bash it says it is not found18:57
Vajbi'll look by eye18:57
KotCzarnytry gdiff18:57
KotCzarnyif you installed diffutils-gnu or something18:57
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Vajbi think only difference is that my paste didn't have empty line after last line18:59
KotCzarnyapparently those file endings are importantes ;)19:00
Vajbwellll for me empty line is like empty line :)19:01
Vajbgdiff did the trick \ No newline at end of file19:05
sicelo-you could have used wget on the N900 (that's what i did)19:15
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Vajbsicelo-: well i did at the second run19:36
Vajbwget is something which doesn't just pop in to my mind :)19:37
KotCzarnyits one of those most-required tools for me19:37
KotCzarnyand copy pasting from browser usually breaks things19:38
Vajbi'll try to keep that in mind19:39
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sicelo-i think this is not optified - .. any way to be absolutely sure without installing?21:25
KotCzarnyrun mc then just enter the archive21:25
KotCzarnyand check what is in contents21:26
sicelo-no mc here :)21:27
sicelo-but i'm looking for /opt directories inside?21:27
KotCzarnyit's another one-of-those-essential-tools of mine21:27
KotCzarnyyou are looking what goes NOT in /opt21:28
KotCzarnyif its <200kB then its fine21:28
KotCzarnyyou can unpack debs by ar x some.deb21:28
KotCzarnythen unpacking tar.gz inside21:28
KotCzarnydo it in subdir for cleanliness21:28
sicelo-no /opt directories in that :(21:29
KotCzarnyyou can also check scripts in debian subdir21:29
KotCzarnymaybe they move data around21:29
KotCzarnyor make symlinks21:29
sicelo-no dice .. this sucks .. apt calculates that installing it will use 40.1MB21:32
KotCzarnydefinitely a bug then21:32
KotCzarnyif you have 40MB spare on rootfs you can check by installing anyway21:32
sicelo-last check i had only 19MB :p21:33
KotCzarnyrootfs                  233344    172668     56396  75% /21:33
KotCzarnyhah :P21:33
KotCzarnyand i even have gcc on device21:34
sicelo-actually shows 17.2MB at this moment21:35
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sicelo-lots of cruft i have collected over the years21:35
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KotCzarnyyou can check my slimming recipe
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sicelo-~seen lardman21:36
infobotlardman <~Simon@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 516d 20h 55m 23s ago, saying: 'night all'.21:36
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sicelo-i believe i've done most of that21:37
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KotCzarnyi have 1906 packages installed21:39
sicelo-2239 for me21:40
KotCzarnyyou might consider uninstalling some21:40
KotCzarnyand dont forget to purge while uninstalling21:40
KotCzarnyalso check dpkg -l|grep ^rc21:40
KotCzarnythat cruft can sometimes stay behind21:41
sicelo-i think i use most of them ;)21:42
sicelo-will check again21:42
sicelo-there were some python scripts on tmo to audit roofs usage .. will rerun that too21:44
sicelo-but i've generally had no issue with the amount of space on my rootfs21:45
sicelo-i also have syslog, but i have a daily job (runs at midnight) that rotates the logs and deletes old ones21:47
KotCzarnyum, logs?21:47
KotCzarnyif you want logs symlink /var/log onto /opt or somewhere in mydocs21:48
sicelo-yes .. they can get large sometimes21:48
sicelo-my 2nd N900 has 74MB free, 67% use21:55
enychrrm, Is there any cure//workaround for n900-maemo taking ages to get to the point of mounting /media/mmc1 and /home/user/MyDocs ?  -- could be fixing symtomn rather than cause etc...??22:08
KotCzarnywhat filesystems?22:08
enycext4 and vfat22:08
KotCzarnyif you converted them to ext2 it could be fsck22:08
KotCzarnyvfat should mount quick22:09
enycIt consistently takes ages...22:09
KotCzarnypastebin output of mount and dmesg -s 99999922:09
enycext4 fsck isn't slow and journal recovery normaly makes unnecessary...22:09
sicelo-what are your reasons for rebooting by the way?22:09
enycsicelo-: changing batteries?   not been on for ages and turning on...?   I'm not a person for constantly having phone-type-things......22:11
sicelo-you might actually find that you remove the battery before N900 is really off .. therefore as KotCzarny, your fs is considered dirty and a fsck ensues22:12
KotCzarnycssu feature request: make led code for 'shutting down'22:13
KotCzarnymaybe steady pink?22:14
sicelo-there is led for that, but it doesn't last long enough  ..22:15
KotCzarnywonder what turns it off22:15
enycsicelo-: i can doublecheck but this seems ffairly consistent reg,ardless22:15
sicelo-it's how the pattern is defined .. you can extend the time in LED Patterns22:16
sicelo-enyc: i once had that situation actually .. what was happening was - n900 fsck could not repair my system, so each time i had an fsck on reboot22:16
sicelo-check in (h)top and see if that's not your problem22:17
KotCzarnyenyc: mount and dmesg after reboot22:17
OksanaaAbout fsck : auto-done fsck seems to miss one of flags, and hence redo " let's repair MyDocs " on each startup, till user does fsck manually ( and then fs will be right as rain, and need not an fsck on startup ). At least, that's my impression.22:24
OksanaaDoes app manager purge packages when uninstalling them?22:25
KotCzarnyim only using app manager to install root and ssh22:25
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sicelo-which one is better/recommended - rootsh or sudo?23:07
sicelo-or both23:07
KotCzarnyi prefer rootsh23:08
KotCzarnybut that's personal, if you tend to do stupid mistakes, go for sudo23:08
sicelo-i've now freed almost 10MB rootfs23:09
DocScrutinizer05huh?? shutdown LED?23:09
OksanaaShutdown LED pattern is important, yes.23:11
DocScrutinizer05Python-Matplotlib 1.0.0-1 os _not_ optified23:15
DocScrutinizer05((sicelo-> it's how the pattern is defined .. you can extend the time in LED Patterns)) yes exactly. As straight forward and simple as it possibly gets23:16
DocScrutinizer05I changed the pattern (with LED pattern editor) to simply not fade all the way down to off23:16
DocScrutinizer05*very* handy23:17
KotCzarnyit might be last command that switches led color from red to greenish after all fs' are umounted/ro23:17
KotCzarnywhy is this not in cssu?23:17
DocScrutinizer05grep PatternPowerOff /etc/mce/mce.ini23:18
KotCzarnythere are multiple sections with that string23:20
KotCzarnyits lystirx51 ?23:21
DocScrutinizer05sorry I forgot I cleaned my mce.ini from that legacy cruft23:21
DocScrutinizer05wtf is PatternInhibit23:24
DocScrutinizer05# Added on 2011-02-15T18:03:44.231080Z by mceledpattern23:24
DocScrutinizer05for rootsh (and sudo) see ~jrtools to sanitize the password config23:34
DocScrutinizer05or, if you wanna go leete hax0r, use ssh root@localhist23:35
DocScrutinizer05*host even23:35
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DocScrutinizer05Oksanaa: HAM doesn't purge23:36
DocScrutinizer05at least afaik, in default settings23:37
DocScrutinizer05enyc, check fs with fsck23:40
DocScrutinizer05see what's the initial state and what's the result23:40
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DocScrutinizer05enyc: often it's smarter (and waaaaaaaaay faster) to reflash emmc than to try and fix a corrupted fs via fschk23:49
DocScrutinizer05I heard of instances where fsck literally took several days23:49
DocScrutinizer05and even more often it never manages to fix a corruption23:50
DocScrutinizer05still a rarge occurance compared to the usually flawless fixing of an unclean umount, but... when it happens to you, you're prolly better off just backup your data and reflash (or mkfs.vfat)23:51
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DocScrutinizer05Oksanaa: ((auto-done fsck seems to miss one of flags)) wouldn't feel too surprised to learn that's true23:53
DocScrutinizer05Nokia and CSSU messed a lot with fsck23:53
DocScrutinizer05and for very sound reasons, no thorough check ever been done as to how effective the fsck implementation actually is for fixing a corrupted fs23:54
DocScrutinizer05just nobody really wants to deliberately fuckup their fs just to test if fsck can fix it ;-)23:55
DocScrutinizer05ask Pali, iirc he was last one to touch that stuff, in CSSU23:56

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