IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2016-11-17

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gryhi rapha :)00:02
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DocScrutinizer05Sigyn: thanks a lot! :-)00:32
OksanaHuh, these  C&D troll lawyers haven't invested into Optical Character Recognition yet?00:41
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raphaInteresting topics in here ... God, the Universe and Everything :)01:51
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DocScrutinizer05Oksana: I hope they didn't :-)02:22
DocScrutinizer05also it won't help unless they also develop highly sophisticated AI02:22
DocScrutinizer05 alone doesn't help a lot yet02:23
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DocScrutinizer05rapha: btw you can get help with bootloop and other N900 stuff here as well04:39
DocScrutinizer05interesting finding that a wrong BSI can result in bootloop :-)04:41
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raphaDocScrutinizer05: thank you!05:01
raphawell, without Joerg's help i would have never even been able to guess at something like that05:02
infoboti heard joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org05:02
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo bootloop05:03
infobotthere's no such factoid as bootloop, DocScrutinizer0505:03
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo #maemo bootloop05:03
infobot#maemo bootloop -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Oct  3 14:52:17 2013 (1140 days); last modified at Sat Dec  7 00:45:24 2013 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 31 times, last by Joerg-Neo900, 27m 24s ago.05:03
DocScrutinizer05first thing you'll need:05:04
infobotfrom memory, repos is "deb ./ ;; deb ./", or see, or see ~jrrepos05:04
infobotwell, jrrepos is
infobotrumour has it, cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)05:06
DocScrutinizer05then you're already good05:06
DocScrutinizer05then fun starts05:06
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KotCzarnygry: did you manage to unpack it finally? :>07:59
L29Ahchatter: proof?07:59
KotCzarnyL29Ah: 1/ its a spam bot, 2/ it was killed already08:00
L29Ahwhat'd be a point for such a bot on freenode anyway? :D08:01
KotCzarnypeople are stupid, what can i say08:01
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gryKotCzarny, just got home and started eyeballing 'ncdu' output for /09:53
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brolin_empeyKotCzarny: (PCI card with controller for IBM PC-style 5.25-inch flexible disc drive for use in post-Core 2-era desktop motherboard that no longer has a header to connect a flexible disc drive) Catweasel (sp?) may be an option if it is still available.  It supports non-IBM-PC flexible disc formats but I do not remember if it supports IBM-PC-style flexible disc formats too.10:14
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gryKotCzarny, all extracted now. Is the VirtualBox hard drive space in addition to the extracted file, or it lives "inside" of it? Need to know as I don't want to run out of space again, if it needs extra. :)12:33
KotCzarnyi havent tried, so dont really know, i prefer just my tiny chroots on arm7 hosts12:34
gryL29Ah, (you can get Sigyn kicked from here if you fancy talking with that person. But that would likely be a waste of effort.)12:35
gryKotCzarny, ok. :) Will try it out and face the impact.12:35
KotCzarnyat least vm 'hard driver' are easy to add12:35
KotCzarny(you can even just have /home on usb stick or nfs ;)12:36
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zGrrmoin ;)13:08
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DocScrutinizer05we won't kick sigyn14:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm happy she's around14:08
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gryDocScrutinizer05, that was an IF, not a request :) also good morning14:50
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I prolly failed to parse that then. Please note I got an /ignore list in effect too14:51
DocScrutinizer05so context sometimes missing14:51
DocScrutinizer05but I see L29Ah14:51
DocScrutinizer05and morning to you as well14:52
grythanks :)14:52
DocScrutinizer05also I doubt sigyn would kick gerself when somebody talks fabcy to her ;-D14:53
DocScrutinizer05ohmy my typing sucks14:53
DocScrutinizer05anyway when anybody actually wants to try talk to 'chatter' (or whatever nick that moron spammer picks next), I suggest just lingering in sifficient channels with >100 users and preferrably no sigyn in channel, and you will meet them sooner or later14:56
DocScrutinizer05good luck with that! ;-D14:56
DocScrutinizer05you know, >>not you're talking, A@@ah is talking<<14:57
DocScrutinizer05and it's pretty hard to argue with scripts14:58
DocScrutinizer05to prepare for such endeavor:
buZzis 'gerself' one of those new genderneutral things?15:09
DocScrutinizer05hehe, yeah, that's why I used it err didn't fix the typo15:16
DocScrutinizer05ger : possesive pronoun [m/f, trans-g]15:18
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parazydany yappari users?16:19
parazyddoes it work as intended?16:19
bencohyappari does not work, as intended16:22
Wizzupnot anymore16:23
bencohit stopped working half a year ago because whatsapp required to use their new (secured) protocol, and they started banning 3rd-party apps so main developer eventually gave up16:24
bencohiirc he pushed a voluntarily non-working version so that people wouldn't get banned trying16:24
bencohI mean, a version that won't even try to connect16:24
buZzbest whatsapp client is just spitting in the faces of ppl asking to add you on whatsapp ;)16:26
buZzimho ^_^16:26
buZzor laughing insanely loud while walking away16:27
DocScrutinizer05yeah, 2 billion farcebrick users can't be wrong, get on whatsap too and share your data with Suckerberg and the NSA16:29
DocScrutinizer05FB is waaay worse than google meanwhile16:30
bencohdunno who16:30
bencohwhich* is worse, but ...16:30
DocScrutinizer05when whatsap got bought out by FB, they *romised* to never transfer or use the WA data in FB. That was like 6 months ago, now the German office for privacy in IT sues FB for doing exactly that16:32
DocScrutinizer05*promised* even16:32
buZzthey promised to never do it, and then took them 2-3 months before they actually -did- do it, while denying doing it16:34
bencohs/6 months/2 years/ ?16:34
DocScrutinizer05my ass what whatsap had as their core policies when they started. Like "we respect your privacy" and whatnot else bullshit, it almost sounded honest16:34
buZzpopo respects you aswell when they arrest, fine and beat you up16:35
DocScrutinizer05Suckerberg, no typo in that16:37
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be fair, the actual data is very secure16:48
keriocuz they got moxie to handle that16:48
kerioand i trust facebook to protect my data much more than my government16:49
keriobecause they make money off of it16:50
Wizzupthey make money selling your data16:50
Wizzuphow is that protecting your data16:50
kerioWizzup: a friend of mine works in an ad company, he says that working with facebook is a pain16:50
keriono no16:50
keriothey keep your data incredibly tight16:50
keriothey sell aggregates, they sell even targeted ad space16:50
keriobut they don't give it out16:50
keriothey want to keep it16:50
kerioas much as possible16:50
KotCzarnyand people buying it16:51
kerioit's a subtle difference16:51
KotCzarnyand the cycle startes16:51
KotCzarnybecause other start to do the same16:51
KotCzarnythen we have whole new economy classes in school16:51
KotCzarny(sponsored by .. etc)16:52
DocScrutinizer05yeah they keep it since it's 'theirs' - until the balck man of NSA drops by and leaves a letter they are not allowed to even mention they got one16:52
kerioi wonder if this would backfeed power in a way that the n900 would appreciate16:52
keriothere's a switch for "charge/otg"16:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: doesn't facebook have a warrant canary?16:53
KotCzarnyomg, thats the half price of the n900!16:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: idk man, i reckon that if your threat model includes the NSA you already fucking lost16:54
DocScrutinizer05I heard some companies who had did put it down, and they didn't want to talk about the reasons much16:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yes, that's what a warrant canary does16:54
DocScrutinizer05they promised however that it was for mere business reasons16:54
keriorip canary :(16:55
DocScrutinizer05so either they put it down and are not allowed to talk about it, or the *keep it* and are not allowed to talk about why they feel this would be the wiser decision16:55
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the very fact that they put it down means what you think it means16:56
DocScrutinizer05aiui the idea is flawed16:57
DocScrutinizer05the whole canary is at best annoying16:57
DocScrutinizer05you can't tell anything from it either way16:58
keriodo i trust this 6€ microusb "magsafe" adapter16:58
DocScrutinizer05I don't even understand what that adapter does16:59
kerioit's the only one with an adapter instead of a cable16:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: no the one i linked is just a usb hub16:59
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it looked like16:59
kerio3 usb A ports, one microusb B plug and one microusb B port16:59
keriowith a "power" symbol on the port16:59
kerioand it's got a tiny switch between "power" and "otg"17:00
kerioso i wonder if it would allow power backfeed on the n900 in boost mode17:00
DocScrutinizer05unless they do a D+/- short too17:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: that's even if there's backfeed protection in data mode17:01
DocScrutinizer05or wait. maybe "power" only means powered hub17:01
keriono wait it says "charge"/"otg"17:01
keriooh man i wish you knew italian17:02
keriothis product description is hilarious17:02
DocScrutinizer05then it might be a powered hub in OTG mode and feed uplink in charge mode17:02
DocScrutinizer05you'll have to test it to know for sure17:03
DocScrutinizer05and when you're lucky, you could modify it so it exactly meets your requirements17:04
DocScrutinizer05my guess would be: in CHARGE mode the D lines of micro USB receptacle are connected to micro USB uplink plug. In OTH the receptacle powers the hub and the uplink data lines also feed the hub17:06
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: my guess would be: in CHARGE mode the D lines of micro USB receptacle are connected to micro USB uplink plug. In OTG the receptacle powers the hub and the uplink data lines also feed the hub17:07
DocScrutinizer05*maybe* in CHARGE the hub is still powered from the then-connected VBUS and also hooked up to the uplink D-lines17:08
DocScrutinizer05or you can modify it so it's like that17:08
keriothe fact that there's a switch is actually impressive17:08
kerioalthough i guess it's just for data17:09
kerioso you can use the hub on your phone while charging it from a computer17:09
keriooh god can you imagine the mess that will happen when everything is usb c17:09
DocScrutinizer05but _worst_case_ CHARGE just means the hub turns into a charger with 4 outlets17:09
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fishbulbhey is the yappari dude here?18:09
ceenefishbulb: i only have two minutes18:12
fishbulbI've only ever used yappari18:14
ceeneyappari has been dead for months now18:15
fishbulbI don't know how to transfer my number to whatsapp, becuase it asks to take a picture with your mobile device of a QR code18:15
ceenei don't think you have to do that much18:15
ceenejust install whatsapp on an android/iphone18:15
ceeneand let it do its thing18:15
fishbulbI only have a tablet18:15
fishbulbandroid tablet18:15
ceenesame thing18:15
ceeneit'll ask you for your mobile phone number18:15
ceeneyou give it to it18:15
fishbulbnexus, it asks me to take the photo of a qr code18:15
ceenewhat qr code?18:16
fishbulbit shows a qr code18:16
ceenei think you're trying to use web whatsapp?18:16
fishbulband says to take a photo with it using your mobile device, but since yappari was never offficially whatsapp18:16
ceeneyou have to install whatsapp application18:16
ceeneweb whatsapp requires whatsapp application18:16
ceenein any case, that's more probably a question for #android or whatever18:17
ceenegotta go, sorry18:17
fishbulbthis tablet has no sim18:17
fishbulbhow do I get the chats and stuff that were in whatsapp18:17
fishbulband numbers and contacts? are they on my n900 somewhere? this is my only "phone"18:18
fishbulbI mean yappari, how do I get that, or is it on whatsapp servers? I don't really get it18:18
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bencohfishbulb: I think they're synced with whatsapp18:34
fishbulbhow the hell do I get onto whatsapp with a wifi tablet18:37
bencohI'm not sure it's supposed to work18:44
bencohalthough it did work 1.5year ago18:44
bencoh(you had to provide a valid phone number, receive a confirmation text message there, and enter it in whatsapp)18:44
fishbulbdo you mean with a tablet or with yappari?18:47
fishbulbit asks to scan a qr code18:51
fishbulband I can't even open yappari with the n90018:51
bencohforget about yappari.18:53
fishbulbI have18:53
fishbulbbut I can't put my number into whatsapp18:54
fishbulbI have a nexus wifi tablet and no other android devices18:54
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DocScrutinizer05I think it's pretty obvious: insert SIM into an android phone (of a friend) create the barcode, take a photo with tablet, profit19:49
DocScrutinizer05scratch the "profit"19:49
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freemangordonGuys, anybody knows of TZ env var format on maemo that starts with TWO letters and the offset?23:43
freemangordonthere is a static function in libtime called fix_tz() that takes tz in the ^^^ format and converts it to GMT+/-offset format23:44
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ^^^23:45

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