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| Pali | freemangordon: is our thumb toolchain for cssu special? or upstream gcc can be used for producing arm thumb2 binaries correctly? | 17:59 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: nothing special, besides libc version | 19:00 |
| Pali | and libc version is some special? | 19:00 |
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| Pali | or also comes from upstream? | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | Pali: libc is maemo eglibc | 19:00 |
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| Pali | so we take current debian armhf port with thumb2 enabled binaries and it can run on n900 without any problems like hw errata segfaults? | 19:01 |
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| freemangordon | yes | 19:02 |
| Pali | ok, that is great | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | I ran devuan lxde a week or ao ago without any problems | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | build with devuan arm-sdk | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | which I guess uses upstream gcc | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | Pali: by the way, do you have any idea how to test iphbd? | 19:03 |
| Pali | start dsme and use it | 19:04 |
| Pali | dsme is heavy user of iphbd | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | I mean - I have it REed, but what this is supposed to do? | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | I am trying to do that in devuan 64 bit chroot :) | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | lemme see if dsme will start there | 19:05 |
| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89709 | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | Pali: hmm, how to start dsme? | 19:06 |
| Pali | it is started by upstart | 19:07 |
| Pali | try to look at /etc/event.d/dsme | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | yes, but this is chroot, is it safe to install upstart there? and eve installed, who is going to start it? | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | hmm: | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | dpkg: considering removing sysvinit in favour of upstart ... | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | dpkg: yes, will remove sysvinit in favour of upstart | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | dpkg: regarding upstart_0.3.8-68+0cssu9_amd64.deb containing upstart: | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | sysvinit-core conflicts with upstart | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | upstart (version 0.3.8-68+0cssu9) is to be installed. | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | dpkg: error processing archive upstart_0.3.8-68+0cssu9_amd64.deb (--install): | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | conflicting packages - not installing upstart | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | Errors were encountered while processing: | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | upstart_0.3.8-68+0cssu9_amd64.deb | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 19:09 |
| Pali | maemo's upstart is different as debian's | 19:09 |
| Pali | it will not work | 19:10 |
| Pali | look at dsme's script /etc/event.d/dsme how to init daemon starting it | 19:10 |
| Pali | and start it manually | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | ok, is it ok if I remove csysvinit-core and install maemo upstart? | 19:10 |
| Pali | if you do that on debian/ubuntu you will get unbootable system | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | mind you, this is chroot, so even if I screw it, it is not a problem | 19:11 |
| Pali | upstart is init daemon | 19:11 |
| parazyd | freemangordon: arm-sdk uses my toolchains to compile the kernel, all other bins/libs are made with vanilla (as in debian) | 19:11 |
| Pali | same as systemd or sysvinit | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | parazyd: thanks | 19:11 |
| Pali | in chroot you are not running any init daemon | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | yes, but I guess I can start it by hand | 19:11 |
| Pali | yes, look at that script how upstart starting it | 19:12 |
| Pali | and start it manually | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | Pali: so, it is safe to replace sysvinit with upstart, correct? in chroot that is | 19:12 |
| parazyd | is upstart the only init that suffices? | 19:12 |
| Pali | why you want to replace it? | 19:12 |
| Pali | or what do you want to achieve? | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | because dsme in even.t is not that simple | 19:12 |
| Pali | in chroot you are not running init daemon | 19:13 |
| Pali | so it will not work | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali: yes, but I can start it by hand I guess | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | or not? | 19:13 |
| Pali | what do you mean by hand? | 19:13 |
| Pali | by hand = look at script and type commands manually | 19:13 |
| parazyd | you should rather run it all in a qemu | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | like /sbin/upstart or whatever the binary is | 19:13 |
| Pali | that will not work | 19:13 |
| Pali | as I wrote in chroot you are not running init daemon | 19:14 |
| Pali | init daemon = process with pid 1 | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok | 19:14 |
| sicelo | install systemd :) | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | parazyd: for initial stages chroot is easier to setup | 19:14 |
| Pali | sicelo: freemangordon is in chroot, it will not work too | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | :D | 19:15 |
| parazyd | :D | 19:15 |
| sicelo | :P | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | Pali: don;t bet on that | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | after all, this is systemd, I would not be suprised if it does kexec on it's own kernel to take over the machine from chroot :D | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | Pali: what are the chances for dsme to reboot/shutdown my machine once started? | 19:16 |
| Pali | it is possible | 19:17 |
| Pali | not dsme itself, but some module | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | :) | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | anyway, it refuses to start because it cannot read R&D flags | 19:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, idea | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | separate init daemon from maemo core daemons | 19:20 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: about wl1251... I sent email to lkml, you are on CC list | 21:03 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ok | 22:46 |
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