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| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? https://maemo.org/ -> white page | 02:44 |
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| Oksana | http://maemo.org/ works. Granted, https://maemo.org/ should either work or redirect, blank page is not fine | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in konqueror and firefox | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I can't log in without switching to https:// | 02:46 |
| * Oksana has same blank page for https://maemo.org/ in Firefox | 02:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW logging in auto-switches to https | 02:46 |
| * Oksana tries to login... same https problem... going to http://wiki.maemo.org/ ... | 02:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I logged in on http: and it switches to white page as soon as I click "Go" | 02:48 |
| Oksana | Wiki.maemo.org logs in... Without https, I am guessing. And it does not provide a login on maemo.org | 02:48 |
| Oksana | At least, https://wiki.maemo.org/ is not blank | 02:49 |
| Oksana | https://garage.maemo.org/ is not blank, either. | 02:49 |
| Oksana | >> Without https, I am guessing. << Assumption which may easily be incorrect. | 02:49 |
| Oksana | https://maemo.org/ is blank in Google Chrome, too | 02:50 |
| Oksana | Attempt to login from http://maemo.org/intro/ gives same blank https://maemo.org/intro/ | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or http://maemo.org/packages | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/sim-switcher/0.7.1-1/ | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ^^^ | 02:54 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: let me check | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Length: 0 [text/html] | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Saving to: 'STDOUT' | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - [ <=> ] 0 --.-KB/s in 0s | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2016-11-09 02:57:09 (0.00 B/s) - written to stdout [0/0] | 03:57 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: could you retry | 04:18 |
| xes | ? | 04:19 |
| * xes is falling into a deep sleep...Zzz | 04:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Connecting to maemo.org (maemo.org)|213.128.137.20|:443... connected. | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WARNING: cannot verify maemo.org's certificate, issued by '/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=StartCom Certification Authority/CN=StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA': | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2016-11-09 03:56:29 ERROR 403: Forbidden. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah! browser shows something | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OK, logged in. everything seems to work | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/11/09/plasma-desktopUe2244.png | 04:59 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: fine | 08:35 |
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| antranigv | hi all! | 10:53 |
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| antranigv | we heared about the Coding Competition. a friend of mine is asking if he can write an android app for Sailfish, or it has to be native? | 10:55 |
| gry | hah | 10:58 |
| gry | " Entries have to run on Maemo or Mer-based devices/platforms. " from http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Coding_Competition_2016 | 10:59 |
| gry | letmme see what sailfish is based on | 10:59 |
| gry | I think sailfish is mer-based so you're good to go | 11:00 |
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| xes | it seems that nowhere is written native application.. but i would not expect too many votes for an android app | 12:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd even rule out android apps, it's like writing a game for an arbitrary console emulator that happens to run under maemo/mer | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the purpose is to get more native maemo/mer apps, not to add to the galactic zoo of android apps | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((like writing a game for an arbitrary console emulator)) even worse: in this case the emulator would be non-free | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least afaik, or is sailfish's android compatibility stuff now FOSS? | 13:30 |
| bencoh | highly doubt it | 13:38 |
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| zGrr | moin | 13:51 |
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| brolin_empey | jonwil: Is there a third-party (from a company other than Intel) chipset for an Intel CPU in the post-Pentium 4 era? If yes, then maybe there is a motherboard from the last ten years with an Intel Core series CPU but without AMT/ME. | 14:59 |
| jonwil | 3rd parties stopped making Intel chipsets years ago. | 14:59 |
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| brolin_empey | jonwil: That is what I thought because the newest motherboard with an Intel CPU but with a third-party chipset I have seen is for Socket 478. There are Pentium 4 CPUs for Socket T AKA LGA775 but I do not know if there is an LGA775 motherboard with a third-party chipset. I think that all of the LGA775 motherboards I have seen use an Intel chipset. I do not know about the original Intel Core AKA Core 1 because my experience is with eras older than or newer | 15:05 |
| brolin_empey | than Core 1. | 15:05 |
| brolin_empey | I do not know if an LGA775 Pentium 4 even uses the same technology as a Pentium 4 for Socket 423 or Socket 478, i.e., if an LGA775 Pentium 4 uses a core based on the NetBurst microarchitecture. | 15:11 |
| Wizzup | core2duo can have ME removed | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | see libreboot on x200 laptops | 15:18 |
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| brolin_empey | Wizzup: ThinkPad X200? Only Core 2 Duo even if the motherboard supports Core 2 Quad too? | 15:22 |
| Wizzup | I don't understand your question | 15:23 |
| brolin_empey | Wizzup: You said Core 2 Duo but a motherboard, at least a desktop model, that can use a Core 2 Duo CPU can also use a Core 2 Quad CPU. I do not know if the same is true of notebook motherboards, though. | 15:25 |
| Wizzup | Just go to libreboot.org and see... | 15:25 |
| brolin_empey | Wizzup: OK but I was asking because I thought you may know the answer off hand. | 15:29 |
| brolin_empey | I wonder if the early MacBook with white plastic (polycarbonate, IIRC) case I have has a Core 1 CPU. I never use that computer because I do not have a power supply for it and I do not want to give money to AAPL. | 15:33 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: DFI said that they need to modify the firmware for their computer/motherboard to add support for the model of LVDS display panel my company is using. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 15:40 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I did not mean that the firmware needs to be rearchitectected, I only meant that DFI needs to add support for the display panel we are using, which requires rebuilding the firmware. | 15:43 |
| brolin_empey | rearchitected? I do not want to sidetrack myself to look up the spelling of that word. | 15:44 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: (continuing our conversation from months or years ago about notebook computers with a proper (high quality) integrated display) I see that at least 2 or 3 models of notebook computers with an AMOLED display are now commercially available. However, the deal breaker for me is that none of the models I found have a numeric keypad, not even the ThinkPad model. (fail) | 15:50 |
| bencoh | do you actually need a numeric keypad on a laptop? | 15:52 |
| brolin_empey | bencoh: Yes. I intentionally avoid using the term “laptop” in this context because it is a misnomer. | 15:55 |
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| brolin_empey | Although, to be literal, I use a tower computer on a table at home, not a desktop (horizontal) computer case on a desk. | 15:58 |
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| brolin_empey | I wonder why Commodore released an all-in-one portable (luggable) C64 (the SX-64) but not an all-in-one portable Amiga. | 16:01 |
| brolin_empey | If you say that the power supply for the computer being external makes the computer not literally all in one, well, I have a Pentium II notebook computer, a Compaq Armada 1750, with an internal power supply. | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for Opensuse (and other systemd cursed distros with rsyslogd): http://paste.opensuse.org/18093004 | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/4762396 | 17:28 |
| kerio | wasdat | 17:31 |
| sicelo | i think ... systemd has a lot of bad ... but, it's here to stay :-/ | 17:35 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo: only if you dont protest | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | i use systemd-less systems | 17:38 |
| sicelo | i should think people protested when dbus first came out, pulseaudio, etc. | 17:39 |
| sicelo | (or Trump) :p | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | dont start politics :P | 17:41 |
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| sicelo | lol .. but it makes the point | 17:42 |
| sicelo | dbus basically is unavoidable now, and PA is also hard to avoid | 17:43 |
| sicelo | not saying any of them are good | 17:43 |
| sicelo | or bad | 17:43 |
| kerio | macos | 17:44 |
| kerio | freebsd | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | my slackware only has dbus, and i can disable it | 17:44 |
| kerio | (the latter may spontanously grow up a pulseaudio but you can kill it) | 17:44 |
| sicelo | yes kerio .. but not all of us can afford a MAC | 17:44 |
| kerio | ye the latest macbook pro is a bit too insane :( | 17:45 |
| kerio | freebsd has gpu acceleration | 17:45 |
| kerio | zfs | 17:45 |
| kerio | init system that you can change with a text editor | 17:45 |
| sicelo | the price of an iphone can buy a good used car .. so a mac(book) is just out of reach really | 17:46 |
| kerio | https://www.trueos.org | 17:46 |
| kerio | the name is pretty damn silly | 17:46 |
| kerio | but it's a decent freebsd desktop distro | 17:46 |
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| kerio | sicelo: the lack of a 32gb option in the new macbook pro and the lack of data checksumming in apfs are kinda turning me off apple, i have to say :\ | 17:47 |
| sicelo | you'll have that thing .. what they cally it .. in place of F-keys ;) | 17:48 |
| kerio | that's pretty neat | 17:48 |
| kerio | and it also acts as a secure enclave for the purpose of fingerprint authentication | 17:48 |
| bencoh | how is removing esc key "pretty neat"? seriously... | 17:49 |
| sicelo | i thought fingerprint stuff was no longer considered the way to go in security | 17:49 |
| bencoh | and ... yeah, fingerprint is shit | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | but neat | 17:49 |
| sicelo | bencoh: where do you need to escape to or from ;) | 17:50 |
| bencoh | krkr | 17:50 |
| kerio | bencoh: an "esc" virtual button is always present and can't be disabled by programs | 17:50 |
| kerio | if you're such a heavy "esc" user that you need a physical button for it, there's a key at the left of "a" that you should've been using in the first place anyway | 17:51 |
| kerio | serious vim users would scoff at you for suggesting to move your hands from the home row :> | 17:51 |
| brolin_empey | bencoh: In the same way as completely removing the numeric keypad from all unibody MacBook keyboards? | 17:53 |
| kerio | the horror | 17:53 |
| kerio | are you upset because every notebook manifacturer will do the same thing apple is doing 6 months from now, in a more mediocre way? | 17:56 |
| bencoh | brolin_empey: there never was any numeric keypad on macbook(pro) | 17:58 |
| bencoh | apart from the Fn-* shortcuts that kinda looked like a numeric keypad | 17:59 |
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| bencoh | kerio: I'm not a huge fan of remapping capslock to something non-standard | 18:00 |
| bencoh | best way to mess with your muscle memory | 18:00 |
| kerio | you should remap it to ctrl | 18:00 |
| kerio | it's amazing | 18:00 |
| bencoh | I don't need to remap it to ctrl | 18:00 |
| bencoh | I can use ctrl without my finger | 18:00 |
| kerio | but it's amazing | 18:00 |
| kerio | say whaaaat | 18:00 |
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| bencoh | kerio: see this part of the hand that sits just below your little finger? | 18:03 |
| kerio | ok how do you hit ctrl but not alt or fn or super | 18:03 |
| kerio | also isn't it like hell on your bones? | 18:04 |
| bencoh | I don't do it on laptops | 18:04 |
| bencoh | but on external keyboards it's just fine :) | 18:04 |
| bencoh | and no it's not hell :) | 18:04 |
| bencoh | and I can it ctrl only | 18:04 |
| bencoh | (actually I can't hit alt/fn with it) | 18:04 |
| kerio | oh because it's the leftmost key, i see | 18:04 |
| bencoh | yup | 18:05 |
| bencoh | it's pretty handy actually | 18:05 |
| kerio | anyway, the touch bar is cute | 18:06 |
| kerio | the new macbook pros are expensive | 18:07 |
| kerio | hopefully the kaby lake refresh will support 32gb of ram | 18:07 |
| bencoh | the what? | 18:08 |
| kerio | intel microarchitecture after skylake | 18:09 |
| bencoh | ah, latest intel cpu? | 18:09 |
| kerio | i7 7xxx as opposed to i7 6xxx | 18:09 |
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| KotCzarny | old thinkpad's kb was the best one, layout wise and design wise | 18:11 |
| kerio | embrace the usb c | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | nevah! | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | love is all you need! | 18:13 |
| kerio | no but seriously usb c is pretty amazing | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ((wasdat)) http://paste.opensuse.org/26292051 | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, my laptop has everything i need, and i rarely use external things | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: versus http://paste.opensuse.org/67266835 | 18:27 |
| kerio | rip logs | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see the filename! | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | syslog-session-blabla.conf | 18:28 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: I mostly do not use notebook computers. My primary computers are desktop/tower computers. A handheld computer that I can carry in my pants pocket is far more useful to me than a notebook computer. | 18:38 |
| kerio | pyra? | 18:39 |
| kerio | or one of those awkward x86 ones? | 18:39 |
| brolin_empey | bencoh: Pre-unibody MacBook keyboards, at least on the MacBook with the white plastic case, have an overlaid numeric keypad. | 18:40 |
| bencoh | brolin_empey: *overlaid* and you had to use it with fn, yeah | 18:43 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: By “handheld computer”, I mean what is commonly referred to as a smartphone but I dislike that term because it is a computer that I occasionally use as a telephone, not a telephone that I occassionally use as a computer. | 18:44 |
| kerio | brolin_empey: oh, i thought you were cool :( | 18:44 |
| brolin_empey | bencoh: An overlaid numeric keypad works for me and is much better than having no integrated numeric keypad. | 18:47 |
| bencoh | true | 18:49 |
| bencoh | (I never used it, but still) | 18:49 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: There are x86 smartphones, such as my retired Geeksphone Revolution and even some old Nokia model whose name I forgot. | 18:49 |
| kerio | yeah but those are bad | 18:50 |
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| kerio | brolin_empey: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-intel-z8700-win-10-os-game-console-laptop#/ | 18:52 |
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| brolin_empey | kerio: That computer is interesting but it cannot replace a smartphone. | 19:45 |
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