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jonwil | hi | 09:59 |
CatButts | uhllo | 09:59 |
bencoh | 65 | 10:08 |
bencoh | err. hey :) | 10:09 |
jonwil | No closer to getting gtfs2db working :( | 10:15 |
jonwil | it compiles but produces no output | 10:19 |
KotCzarny | debug every stage of the lib | 10:19 |
KotCzarny | and find where it breaks | 10:19 |
jonwil | that isn't helping, I cant seem to get gdb to run it for some reason (and yes I built the binary with -g) | 10:33 |
KotCzarny | im talking about printf() type debugging | 10:34 |
jonwil | I dont know enough about what the code is doing to understand where to go with that :( | 10:38 |
KotCzarny | start with grabber/parser | 10:39 |
KotCzarny | to see if it gets the data | 10:39 |
KotCzarny | might be that some syntax error make it fail | 10:39 |
KotCzarny | maybe it gets 404 from the server even? | 10:39 |
KotCzarny | or some redirect page | 10:39 |
jonwil | its not doing any file downloads | 10:46 |
jonwil | its supposed to take a zip file with gtfs data in it and convert it to a sqlite db | 10:46 |
jonwil | but it isn't doing that, it creates the db just fine | 10:46 |
jonwil | but it doesn't put any records in it | 10:46 |
jonwil | it just says "0 agencies added" ,"0 service schedules added" ,"0 service exceptions added", "0 routes added", "0 stops added", "0 trips added" and "0 stop times added" | 10:47 |
KotCzarny | then as i said, check if it loads files fine, and what parser gets/outputs | 10:57 |
KotCzarny | also check if you can enable some internal debug, many packages/libs have such thing | 10:59 |
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jonwil | there is no internal debugs and I cant understand what the code is doing enough to be able to add printfs anywhere to debug it | 11:14 |
jonwil | So I am stuck :( | 11:14 |
KotCzarny | dont give up, analyze | 11:15 |
KotCzarny | start with main, then just follow functions | 11:18 |
joga | strace? | 11:31 |
KotCzarny | nah, its about data parsing | 11:32 |
joga | k | 11:32 |
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sicelo | silly question - with functional/procedural programming on one side, and object oriented on the other, how do you decide which method is better for a specific project? | 12:04 |
KotCzarny | user skills | 12:04 |
KotCzarny | and maybe frameworks used | 12:04 |
KotCzarny | readability important? | 12:05 |
jon_y | all the objects are now called obyek_### and even forward declared :) | 12:06 |
jon_y | personally, I think its silly to compare which "paradigm" is "better" | 12:06 |
sicelo | :) | 12:06 |
KotCzarny | oo tends to be easier to use if done right (documentation important) | 12:08 |
sicelo | jon_y: yes i agree .. my question was more on - how do you decide which one you will use at a specific time | 12:08 |
KotCzarny | i mostly do c | 12:08 |
jon_y | me too | 12:08 |
jon_y | object oriented C is possible with some discipline | 12:09 |
jon_y | I've been bitten by C++ operator overloading, so I'm biased against C++ | 12:09 |
bencoh | object-oriented C <3 | 12:10 |
jon_y | Java is alright, but is still missing unsigned integers | 12:10 |
jon_y | java doesn't pretend to be C compatible | 12:10 |
KotCzarny | java is heavy on low memory systems :/ | 12:10 |
jon_y | so is C++ if you abuse the template system | 12:10 |
bencoh | indeed | 12:11 |
bencoh | java is always heavy though ;) | 12:11 |
KotCzarny | :) | 12:11 |
jon_y | yeah I don't like java gc | 12:11 |
bencoh | ;) | 12:11 |
jon_y | it really needs malloc/free :) | 12:11 |
KotCzarny | bencoh, if arm ever decided to promote java in cpus and made some easy to use sdks | 12:12 |
jon_y | run bytecode directly? | 12:12 |
KotCzarny | there is something called jazelle | 12:12 |
KotCzarny | cat /proc/cpuingo | 12:12 |
KotCzarny | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 12:12 |
jon_y | and then suddenly, the next java version is out :) | 12:13 |
KotCzarny | :) | 12:13 |
bencoh | KotCzarny: there is something indeed | 12:13 |
KotCzarny | A Jazelle-aware Java Virtual Machine (JVM) will attempt to run Java bytecodes in hardware, while returning to the software for more complicated, or lesser-used bytecode operations. ARM claims that approximately 95% of bytecode in typical program usage ends up being directly processed in the hardware. | 12:13 |
bencoh | and it's actually in use in part of the industry (think "security") | 12:13 |
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KotCzarny | so, 'new java version' could be mitigated to some extent | 12:14 |
bencoh | all those trust/sim cards/modules run "security" java applets | 12:14 |
KotCzarny | but there would need to be some open source jvm available to use it | 12:14 |
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KotCzarny | they've decided to go capitalist route though, so no banana | 12:15 |
jonwil | Last I heard ARM went to great lengths to keep Jazelle details secret | 12:16 |
jon_y | I wonder what the "Communist" route is | 12:16 |
bencoh | huhu | 12:16 |
KotCzarny | opensource | 12:16 |
KotCzarny | ;) | 12:16 |
jon_y | no | 12:16 |
KotCzarny | dont confuse communist with socialist | 12:16 |
jon_y | OSS is not communist, it lacks the central planning committee | 12:16 |
jon_y | all JVM instances are owned by the state, it makes all policies :) | 12:16 |
KotCzarny | jon_y, that's socialist | 12:17 |
jon_y | oh? | 12:17 |
KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism | 12:17 |
KotCzarny | socialist was the soviet implementation of communism | 12:17 |
KotCzarny | *socialism | 12:18 |
jon_y | so what is "Communism"? | 12:18 |
KotCzarny | socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state | 12:18 |
KotCzarny | no state, no classes, so no central comitee | 12:18 |
jon_y | who enforces such common ownership? | 12:19 |
KotCzarny | in practice people are egoistic, which required central force to keep them in-line | 12:19 |
KotCzarny | communism is an ideal system impossible to implement in pure fashion | 12:19 |
jon_y | hence socialism I guess | 12:19 |
KotCzarny | yup | 12:19 |
KotCzarny | idea vs reality | 12:19 |
jon_y | *ideal | 12:20 |
KotCzarny | yup | 12:20 |
bencoh | seriously? ... | 12:20 |
jon_y | oh well, lets wait for the next wave :) | 12:20 |
KotCzarny | remember, its about common owning of goods | 12:20 |
KotCzarny | so, kinda open source | 12:21 |
KotCzarny | i can take, use, and result has to be still open source | 12:21 |
jon_y | well "Open Source" | 12:21 |
jon_y | read-only license :) | 12:21 |
KotCzarny | i might be thinking about gpl though when i write open source | 12:21 |
jon_y | GPL is just one of the open source license | 12:22 |
jon_y | there is also MS-PL I think | 12:22 |
jon_y | from MS | 12:22 |
jon_y | and then CDDL which doesn't want to play nice with GPL | 12:22 |
KotCzarny | thing is, idea is for the code to be shared and usable by anyone on equal rights | 12:22 |
KotCzarny | so no patents, no private code etc | 12:23 |
jon_y | yeah that argument, I guess you don't like BSD huh :) | 12:23 |
KotCzarny | i have nothing against bsd | 12:23 |
jon_y | BSD vs GPL fight! | 12:23 |
KotCzarny | and im not a communism advocate | 12:23 |
KotCzarny | its just about communism vs socialism | 12:24 |
KotCzarny | and people confusion | 12:24 |
jon_y | there will always be the next wave, don't worry about it :) | 12:24 |
KotCzarny | yup. orwell like | 12:24 |
KotCzarny | we are at the point when everything is being tracked | 12:24 |
KotCzarny | evertyhing being logged | 12:25 |
KotCzarny | no more grey area (at least in theory) | 12:25 |
jon_y | orwell's house has a CCTV placed in front of it :) | 12:25 |
KotCzarny | got smartphone? smarttv? ;) | 12:25 |
KotCzarny | smartcar(soon) ? | 12:25 |
jon_y | speaking of smart cars | 12:26 |
KotCzarny | do you think you will own the code that runs on them? | 12:26 |
jon_y | I had an argument with my colleague at work about it | 12:26 |
jon_y | he says self-driving cars should be mandatory | 12:26 |
KotCzarny | people are getting more and more stupid and careless | 12:26 |
KotCzarny | but that's only because we are allowing such types to have driving licences etc | 12:27 |
bencoh | 12:26 < KotCzarny> people are getting more and more stupid and careless | 12:27 |
bencoh | is that so? | 12:27 |
jon_y | "so, should smart cars allow people to do dangerous things like exiting the vehicle while it is moving?" | 12:27 |
jon_y | "no" he said | 12:27 |
bencoh | you really think people were less "careless" 50 years ago? :) | 12:27 |
KotCzarny | bencoh: yup, emojis vs communication | 12:27 |
jon_y | and then it formed the next GTA plot :) | 12:27 |
KotCzarny | bencoh, nope | 12:27 |
bencoh | (or less "stupid" for that matters) | 12:27 |
KotCzarny | but they cared more | 12:27 |
jon_y | imma use "smart self-driving cars" to kidnap people :) | 12:28 |
KotCzarny | somehow human life was a bit more valuable | 12:28 |
bencoh | dunno what they cared more about, but sure | 12:28 |
bencoh | riiiight | 12:28 |
jon_y | you can't exit the vehicle while its moving | 12:28 |
jon_y | since that would be dangerous | 12:28 |
KotCzarny | jon_y: failsafes. failsafes everywhere | 12:28 |
KotCzarny | emergency breaks in trains for example? | 12:28 |
jon_y | "failsafe has been removed due to potential abuse" | 12:28 |
KotCzarny | it's solvable | 12:29 |
KotCzarny | just has to have some punishment for abuse | 12:29 |
jon_y | I dunno, the next iCar might be like an iPhone, it has a "go" button, thats it | 12:29 |
KotCzarny | jon_y: so what would happen when someone splats gasoline on your icar and sets it on fire while you are driving? ;) | 12:30 |
jon_y | yep | 12:30 |
jon_y | DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EXIT YOUR VEHICLE. EXCESSIVE EXTERNAL HEAT DETECTED. | 12:30 |
jon_y | or have it attempt to drive into the sea locking the occupants in it :) | 12:31 |
KotCzarny | dont worry, even if there would be accidents during beta testing (which could take many years) | 12:31 |
KotCzarny | we will get there eventually | 12:31 |
KotCzarny | but more than likely we will be dead long before ;) | 12:32 |
jon_y | I wonder how those fancy self driving cars handle poor weather | 12:35 |
jon_y | like those rains with 2m visibility | 12:36 |
KotCzarny | sensors | 12:36 |
KotCzarny | i would bet on slowing down | 12:36 |
jon_y | IR works poorly in rains | 12:36 |
jon_y | I wonder if radar still work | 12:36 |
jonwil | radar most definatly works in rain and bad weather | 13:00 |
jonwil | If it didn't airplanes wouldn't be using it | 13:00 |
jonwil | and cops wouldn't be using it to catch speeding drivers | 13:00 |
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jon_y | jonwil: depends on the radar build | 13:06 |
jon_y | CW radar gets funny in bad weather | 13:06 |
jonwil | well if you were building radar for a car you would use the sort that would not fail in weather | 13:07 |
KotCzarny | what about snow? | 13:07 |
KotCzarny | ;) | 13:07 |
jon_y | heh, car comes with a WW2 style mattress radar | 13:07 |
jon_y | and comes with appropriate vacuum tube amps to survive EMPs | 13:08 |
KotCzarny | yup, thunder weather could be funny | 13:09 |
KotCzarny | :> | 13:09 |
jon_y | unforunately, it needs a dedicated operator | 13:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (why yerk, not yerg) a 'g' is ambiguous and prone to get pronounced like in end of "George" | 13:10 |
kerio | that's j | 13:11 |
KotCzarny | get good | 13:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | English is about as bad as it gets when trying to find (undefined) character sequences with unambiguous pronounciation. alas I don't know any of the usual 'official' phoneme encodings | 13:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jörg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/De-reisen.ogg + https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/De-Weber.ogg | 13:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so here you are: [jœʁk] | 13:27 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Deutsch/Lautschrift | 13:28 |
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kerio | joe r.k. | 14:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ohnoes | 14:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not Cho Arr Kay | 14:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal omap-oc | 14:39 |
infobot | "omap-oc" is "http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11" | 14:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc is also http://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/156130 | 14:40 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 14:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal omap-oc | 14:40 |
infobot | "omap-oc" is "http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11, or http://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/156130" | 14:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | note that all those effects have some thresholds defined by physical constants (like the 3.2eV for a carrier needed to tunnel the band gap). so increasing clock may result in _very_ disproportional sudden increase of aging and damage | 14:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and the effect on the transistor isn't sudden failure but increasingly running out of specs and thus eventually causing random malfunctions under certain conditions | 14:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and again for all those suffering the TL;DR syndrome or ADHS: Hot Carrier Injection is caused by high frequency, _not_ high temperature | 14:56 |
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tiss | microb keeps freezing for me | 15:44 |
tiss | unexpectedly | 15:44 |
KotCzarny | you've got a virus | 15:44 |
tiss | even with just one window open and reading a text page, it suddenly locks up and stops responding to anything | 15:45 |
KotCzarny | just kidding, did you try a reboot? | 15:45 |
tiss | maemo virus? | 15:45 |
tiss | yeah reboot works but i mean it keeps happening | 15:45 |
KotCzarny | any suspicious extension? | 15:45 |
tiss | i think the dafault one? | 15:46 |
KotCzarny | anything in dmesg? | 15:46 |
tiss | maemo geolocation 115, singe sign on for ovi | 15:46 |
KotCzarny | uh, you know ovi exists no more? | 15:47 |
tiss | atlas plugin, default plugin, mediaplayer plugin, messagebus plugin, shockwave flash | 15:47 |
tiss | yeah i know | 15:47 |
tiss | its a default plugin i think | 15:47 |
KotCzarny | uhum | 15:47 |
tiss | installs with a reflash | 15:47 |
KotCzarny | anyway, anything unusual in dmesg? | 15:47 |
KotCzarny | low on memory? badblocks? | 15:47 |
KotCzarny | anything nonstandard about your installation? | 15:48 |
KotCzarny | are those freezes temporary or you have to reboot? | 15:48 |
tiss | powerkernel, latest cssu ofc | 15:48 |
tiss | not sure if i see anything odd in dmesg | 15:50 |
tiss | i have to reboot | 15:50 |
tiss | well not always | 15:50 |
tiss | i can press the power button and force the application to close | 15:50 |
tiss | sometimes it works and maemo resumes, sometimes everything crashes, sometimes everything except desktop stops working | 15:51 |
KotCzarny | do you have swap on sd card? | 15:52 |
CatButts | eeew | 15:52 |
tiss | nope | 15:55 |
KotCzarny | i would suspect badblocks in swap | 15:55 |
KotCzarny | but too little data | 15:56 |
KotCzarny | maybe you can do the readonly test ie. cat the partition into /dev/null and see if it completes | 15:56 |
KotCzarny | but otoh it would happen in other applications too | 15:57 |
jon_y | I wonder what happens if you port pciutils to maemo | 15:59 |
jon_y | lspci probably doesn't show anything | 15:59 |
KotCzarny | jon_y: yup. | 16:00 |
KotCzarny | jon_y: marvel socs have pci, on those systems it's reasonable | 16:00 |
KotCzarny | # lspci | 16:00 |
KotCzarny | pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci | 16:00 |
KotCzarny | lspci: Cannot find any working access method. | 16:00 |
KotCzarny | (on my banana) | 16:00 |
jon_y | how does ARM handle the PCI config space etc? | 16:01 |
jon_y | just curious | 16:01 |
jon_y | PCI as a platform device? | 16:01 |
jon_y | there is BIOS ond ACPI MCFG on x86 | 16:01 |
KotCzarny | i dont know such board, so hard to say, kernel source for marvels is available, you might check | 16:01 |
KotCzarny | s/know/own/ | 16:01 |
infobot | KotCzarny meant: i dont own such board, so hard to say, kernel source for marvels is available, you might check | 16:01 |
jon_y | ok, I think I strayed into atmel or such where it is a platform device | 16:02 |
jon_y | some other driver loads first, reads the device tree, pass the base addresses to the PCI driver | 16:02 |
KotCzarny | see clearfog or espessobin boards | 16:02 |
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Pali | gregoa: hi! | 19:01 |
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Pali | looks you are here :-) | 19:18 |
Pali | gregoa: about rt112231, module needs to be checked if MIME encoding function are used correctly and on correct places | 19:19 |
gregoa | ok | 19:20 |
Pali | gregoa: if you are going to play with that Net-Jifty, look at (updated) documentation of MIME-Header: https://metacpan.org/pod/Encode::MIME::Header | 19:22 |
Pali | now there is documented what (last) version of MIME-Header is doing | 19:22 |
gregoa | Pali: I'm not sure I care enough about net-jifty, to be honest. just thought I could fix a simple bug. | 19:23 |
Pali | ok | 19:23 |
Pali | and looks like it is not a simple bug :-) | 19:23 |
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sicelo | KotCzarny: x40 .. the one thing that's unfortunate is the graphics .. resolution a bit on the low side. by the way, what OS you run on yours? | 20:55 |
KotCzarny | slackware | 20:55 |
KotCzarny | as for resolution, if you have some diy skills and find proper display/lcd cable, you can have high res ips | 20:56 |
sicelo | you're sure? the VGA port can't drive higher res, at least as far as i have seen | 20:57 |
KotCzarny | you can set external resolution if you disable display cloning | 20:58 |
KotCzarny | either via xrandr or fn-f7 | 20:58 |
KotCzarny | but xrandr should be all you need | 20:58 |
sicelo | i'll retry | 20:59 |
KotCzarny | preferably via ssh | 20:59 |
KotCzarny | hmm, cant find any x40 display swaps pages, maybe it was x60 | 21:05 |
kerio | why not a new macbook pro? :^) | 21:05 |
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kerio | four 2160p screens plus the internal one | 21:06 |
KotCzarny | nah, too easy | 21:06 |
KotCzarny | also white. | 21:06 |
KotCzarny | i prefer black slim laptops | 21:06 |
kerio | there's black | 21:06 |
KotCzarny | black macbook? omg | 21:07 |
kerio | well | 21:07 |
sicelo | KotCzarny: yay .. so maybe i had cable problems before. i'm getting higher res now | 21:07 |
kerio | space gray | 21:07 |
kerio | as opposed to silver | 21:07 |
KotCzarny | sicelo: if you have display clone enabled max you can get is lcd's res | 21:07 |
kerio | not like the old black polycarbonate macbook :( | 21:07 |
KotCzarny | naaah. too shiny. black. | 21:07 |
sicelo | i had unchecked that ... i think the laptop couldn't detect the screen info. right now it even finds the name of the monitor | 21:08 |
kerio | KotCzarny: i really wish the new macbook had more than 16gb of ram :c | 21:10 |
KotCzarny | kerio: buy two, problem solved ;) | 21:11 |
kerio | brilliant :o | 21:11 |
kerio | they can even charge each other i think | 21:11 |
KotCzarny | more screen resolution too | 21:11 |
kerio | honestly the razer blade 17" is what the macbook pro should've been i think :< | 21:13 |
KotCzarny | i treat my laptops as a console rather than workstation | 21:14 |
KotCzarny | that's why x40 is perfect for it | 21:14 |
sicelo | now i wonder what's the highest res it can support :) | 21:19 |
KotCzarny | see xrandr output maybe | 21:19 |
KotCzarny | or just connect fullhd monitor and see how high can it go | 21:20 |
sicelo | if this is correct, the it's not bad at all, http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/346613-33-865g-mobo-intel-extreme-graphics-supporting-1366x768-resolution | 21:27 |
sicelo | um .. wrong card :( | 21:28 |
KotCzarny | x40 has i945 afair | 21:28 |
sicelo | Intel Corporation 82852/855GM | 21:29 |
KotCzarny | ahhum | 21:29 |
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KotCzarny | http://w0rst-hardware.blogspot.com/2008/02/make-1680x1050-and-1440x900-resolution.html | 21:32 |
KotCzarny | that means at least 1680x1050 is possible | 21:32 |
KotCzarny | and even 1920x1200 (from comments) | 21:33 |
sicelo | https://support.lenovo.com/za/en/olddownloads/ds013898 ... 2048x1536 too, it seems. :) | 21:38 |
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kerio | nice :o | 22:00 |
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jonwil | hi] | 22:35 |
freemangordon | Pali: why is that https://github.com/community-ssu/libdevlock-dev/blob/master/Makefile#L9 needed? | 22:38 |
freemangordon | jonwil: hi | 22:38 |
Pali | freemangordon: libdevlock.so is needed for -dev package | 22:49 |
Pali | and it should be in -dev package only | 22:49 |
freemangordon | Pali: ok, put devlocktool is linked against libdevlock.so.1 | 22:50 |
freemangordon | *but | 22:50 |
freemangordon | not against libdevlock.so | 22:50 |
Pali | when you use gcc's flag -l<something> it looks for file lib<something>.so | 22:50 |
freemangordon | I know | 22:50 |
Pali | but link name is getting from SONAME property of so file | 22:51 |
Pali | not from filename! | 22:51 |
freemangordon | ah, I see | 22:51 |
freemangordon | Pali: I REed libdevlock and now packaging it | 22:51 |
freemangordon | how should I set that SONAME? | 22:51 |
Pali | use readelf -d <your_lib>.so | 22:51 |
Pali | that will read content of so file | 22:52 |
freemangordon | ok, but how to set it in the makefile | 22:52 |
Pali | and you can see SONAME of that libtary | 22:52 |
Pali | if you want to set soname, you -soname parameter of ld | 22:52 |
Pali | of *ld* linker not compiler | 22:52 |
freemangordon | ok, thanks | 22:52 |
Pali | IIRC -Wl,-soname=<NAME> should be passed to gcc | 22:52 |
Pali | -Wl as pass flag to linker | 22:53 |
freemangordon | thanks | 22:53 |
freemangordon | yeah | 22:53 |
Pali | but check some other Makefile in community-ssy | 22:53 |
Pali | *ssu | 22:53 |
Pali | some package should already use it | 22:53 |
freemangordon | ok | 22:53 |
Pali | codelockui | 22:54 |
Pali | it has full target flags for libcodelockui.so.1.0.0 | 22:54 |
Pali | freemangordon: or connui-conndlgs-wlan | 22:55 |
Pali | or osso-product-info | 22:56 |
freemangordon | Pali: no need, ^^^ linker falg works | 22:56 |
Pali | check those Makefiles and create similar | 22:56 |
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