IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2016-10-19

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KotCzarnydarn. i'm out of irc for a few days and you hackers bomb the n900 with mainline devuan? i love you guys (and girls)00:55
L29Ah> not gentoo00:58
KotCzarnyimo once there is working image/builder script, it will be trivial to make any distro01:00
L29Ahyeah with a fresh kernel and glibc01:01
KotCzarnyoh wow.. maemo app with in-app ads o.O01:16
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_maniac_Hi again, I don't remember if I asked this before (or what answer did I recieve if any), but is there a TOTP application for maemo?01:20
KotCzarnywhat's totp?01:21
_maniac_for google authenticator and the likes01:21
_maniac_time based one-time password01:21
kerio_maniac_: ye01:22
kerioit's called OTP in the repos01:22
kerioit doesn't have a qr scanner01:22
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kerioyou have to manually convert the base32 code into hex to use it01:23
_maniac_oh, ok, I'll try it01:24
_maniac_thank you kerio01:24
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Sicelo07:16 < KotCzarny> oh wow.. maemo app with in-app ads o.O01:24
KotCzarnysome timer app01:24
Wizzupisn't totp like 20 lines of code?01:26
KotCzarnywizzup, someone has to write them and package the result01:27
_maniac_yeah, it isn't that hard, that's why I was surprised I didn't find any01:28
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_maniac_ok, I didn't find it because it isn't in HAM01:48
KotCzarnyham doesnt show all categories afair01:53
KotCzarnySection: unknown01:54
KotCzarnycould be the reason not showing up in ham01:54
_maniac_any way to make it do that? I heard of something called 'red pill mode', but I think that isn't relevant anymore.01:59
KotCzarnyjust use apt-get01:59
KotCzarnyi guess it was made that way because it has no gui01:59
KotCzarnyor maintainer didnt add a recognizable section02:00
KotCzarnyyeah. section: unknown in source control file02:01
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_maniac_I already did install it, it seems to work. And it has a gui.02:09
KotCzarnyshould be reported to a maintainer02:10
KotCzarny(but it's 5 years since last update)02:11
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* Oksana is looking for BOM stations db for OMweather Where is the debian package?03:58
OksanaHmm, and why does not work? works fine04:02
ds3is there a packaged up Maemo environment to run N900 apps on other devices with just plain X?04:18
Oksanads3: Xephyr should be helpful, I think.
ds3can I install debs in that environment?04:34
OksanaI think so. Not sure. Haven't developed for some time, and when I did, I mostly used N900 itself for testing, so not much experience with Xephyer.04:37
* Oksana used to use MADDE on Windows XP04:38
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ds3been wanting a Maemo mode to run apps on other mobile devices05:03
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ds3hmmm no sources to adapt it05:07
MaxdamantusXephyr isn't the main thing there. It's just an X server that displays itself as a window in another X server.05:32
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OksanaMaemo mode? Like apkenv, only in reverse? Sounds interesting...06:21
OksanaIf architecture is the same (like, armel), and OS is debian-based (Android isn't, I guess) , then you mostly need to figure out the dependencies hell. Otherwise, sounds complicated...06:23
OksanaRubiks package sounds interesting, but exists in sid, not in wheezy. Aka, backporting it to older libc6 and such could be a challenge...06:27
Oksanalibc6 and libstdc++6 and libgcc1 are the only dependencies Sounds like excellent backend07:02
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Oksana Does Mugen exist?08:37
Oksana>> Now that BP has done the decent thing and backed out of the Bight << Good news! >> Companies like Santos and Chevron still hold exploration leases. << Huh...
ds3yes. like apkenv but in reverse08:59
ds3I am find with tar'ing up rootfs from a N90008:59
ds3problem is linking up the display - VNC might work08:59
ds3if I had time - I'd build it09:00
ds3replace X with Xvnc and run things under proot09:00
ds3and maybe replace microB with something that sends intents to launch the naive browser09:00
ds3if I knew enough, I'd try to setup OpenGLES09:01
MaxdamantusI have a feeling a bunch of executables like hildon-desktop, hildon-status-menu, etc have compiled-in knowledge of the particular imgtech whatever GPU is in the SoC.09:05
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KotCzarnyds3, i think setting up sdk or madde is the closest one, otherwise i would guess setting up some hildon libs (and matchbox for a feel) and trying to recompile09:28
KotCzarnyunless you want 1:1 n900's experience?09:29
KotCzarnyand or n900's specific things like dsme or porting maemo to some other device?09:31
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KotCzarnyfremantle porting task force aims to port maemo to completely open system (neo900), as it's recompilable it might eventually do what you seek09:32
KotCzarnybtw. how to edit things like {{MADDE}} on wiki? it has outdated info and i dont see any way to edit it09:33
OksanaKotCzarny: There is Views->Edit, on the right-top side of the page
KotCzarnyi know how to edit wiki pages09:42
KotCzarnybut how to edit wiki notices/warnings09:42
Maxdamantusyou can see links to referenced pages in the edit page.09:43
KotCzarnyi've edited it using direct link, but i must be blind because i dont see 'views'09:45
KotCzarnythingy oksana pointed out09:46
MaxdamantusIt's on the right.09:47
Maxdamantusunder the search bar09:47
MaxdamantusNavigation { Main Page, Recent Changes, .. }, Views { Page, Discussion, Edit, History }09:47
KotCzarnyapparently missing in this color scheme09:49
OksanaAnd if you are editing a page, then at the bottom, under the editor, there is list of templates being used on the page, and links to templates. Like, from MADDE template I went to
MaxdamantusYeah, that's a completely different layout.09:49
OksanaYes, completely different09:49
MaxdamantusIf you look at it without your session you'll probably see the normal site.09:49
KotCzarnymight be some outdated theme on the wiki site09:50
MaxdamantusYour one is fairly similar to the old mediawiki layout.09:50
Maxdamantus(the one used on Wikipedia itself)09:50
KotCzarnyanyway, thx for you both, ive updated the box09:51
KotCzarnywho is the wiki admin?09:51
* Oksana has no idea how to add to {{Ambox}} an Edit link, which would be auto-inherited by {{MADDE}}, so that any template would have a neat Edit link without jumping through the hoops.09:52
OksanaKotCzarny: No idea...09:54
MaxdamantusAmbox is apparently semi-protected.09:54
KotCzarnymaxd: that's for general ambox09:55
KotCzarnynice. swb has admin rights09:55
KotCzarny(also generalantilles, this guy apparently left maemo ;)09:55
KotCzarnysixwheeledbeast: ^09:56
MaxdamantusAndrew Black? The doctoral student of Tony Hoare?09:56
* Maxdamantus met him once.09:56
* Maxdamantus suspects the one on the wiki will be a different person with the same name.09:56
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ds3just want to run maemo apps11:20
ds3android has a lack of usable apps (most of the are just excuses to push ads)11:21
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Siceloand this maemo will be running on pc?11:30
Siceloon other mobiles or pc, i would go with one of the main linux distros .. your specification sounds like a chroot should be enough for your needs :-/11:32
KotCzarnyrunning chroot maemo apps could modify host system11:33
KotCzarnydbus and friends, maybe devices11:33
Sicelosounds like he wants to be running maemo in android or pc to me ... at that level i guess a regular distro is a far better choice ... or something i didn't understand?11:35
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KotCzarnyswb, can you look if wiki style be updated?13:36
sixwheeledbeastwiki style?13:36
KotCzarnyi use 'MonoBook' skin13:36
KotCzarnyand it seems to be lacking features13:37
KotCzarnyie. no template edit/view13:37
KotCzarnywell, i can edit template by going through additional clicks13:38
KotCzarnybut if you can look into if the skin can be updated that would be nice13:38
KotCzarnyif it requires manual editing then forget it ;)13:38
sixwheeledbeast I don't have that type of admin rights, but I recall a conversation a long time ago with a MediaWiki guy that said our wiki was accient and badly needed updating for extra features, however there was some reason this wasn't easy, prolly midgard related?13:39
KotCzarnymight be, who can i ping regarding this issue?13:39
KotCzarnyas its not updating media wiki engine etc, just the skin13:39
sixwheeledbeastI have mediawiki access rights but couldn't update or change features etc.13:40
sixwheeledbeastI can have a look later if you can explain what you are trying to do, on lunch at the moment.13:41
KotCzarnyk, let me know when you have few minutes free then13:41
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Siceloincidentally, Microsoft Outlook Web Access loves MicroB and considers it a 'best' client. Android's web browser (at least Android 5.0.1) however gets to only see the Lite version of the site15:19
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_maniac_that's because microsoft bought nokia before.16:41
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: what's the deal with wiki then? I'm home now.19:44
sixwheeledbeastI don't believe it's best practice to modify every page containing tablets-dev. Would make sense to have one page with links and reference that, then if links change in the future again you are not changing loads of pages again. All IMO OFC19:48
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KotCzarnysf page should stay for a while20:11
KotCzarnyso its safe to assume not having to change that often20:11
KotCzarnyas for the change i wanted, there i was missing some features when using MonoBook skin20:12
KotCzarnywhich i assume could be fixed by updating that skin (assuming its independent from maemo and that newer version is still compatible)20:13
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sixwheeledbeastThe best I can do is confirm that I have the same issue with MonoBook.20:20
sixwheeledbeastSo you are using MonoBook not the default MonoBookMaemo2009?  Which features are missing20:22
KotCzarnythere is no link to edit templates in default page view, i had to click edit page then go to the bottom20:26
KotCzarnymight be there are more that i havent seen20:26
KotCzarnyand im using that particular skin because i need white-on-black and minimal screen estate wasted20:27
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sixwheeledbeastI have never played with the skins but monobook is awful20:33
KotCzarnyyup. minimalistic20:34
sixwheeledbeastwhere I am I looking for the missing link?20:34
KotCzarnygo to MADDE wiki page20:35
KotCzarnyit has notice on top which is a template20:35
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KotCzarnyin default skin there is a link on the right to edit it (in views)20:35
sixwheeledbeastI gotcha let me check20:36
sixwheeledbeastthey look the same here.20:37
sixwheeledbeastoh views20:38
sixwheeledbeastIt's just the layout of the skin, edit is a tab at the top in MonoBook20:40
KotCzarnycant check now, no x atm, will dig a bit tomorrow, thx!20:42
KotCzarnythough its not just edit of the page20:42
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KotCzarnywould be nice to have a 'edit' link on the top of templates20:43
sixwheeledbeastIn the default skin the VIews section on the side is the tabs along the top on MonoBook, I have all of them including Admin ones like protect etc.20:45
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ds3yes, I do want to run a maemo environment on android. a regular distro doesn't cut it. Try using an Xt widget app on a 6" touch cap sense touch screen21:49
ds3maemo apps have the widgets tweaked for smaller touch screens21:49
ds3as for permissions, chroot requires it but there is proot that can solve the perms issues21:50
KotCzarnyds3, you can tweak gtk/qt/other DE themes21:50
KotCzarnybut apps themselves must be ported to small screen, as in the case of many maemo ports21:52
KotCzarnyfor starters you can try copying gtk theme from maemo to see what happens21:52
freemangordonds3: The last couple of days I am thinking to start porting h-d to some recent distro(most-probably devuan) and run it on a tablet.21:56
freemangordonwell, most-probably I will partially reuse smoku's work on cordia21:57
freemangordoncould you recommend a tablet to use as a development device?21:58
KotCzarnyfmg: want high performing one or nicely supported?22:04
KotCzarnyallwinner a10/a20 tablets are dirt cheap and usually able to run mainline kernel/uboot22:05
freemangordonKotCzarny: I want one I can boot my "distro to be" without having to patch the kernel to just make it boot22:05
freemangordonis that ARM?22:06
KotCzarnyfmg: yup, a20 soc is dual core a722:06
KotCzarnyfor devel work regarding porting DE and apps its perfect22:06
freemangordonyep, looks like. and it seems avalable for under 80 euros here. thanks!22:07
KotCzarnythere are cheaper ones too22:07
KotCzarnyyou can look for some second hand ones (rebrands are plenty)22:08
freemangordonI don;t really care that much about the price. also, if it has good HW it can be used for other stuff than development.22:08
KotCzarnyvideo engine is still wip22:09
KotCzarny(for blobless mainline)22:09
KotCzarnybut if you dont care about video decoding/encoding it shouldnt matter22:09
KotCzarnygo to and search for mainline support regarding socs22:10
freemangordonwell, I guess CPU is fast enough to drive h-d, but still, even with missing HW accelleration, it still looks like the one I am looking for22:10
freemangordonalready there :)22:11
KotCzarnyalso, alternatively you can look for rockchip based ones22:11
freemangordonok, thanks a lot22:12
KotCzarnycpu might be fast enough, but bandwidth is limited22:12
KotCzarnyVE is required to play hd clips22:13
freemangordonshould not matter that much, my aim is to have bootable h-d based on modern distro22:13
KotCzarnyahm, h-d as hildon-desktop, not high def ;)22:13
freemangordonyeah, as hildon-desktop22:14
freemangordonthanks for the info22:14
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ds3I don't see the point of running multiple kernels22:22
ds3KotCzarny: it would seem to be easier to just run the Maemo environment.22:22
KotCzarnymaemo env is a dependency hell22:23
KotCzarnynokia patched it thoroughly22:23
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Wizzupfreemangordon: I am testing your image now, and it seems to also stop after some time22:48
Wizzupmy phones are not in R&D mode atm22:48
Wizzupso I'm pretty sure it's the watchdog kicking in22:49
WizzupI also tried parazyd's image and that has the same problems22:49
Wizzupso likely you guys build the same image, but watchdog is an issue22:49
WizzupI can put one in R&D mode in a bit and re-try it22:49
KotCzarnyand/or add watchdog kicker?22:49
Wizzupfreemangordon: works, in R&D mode22:53
parazydfreemangordon: got it booted now in R&D mode, with no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd,no-lifeguard-reset22:53
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