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| buZz | \o/ | 04:59 |
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| buZz | bought a N810 | 04:59 |
| buZz | to compliment my N770 and N800 :) | 04:59 |
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| sicelo | :) | 08:05 |
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| sunshavi | buZz: how much was it? | 08:32 |
| buZz | i paid 20 gbp + shipping | 08:34 |
| buZz | he was asking 60 gbp iirc | 08:34 |
| sunshavi | 60 gbp in dollars? | 08:35 |
| buZz | no in gbp :P | 08:35 |
| buZz | 74.62 US Dollar | 08:35 |
| sunshavi | nice price | 08:35 |
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| sunshavi | i have been using for several years my n800 | 08:36 |
| buZz | i didnt want to go over 50 so lowballed | 08:36 |
| sunshavi | last month i switched to n900 | 08:36 |
| buZz | yeah n800 was my first maemo device | 08:36 |
| buZz | but just .. last year? hmm | 08:36 |
| sunshavi | last month | 08:36 |
| buZz | yeah i mean, i didnt have maemos before a year ago | 08:37 |
| sunshavi | n800 was my always on machine | 08:37 |
| sunshavi | i used it for listening streams, fm radio, as a bluetooth access point | 08:37 |
| sunshavi | but after a month it needed a reboot | 08:38 |
| sunshavi | n810 has more mem, that is nice | 08:38 |
| buZz | and the keyboard | 08:38 |
| sunshavi | n800 is what i have been using for irc | 08:38 |
| sunshavi | now, all those functions are done by the n900 | 08:38 |
| sunshavi | yeah, keyboard is nice too | 08:39 |
| sunshavi | would n810 kbd be better than n900 kbd? | 08:40 |
| sunshavi | do you own an n900? | 08:40 |
| buZz | not yet | 08:40 |
| sunshavi | ok, then later You could tell which one is better :) | 08:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think N810 kbd is better | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh he left | 09:28 |
| CatButts | someday n900, someday... | 09:32 |
| CatButts | maybe when I get my first salary | 09:33 |
| Vajb | i liked e90 keyboard (i know it is not maemo device but meh) | 09:33 |
| Vajb | and only problem with n900 keyboard is disappearing signs (physical wear) | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 09:37 |
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| CatButts | that doesn't sound very nice | 09:38 |
| CatButts | oh, speaking of keyboards | 09:40 |
| CatButts | how does the n900 one ghost? | 09:40 |
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| CatButts | I had a chingchong usb keyboard that could do 3, maybe 4 keys at once | 09:40 |
| CatButts | now I have an old hp one which ghosts past 2 keys | 09:40 |
| Vajb | ghost? | 09:41 |
| CatButts | when you press more keys at once, only part of them are registered | 09:41 |
| Vajb | u mean when u type something signs don't appear instantly? | 09:41 |
| Vajb | ah | 09:41 |
| Vajb | well at least maemo has 3-key combinations | 09:41 |
| CatButts | I use PC keyboard as makeshift piano keys | 09:41 |
| CatButts | 3 should be enough | 09:42 |
| Vajb | i think i game across with that problem with ms wireless keyb while playing frets on fire | 09:42 |
| Vajb | err came across* | 09:43 |
| bencoh | pressing 3 keys at the same time on n900 isn't exactly ... comfortable | 09:43 |
| CatButts | haha yeah, forgot to factor in the size | 09:44 |
| Vajb | bencoh: but the question wasn't about that ;) | 09:44 |
| bencoh | sure | 09:45 |
| bencoh | as for ghosting there are a few combinations that won't work properly | 09:45 |
| Vajb | can admit that with ctrl+shift one needs to use something else than just thumbs.... | 09:46 |
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| KotCzarny | nokia 5510 kb was pretty nice to use | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | imo much better than n810/n900 | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | (hw kb wise) | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | better spacing, more thumb typing friendly, more keys | 10:08 |
| bencoh | hmm, dunno | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | and it actually had spacing between keys, do you wouldnt press 2 at the time by mistake | 10:09 |
| bencoh | it was nice alright | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | s/do you/so you/ | 10:09 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: and it actually had spacing between keys, so you wouldnt press 2 at the time by mistake | 10:09 |
| Vajb | 5510? Was it the device where the screen was inbetween rows of keys? | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | and had hw mp3 player | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | with 64mb of flash | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | (otherwise it was pretty standard 3310 | 10:15 |
| Vajb | right. Here they marketed it as "sms'er phone" | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | yup. and it delivered | 10:15 |
| bencoh | and fm radio .... 64MB was pretty low btw | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | typing on it was a prleasure | 10:15 |
| Vajb | never had one | 10:16 |
| bencoh | and sms were still pretty costly at that time, so .... | 10:16 |
| Vajb | so it was great marketing | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | i still have one in the closet | 10:16 |
| Vajb | it supported long sms too? | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | flash went buh-bye by itslef | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | i think yes | 10:16 |
| bencoh | yeah it did | 10:17 |
| Vajb | that was great invention then | 10:17 |
| Vajb | for mobile operators :) | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | Advanced SMS messaging: Chat, concatenated messages, templates, and smileys | 10:17 |
| bencoh | huhu | 10:17 |
| Vajb | i heard somewhere that 140 characters wasn't the original plan, but they decided it because they thought no one will use them anyway | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | vajb, adding unicode support mad it really suck | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | *made | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | so you had 70chars per message | 10:19 |
| Vajb | and now we are getting back to basics since everyone is using twitter which has 140 characters afaik | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | btw. sms is 160 chars | 10:20 |
| Vajb | nowadays it has been funny to read old game magazines where they advertize custom operator logos, ring tones and screensavers | 10:20 |
| Vajb | it is? | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 10:21 |
| bencoh | depends on encoding | 10:21 |
| Vajb | my memory is having some joke over me... | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | These were defined in 1985 as part of the Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) series of standards[5][full citation needed] as a means of sending messages of up to 160 characters to and from GSM mobile handsets | 10:21 |
| bencoh | (there are some 7bits tricks as well) | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Message_Service#Message_size | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | amazes me how voice connection is cheaper than sms | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | would be nice to implement some modem interface over voice channel (that would go through compression) | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | here sms costs ~40s of voice (on prepaid) | 10:31 |
| Vajb | i guess it's about the same everywhere | 10:31 |
| bencoh | Vajb: some countries/operators have really cheap unlimited sms plans | 10:33 |
| Vajb | i use mostly just data so i don't care much :) | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/SMS_messages_sent_monthly_in_USA_%28in_billions%29.svg | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:33 |
| Vajb | well true | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | one can hardly say it's obsolete tech ;) | 10:33 |
| Vajb | we have monthly packages of sms for fixed price | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | its a great way to send inormation when voice isnt feasible for any reason | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | similar to email but without need for having an account | 10:34 |
| Vajb | but it is somewhat disappearing or atleast sliding off from standards... | 10:35 |
| Vajb | like n900 can't receive sms from samsung galaxy s6 | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | thats because people like those idiotleys | 10:36 |
| Vajb | aha | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | in my days we had colon and parentheses. and it was good! | 10:37 |
| * KotCzarny grumbles | 10:37 | |
| Vajb | in my days we didn't have phones. Instead we went to visit. | 10:38 |
| Vajb | i bought my first phone when i turn 18 | 10:39 |
| Vajb | now idiotic parents buy phone for their 3 yo infant | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | sing of days | 10:39 |
| Vajb | hmm maybe fetus phone will be next big step | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | sperm phone? | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:40 |
| Vajb | it even rhymes | 10:40 |
| Vajb | hmm why not. We have sperm banks already | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | but dont worry, our civilisation is on the brink of another dark age | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | so enjoy while you can | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | we had pretty good 50 or so years of bright developments | 10:42 |
| Vajb | up and downs | 10:42 |
| Vajb | irony of life | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | nope, just balance of things | 10:45 |
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| ceene | sms are expensive because they made them so | 11:08 |
| ceene | but sending an sms is essentialy free for the network | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | initially (in protocol specs) they been meant to be free ;-P | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | knowing people, having sms service free they would hack ghetto-internet protocol over it :P | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | well, more ghett-bbs | 11:18 |
| ceene | i don't now why, but sms do have a feeling different than IM | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | because you have to pay for it maybe? | 11:20 |
| ceene | it's like sending/receiving a telegram: it must be important | 11:20 |
| ceene | don't know, i remember one summer movistar made them free as a promotion, for a while | 11:21 |
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| ceene | i don't think i've sent as many whatsapps as sms i sent that summer :D | 11:21 |
| bencoh | (you cant send whatsapps anymore anyway :p) | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | another thing is people tend to have phones nearby, and getting sms is almost always heard | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | in case of computer based im its not always the case | 11:23 |
| ceene | bip bip bip biiiiip biiiiiip bip bip bip | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | morse code for sms | 11:25 |
| ceene | yeah :D | 11:25 |
| ceene | nokia was the best thing to happen to mainstream technology | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | sad thing they are no more | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | samsung just makes commercial toys | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | almost no innovation | 11:27 |
| ceene | innovation is not easy, though | 11:35 |
| ceene | i want to set up a business, but all i can think of is selling muffins or a restaurant :D | 11:36 |
| ceene | i can't think of any useful technological thingy | 11:36 |
| ceene | lol | 11:36 |
| Vajb | ceene: maybe fetus phone? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, kickstart marvel soc based router/nas/ip cam board? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | iot is on the rise nowadays | 11:40 |
| bencoh | ceene: muffins <3 | 11:40 |
| ceene | :D | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | if you manage to pack 2x sata, 1x minipcie, 2xgbit, at least dual core cpu, 1gb ram onto board for less than 20usd you will be a winner | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:41 |
| ceene | don't know, yeah, maybe any kickstarter would reach critical mass | 11:41 |
| bencoh | potato salad | 11:41 |
| bencoh | (it really looked good) | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | espressobin board is very tempting, but they made shipping price crazy | 11:41 |
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| KotCzarny | hey, c wizards, what is the difference between *c[] and **c ? | 12:28 |
| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: in a declaration, one is the designator for an array of pointers, the other a designator for a pointer to a pointer. | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, and in use? | 12:57 |
| Maxdamantus | well, "declarator" is the proper term iirc | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | im asking specifically because of getline() | 12:57 |
| Maxdamantus | one's an array, the other's a pointer. | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | it requires **p as an arg | 12:57 |
| hexnewbie | In use, one's invalid syntax (I think), the other dereferences a pointer twice. | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | (but it really needs an address of the first char) | 12:57 |
| Maxdamantus | They're both valid declarators, just not actual expressions. | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | or may i ask another way, how to pass *c[] to getline() | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | for **c its just getline(&c, ...) | 12:59 |
| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: you probably don't want to. | 12:59 |
| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: if you pass `c` to getline, it will read and update `*c`. | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | wait, i've asked wrong. how to pass c[] to getline(), for *c=malloc() its just getline(&c, ..) | 13:00 |
| ceene | you don't want to pass *c[] to getline | 13:00 |
| ceene | getline requires a pointer to a pointer | 13:00 |
| ceene | because inside getline there's already a malloc() | 13:00 |
| Maxdamantus | if you have a `char c[x];`, you should probably create a pointer into `c` then pass the pointer to that. | 13:01 |
| hexnewbie | KotCzarny: You cannot. getline will allocate new memory, and give you back a pointer. | 13:01 |
| Maxdamantus | char *p = c; getline(&p, ..) | 13:01 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm. but in getline manual it says you can pass already allocated buffer | 13:01 |
| hexnewbie | KotCzarny: OK, I'm wrong. Yeah. Sorry. | 13:01 |
| Maxdamantus | It is already allocated in this case. | 13:01 |
| ceene | you can char *c=malloc() and then call getline(&c...) | 13:02 |
| Maxdamantus | *p is already pointing into an array; it's not NULL. | 13:02 |
| ceene | but &c in that case is a pointer to a *c, thus **c | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | i know, i've done it. but i wonder how to write it using c[] | 13:02 |
| hexnewbie | KotCzarny: I'd still prefer if getline() to allocate it for me, though. | 13:02 |
| Maxdamantus | What are you expecting `getline` to **UPDATE** if you just give it a `char [x]`? | 13:03 |
| ceene | you could char c[]="whatever" and call getline(&c... but that will end up causing an error | 13:03 |
| ceene | because getline can't make c point to any other thing than "whatever", because it's not a pointer | 13:03 |
| Maxdamantus | ceene: you can't even call that. | 13:03 |
| Maxdamantus | ceene: &c is a pointer to an array, not a pointer to a pointer. | 13:03 |
| hexnewbie | KotCzarny: I read the man page. You *cannot* pass an array there, as it may try to run realloc() the pointer you passed. This means it has to be malloc()ed, and not an array allocated on the stack | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 13:03 |
| Maxdamantus | hexnewbie: that's wrong. | 13:04 |
| hexnewbie | Maxdamantus: Which part? :) | 13:04 |
| Maxdamantus | hexnewbie: it caring how the memory is allocated. | 13:04 |
| hexnewbie | Maxdamantus: Alternatively, before calling getline(), *lineptr can contain a pointer to a malloc(3)-allocated buffer *n bytes in size. If the buffer is not large enough to hold the line, getline() resizes it with realloc(3), updating *lineptr and *n as necessary.“” | 13:05 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah, okay, nvm. | 13:05 |
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| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: maybe what you want is `fgets` | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | ahm right. i forgot about it | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | thx! | 13:08 |
| ceene | so, a kickstarter for muffins... | 13:19 |
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| KotCzarny | i should've started writing in gtk available for maemo. | 15:59 |
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| bencoh | indeed | 15:59 |
| KotCzarny | GSocketConnection is available since 2.32. eh | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | 2.14 seems.. antique | 16:02 |
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| KotCzarny | furts? | 17:33 |
| _maniac_ | purrs and farts (probably) | 17:41 |
| CatButts | no, just farts | 17:43 |
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| ceene | i'm bored | 17:52 |
| ceene | maybe i'm boring, too | 17:52 |
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| KotCzarny | wth | 17:53 |
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| sicelo | meh .. so i had been making life hard for myself on N900 .. not getting the benefits of the avahi daemon that we have always running | 21:11 |
| sicelo | got to adjust my iptables rules | 21:11 |
| ceene | what do you use it for? | 21:48 |
| ceene | i've never quite guessed what it does | 21:49 |
| sicelo | like Bonjour on Apple devices | 21:49 |
| ceene | don't know what that is either | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | making life easier for users, and harder for devs/distro maintainers | 21:50 |
| ceene | something about selfdiscovering something? | 21:50 |
| sicelo | it allows you to connect to your device via hostname from any network that you are connected to, without having to first discover/know the IP address | 21:50 |
| sicelo | yes, that | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | part of the dbus/nm/systemd cabal | 21:50 |
| sicelo | like PA, it's on our N900, and we can't run from it .. so may as well use it :-) | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:51 |
| sicelo | i am not planning to install it on my laptop for example | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | offtopic, oscp-remote-gtk works on n900. yay. and the same code compiles/works on pc linux/windoze(mingw) | 21:52 |
| ceene | cool! | 21:52 |
| sicelo | didn't it work on N900 before? | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | its funny how different versions of gtk trigger different kind of bugs | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, i've ported pygtk to native gtk | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | 18M -> ~9M of ram usage | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | fewer dependencies too | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | also, writing app in gtk is easy once one make few defins/helper funcs | 21:54 |
| ceene | how hard is gtk gui design? | 21:54 |
| sicelo | awesome (the halving of RAM use) | 21:54 |
| ceene | i just don't know how to design guis :( | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, depends, if you know 'this button i want on this side, that list on that side' its easy | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, see setup_window() in the source | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you have to prepare widgets (buttons, labels, windows), then pack them inside other widgets and show | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | adding few callbacks and its done | 21:56 |
| ceene | all that signal connecting, though... | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | nah, its easy, you use one or two templates max | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | i would've probably put those signal connects into helper function if i digged out how to pass functions to functions | 21:57 |
| ceene | pointers to functions :) | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | gtk syntax if descriptive as 70yo man | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | *is | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | oscp-remote-gtk is quite complete (i still have to add dbus to the mix, /me shrugs) | 21:58 |
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