IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2016-09-29

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OksanaaHooray! I had an issue of ogv files with theora/vorbis being not playable ( video codec not supported ) while having decoders-support installed, which depends on ogg-support ( also installed ). Strangely enough, ogg-support did _not_ pull in gstreamer0.10-theora. After installing it manually, and reinstalling ogg-support and decoders-support, ogv files with theora/vorbis codecs are playable. /me has therefore removed from filesystem we00:35
Oksanaabm " originals " of the video, as stuttering annoyingly /00:35
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OksanaHmm, mentions 800x480 and 848x480. Should check resolution of start-up Nokia's " hands video " though... Yes, Nokia's start-up video is 800x48002:31
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luke-jrOksana: how is that relevant?04:04
luke-jrthe 848x480 dimension is speaking of the camera..04:04
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Oksanaa848x480 about camera is not exactly relevant, true, but I am not sure where to find native resolution of N900. Resolution of Nokia's welcome video is probably relevant, and it seems to be 800x48006:00
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bencohOksana: there is no hw decoding support for those video formats anyway, so dont expect it to play properly08:57
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KotCzarnybencoh: depends on decoder cpu requirements10:34
bencohKotCzarny: do you seriously think you can live decode 480p theora on omap3@600MHz?10:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: NOTIFY_SOCKET=/run/systemd/notify systemd-notify ""10:36
keriopid 1 stuck in a pause system call10:36
kerioas a user10:36
bencohkerio: yay10:36
KotCzarnynever tried, and tbh, im not using n900 as a video player anyway10:36
DocScrutinizer05indeed, no? :-D10:37
KotCzarnycode quality ftw10:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: apparently some folks need to try multiple times for that to break the system10:39
kerioyay for race conditions in pid 110:39
KotCzarnysystemd is an inside job!10:39
DocScrutinizer05particularly GREAT: you can't even shut down the system anymore10:40
kerioyeah yeah pid 1 gets stuck10:40
keriono changing runlevels or whatever systemd calls them10:40
keriohell, no reaping child processes10:40
kerioevery reparented process gets stuck in a zombie state once it closes10:41
DocScrutinizer05the conclusions in that blog are however the more relevant part in that10:41
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kerioidk if i necessarily like the `for (;;) wait()` pid 110:41
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KotCzarnyhow come this trash piece of shit got into stable releases10:42
kerioDocScrutinizer05: that init won't help you shut down the system for instance10:42
KotCzarnynamed stable, not being such ;)10:42
DocScrutinizer05>>Systemd's problems run far deeper than this one bug. Systemd is defective by design<<10:43
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DocScrutinizer05>>... The systemd developers understand none of this, opting to cram an enormous amount of unnecessary complexity into PID 1<<10:43
KotCzarny"Talking to systemd from a Web Browser."10:44
DocScrutinizer05>>In particular, any code that accepts messages from untrustworthy sources like systemd-notify should run in a dedicated process as an unprivileged user.<<10:45
DocScrutinizer05>>This is called privilege separation and has been a best practice in security-aware software for over a decade. Systemd, by contrast, does text parsing on messages from untrusted sources, in C, running as root in PID 1.<<10:46
ceeneon the other hand10:46
ceeneis assert something recommended to be left on production?10:46
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ceeneIf  the  macro NDEBUG was defined at the moment <assert.h> was last included, the macro assert() generates no code10:46
ceeneThe  purpose  of  this  macro  is  to help programmers find bugs in their programs.  The message "assertion failed in file foo.c, function do_bar(), line 1287" is of no help at all to a user.10:47
DocScrutinizer05yes, of course every bug can get fixed. Except the bugs in foundation design10:47
KotCzarnyits a pity that such mole got introduced on leading distros10:47
ceeneno, I mean, is it considered a good thing to leave assert() on production code?10:47
ceenespecially on pid 1...10:47
DocScrutinizer05definitely no10:47
DocScrutinizer05what do you do on an assert(), quit pid1? ;-P10:48
ceenethat's what I meant10:48
ceenethe whole codebase is filled with those10:48
ceeneso any other case of failing an assert10:48
ceenewill make the same thing happen10:48
DocScrutinizer05yep, poetterisms10:48
ceeneso, it's a matter of spending a couple hours looking at all those assert10:49
ceeneand thinking of possible ways of causing them10:49
ceenei'm sure there are more like that10:49
ceeneso forgetting to change the umask (which has already happened twice) creates a file that works but is a potential security vulnerability.10:52
ceenethat blog post is a gold mine10:52
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KotCzarnyim sad that trash is promoted, eh10:58
KotCzarnylinux was doing great while it was sticking to 'do one thing, but do it perfect'10:58
DocScrutinizer05yes, it is10:59
DocScrutinizer05radioactive gold10:59
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zGrrwhat blog post?11:48
KotCzarnythis one11:49
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zGrryeah. good post11:57
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antranigvhi all! guys, any way to connect to Hangouts with maemo?12:02
antranigvI like xmpp, the pidgin client and the integrated client12:02
antranigvbut a friend of mine needs hangouts to chat with me12:02
ceenethe integrated client is apt for one 2 one hangouts conversations12:03
ceeneit can't do groups, though12:03
antranigvit's ok, no need for groups12:04
antranigvwhat's `apt` ? o.O12:05
ceeneadjective: apt; comparative adjective: apter; superlative adjective: aptest12:05
ceene    1.12:05
ceene    appropriate or suitable in the circumstances.12:05
ceenefrom latin, aptus12:05
ceenein spanish, apto12:05
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luke-jrantranigv: Google is evil and uses non-standard protocols for Hangouts, so probably not.12:20
antranigvluke-jr: it did work with the default client, but not good, yes google sux, I hate that people uses 'em12:22
bencohactually ....12:22
bencohthere is a libpurple plugin for hangout12:22
bencohit needs a more recent glib-json though12:23
luke-jrantranigv: well, Google said a few years ago they were dropping support for XMPP12:23
bencohwhich it turn needs a more recent glib, which conflicts with the ABI of maemo glib12:24
KotCzarnystatic compile?12:24
KotCzarnysometimes you just want something to work12:24
bencohstatic build of glib is .... *meh*12:24
bencohKotCzarny: it prolly wouldn't work anyway12:25
KotCzarnyfmg was fiddling with newer glib though12:25
bencohsince pidgin is using system glib12:25
bencohKotCzarny: not new enough12:25
bencohand plugin would embed its own symbols12:25
KotCzarnystatic compile for whole pidgin then? ;)12:25
bencohI suspect it'd fail at load ... unless you play with symbol scope12:26
bencohI seriously wouldn't want to do that with glib12:26
KotCzarnyglib isnt that big12:26
KotCzarnygtk otoh..12:26
KotCzarnyand the rest of gnome libs12:26
bencohgo ahead, enjoy :)12:27
bencohoh and ... it should build in extras as well ;)12:27
KotCzarnyim porting to .c, so im busy atm ;)12:27
bencohit'd have to, I mean.12:27
bencohoh, that's actually good news12:27
KotCzarnymost functions are 1:1, but some are handled better in python (better == less details to care for)12:28
infobotKotCzarny meant: most functions are 1:1, but some are handled better in python (better == fewer details to care for)12:28
bencohwhich basically means "I'll do stuff behind your back and it might change in the futur without further notice"12:29
KotCzarnywell, those detailed things could change in futer versions too12:30
DocScrutinizer05ceene: or simply:13:15
DocScrutinizer05~dict apt13:15
infobotDictionary 'apt' (4 of 12): at risk of or subject to experiencing something usually unpleasant; "he is apt to lose"; "she is liable to forget"  ;; Advanced Package Tool (Linux, Debian) ;; Automatically Programmed Tools ;; Advanced Photoscale Technology (Brother).13:15
DocScrutinizer05~dict 1 apt13:15
infobot[1/12] \Apt\, v. t. [L. aptare. See {Aptate}.] To fit; to suit; to adapt. [Obs.] " To apt their places." --B. Jonson. [1913 Webster] That our speech be apted to edification. --Jer. Taylor. [1913 Webster]13:15
DocScrutinizer05~dict apt 113:15
infobotcould not find definition for apt 113:15
DocScrutinizer05~dict 2 apt13:16
infobot[2/12] \Apt\ ([a^]pt), a. [F. apte, L. aptus, fr. obsolete apere to fasten, to join, to fit, akin to apisci to reach, attain: cf. Gr. ? to fasten, Skr. [=a]pta fit, fr. [=a]p to reach attain.] 1. Fit or fitted; suited; suitable; appropriate. [1913 Webster] They have always apt instruments.     --Burke. [1913 Webster] A river . . . apt to be forded by a lamb. --Jer. Taylor. [1913 Webster] 2. Having an habitual tendency; habitually liable or likely; -- ...13:16
DocScrutinizer05~dict 3 apt13:16
infobot[3/12] (usually followed by `to') naturally disposed toward; "he is apt to ignore matters he considers unimportant"; "I am not minded to answer any questions"13:16
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DocScrutinizer05~dict 4 apt13:24
infobot[4/12] at risk of or subject to experiencing something usually unpleasant; "he is apt to lose"; "she is liable to forget"13:24
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OksanaaOsso-mahjong might have a problem with graphics. I currently see only black background with white clock ticking and white " back " arrow in top right corner. No tiles, no background, no undo and redo buttons23:31
siceloyour memory/swap usage?23:38
Maxdamantus Mm .. "HWRecoveryResetSGX: Hardware Recovery triggered"23:39
* Maxdamantus wonders if he needs a new SD card (used as swap)23:40
OksanaaHow do I check it? And it's not like I have many windows open. 2 terminals, one webpage, and this channel23:40
OksanaaAnd start-up was less than half an hour ago, after changing a battery, so " restart " would not necessarily be helpful.23:41
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siceloMaxdamantus: that is annoying .. i've had it couple of times too .. doesn't seem to be swap, but something with the driver maybe?23:42
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MaxdamantusDunno. I'll probably experiment later, since I'm at work atm23:54
Maxdamantusbut the device seemed to freeze at some point other than the music playing through mpd, and after rebooting it continued to be laggy and have visual artifacts and produce that message.23:55
Maxdamantusafter changing fstab to use a swap file on the eMMC and rebooting again, everything seems to be fine.23:56
MaxdamantusI've had a couple of SD cards stop working properly previously though.23:57
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