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| ShadowJK | Firefox is the only browser these days that don't use process/thread per tab, though firefox is going to change that soon | 05:29 |
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| KotCzarny | ShadowJK: in allwinner socs, openrisc core is independent one that presumably was meant to control cpu/temp/sleep&wake functions etc | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | its a nice idea, but requires someone to actually implement it | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | powering down every clock and just leaving essentials needed to wakeup is very good idea for portable/mobile uses | 07:43 |
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| fishbulb | how can I try to find out why I'm recievng mms but can't send them? | 08:47 |
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| fishbulb | it's fmms 1.3.5 | 08:48 |
| fishbulb | and the settings are right, I can send one to myself | 08:49 |
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| Oksana | One question: Nokia's default maps on Maemo 5 do not seem to know any streets, try to download data but get none. Where does it seek the data, and where is said data available if at all? Nokia's map-providing server-service for N900 is either down or moved to Microsoft, maybe? | 09:39 |
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| KotCzarny | online | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | i mean afair, it didnt have any search functions and relied on online feedback | 09:50 |
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| Vajb | yes. You can't make offline searches in nokia maps | 09:58 |
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| fishbulb | how do I try to diagnose why my phone isn't sending mms | 11:15 |
| fishbulb | I can send one to myself, but nobody else | 11:15 |
| fishbulb | the settings are right. the version is 1.3.5 | 11:15 |
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| Al3x_10m | >mms | 13:02 |
| Al3x_10m | >2016 | 13:03 |
| Al3x_10m | o____O | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | alex: not everyone is on some shitbook to see shared pics, sometimes you just want to send photo to family etc | 13:03 |
| kerio | my family wouldn't know what the fuck to do with a mms | 13:04 |
| Al3x_10m | mms is dead | 13:04 |
| kerio | "yes let's do email in a way that makes customers pay us top money and has severe compatibility issues" | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, most phones come configured with mms readily, so one wouldnt have to do anything other than receiving message, and thats the whole point | 13:07 |
| luke-jr | email is for text, not photos | 13:08 |
| Al3x_10m | mms should die in a fire :P | 13:09 |
| Al3x_10m | mms and all it's limits | 13:09 |
| Al3x_10m | internet is cheaper anyways | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | again, not everyone is a geek, and unless there is a standard to send/receive pics in a quick and easy way, its better (with all its quirks and limitations) | 13:10 |
| Al3x_10m | :/ | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | and mind you, if you wanted new way to share images peer2peer it cant get any easier (because its implemented in almost any phone since years) | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | to the point that my home network sends me http links so i dont have to use gsm bandwidth (assuming wifi is available) | 13:13 |
| Al3x_10m | sure..my grandma knows what's a link xD | 13:13 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 13:16 |
| bencoh | /59/59 | 13:19 |
| bencoh | woops | 13:19 |
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| fishbulb | yeah | 13:53 |
| fishbulb | like | 13:53 |
| fishbulb | girls | 13:53 |
| fishbulb | family | 13:53 |
| fishbulb | every single person who has a phone, and isn't at a computer all day | 13:53 |
| fishbulb | sending mms is PRETTY common | 13:53 |
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| zGrr | moin | 14:15 |
| sicelo | Oksana: just do a search .. afaik the map data is still available .. some sites link to the actual zip files. | 14:24 |
| sicelo | or, if you have access to windows computer, use Ovi suite ... always works | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, does it contain street addresses ? | 14:31 |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: there is a "standard" for transfer of picture now, :p | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | or allows searching? | 14:31 |
| sicelo | 14:32 | |
| KotCzarny | WA isnt popular here | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | never heard about it | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | also, standard which isnt open is.. you know :P | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | not a standard ;) | 14:32 |
| sicelo | street addresses .. yes .. the zoom detail is good enough. as Vajb said, we never had offline search. only have offline routing | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | how do you know routing if you dont know where the destination is? | 14:34 |
| bencoh | sicelo: a non-standard :) | 14:34 |
| sicelo | :P | 14:34 |
| sicelo | taht is ... routes between two points you select | 14:35 |
| bencoh | which means they have a routing info database but no POI / names | 14:35 |
| sicelo | we have POI too | 14:37 |
| sicelo | some who poked in it found that we were going to have search as well .. but probably time constraints caught us | 14:37 |
| bencoh | hm? | 14:37 |
| bencoh | too slow? | 14:37 |
| bencoh | ah, you mean it never was implemented | 14:38 |
| sicelo | the latter, yes. even voice guidance .. but some bits were actually there | 14:39 |
| bencoh | I dont really understand why would anyone want to stick with this thin | 14:39 |
| bencoh | thing*. outdated data, unfinished application, closed-source | 14:40 |
| sicelo | btw, i use nokia Maps exclusively .. in my part of the world N900 maps are more accurate than googlems, even today | 14:40 |
| bencoh | we already have modrana/marble ... | 14:40 |
| sicelo | has difficult learning curve :( | 14:41 |
| sicelo | there's OM Voice server for Nomkia Maps ... implements the voice navigation, and some crude search mechanism .. | 14:42 |
| sicelo | not search in the true sense, but more like favorites | 14:43 |
| bencoh | sicelo: seriously? :/ | 14:44 |
| sicelo | huh? | 14:44 |
| bencoh | learning curve | 14:45 |
| sicelo | yes. it is difficult for someone who only uses maps once in a while and who absolutely needs offline map data | 14:46 |
| sicelo | therems something about zoom levels, having to browse the areas beforehand, etc. | 14:46 |
| bencoh | I dont really see how it is difficult, but ... fine | 14:47 |
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| KotCzarny | bencoh, write a wiki guide? and use sicelo as a 'regular user/tester' ? ;) | 14:47 |
| sicelo | imm not saying it's bad ... just doesn't seem to be that easy for me ... anyway, the bigger issue is - accuracy. modrana/marble aren't solving that, and it is not their fault | 14:47 |
| sicelo | OSM obviously doesn't hav a lot of data because they depend on community, google seems only interested in the mbig' cities | 14:49 |
| bencoh | sicelo: openstreetmap data might use an update as well I suppose | 14:49 |
| sicelo | yes, | 14:50 |
| sicelo | NM has its place. :f) | 14:51 |
| sicelo | do we still have a way on N900 to contirbute to OSM? | 14:52 |
| sicelo | (i'll test modrana again sometime soon) | 14:53 |
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| bencoh | dunno if it still works | 14:54 |
| sicelo | (my typing is so bad today .. Fn keys tricky on xterm/N900) | 14:54 |
| sicelo | bencoh: modrana or osm client? | 14:54 |
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| sicelo | i think modrana should work .. seems still maintained | 14:55 |
| bencoh | sicelo: osm client | 14:55 |
| bencoh | modrana and marble both work fine, and yeah, modrana is still maintained | 14:55 |
| sicelo | okay | 14:57 |
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| martinux | Hello all. | 16:37 |
| martinux | I was wondering if it was possible to display non-standard emoticons in n900 SMS client? I've applied the patch that stops them from dissappearing into the ether but I'm just seeing the little rectangles. | 16:40 |
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| bencoh | martinux: are you talking about the emoji fix? | 17:17 |
| bencoh | iirc there is a font as well (not too sure about it though, haven't played with that for a while) | 17:17 |
| martinux | I believe so. The fix works - in that messages no longer dissappear but I'm not seeing the emoji despite installing the deb. | 17:18 |
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| bencoh | tbh I'm not absolutely certain I see those, but I somehow think I do (I kinda remember seeing a strange one that I wasn't used to) | 17:21 |
| bencoh | martinux: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502603&postcount=35 | 17:25 |
| martinux | Thanks, I'll have a read. :) | 17:25 |
| bencoh | hm, http://thp.io/2014/emojifix/ disappeared | 17:33 |
| bencoh | I wonder why .... | 17:33 |
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| martinux | Great success! Found a working link to the emoticons. | 18:03 |
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| martinux | Also, greater success! They are now showing up in the SMS messages I've recieved. | 18:03 |
| martinux | Many thanks, bencoh. | 18:03 |
| bencoh | yw | 18:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | thp has updated his website by the looks of it, I imagine there's a github link somewhere | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | thp? | 19:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | thomas perl | 19:28 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: github repository is still around yeah | 19:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://github.com/harmattan/emojifix | 19:32 |
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| vectis3 | Not maemo related, but can anyone tell me if a wifi router (not modem/router) designed for cable/fibre, will work with adsl? | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | vectis3: any router will work if your modem has ethernet/wifi | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | unless specifically locked (but those are rare) | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | i assume you already have modem provided and just want to add more device in internal network | 21:14 |
| vectis3 | I have an adsl modem with a seperate switch. I have bought a Linksys e900 that was simply advertised as a 'wifi router' but the packaging says its for cable/fibre modems. I can't get it to work with my modem :( | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | i think you will have to configure it properly | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | most likely it tries to route everything through wan instead of showing your modem as a route | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | but its up to you to configure your network properly | 21:20 |
| vectis3 | hmm, just to add to the problem, the first thing I did was to install dd-wrt firmware. | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | and you connect it to your modem via ethernet cable? | 21:22 |
| vectis3 | yes | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | then: 1/ disable dhcp on your router, 2/ dont connect anything to wan port on router (all goes into switch/wifi) | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | OR: | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | leave defaults and: modem -- route(wan) -- your network devices | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | s/route/router/ | 21:24 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: leave defaults and: modem -- router(wan) -- your network devices | 21:24 |
| vectis3 | ok, I'll try some more. Thanks for advice. | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | you just have to plan it out | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | and decide what config you want | 21:25 |
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| xes | vectis3: maybe you could try a Tplink W8970 v1 or Bt Home Hub 5a + LEDE | 23:41 |
| _maniac_ | just curious, is LEDE better enough to try it? | 23:47 |
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