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sixwheeledbeastI don't know why you would want to do that but send it to your own number?00:43
fishbulbI was testing it00:46
fishbulbI don't know why it's not sending out to other numbers00:46
fishbulbit's exacly what I don't want. I want the opposite of that. where the other numbers get the mms00:46
fishbulbI can receive them fine00:47
fishbulbwhatsapp going was a huge loss to this phone :(00:47
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sixwheeledbeastI don't care for any of that whatsapp rubbish, I have no issues with my MMS AFAIK01:01
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sixwheeledbeastIf you have the correct settings from your provider it should work, I have mine on Havoc mode.01:03
xesDocScrutinizer05: sixwheeledbeast: about qnotted..01:03
xesinfo: Generating install file for qnotted_0.0.3_armel.deb to /var/repository/staging/extras/dists/fremantle/install01:03
xeswarning: The package qnotted_0.0.3_armel.changes has no internal maintainer01:03
xeswarning: No mails provided to send a notification01:04
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sixwheeledbeastare you using international code with your numbers01:04
fishbulbI have mine in havoc mode01:06
fishbulbother poeple don't get the mms01:06
fishbulbI select the number from my contacts, then I try to send it01:07
fishbulbwhy would I use international code01:08
sixwheeledbeastIt's odd how there's no dependencies listed on the package page, maybe the builder what fubar when originally uploaded?01:10
sixwheeledbeastinternational code can be important01:11
KotCzarnyxes, maybe that log should be public?01:19
KotCzarnywould allow devs to debug such problems themselves01:20
xesKotCzarny: most of these logs are not ready for plain public access01:25
xesanyway this ^^ message is just a warning and maybe is not the root cause of the problem01:27
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: please fix the issues xes noted, on qnotted. Then bump the revision and upload to extras-devel. I'll promote to testing enad extras01:58
fishbulbhas anyone personally tried connecting an android device to bluetooth PAN on the n90001:58
fishbulbwhich device and version of android?01:59
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fishbulbDocScrutinizer05, was that a yes to "yes I have tried connecting an android device" or "yes and it also worked"02:12
fishbulbso that's a no to both then.02:17
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ds3long time ago02:36
fishbulbdid it work though02:37
xessixwheeledbeast: there are no dependencies because: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}
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juicemeOK, who messed up with the maemo community mailing list moderation buffer!09:37
juicemeHands up ya guilty ones!09:37
juicemeThe list spew out old automailer messages for all the peol09:38
juicemeple like no end...09:38
luke-jrno kidding -.-09:39
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DocScrutinizer05BTC mining for BTC dummies anybody to help me out?18:52
buZzDocScrutinizer05: i mean18:57
buZzwhat do you wanna know18:57
buZzits quite a wide subject :P18:57
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buZzbut i know all, AMA18:57
DocScrutinizer05yeah. I got an Avalon3 Nano here and try to make sense of it. TOTAL BTX noob18:58
* buZz snugs up to DocScrutinizer05 18:58
DocScrutinizer05never used BTC18:58
buZzto be fair, thats pretty much a waste of time18:58
CatButtsand electricity18:59
buZz6 months after a ASIC gets released, its practically worthless :P18:59
buZzit can be used, sure18:59
buZzits the fastest devaluating electronics in the world18:59
buZzDocScrutinizer05: this seems kinda verbose;
buZzyou want cgminer or bfgminer, grab a upstream version, enable right configure flags for avalon (i guess --enable-avalon , not sure) and run it19:00
DocScrutinizer05I try to use that, and get a "page not available" on - I gather I'd need an account first19:00
buZzi mine on
buZzjust make a bitcoin address in your wallet, it is now your username19:00
buZzpassword can be 'x'19:00
buZzhost stratum+tcp://
DocScrutinizer05sorry, >>just make a bitcoin address in your wallet, it is now your username<< is already above my head19:01
buZzok, do you have a wallet ? :D19:01
bencohuseful during winter or if you get power for free, but...19:01
buZzbencoh: i have flatfee power ;) mining is about 40% of my monthly income19:01
buZzits been gud19:01
bencohoh, flatfee is nice in that case :)19:02
buZzi can pay rent + food just from btc19:04
buZzall my wages are just disposable income now19:04
DocScrutinizer05to start with, gives me a /dev/tty1 (and tty10?) but no ttyACMx19:04
buZzi think thats fine DocScrutinizer0519:05
DocScrutinizer05bfgminer        -S ICA:/dev/tty1        -o stratum+tcp:// -O mikeqin.avalon:1234        --set-device ICA:baud=115200        --set-device ICA:reopen=timeout        --set-device ICA:work_division=1        --set-device ICA:fpga_count=1        --set-device ICA:probe_timeout=100        --set-device ICA:timing=0.22        --api-listen19:05
buZznot all of em are serial devices it seems , this is a USB HID interface, wont give you a /dev/ttysumting19:05
buZzmodprobe usbserial ? :D19:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure -O mikeqin.avalon:1234 won't fly19:06
DocScrutinizer05saturn:/sys/bus/usb-serial/devices/ttyUSB0 # lsmod|grep usbserial19:07
DocScrutinizer05usbserial              44819  1 pl230319:07
DocScrutinizer05this is a USB->tty adapter cable for my UPS19:07
buZzDocScrutinizer05: this ;
buZzyou have version 2.0 which is HID19:08
buZzwaw , chrome based miner :D19:08
DocScrutinizer05so...? wheres TFM?19:09
buZzwhats TFM19:09
DocScrutinizer05aah you already provided the link, eh?19:09
buZzseems to only work in cgminer19:09
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* now I wasted an hour to get that other dang miner19:10
DocScrutinizer05>> Software installation Installation was successful<<
buZzooo magic19:16
buZzDocScrutinizer05: and luke-jr is one of devs of bfgminer aswell :P19:16
buZzhe -isnt- of cgminer19:16
DocScrutinizer05cgminer has same truckload of parameters, just all different ones :-/19:16
buZzanyway, you totally need a bitcoin wallet now19:17
fishbulbhas anyone got PAN to work19:17
buZzmake one, post me address, i'll send ya a euro19:17
DocScrutinizer05I first need to talk to that USB dongle19:17
buZzk k19:17
buZzkeep at it then19:17
buZzi've just given you economic incentive though ;)19:17
DocScrutinizer05want to see it work, then maybe wallet19:17
DocScrutinizer05how would I make a wallet?19:18
buZzthere's about 2983749283 ways :P19:19
DocScrutinizer05that's the problem19:19
buZzthe 'most normal default' includes running a node19:19
buZzwhich requires you to sync full blockchain (about 82GB now iirc)19:19
buZzbut, there are others19:19
DocScrutinizer0582GB download sounds like a PITA19:20
buZzyeah if only it was a -single- 82GB download19:20
DocScrutinizer05prolly even on my server with the Gb backbone19:20
buZzthat would be sorta ok-able19:20
buZzits all in 1MB parts, from all different sources19:20
buZzseeing you wanna avoid that19:21
buZzgrab this tool ;
buZzonce you start it, thats it, you have a wallet19:21
buZzit generates your first address, and you can generate infinite (well 2^256, still a lot) more addresses19:21
buZzit does need to sync a bit, but its like 100MB total i think19:22
buZzor maybe less..19:22
DocScrutinizer05ok, will try it19:23
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buZzDocScrutinizer05: all the luck?19:33
DocScrutinizer05takes a while to create a new user for it19:34
DocScrutinizer05((<buZz> make one, post me address)) how?19:48
DocScrutinizer0515z94ExNwDumtQgY9BWmudC4dwULfGHYDM  (this is one of your addresses) <-this one?19:50
DocScrutinizer05buZz: ^^^^19:51
DocScrutinizer05wow, I have a wallet now and dunno what to do with it ;-P19:54
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* DocScrutinizer05 feels likeǃxau_ǂToma19:57
DocScrutinizer05>>... unaware of the value of paper money, allowing (according to legend) his first earnings for The Gods Must Be Crazy to literally blow away in the wind<<19:59
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: receive buttcoins20:05
kerioconvert buttcoins into fiat20:05
DocScrutinizer05I don't know anybody to receive btc from20:06
DocScrutinizer05heck I wouldn't even know how20:07
keriogive people your address20:08
kerioand a reason to send you money20:08
DocScrutinizer05how do I know my address?20:08
kerioyou generate one in the wallet i think20:09
kerioi dunno20:09
kerioit's confusing20:09
DocScrutinizer05I think above might be "one of [my] addresses"20:09
kerioso there you go20:09
kerioreceive bitcoins20:09
keriouse bitcoins to buy drugs on the internet20:09
DocScrutinizer05where can I find drugs on the internet?20:09
DocScrutinizer05can I get hoockers and booze too?20:10
keriowhy would you bother with bitcoins and shipping for booze20:10
DocScrutinizer05why would I buy drugs?20:10
kerioi honestly don't know of any other real purpose for bitcoins20:11
kerioyou can exchange bitcoins for actual money20:11
keriowith people who want to buy drugs on the internet20:11
DocScrutinizer05seems people have massive problems getting payments from USA to EU20:12
keriopeople have massive problems getting payments through with BTC20:12
DocScrutinizer05ooh, how nice20:13
keriobecause the network is oversaturated20:13
kerioand the transfer fees get higher and higher20:13
kerioand the devs who are currently in control of bitcoin core don't want to make the blocks bigger20:13
keriobecause otherwise the chinese miners would have an advantage20:13
DocScrutinizer05so the whole BTC hype bursted like a soap bubble the monet I try to finally approach it?20:13
keriono way man20:14
kerioit's going TO THE MOON20:14
kerio is my source of info20:14
* DocScrutinizer05 starts to have a hunch why those 40 Avalon2 dongles were a gift ;-P20:15
keriothose what now20:16
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DocScrutinizer05still have a nice RGB LED which I want to make shine in a different color than green20:16
DocScrutinizer05WUT bot?20:16
* DocScrutinizer05 kicks infobot's ass20:17
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infobotIt's great to be back!20:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: bitcoin works but has some issues i feel20:19
DocScrutinizer05needing a 82GB and counting in every client is a dead end concept20:19
kerionah that's not really necessary for actual clients20:19
DocScrutinizer05it's like having a book with all legit series numbers of bank notes with you, to do any payment20:20
keriothere's lighter clients20:20
DocScrutinizer05anyway, how would I receive BTC in theory?20:21
DocScrutinizer05will they magically show up in my wallet?20:21
DocScrutinizer05will I receive a email?20:21
kerioyou don't "receive" money20:22
keriosomeone sends you money20:22
kerioyou can send money to a nonexistent address20:22
kerioand the money is just gone20:22
DocScrutinizer05great feature ;-P20:22
DocScrutinizer05well, bank notes also burn, albeit terribly bad20:23
kerioluke-jr can explain why that's good for bitcoin to you20:24
DocScrutinizer05how friggin "useful"¡
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DocScrutinizer05freaking bot!!!20:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: #bitcoin-otc20:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's like a schism in bitcoin right now20:26
keriobetween people who want blocks bigger than 1MB and people who don't20:26
keriohaving bigger blocks would arguably be better because it's a very simple change and it would let the network work better20:26
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keriothe bigger the blocks, the more latency will affect the miners20:26
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kerioand because of the friggin great firewall of china, it would give an advantage to whatever side of the firewall has the greater hash power20:27
kerioright now it's on the china side20:27
DocScrutinizer05wow, what a political mess20:28
kerioit could be worse20:28
DocScrutinizer05the inventors of BTC for sure never thought it would turn into a fight China vs longnoses20:28
kerioinstead of running a very simple bytecode interpreter, the clients could run a language loosely based on javascript, enabling "smart contracts"20:29
kerioand then people could put the equivalent of 100M USD in a smart contract that ends up having a critical bug20:29
DocScrutinizer05you seem to know this shit20:30
kerio/r/buttcoin is amazing20:30
keriothe DAO, renamed "the D'OH" by /r/buttcoin, was an Ethereum smart contract20:31
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kerioie a program running on the "ethereum VM", the decentralized computation thing that powers the ethereum blockchain20:31
kerioit was supposed to hold funds to be used to fund companies and proposals20:32
keriowhere people who put money in could vote20:32
keriosomeone found a possible bug in a bunch of smart contracts, the dao creators said "we're not affected"20:32
keriothey were affected20:32
keriosomeone started pulling out funds20:33
DocScrutinizer05I feel like closing thos IRC chan tabs #ozcoin #bitcoin-otc gribble20:33
DocScrutinizer05NFC what to do with them20:33
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kerioin a 100% legitimate fashion20:33
keriobecause "the code is law"20:33
DocScrutinizer05sounds like "steer clear  err "STEER CLEAR!!!!"20:34
kerioand then a bunch of meanies said "no the code isn't actually law, we're going to hard fork the whole thing and make that contract invalid"20:34
kerioand that's good for ethereum and bitcoin20:34
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the stupidest thing is20:35
keriothe whole organization or whatever PRIDED itself in being completely bound by the code20:35
keriothere was an explanation of how the voting and stuff worked20:35
* DocScrutinizer05 shrugs20:35
DocScrutinizer05seems like a problem for peopkle who don't have problems20:36
keriobut there was a big disclaimer at the beginning saying "this explanation is not at all binding, what's actually in the ethereum blockchain at address <whatever> is the only real description of what will happen, if there's any discrepancy between this explanation and the code then this explanation is wrong"20:36
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kerioand then they hard forked the whole bloody thing to go "oops we didn't mean that"20:37
* DocScrutinizer05 frowns at "one window tab more in taskbar", from that wallet thing20:37
keriothis DAO had no real relation to ethereum itself20:37
kerioit was just one of many smart contracts20:37
kerioand the bug was a bug in how smart contracts were written, not a bug in ethereum20:37
DocScrutinizer05kerio: sorry, I can't follow, since err 10 min20:37
DocScrutinizer05and I'm quite sure I shouldn't even try20:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: "code is law" except when some devs have money in a buggy distributed program20:38
DocScrutinizer0540 useless USB dongles - MEH20:38
kerioalso, "let's make our blockchain run a turing complete language inspired by javascript"20:38
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: bitcoin as a concept is very very neat20:39
kerioor, well, blockchains20:39
keriotrading cryptocurrencies for actual money or viceversa is a very risky proposition20:39
keriobecause they're very volatile20:40
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DocScrutinizer05so the whole thing is pretty irrelevant for my personal life20:40
keriohowever, you can receive bitcoins and convert them into fiat money very quickly20:40
kerioand you're mostly safe20:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: well you could buy like 10€ of bitcoins20:40
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't know how20:40
DocScrutinizer05and why20:40
kerioand then track how much you're losing or gaining20:40
kerioidk man20:40
kerioto have the money of the future in your hands20:41
DocScrutinizer05I got real work to accomplish20:41
DocScrutinizer05can't afford learning for days and weeks how to handle that BTC mess20:41
kerio(not actually about grieving)20:42
DocScrutinizer05might be highly intriguing but... I got a TV20:42
DocScrutinizer05the world rather changes from iPhones than from BTC, I'd guess20:43
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: oh right btc are also used by ransomware script kids to receive ransoms20:45
DocScrutinizer05you won't unlock your data even when you pay20:45
DocScrutinizer05no reason top mess with BTC20:45
kerioyes you will20:45
keriosome even have live tech support20:46
kerioit works BECAUSE you get your data back when you pay20:46
DocScrutinizer05I heard the opposite20:46
kerioyou heard wrong20:46
DocScrutinizer05and I won't test it X-P20:46
kerioi mean, there's outliers20:47
keriothere's one that just deletes your data and then asks for a ransom20:47
keriobut there's also one that doesn't touch your data at all20:47
kerioand just asks for money20:47
DocScrutinizer05I rather bo into BTC to get me a M134D and tech them script kiddies20:47
kerio"the point is, they robbed a bank with a telephone"20:47
keriobtc are also good for laundering money20:47
DocScrutinizer05I rather go into BTC to get me a M134D and teach them script kiddies20:47
keriobuy bitcoins, anonymize bitcoins, sell bitcoins somewhere else20:48
buZz18:50:00 < DocScrutinizer05> 15z94ExNwDumtQgY9BWmudC4dwULfGHYDM  (this is one of your addresses) <-this one?20:48
DocScrutinizer05so? I don't need all that shit20:48
keriodon't send him cash20:48
keriohe might've uninstalled that shit20:48
DocScrutinizer05no, you didn't scare me enough yet20:48
kerioomg ;o20:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you're rich!20:49
kerio7.40 USD richer at least20:49
keriono wait20:50
buZzDocScrutinizer05: the benefit, imho, of bitcoin, is having no third party requirement20:50
buZzkerio: ~ 1 euro20:50
kerioye it was the second output20:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: 1 euro richer ;o20:50
keriobuZz: whos the first output20:50
keriotell us ;320:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: so yea, he just sent you one euro20:51
kerioand paid like 5c to send you one euro and someone else 6ish euro20:51
buZzkerio: change20:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: MAYBE20:52
keriowait for the transaction to be confirmed20:52
buZzi think you can buy stickers from from that20:52
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I got other tasks20:52
keriobuy one that says "nokla"20:52
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kerioaww they're not custom stickers, lame20:53
DocScrutinizer05I'm honestly not interested in that whole intricate shit20:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: send me that euro! ;320:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: JUMP!20:53
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sicelohow do you relate bitcon to 'real' currency?20:54
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siceloso to use bitcoin, that dongle thing is needed as well?20:55
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: kerio suggested some weird freenode chan full of warnings, where it seems to me changing bitcoins to fiat money is a task like finding a new drug dealer20:56
kerioor you could use an exchange20:57
kerioand hope that they don't steal your btc20:57
DocScrutinizer05MultiBit: <DocScrutinizer05> how friggin "useful"¡
DocScrutinizer05it happens I'm NOT in "North america"20:58
kerioWarning: Please be careful with your money. When sending funds to an exchange or other counterparty you are trusting that the operator will not abscond with your bitcoins and that the operator maintains secure systems that protect against internal or external theft. It is recommended that you obtain the real-world identity of the operator and ensure that sufficient recourse is available. Exchanging or storing significant funds with exchanges is not20:59
kerio recommended.20:59
DocScrutinizer05and I wasted hours on a 40 useless dongles now20:59
keriowhy "wasted"20:59
kerioalso which dongles are those20:59
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DocScrutinizer05"wasted" because the whole thing is useless for me21:00
kerioholy SHIT level3 went down21:00
DocScrutinizer05holy shit kerio what are you talking about?21:01
kerioit's a tier 1 isp21:02
DocScrutinizer05then that's why wpwrak went offline21:02
DocScrutinizer05for 52s21:03
DocScrutinizer05and infobot too?21:03
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer0521:04
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DocScrutinizer05buZz: thanks, payment arrived in Multibit wallet21:26
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buZzDocScrutinizer05: \o23:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: are you gonna buy an ice cream ;o23:14
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't know how to23:15
DocScrutinizer05it seems this MultiBit thing is convenient to manage BTC (receive, stash, send) but I hardly can see how to either convert BTC to fiat money or find a way to pay my ice cream with BTC23:16
kerioby sending the btc to someone23:17
keriowho has agreed to exchange it for services23:17
DocScrutinizer05I also wouldn't want to stash more than a 50 mBTC in that thing23:17
keriowell, your local wallet is 100% secure, isn't it23:18
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I prefer to send real money, that's more convenient and way less restricting my option23:18
kerioand that just about sums the issue with bitcoin23:19
DocScrutinizer05and re "local wallet secure" I don't even have an idea if that thing is local, not to mention the stability of that BTC currency23:20
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, I wasted way too much time into all that already23:20
DocScrutinizer05for a pretty humble gain in experience and knowledge, and zilch improvement in my RL23:21
DocScrutinizer05I could see a usecase for payments from US to EU, without the horrific fees for wire transfers. But then **only** if the amount arrives at my end as fiat money23:22
DocScrutinizer05I seem to be the person with least BTC knowledge in the company, and all others so far failed to actually find a BTC processor that allows automatic (at least weekly) deposit of fiat money to a German bank account from inbound BTC transfers23:26
DocScrutinizer05now I have a (private) wallet and could receive BTC, but still no idea how to convert those into fiat money at all. Not to think of *automatic conversion* at time of payment, so the customer actually can know the amount (*in USD / EUR*) they paid23:28
buZzDocScrutinizer05: if you have mucho bitcoin, maybe invest in a trezor (hardware wallet)23:28
DocScrutinizer05shit please kill me if I ever "have mucho bitcoin"23:29
DocScrutinizer05I already got plenty of options to make my life a misery23:29
DocScrutinizer05don't need a wallet with "mucho BTC" on top23:30
buZzDocScrutinizer05: i'd buy it from you ;)23:31
DocScrutinizer05couldn't we forget about that BTC stuff and use cowry instead?23:31
buZzwhats that23:31
buZzCowry or cowrie, plural cowries, is the common name for a group of small to large sea snails, marine gastropod molluscs in the family Cypraeidae, the cowries. The word cowry is also often used to refer only to the shells of these snails, which overall are often shaped more or less like an egg, except that they are rather flat on the underside.23:32
DocScrutinizer05indeed, what an obscenity23:33
buZzok, some exchange unit i guess23:34
DocScrutinizer05used as currency in china, it seems23:34
buZzDocScrutinizer05: maybe the lack of digital transferable ownership without third party23:34
DocScrutinizer05let me check that new stuff my bank offers23:35
buZzDocScrutinizer05: if you need to tx it to euro , i can buy em back :P23:41
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