IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2016-08-11

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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders in which universe fishbulb lives01:21
DocScrutinizer05definitely a universe I'm not fluent with the language and symbol system used, however familiar it may sound01:22
DocScrutinizer05"text forwarding shit", "copy of my sim card", honestly now?01:24
DocScrutinizer05to answer the second (first I can't decode): no, using a cloned SIM concurrently with the original in same network will most usually ban both and earn you a visit by some angry people01:25
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I guess fishbulb meant something to forward SMS messages.01:30
DocScrutinizer05I have no decent answer to this 'question'01:31
DocScrutinizer05would need precise definition of "some kind of text forwarding shit"01:31
DocScrutinizer05there are around half a dozen layers on which such "some kind of text forwarding shit" could happen01:32
DocScrutinizer05for TLA authorities, they will depend on none of them but simply get the SMS from provider01:33
DocScrutinizer05generally any "some kind of text forwarding shit" is a pretty low profile attack01:34
DocScrutinizer05possibly parents use this to control their children01:34
DocScrutinizer05no ready made app for this is known to exist for N90001:35
DocScrutinizer05it's however pretty easy to write such app using a bit of dbus-scripting01:35
DocScrutinizer05also discovery is extremely simple since provider will *charge* you for forwarded SMS01:37
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xesi haven't found any tips about this: is there a way to trim the mA of current provided to the flash leds while using camera-ui2?11:09
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Defianthttps://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch this?11:12
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xesin fact i was talking about a setting to increase the power of the flash while taking a photo. Standard camera-ui flash is pretty weak. Testing the leds with lanterne shows that also with safe current levels flash leds can produce brighter light pulses. So, i was asking which is the current gived to the leds while using camera-ui and how change it11:21
xes@ 215 mA the leds can produce really more light than camera-ui while shooting photo with flash. It's easy to try, you can open lanterne in strobe mode at level 12(215 mA) and camera-ui at the same time and try one an the other in a dark room. I can see that very often camera-ui fails to focus because flash light in insufficient11:31
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bencohsilly question, but how do we know 215mA is a "safe level"?11:35
bencoh(datasheet?)11:35
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bencohcamera-ui2 uses gdigicam to set flash mode11:37
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bencoh(g_digicam_manager_set_flash_mode)11:37
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bencohwhich in turns uses a gst-camerabin, which relies on gst_photography11:44
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bencoh(oh and, none of those specify a level, only a mode)11:49
Defiantmaybe the mA is factory programmed in the ADP?11:52
xeshttps://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2153251/11:58
xes.max_flash_intensity = ADP1653_FLASH_INTENSITY_REG_TO_mA(19), /* Must be limited to 320 mA in RX-51 B3 and newer hardware */11:59
xes215 mA is level 1211:59
xesbencoh: so gdigicam has a setting for this?12:00
bencohxes: nope, only a mode12:00
bencohI dunno where the value is set12:00
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xesi searched a lot.. in all this years no one worried about flash intensity and poor camera focus in the dark? Seems weird, probably i'm missing something12:26
bencohI suppose pretty much everyone just assumed camera would work poorly in bad light situations12:27
sicelo:)12:28
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zGrrmoin ;)12:46
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xes:) v4l2-ctl --get-ctrl flash_intensity13:37
xesv4l2-ctl --set-ctrl flash_intensity=1413:38
KotCzarnywiki material13:38
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xesKotCzarny: ? maybe.. Where?13:40
KotCzarnycamera related page or phone control maybe13:40
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KotCzarnyso many camera pages13:41
KotCzarnyhttps://wiki.maemo.org/N900_camera_sensor https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_VGA_camera https://wiki.maemo.org/Video_camera13:42
xesKotCzarny: oh you too ar at the "maybe" point of the search.. Ok13:42
KotCzarnyhttps://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking13:42
KotCzarnyhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/Camera_UI13:43
KotCzarnyhttps://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch13:43
KotCzarnythis page is the best candidate imo13:43
KotCzarny(the last one)13:43
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KotCzarnyread it, it has some warnings13:45
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KotCzarnyand this is second best guess for that control: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control (if you add it here, please add a link to the flash torch page so one wouldnt damage something)13:48
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xesKotCzarny: sorry, have you read the backlog looking at the point of my question?13:50
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KotCzarnyyes, but im doing something else so i might have misread something13:51
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DocScrutinizer05xes: interesting topic16:40
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DocScrutinizer05xes: there's no UI for setting flashlight brightness that I know of16:42
DocScrutinizer05btw did I spam this chan with http://neo900.org/news/migrating-away-from-eagle-to-kicad already? Now I did ;-)16:44
bencohyou did yesterday iirc16:45
bencohoh, maybenot, nevermind16:46
bencoh(not this one :D)16:46
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fishbulblink for backupmenu please17:54
fishbulb~bm18:00
infobotbackupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install18:00
fishbulbsweet18:00
fishbulbhow would I get this on a phone with no sim18:01
sicelowifi?18:02
siceloanyway, /me afk18:02
fishbulband no wifi18:11
bencohand no usb I guess?18:11
fishbulbactually it does have usb, the other phone that has backupmenu doesn't have usb18:12
fishbulbI just backed up my shit from that one, but the usb is shot18:12
fishbulbso I have a phone here, no wifi and no sim but yes, usb18:13
bencohthen you can install it over usbnet18:14
fishbulbI don't know what usbnet is18:14
bencoh...18:14
fishbulbI've never used it18:14
bencohthere is a wiki page about that18:14
fishbulb:/18:14
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DocScrutinizer05why don't you use uSD card for BM and also to download backupmenu.deb and install that?18:22
DocScrutinizer05that fishbulb, tztztz18:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: honestly i feel like an install of uboot is a must on any n900 that doesn't have a working usb port18:24
DocScrutinizer05always so "I want that, and I want it now! and no, I won't do it the way you suggest, I want it *my* way"18:24
kerioeven though it's dangerous18:24
kerioand also a must on any n900 that does18:25
bencohit's a must everywhere yeah18:36
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keriobecause mostly regardless of what happens, you can boot something from a microsd18:41
bencohalmost18:41
bencohyeah :)18:41
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xesDocScrutinizer05: in fact there is also a weird error about v4l2-ctl while reading flash control: v4l2-ctl -L ---> error 22 getting ext_ctrl Flash strobe19:06
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xesAnyway, camera-ui restores v4l flash_intensity at every shot :(19:09
xesfreemangordon: any idea about how set flash_intensity while using camera-ui?  ^^19:09
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bencohI suspect this is not camera-ui itself but some function hidden in the v4l source module (of gstreamer), or something in omap3camd19:13
bencoh... I guess :)19:14
CatButtsthis is unrelated19:14
CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/LILETEST.ogg19:14
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_maniac_nice domain name btw19:47
CatButtsyes19:47
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DocScrutinizer05(domain)22:20
DocScrutinizer05Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f1ae8f71780 (LWP 26957)):22:20
DocScrutinizer05[KCrash Handler]22:20
DocScrutinizer05#6  0x00007f1ae571f3e6 in __strcmp_ssse3 () from /lib64/libc.so.622:20
DocScrutinizer05#7  0x00007f1aa29bea0e in QMetaType::registerNormalizedType(QByteArray const&, void (*)(void*), void* (*)(void const*), void (*)(void*), void* (*)(void*, void const*), int, QFlags<QMetaType::TypeFlag>, QMetaObject const*) () from /usr/lib64/libQt5Core.so.522:20
DocScrutinizer05Qt5Core my ass22:21
DocScrutinizer05afaik I don't even jave Qt522:21
DocScrutinizer05have*22:22
DocScrutinizer05obviously I do, though22:22
sicelowhere's that?22:24
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DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopwo2277.png22:34
DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopcx2277.png22:40
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siceloah .. kde22:43
sicelotbh, i have had more nonsense with kde than gnome .. still asking myself why it's praised so much :-/22:43
siceloone of these days i'll lose my patience and go back to gnome22:44
siceloDocScrutinizer05: seen the basic 'user' icon/avatar for KDE5? lol22:45
DocScrutinizer05gnome gives you the windows UX, KDE is totally customizable22:46
DocScrutinizer05plus I really hate that one available design in gnome22:47
DocScrutinizer05plus when gnome published they unbearable first buggy version, I was on KDE already for years22:47
siceloah22:48
DocScrutinizer05KDE1 was a PITA, but hey it was a baby. KDE2 was quite ok. KDE3 was mostly super, KDE4 is crap22:50
siceloi never used KDE until KDE4 a few weeks ago .. tbh, i found it fine. now on KDE5 .. fine too. but i can't agree that KDE is the best thing since sliced bread. or maybe it's because i use terminal more than anything else .. and therefore don't use the 'good' parts of either DE22:53
CatButtsthe highlight of KDE up until v4 was ktuberling22:56
CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/ktuberling.png mildly nsfw22:56
siceloand what's what?22:56
sicelolooks like crap thing22:56
CatButtsit's one of the many toys that comes with KDE22:57
sicelothe most annoying problem i'm having with KDE5 (I did have it with 4 too, but not as bad as with 5) is that Wireless networks will suddenly not be connected to, due to "secrets were not provided" .. never had that with gnome22:57
DocScrutinizer05KDE is only great when you make it your own22:59
sicelo:)23:00
DocScrutinizer05the default config is too much windowsy shit inspired, just like gnome. just with kde you have the choice to change virtually every little aspect23:00
DocScrutinizer05even consoles aka shells/terminals are fine under KDE23:01
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luke-jrsicelo: KDE 3 was much better than 4/523:55
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer05: +10023:55
CatButtsyeah, it had the better KTuberling23:56
luke-jrKDE 4 barely got tolerable around KDE 4.4, and then went downhill since23:56
luke-jrhttp://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot147.png <-- my desktop layout :p23:57
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