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x-systemHello!    When it will be new version maemo for n900?13:13
Sicelowhat do you mean?13:13
SiceloMaemo was abandoned by Nokia long ago, so there'll not be any new versions. Only Maemo 513:14
Sicelothere is CSSU however13:14
infobotcssu is, like,, or (Community Seamless Software Update)13:14
x-systemHello!    When it will be new version maemo for n900?13:18
Siceloum .. didn't i answer that already?13:18
x-systemI suppose, CSSU develiping maemo 5: fix bugs, adding new fitch. It true?13:21
Sicelothere's obviously a limit to the addition of new features .. as the purpose of CSSU is to maintain close-to stock/standard behaviour, while fixing bugs, and optimizing performance13:23
x-systemNow I have 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 - it last version?13:23
KotCzarnynope, cssu is latest13:23
x-systemhow can I see version in my n900?13:25
DocScrutinizer05FSCK YOU gmail!!!!13:26
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x-systemWhen changelog last version maemo5?13:28
x-systemI realy confused. Now I have 21.2011.38-1 Tmaemo11, but you tell me what it not last version. But last version 11.04.2015. I can't understand )13:37
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KotCzarnylast firmware available is the one you cited13:39
KotCzarnybut to get all updates it requires cssu13:39
KotCzarnyas there is no firmware release from cssu13:39
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: freemangordon: get a decent mail provider!!13:59
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and that's to you too, Greg KH!13:59
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DocScrutinizer05linuxfoundation can't afford to run their own decent MX :-/14:00
DocScrutinizer05linuxfoundation uses GOOGLEmail!14:00
Paliyes, torvlads too14:01
Palisometimes pull requests for him are going into google spam14:01
Paliwe know that14:01
DocScrutinizer05didn't expect they were SUCH NOOBS ;-P14:01
Paliand so for sending patches and pull requests is ideal only gmail14:01
Palibecause gmail --> gmail transport does not end in spam14:02
DocScrutinizer05als OM->gmail ends in spam regularly lately14:02
DocScrutinizer05and NO, I will NOT suggest to Paul Wise (OM admin) to create a SPF record for OM14:03
DocScrutinizer05OM mail servers are known-good since ... 8some years14:04
DocScrutinizer05btw LKML seems to be down too14:05
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PaliDMARC and SPF are one big shit14:13
Palifor supporting DMARC, kde bugzilla decided to remove and mangle From headers14:14
PaliDocScrutinizer05: see my reported bug
Paliof course closed as INVALID14:14
DocScrutinizer05as usual :-/14:16
DocScrutinizer05linux suffering an invasion by highly qualified total ignoramuses14:17
Pali"In regards to email standards, they're not relevant here."14:23
Pali"What commonly used email providers dictate as being required is relevant"14:24
Pali"as what people care about is getting their email in a readable form"14:24
Pali"GMail, followed by Yahoo are our top destinations for email delivery. So they set the rules."14:24
DocScrutinizer05 says it all, those fools assign higher priority to gmail defacto "standards" than to RFC14:28
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x-systemOkey, 21.2011.38-1 Tmaemo11 - it last frimvare for my n900?16:17
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Shapeshifterthe camera on my n900 appears to have stopped working. black picture in the camera app, grey in fcamera. what do?16:45
bencohI suppose you tried rebooting and made sure it wasn't software-related?16:46
ShapeshifterI rebooted. could be software, not sure how to debug16:46
bencoh(like, you didnt play with cam drivers)16:46
ShapeshifterI didn't break it knowingly, no.16:46
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ceenePali DocScrutinizer05 may that wrong headers be the thing that corrupts mails in modest?17:15
Paliceene: which erong headers?17:16
ceenePali: those From: someone via whatever thing17:16
bencohwtf with that bug report oO17:16
Paliceene: which From:?17:16
ceenefrom the bug report DocScrutinizer05 pasted before17:16
ceeneAnd now in this week I got emails from KDE Bugzilla which format of From header is: From: via KDE Bugzilla <>17:16
Paliceene: that is bug in KDE bugzilla17:17
Paliwhich I reported17:17
ceeneyes, but what if modest receives a message formated like that?17:17
DocScrutinizer05and the problem I ran into is gmail SUCKS17:17
DocScrutinizer05formated like what?17:17
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ceeneFrom: via KDE Bugzilla <>17:18
Paliceene: modest and also any other email client (gmail web too!!!!) show what is in From: header17:18
ceeneand other random shit17:18
Paliso you will see "via KDE Bugzilla <>"17:18
ceenePali: thing is, I've been experiencing glitches on the way modest displays emails after receiving on the n900 a mail originated in linux kernel mailing list17:18
ceeneso i thought it could be related to that17:19
DocScrutinizer05ceene: that bug is unrelated to modest. But modest is known to cock up on all sorts of slightly unusual mail structures17:19
Palimodest in cssu-devel has fixes for some retarted bugs17:19
DocScrutinizer05yes, I already said that17:19
ceeneuhm, i must have missed that17:20
ceeneto be honest, i don't know what i'm running right now17:20
DocScrutinizer05unless you run CSSU, you shouldn't even start to wonder why modest doesn't work17:20
Paliand if there are still big problems in cssu-devel version, write me proper description of that problem... and I can start thinking if that problem is a bug and if is possible to fix17:20
ceenei'll have to wait for it to break again17:20
ceeneso i can check the offending mail17:21
bencohpretty sure ceene runs cssu17:21
Palimerlin1991 wrote me that new cssu-stable is on go17:21
bencohPali: woohoo for -stable \o/17:21
Paliso security and bug fixes should be there17:21
ceenei'm running cssu, i just don't know if i got something from cssu-devel or not17:21
* DocScrutinizer05 sighs at "postfix HowTo for dummies"17:21
Palianyway, I'm fixing perl modules which generate and parse email (those from Email:: namespace) and I believe that we will have RFC compliant email support in perl :-)17:23
bencohDocScrutinizer05: hm?17:23
bencohregarding the From: rewrite?17:23
Palishut up with From: rewriting!17:23
DocScrutinizer05regarding I had to *guess* that postconf might be a helpful command17:23
PaliFrom: header is filled by sender17:24
Paliand not modified or rewritten17:24
DocScrutinizer05is there a good "HowTo postfix" for non-debian systems?17:24
bencohyeah ... at least that's what should happen17:24
DocScrutinizer05only the basics17:24
Palitry official postfix documentation?17:25
Siceloarch usually has good wiki17:25
Palithere is documentation for postfix config file17:25
DocScrutinizer05like this?
Palifor each config line17:25
DocScrutinizer05that's pretty much useless since: it has no hint about e.g. postconf17:26
DocScrutinizer05I don't want to learn about 380 config options17:26
Pali$ man 5 postconf17:27
Paliand search for what you need17:27
DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> man 5 postconf|wc -l17:27
Paliyes that is full description17:27
Palibut what do you need?17:27
DocScrutinizer05how am I supposed to know what I need before I read a friggin 7542 manpage lines?17:28
Paliif you need to change configuration of some specific setting, you can grep that documentation17:28
PaliI'm sure you find what you need17:28
bencohask your favorite search engine I'd say?17:28
DocScrutinizer05I need to *install* postfix17:29
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: guess what I did17:29
Paliah, installation & first configuration17:29
DocScrutinizer05>>The road to mail-server-setup is paved with carcasses of system administrators; one hand still clinging to their keyboards and the other reaching out to the light at the end of this gloomy path.<<17:29
Paliinstall it via package system17:29
Paliand then edit manually files in /etc/postfix/17:29
DocScrutinizer05I already did that17:29
Palithat should be enough for normal basic settings17:30
DocScrutinizer05edit config files - great! but WHAT in those 380 options in there?17:30
Palileave default17:30
DocScrutinizer05I guess postconf command exists for a reason17:30
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bencohyes, when you need to check actualy config17:31
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Palimyorigin, mydestination and mynetworks is what you need to change17:31
Palipostconf is there as quick replacement for sed, ed and vim :-)17:31
DocScrutinizer05I can't believe that there's no 120 lines mini howto for setting up a basic working postfix17:32
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Paliwhat is wrong with that basic readme file?17:32
DocScrutinizer05myorigin, mydestination and mynetworks? sounds simple enough17:32
Paliyes those are important17:33
Paliand if you have non retarded distribution then you have good default settings17:33
bencohare you setting your own?17:33
DocScrutinizer05wrong with readme basic? dunno, it was a tad intangible on first glance17:34
DocScrutinizer05maybe isn't17:34
Paliand if you need some specific configuration (e.g. enable STARTTLS only for specific port and reject emails which are not accepted under TLS tunnel) then you will find it in man 5 postconf...17:34
DocScrutinizer05I guess I'll find my way when it conmes to specific things17:35
Palibut if you choose manual e.g. for debian, it should work also on other distributions17:35
DocScrutinizer05non retarded distribution - dunno, CentOS517:35
Paliit is same postfix, just files can be on different location17:35
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DocScrutinizer05the manual for debian says the postinst script asks me for domain name and type of install (server, whatnot) - alas this doesn't apply to yum install postfix17:36
Paliyes, you need to skip those questions which are asked when installing17:37
Paliand go to steps, how to do that manually after installation17:37
DocScrutinizer05so I thought "dang, they won't do that inside the postinst, so there must be a script for that" and thus found postconf17:37
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x-systemHello. I have some problems with backupMenu. When I do backup I see "Error: cannot mount the eMMC. Try using FSK mode and see if that fixes it." I don't know what do. I try use FSCK - not changes. I not have memory card and do backup to MyDoc. Backupmenu version 1.2.0, frimevare - last testing. Can you help me?17:38
DocScrutinizer05at that point I frowned at
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DocScrutinizer05x-system: when eMMC is corrupted, you're usually out of luck when a first try with fsck (usually done automatically even, during boot) doesn't already fix it17:40
DocScrutinizer05x-system: when you want to use BM to fix the problem, then you should flash vanilla before17:41
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DocScrutinizer05when you however want to make a *backup* of your already corrupted eMMC then you're possibly late17:42
x-system corrupted eMMC - it hardvare problem?17:45
DocScrutinizer05err, a (usually) soft hw-problem. IOW nothing a reflash won't fix17:45
DocScrutinizer05it's a tad unfortunate that flashing VANILLA also nukes /home, while you only need  a fresh MyDocs aiui17:48
DocScrutinizer05maybe a mkfs on MyDocs would work17:49
DocScrutinizer05sorry I'm busy17:49
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: LOL
Palimyorigin/mydestination/mynetworks is what you need to set according to your settings17:58
x-system <DocScrutinizer05> sory, what steps for fix my problem?17:59
Palithose settings must be configured by admin, not script... as only admin knows how he want to configure mail server17:59
DocScrutinizer05yes. but even root could run a script that *asks* for those parameters18:00
DocScrutinizer05x-system: please do a full reflash, then restore your backup18:00
DocScrutinizer05though I gather you keep your backups on MyDocs, which means you've lost them18:01
DocScrutinizer05unless somebody can talk you through a successful fsck session (something rarely ever seen for eMMC/MyDocs)18:02
x-system<DocScrutinizer05> Thank for you18:04
Palix-system: if you have working bootmenu, you can export MyDocs block device via usb18:04
Paliand then run fsck on that exported block device from host computer18:04
DocScrutinizer05hmm yes, that might even work for fsck, no?18:05
DocScrutinizer05beat me to it18:05
Paliit must work :-)18:05
Palibut if fs is totally damaged, then fsck will not be able to repair18:05
Palijust like local hdd18:05
* DocScrutinizer05 scratches head at
DocScrutinizer05myorigin = $myhostname (default: send mail as "user@$myhostname")18:06
Palion linux does not matter if block device is local hdd, or some usb device connected to phone which is connected to mmc host controller18:06
Paliin both cases it is block device on which fsck can be started18:06
DocScrutinizer05x-system: so first: start your system into backupmenu menu, attach to PC, select in BM menu to have MyDocs exported as USB storage18:08
DocScrutinizer05attach to LINUX PC18:08
DocScrutinizer05on linux PC run a fsck against the USB-attached new storage device18:09
DocScrutinizer05ask here for details when you're there18:09
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DocScrutinizer05x-system: if you want to do reflash, see18:20
infobotfrom memory, lazyflashing is
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: ((and if you need some specific configuration (e.g. enable STARTTLS only for specific port and reject emails which are not accepted under TLS tunnel) then you will find it in man 5 postconf...)) this is for sending mails via TLS POP3 from @anywhere, right?18:31
Palino POP3, postfix is for SMTP18:31
DocScrutinizer05errr nonsense, TLS SMTP18:31
DocScrutinizer05well, I hope it knows POP3 too, for fetching mails18:32
Paliyou can enfore postfix to require TLS (either via STARTTLS or TLS tunel on decicated port 465)18:32
Palipostfix is not for fetching emails18:33
Paliit is SMTP server and relay18:33
PaliPOP3/IMAP protocol for fetching emails is implemented e.g. in dovecot18:33
Palipostfix + dovecot is usual combination18:33
DocScrutinizer05so I'm messing with shit postfix while I'm mainly interested in a facility to *receive* mails and fetch them from that facility via POP3 or IMAP18:34
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks18:34
DocScrutinizer05I just learned why I *never* before touched that email shit18:35
DocScrutinizer05postgray tricked me into thinking postfix was for receiving mails too18:36
Palipostfix implements SMTP protocol, and in SMTP is sender and receiver :-)18:36
Paliso it receive emails and put it them into user mailbox18:36
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Palibut if you want to access that user mailbox from your server via internet to other computers, you need another protocol, either POP3 or IMAP18:37
Pali(or some web client)18:37
Paliand that part POP3/IMAP is implemented in dovecot, IMAP and POP3 server18:38
DocScrutinizer05aah right. Thanks18:38
Paliit is like directory access18:38
Palilike tunned FTP or SFTP protocol specially for emails18:38
DocScrutinizer05so postfix would suffice if I read my emails via ssh session on server ;-)18:38
Palirunning mutt on that server is enough18:39
Paliand lot of people prefer this over IMAP or POP318:39
Palibecause all POP3 and IMAP clients sucks18:39
DocScrutinizer05the rest uses webmailers ;-P18:39
DocScrutinizer05nah, I will get that POP3 shit running after I replaced friggin cyrus by postfix, for inbound mails18:40
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DocScrutinizer05as if I had no other 'funny' things to do, than to set up a new system with mailserver and webserver and all18:43
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DocScrutinizer05~wiki lmtp19:21
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'Local Mail Transfer Protocol' ('LMTP') is a derivative of ESMTP, the extension of the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP). It is defined in RFC 2033.RFC 2033, "The Local Mail Transfer Protocol", J. Myers, The Internet Society (October 1996) LMTP is designed as an alternative to normal SMTP for situations where the receiving side does not have a mail queue, such as a mail storage ...19:21
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Sicelorandom musing: as much as most of us may not 'like' it, seems to have very good spam detection algo, beating Gmail by far19:30
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DocScrutinizer05postfix --version    => postfix: invalid option -- -19:35
Sicelopostfix blues today, eh19:36
DocScrutinizer05OMG 2.3.319:36
DocScrutinizer05Pali: could you help me out which is TLS-server and which client?19:42
Palido not understand19:43
DocScrutinizer05in my world the client initiates the session19:43
bencohDocScrutinizer05: MTA<->MTA session you mean?19:44
DocScrutinizer05err, prolly, yes. Rather MTA<->MUA19:44
DocScrutinizer05or specifically thunderbird<->postfix19:45
DocScrutinizer05thunderbird would initiate a TLS-SMTP session19:46
bencohthen the client issues STARTTLS19:46
DocScrutinizer05is it client or server?19:46
DocScrutinizer05the cert lives on postfix side19:46
DocScrutinizer05thunderbird wouldn't even check the cert for validity19:47
DocScrutinizer05well, not really19:47
DocScrutinizer05Pali: for a postfix install that is supposed to handle inbound SMTP requests from my MUA via TLS, is the postfix a TLS server or a TLS client?19:49
Paliah, now I understand what you need :-)19:50
DocScrutinizer05sorry for the possibly idiotic question19:50
Paliyou need SMTP server which will accept emails from your TB and then send it19:50
Palipostfix is still SMTP server here19:50
DocScrutinizer05thanks :-)19:50
Paliin some relay mode19:51
Paliand you probably want to authenticate with name+pass19:51
DocScrutinizer05I however need to know if the SMTP server is also TLS server, or TLS client19:51
Paliit is TLS server19:52
DocScrutinizer05thanks a lot19:52
Palias server listen for connection19:52
PaliTB does not listen for incomming connection19:52
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DocScrutinizer05smtpd_tls_security_level = may19:53
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DocScrutinizer05which isn't to be found in template :-/19:56
DocScrutinizer05sigh, nevertheless it's in
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PaliDocScrutinizer05: how do you say in german "subject: header of email"?21:43
DocScrutinizer05ouphh, I'd probably not translate it ;-)21:43
DocScrutinizer05lemme check what my mail client says21:44
DocScrutinizer05sorry, english21:44
DocScrutinizer05I admit I dunno the german words commonly used21:44
DocScrutinizer05subject is maybe "Betreff"21:45
DocScrutinizer05header most likely has no proper german term21:45
DocScrutinizer05"Betreff: Header der email"21:46
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Paliok, I will look into thunderbird or kmail language files...21:47
DocScrutinizer05blockheads at Siemens would use "Betreff: Kopf der elektronischen Post"21:47
DocScrutinizer05email is neo-german, and prolly header is as well21:48
DocScrutinizer05there is no fitting german term for header21:50
DocScrutinizer05only for qualified header, like letter header = Briefkopf21:51
PaliI thought that there could be some technical word for it21:51
* RST38h heard something similar about jars in German21:51
DocScrutinizer05so email header would be "Email-Kopf" but I definitely never heard that21:51
Palior something which is used...21:51
RST38hplenty of different jars, just not the jar in general. True?21:51
DocScrutinizer05jar is "Glas" or "Topf"21:52
DocScrutinizer05you can say "clean the 'Glas'" but when you say "write the 'Kopf'" you need an established context, talking about emails since 2 minutes already21:53
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: though yes, we have 100s of "jars": Marmeladenglas, Gurkenglas, Uringlas... - but you have that in english with "beer glas" too21:55
RST38hHeh =)21:56
DocScrutinizer05ding even tells me >>jar [colloq]  ->  Glas Bier<<21:57
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merlin1991oh the joys of postfix22:09
merlin1991I set up mine to disallow plain text auth22:10
merlin1991that took a while ...22:10
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merlin1991but iirc dovecot setup was even worse22:12
bencoh19:47 < DocScrutinizer05> thunderbird wouldn't even check the cert for validity22:15
bencoherr, what?22:15
bencohDocScrutinizer05: oh by the way, see saslauthd+postfix for your need22:16
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: :-// dovecot was next on my todo. Getting rid of cyrus22:42
DocScrutinizer05which I never touched nor grok22:43
DocScrutinizer05server move, incl bashing for bitrotten OS from provider, and a cyrus OOM today22:44
DocScrutinizer05like xmas22:44
bencohdovecot is pretty simple22:44
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: ((check for validity)) I referred to using a self-signed cert22:45
DocScrutinizer05so no CA shit involved22:45
DocScrutinizer05sasl spams my log with brute-force failed logins22:47
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DocScrutinizer05particularly funny:  Jun  8 21:28:44 lagrange saslauthd[2349]: do_auth         : auth failure: [user=spam] [service=smtp] [realm=] [mech=pam] [reason=PAM auth error]22:48
DocScrutinizer05frowning at no IP in that loglines, for fail2ban22:49
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bencohI wouldn't keep f2b around anyway, but your call22:54
DocScrutinizer05why not?22:54
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: ^^^22:55
DocScrutinizer05not that I'd really worry anybody could do real harm by stuff like - but it sucks and bloats my syslogs22:56
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DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: what is the killer argument to not simply share a working postfix/
DocScrutinizer51ey al23:14
DocScrutinizer51et* al23:14
DocScrutinizer51honestly I'm tempted to write a job, doing some sed ///23:15
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DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: what is the killer argument to not simply share a working postfix/ et al?23:29
DocScrutinizer51honestly I'm tempted to write a job, doing some sed ///23:30
DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: please query me23:30
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Vajbi have odd behaviour of bme-replacement. Battery is succesfully calibrated, but when charge comes around 7% left battery voltage is at 3248 region and device will soon turn off because of empty battery.23:56
Vajbfirst i thought that this is because my mugen battery is getting weak (after one year of use), but this keeps happening with my new battery as well. So either something is odd on my device or this is normal behavior and is just odd in my opinion.23:57

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