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| Oksana | Question: can telepathy provide "somebody is typing" notifications/indicators? | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that depends first and foremost on the underlying protocol, I guess | 03:48 |
| Oksana | Hmm, should research... Side-note: playing chess with contacts would be nice https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Tubes/ | 03:57 |
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| Oksana | Okay, on a making-sense point: just like audio-or-video-call takes whole screen, forcing user to switch windows for text messages, chess-game has full right to take whole screen, leaving any text messages in a separate telepathy-window | 04:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how chess comes to IM | 04:05 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wants a generic sensor-actor extension in XMPP ;-) | 04:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, I guess this has already been demonstrated during last CCCamp | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Projects:Teledildonics | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm not responsible for content of websites I'm linking to | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least you can bet on it becoming a big success story, when sex is involved | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just like video via internet, which... we know all why videos on internet got "invented" to start with | 04:18 |
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| Oksana | Huh, at least link is clear enough that most people would recognise risks before opening it | 04:56 |
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| klopsi-u3 | i need your donations | 05:58 |
| klopsi-u3 | for a new website | 05:58 |
| klopsi-u3 | about jewish priests sucking baby cocks | 05:59 |
| klopsi-u3 | yumyumbabypenis.com | 05:59 |
| klopsi-u3 | send money now | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 06:10 |
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| klopsi-u3 | why are there 171 people here | 08:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | why are you here? | 08:32 |
| klopsi-u3 | i am curious | 08:32 |
| klopsi-u3 | i use maemo | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're close to a kickban for absolutely inappropriate XXX posts | 08:33 |
| joga | "close"? ;p | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joga: everybody deserves a warning | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though in this particular case I was very tempted to instantly use the banhammer | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also klopsi-u3 didn't troll so far, so I guess that was some mishap | 08:52 |
| klopsi-u3 | DocScrutinizer05: | 08:54 |
| klopsi-u3 | i got a legion of government assholes threatening me | 08:55 |
| klopsi-u3 | you are a mushroom | 08:55 |
| klopsi-u3 | i just stopped by to say hi | 08:55 |
| freemangordon | bot? | 08:55 |
| klopsi-u3 | you are a pustule | 08:55 |
| klopsi-u3 | on my skin | 08:56 |
| klopsi-u3 | i pop you | 08:56 |
| klopsi-u3 | what? | 08:56 |
| klopsi-u3 | i am a descendent of Charlemagne | 08:56 |
| klopsi-u3 | i am a king | 08:56 |
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| *** klopsi-u3 was kicked by DocScrutinizer05 (T900: "User terminated!") | 08:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: nope, see chanlogs which have him as a reasonable user since nov 2015 | 08:57 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 08:58 |
| freemangordon | weird. maybe | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now he's wasting his own time sending me query | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | drunk, I guess. Or on dunno which drug | 09:00 |
| freemangordon | :) | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/30997158 | 09:01 |
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| bruce_lee | \(^_^)/ @all | 13:00 |
| bruce_lee | I can't make yappari/whatsApp work on my nokia n900 | 13:02 |
| bruce_lee | is yappari working for you guys? | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | because WA is broken | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | latest news are always in yappari thread on tmo | 13:03 |
| bruce_lee | what is "tmo"? | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | talk.maemo.org | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yappari is broken | 13:06 |
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| jon_y | bruce_lee: it is dead | 13:46 |
| jon_y | forever | 13:46 |
| jon_y | get an iphone :) | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | jon_y: ceene gave up? or did i miss anything | 13:47 |
| jon_y | KotCzarny: WA implemented end-to-end encryption | 13:47 |
| jon_y | if someone broke it, sure, we'll have compatibility :) | 13:47 |
| jon_y | *mandatory encryption | 13:48 |
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| KotCzarny | jon_y: yes, and ceene was working on it | 13:49 |
| jon_y | still working on it? | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | jon_y: didnt see him giving up yet | 13:49 |
| jon_y | huh I got the impression he stopped permanently | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | jon_y: link? | 13:50 |
| jon_y | let me get that | 13:50 |
| jon_y | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503625&postcount=1397 | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | jon_y: yeah, its a message about users not using yappari before he gets it working again and not to get banned | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | because WA bans just for a wrong client | 13:53 |
| jon_y | yep | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | but he didnt say he definitely dropped yappari | 13:53 |
| jon_y | I got the impression he meant something will replace it | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | it will still be called yappari if he fixes encryption and protocol | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | and you can see clearly in his message about that | 13:54 |
| jon_y | k | 13:54 |
| jon_y | oh well, no rush | 13:54 |
| jon_y | I've blocked most of my WA contacts anyway ;) | 13:55 |
| jon_y | insipid trash coming through otherwise | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 13:56 |
| jon_y | I have no idea if facebook will be like that too if I do setup an account | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | coers those good contacts to switch to telegram or jabber | 13:56 |
| jon_y | telegram? | 13:57 |
| jon_y | that telegram with the marconi set? | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | nope, modern app | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:57 |
| jon_y | huh, tell me more | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | ask other former-yappers | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | i use only irc | 13:58 |
| jon_y | jabber I know, but I doubt it will be easy to convince my friends to switch, since they have friends too that need convincing | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | quick google: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91888&highlight=telegram+client | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said, ask/google | 14:00 |
| jon_y | ok, never heard of it | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | i think its one of the bigger im services | 14:01 |
| jon_y | the service has a really generic name | 14:02 |
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| Vajb | jon_y: i use jabber, but no point since none other wont | 14:50 |
| Vajb | i switched back to sms | 14:50 |
| Vajb | now im that old grumby mofo who refuses to adopt new tech | 14:51 |
| Vajb | but there is jabber client for android and probably for other os as well | 14:51 |
| Vajb | i installed one to my tablet to see if it works and it does | 14:52 |
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| jon_y | Vajb: yeah well, friends are sending me pictures | 15:06 |
| jon_y | and the service provider 3G doesn't work | 15:07 |
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| Vajb | for me they started showing them straight from their phone screen's | 15:26 |
| jon_y | "3G service is not activated for this phone!" | 15:43 |
| jon_y | oh well | 15:43 |
| jon_y | I can live without mms | 15:43 |
| kerio | rip mms | 16:05 |
| ceene | jon_y: i haven't still given up, but i'm pretty near, to be honest | 16:06 |
| jon_y | ceene: care to share some technical details? :) | 16:06 |
| ceene | i got a french number from a fellow tmo user, so i'm using it to debug yappari | 16:06 |
| ceene | sure | 16:06 |
| ceene | there are two issues right now | 16:06 |
| ceene | one is that i've gotten banned at least once just because | 16:06 |
| ceene | the other one, that is make yappari completely useless | 16:07 |
| ceene | is that i can't get it to work with the ciphering protocol | 16:07 |
| jon_y | you found the cipher already? | 16:07 |
| ceene | for some reason i'm not able to acquire encryption keys of receipients | 16:07 |
| ceene | i've got an implementation that was supposedly working on sailfish | 16:07 |
| ceene | it's also very similar/identical to the one that yowsup uses | 16:08 |
| ceene | but there's something missing some place that i've yet to discover | 16:08 |
| jon_y | the keys are unique to each user? | 16:08 |
| jon_y | PGP style? | 16:08 |
| ceene | yes, not only that but they're also session keys | 16:08 |
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| ceene | so they change from time to time | 16:08 |
| jon_y | interesting | 16:08 |
| jon_y | btw, are there any plans to make it work with the web interface? | 16:09 |
| jon_y | it tells you to scan some QR code | 16:09 |
| ceene | https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepaper.pdf | 16:09 |
| ceene | no, not at all | 16:09 |
| jon_y | ok | 16:09 |
| ceene | i still got to make it simply work | 16:09 |
| ceene | so no new functionality at all unless the basics start working | 16:09 |
| jon_y | sure, I guess that can come later | 16:09 |
| jon_y | ceene: is it expected that Yappari crashes a few times during normal operations? | 16:10 |
| ceene | it is not expected for yappari to work at all | 16:10 |
| jon_y | mysterious exits | 16:10 |
| jon_y | I mean a few months back before the encryption kicked in | 16:11 |
| ceene | so if it somehow works for you... you really should stop using it, as you will get banned sooner or later | 16:11 |
| ceene | that's something that used to happen from time to time, yeah | 16:11 |
| ceene | it was almost completely fixed, though | 16:11 |
| jon_y | memory limitations? | 16:11 |
| ceene | but if you missed some update it's very easy that you suffered from that, yes | 16:11 |
| ceene | no, protocol mismatch | 16:12 |
| jon_y | oh ok, that explains | 16:12 |
| jon_y | since I don't update too often (or use yappari often) | 16:12 |
| jon_y | only found out about it being broken a month or so | 16:12 |
| jon_y | *a month or so ago | 16:13 |
| ceene | lucky you then :) | 16:13 |
| jon_y | yeah messages from busy muted contacts suddenly stopped :) | 16:13 |
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| jon_y | ceene: so, is there a way to check if you're banned without starting yappari? | 16:18 |
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| ceene | you can use yowsup | 16:29 |
| ceene | yowsup-cli registration -m MCC -n MNC -p PHONE -C CountryCode | 16:30 |
| ceene | it'll try to register your phone | 16:30 |
| ceene | if you receive the sms, everything's okay | 16:30 |
| ceene | that line is lacking -r sms at then | 16:30 |
| ceene | s/then/the end/ | 16:30 |
| infobot | ceene meant: that line is lacking -r sms at the end | 16:30 |
| ceene | if you're banned, yowsup will tell | 16:31 |
| ceene | status=fail, reason=blocked | 16:31 |
| ceene | or something like that | 16:31 |
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| jon_y | huh ok | 16:48 |
| jon_y | thanks ceene | 16:48 |
| jon_y | I need to find out what the MCC/MNC values are | 16:49 |
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| jon_y | ceene: INFO:yowsup.common.http.warequest:{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":0,"voice_wait":0} | 17:23 |
| jon_y | no route? | 17:23 |
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| ceene | i don't know the reason for that | 17:40 |
| ceene | it may be wrong mcc/mnc values | 17:40 |
| ceene | you should wait however 3600 seconds before trying again | 17:40 |
| ceene | or you may get banned if you're not already | 17:41 |
| jon_y | hmm ok | 17:52 |
| jon_y | ceene: does android/s40 matter? | 17:54 |
| bruce_lee | is it possible to use yowsub to write and read wa-messages? | 18:16 |
| ceene | jon_y: it shouldn't | 18:17 |
| ceene | bruce_lee: it should | 18:17 |
| jon_y | ok, still getting no_routes | 18:17 |
| jon_y | ceene: where do you store the password on the n900? | 18:18 |
| ceene | /home/user/.config/scorpius/yappari.conf | 18:20 |
| jon_y | thanks | 18:22 |
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| L29Ah | how do i SYNC THE TIME FUCKING NOW? | 18:36 |
| L29Ah | maemo's gsm syncing thing doesn't seem to work | 18:36 |
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| L29Ah | openntpd doesn't seem to work | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | sntp -s pool.ntp.org | 18:36 |
| L29Ah | `date` is too dump to eat http's timestamp | 18:37 |
| L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package sntp | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | it should be in ntpd package | 18:37 |
| L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package ntpd | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | you can also try rdate, but not all servers enable this older protocol | 18:38 |
| ceene | ntpdate | 18:39 |
| L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package rdate | 18:39 |
| L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package ntpdate | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | hehe, just grab etch package and unpack ntpdate from there | 18:39 |
| sunshavi | this works for me 'sudo rdate -s ptbtime1.ptb.de' | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | you will probably need one additional tiny package | 18:39 |
| L29Ah | maemo is dead :< | 18:40 |
| ceene | http://paste.debian.net/713217 | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | no, its not | 18:40 |
| ceene | maybe that | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | it's hacker's os | 18:40 |
| ceene | but it requires gpsd | 18:40 |
| L29Ah | -bash: gcc: command not found | 18:40 |
| L29Ah | gentoo is hacker's os | 18:41 |
| ceene | apt-get install easy-debian? | 18:41 |
| L29Ah | and maemo is just a rotten debian | 18:41 |
| ceene | time to go home! | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah, stop complaining and acting like a spoiled ubunter :P | 18:41 |
| L29Ah | in gentoo everything just works ;P | 18:42 |
| L29Ah | Wizzup: did you bring up a GUI btw? :] | 18:42 |
| L29Ah | Wizzup: where can i read about your gentoo? | 18:43 |
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| Wizzup | L29Ah: I have X, yeah. | 18:47 |
| Wizzup | L29Ah: I have a file with notes, didn't write a blog post yet | 18:48 |
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| KotCzarny | tkaiser: regarding sun upgrade, thats called technology progress | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | also, it would be nice to see how stable those sbc are | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | ie. if they burn out eventually due to constant activity | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | oneinsect: increase ramdisk size? | 21:07 |
| L29Ah | Wizzup: what about a touch-friendly app launcher and window manager? | 21:10 |
| Wizzup | nope, haven't had the time yet | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | drat, wrong chan again | 21:12 |
| L29Ah | i'd be nice if you post your notes to some wiki/vcs so i can jump in the fun someday :] | 21:12 |
| L29Ah | like https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 | 21:12 |
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| Wizzup | L29Ah: ok, right now I'm a bit busy/stressed, but I'll make a note to do it asap | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luke-jr: https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 !!! | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | ? | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just *read* the first 3 lines | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | ? | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are YOU "me"? | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | probably | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:29 |
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