IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2016-05-06

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sunshavimerlin_1991: I have a question about bluez 4.9904:42
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Oksanaachess-ui: played one game till checkmate, saved it, clicked Restart, played another game till checkmate, clicked Save, second game overwrote first one06:12
OksanaaNot User-Friendly At All, nufaa06:13
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VajbOksana: did you beat chess-ui?09:00
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OksanaIn what sense? Physically impossible09:09
OksanaAnd chess-wise, gnu-chess is unbeatable for most people09:09
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keriomost chess engines are, surely10:12
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Vajbi meant chess-wise and can agree that it is unbeatable by so far.10:24
KotCzarnyonly if you played it against itself and never had any other outcome than tie10:38
DocScrutinizer05hehe, one Nokia manager insisted in adding a particularly "easy" preset to maemo chess, because of that :-)10:44
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DocScrutinizer05pali, freemangordon: would you maybe like to talk to parazyd in #devuan about (and then (help to) do) a devuan-based maemo build on their infra?10:47
DocScrutinizer05just an idea10:47
kerioi don't think maemo has any relation with debian at the moment10:48
keriois there a devuan etch10:48
parazydyou would have a new systemd-free upstream10:48
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, afaik Pali is busy, and I am preparing IR TX patches for upstreaming, so don;t have much of a time as well10:48
DocScrutinizer05well, for now it's mainly about kernel, so it is irrelevant if we call it "maemo build" or "N900-devuan"10:48
parazydDocScrutinizer05: we still didn't put a armv6+armel target afaik for builds10:48
DocScrutinizer05parazyd: yep10:49
DocScrutinizer05that's why I suggested you and freemangordon and pali join forces10:49
keriois there an armv5tel devuan build yet10:49
keriofor ceres10:49
parazydonly armhf10:49
freemangordonparazyd: which kernel do you use?10:50
parazydceres has some problems, not able to install it now10:50
parazydtry ascii10:50
parazydfreemangordon: 4.4.8, why?10:50
parazydnote, i don't use devuan10:50
freemangordonparazyd: because 4.6 and (hopefully) 4.7 will have waaay better support of n90010:51
DocScrutinizer05courtesy freemangordon and pali10:51
freemangordonI am not sure 4.4.8 will have regulator fixes backported10:51
freemangordonand those are mandatory for stable peripheral devices operation10:52
freemangordonjust noting10:52
parazydwell, so far so good for me10:53
parazydbut really looking forward to "waaay better support" :))10:53
KotCzarnyis it me or if this mainline-n900 idea gets finished, prices of the n900 jump higher?10:54
kerioi should probably buy a new one actually10:54
keriothe lack of wifi is becoming annoying10:54
kerioand at this point it's either another n900 or an iphone 6s10:55
freemangordonparazyd: go to and search for Ivaylo Dimitrov in linux-next :)10:55
KotCzarnycan nfc be hacked to forward wifi?10:55
freemangordonKotCzarny: n speeds I guess ;D10:55
kerioor iphone 6s plus a pyra maybe10:55
freemangordonGF wants attention, /me is going AFK10:56
KotCzarnyname your girlfriend iphone gf10:57
KotCzarnyor my dearest droid10:57
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parazydfreemangordon: <borat>very nice!</borat>10:59
parazydi'm really looking forward to maemo6 or whatever you wanna call it11:00
DocScrutinizer05for sure not maemo6 since that's a moniker for harmattan11:02
KotCzarnymaemo5-cssu edition11:02
DocScrutinizer05maybe freemaemo1 ;-)11:03
DocScrutinizer05(harmattan) fubar in my book11:03
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
keriomaemo 711:04
keriofollowing the microsoft tradition of skipping problematic versions11:04
keriomaemo jessie?11:04
kerio(the planet)11:04
DocScrutinizer05so let's make this maemo16.1 (or 17.1)11:04
DocScrutinizer05I guess we have enough for the usual mess of project name vs public name vs abandoned but popular misnomers ;-P11:05
ceenecool maemo11:07
ceenebetter maemo11:07
keriodank maems11:07
parazydmeamo sounds dank11:07
ceenemeamo -> me amo transaltes to "i love myself" in spanish11:07
KotCzarnyor just devuan-n900.111:08
DocScrutinizer05that's a derivative :-)11:09
ceenei'll keep maemo name11:10
ceenefreemaemo sounds good11:10
ceeneis clear11:10
KotCzarnymy little maemo11:11
KotCzarnybut more seriously, unless it gets backported to 770/n8x0 it should differentiate from maemo itself11:12
KotCzarnyso it would be maemo/something11:12
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DocScrutinizer05driving devels of "sort(1)" mad, with maemo05, 005, 0005 for the release candidates, then maemo50, 500 aso for the incremental final versions ;-)11:15
keriosort -n11:15
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and you could use grep to find all files relating to e.g. the 000 version, like maemo0005 and maemo500011:19
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: maemo5-triple-oh11:20
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DocScrutinizer05<3 rsync11:23
DocScrutinizer05sent 109 bytes  received 1,105 bytes  809.33 bytes/sec11:23
DocScrutinizer05total size is 10,549,943,527  speedup is 8,690,233.5511:23
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ceenei've just received an Arty board12:28
sunshavikerio: use n900 as panu and have ur wireless connection. If that works I could move inmediately to that version whatever it is called12:31
kerioi do that12:31
kerioit's just annoying12:31
kerioand bluetooth pan is hella slow12:32
sunshavikerio: how many kbps in my case it is 100 kbps bluetooth access point is the n80012:32
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zamn900DocScrutinizer05, hello you12:51
zamn900what's up with whatsapp?12:51
DocScrutinizer05pleaase see chanlog12:51
zamn900infobot, what's chanlog12:52
DocScrutinizer05also I'm not involved into any whatsoup stuff12:52
DocScrutinizer05infobot: chanlog12:53
DocScrutinizer05doesn't know chanlog it seems12:53
zamn900 /chanlog12:53
zamn900infobot, learn chanlog please12:53
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys chanlog12:54
infobotFactoid search of 'chanlog' by key returned no results.12:54
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo chanlog is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0512:54
infobotrumour has it, chanlog is
infobotofficial maemo logs are at
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo chanlog is <reply>see log12:55
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0512:55
infobotofficial maemo logs are at
zamn900t h a n k y    U    infobot12:56
DocScrutinizer05she doesn't kno 1337speak12:57
DocScrutinizer05if you want to thank her, use proper english words12:58
DocScrutinizer05thanks infobot12:59
infobotno problem, DocScrutinizer0512:59
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zamn900infobot serve me the chanlog13:24
* infobot cooks up a 6 course meal, made from the very best ingredients and containing all the favorite foods of me the chanlog, and then serves it to me the chanlog on the best china & using the best crystal and silver13:24
zamn900that's not it13:25
zamn900call the chef infobot13:25
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Oksanaado any irrlicht-examples work on maemo 5? not to my knowledge... pure virtual method called, terminate called without an active exception, Aborted15:15
Oksanaaand, gnugo needs better icon for its shortcut. Having GUI would be even nicer, but that would be a separate package15:20
Oksanaaalso, isn't it poor habit to put executables into /opt/package/bin, instead of /opt/bin or /opt/usr/bin or other well-known directory?15:22
* Oksanaa is just annoyed as user at having to type full path to elf, instead of typing binary's name15:22
kerio/opt has no habit15:24
keriobut honestly, /opt/packagename is probably better15:25
Oksanaawhy? it's not like it's hidden file, to be used by system only and never seen by user15:26
Oksanaawell, if gnugo package had either its own gnugo.desktop , or a gui package with gnugogui.desktop , I would not have been complaining that much15:28
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DocScrutinizer05any binary in /opt is supposed to have a symlink in /usr/bin16:57
DocScrutinizer05literaly any16:57
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DocScrutinizer05unless it's similar to "lib" executables16:59
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