| Linkandzelda_ | iOS sucks, and android is boring | 00:06 |
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| Linkandzelda_ | 91% charged, almost ready to pull the plug | 00:06 |
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| Linkandzelda_ | yay 100% | 00:42 |
| Linkandzelda_ | DocScrutinizer05: time for me to monitor discharge | 00:42 |
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| Linkandzelda_ | DocScrutinizer05: idle, wifi on, no sim, screen off = -10/12 mA | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds decent | 00:51 |
| Linkandzelda_ | screen on same situation = -196/234 mA | 00:54 |
| Linkandzelda_ | seems normal | 00:55 |
| Linkandzelda_ | right? | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:56 |
| Linkandzelda_ | then whats the typical screen on time/tte with screen on + wifi? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen 80 + BL 150 | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that depends *massively* on brightness you've set, and possibly ambient light | 00:58 |
| Linkandzelda_ | max brightness | 00:58 |
| Linkandzelda_ | how do i turn off ambiant light or stop that processing? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Backlight on max +150 mA, +40mA on 4 of 5 steps in simple brightness applet & low ambient | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you basicall<y can't turn off ambient light processing | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's automatically off with brightness at level 5 (max) | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on levell4, see above | 01:00 |
| Linkandzelda_ | i see | 01:00 |
| Linkandzelda_ | well standby TTE is good, 6.3k mins | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds OK | 01:00 |
| Linkandzelda_ | on is between 300-360 | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5-6h sounds normal, yes | 01:01 |
| Linkandzelda_ | so 5-6 hours of usage | 01:01 |
| Linkandzelda_ | i guess with xchat and other processing, it would drop to 3-4 | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat is pretty lighweight | 01:01 |
| Linkandzelda_ | gonna turn on xchat and see | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption >>xchat 8 freenode chan, wifi PSM medium, screen locked:<< (author: me) | 01:02 |
| Linkandzelda_ | test | 01:02 |
| Linkandzelda_ | ok it works | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait a minute and I'll provide a live log with PSM max | 01:03 |
| Linkandzelda_ | tte dropped to 150-180 with just xchat | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 00:04 4173 100 100 -15 1028 1028 1028 65535 4044 27 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 00:04 4171 100 100 -16 1027 1027 1027 65535 3655 26 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 01:04 |
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| Linkandzelda | finally | 01:06 |
| Linkandzelda | my nick | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/45143997 | 01:07 |
| Linkandzelda | is that with stuff active? unplugged? screen on? xchat? wifi? | 01:07 |
| Linkandzelda | how lol | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | locked, wifi PSM | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course unplugged | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat see ps | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some 9 channels | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via ZNC | 01:09 |
| Linkandzelda | picked out the last minuytes and put it here with comments http://paste.opensuse.org/86715382 | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GSM standby on 3G | 01:09 |
| Linkandzelda | brightness level? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | locked | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW screen off | 01:10 |
| Linkandzelda | then i guess i need to reflash, something is eating something for sure | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got a decent 10mA with screen off | 01:11 |
| Linkandzelda | yes, thats good | 01:11 |
| Linkandzelda | just on isnt so good | 01:11 |
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| Linkandzelda | 3 hours of xchat lol | 01:11 |
| Linkandzelda | it dropped 5% just since i opened xchat | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, when screen is on, any active app will refresh the screen, so that eats more CPU | 01:12 |
| Linkandzelda | going to switch away from xchat and see if leaving it on the desktop changes much/anything | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your convenience I'll enable scree on | 01:12 |
| Linkandzelda | then i'll change to my second wifi, see if it makes any difference | 01:12 |
| Linkandzelda | screen on? | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/61422185 | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is with WLAN PSM:max | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | different PSM mode can have massive impact | 01:17 |
| Linkandzelda | hmm, so the first paste is screen off? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PSM max means the WLAN goes sleeping 200ms after a dat transmission (of which there happen a few with xchat). PSM medium means it takes 1000ms until WLAN goes sleeping | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | locked means screen off, yes | 01:19 |
| Linkandzelda | ok | 01:20 |
| Linkandzelda | now your numbers make more sense | 01:20 |
| Linkandzelda | im going to switch back to max psm | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | note that there are also other parameters regarding diplay which may have impact on screen-on consumption, like display energy saving, in conjunction with the actual colors and brightness your display shows | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus, for xchat, there are a few meters that get constantly updated and could save some CPU when disabled, iirc | 01:24 |
| Linkandzelda | what does display power saving mode do? just noticed i have it disabled | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus my ZNC bouncer might bundle several small packages into one larger transmission, thus causing less frequent wake from sleep for my WLAN | 01:25 |
| Linkandzelda | well, i have ZNC as well | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it adjusts backlight brightness according to display content | 01:25 |
| Linkandzelda | i see | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when your display is all black, no need to power backlight at full vroom | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when all is dim white, you dim backlight and make content full transparent/white | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you use different font and bg colors, this will have very subtle effects on BL power consumption | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB it's the brightest little pixel in the whole display that counts | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BL needs to be bright enough to make that one pixel shine | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | switch off that one pixel to black and the BL will dim accordingly | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there's a still and a movie mode, don't ask me what's the exact difference | 01:30 |
| Linkandzelda | does it have an effect on level 5? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway both conserve backlight energy | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter which brightness you've chosen, black is black. So when your complete display has black content, the BL will dim anyway since no light is supposed to come out no matter what | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | makes no sense to keep on the lights when you cover the lamp with a black curtain, eh? | 01:35 |
| Linkandzelda | makes sense | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we hw engineers are smart, we implöement stuff you never thought of ;-) | 01:36 |
| Linkandzelda | heh | 01:39 |
| Linkandzelda | btw, does your xchat sound script obey the profile settings? | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least silent | 01:39 |
| Linkandzelda | useful | 01:39 |
| Linkandzelda | i wanted to make a new profile for no-chat sounds but the rest | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not my script but maemo at large that does | 01:39 |
| Linkandzelda | so when i have xchat running and i have irc on my computer, the phone doesnt buzz | 01:40 |
| Linkandzelda | then i just switch profile when i want notifications | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you might query the profile setting from (prolly) gconftool and decide whether to play a sound or not, in my script | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be easy enough | 01:41 |
| Linkandzelda | ok, then i'll mess with that at some point | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /system/tweakr: | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | current-preset = dfltLaut | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want tweakr for that, to create new profile | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# gconftool --get /system/tweakr/current-preset | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dfltLaut | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /system/tweakr | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if [ `gconftool --get /system/tweakr/current-preset` != no-xchatsound-profile ]; then playsound $1; fi | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth along that line | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if [ `gconftool --get /system/tweakr/current-preset` == no-xchatsound-profile ]; then exit; fi | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's from maemo with love ;-) do that on any other phone! | 01:51 |
| Linkandzelda | nice! | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/15825398 gconftool -R /|less | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet there's even a way to augment all profile settings by an item "[x] xchat allowed to make noise in this profile", but that's somewhat more evolved | 01:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wishes he had actually implemented his general profile framework, back when | 01:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth that not only tweaks a few sound levels but also tweaks virtually everything you'd want, starting from brightness to themes etc | 01:58 |
| Linkandzelda | sounds like something useful | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it prolly would have been mad useful | 02:00 |
| Linkandzelda | wondering if its worth doing a reflash now or not | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see a reason for a reflash | 02:01 |
| Linkandzelda | i'd be better to just uninstall all the stuff i dont really need | 02:01 |
| Linkandzelda | and just to clarify, im still not sure on the best procedure to go when working with extras devel | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel: find an app you want, ideally in ~pkg, then enable-catalogs extras-devel, install the app package via HAM (or via apt-get if it's cmdline stuff), do enable-catalogs default | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrr | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively you first enable extras-devel, search the app inside HAM, install it, disable extras-devel. DO NOT UPDATE (all) in HAM while extras-devel enabled | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 02:17 |
| infobot | i guess pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 02:17 |
| Linkandzelda | so i should use that site to search for available stuff that i might want | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ideally | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or use HAM as mentioned above | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just in the latter case DO NOT UPDATE | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM will show you quite a number of packages that have updates, as soon as you enable extras-devel. You usually don't want those | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just install what you really want and immediately disable extras-devel catalog again, without updating those other packages | 02:20 |
| Linkandzelda | ok | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't get me wrong, there are also fine updates for some packages in extras.devel. Just that's not warranted by anybody or anything. So for each package you get from extras-devel you need to really know why you fetch it from there and not use a older version in maemo-extras instead | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the maemo-extras packages are supposed to be stable, the extras-devel packages are possibly hazardous | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~extras-devel | 02:25 |
| infobot | i guess extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 02:25 |
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| gry | i get this council elections mail and i have no clue what it is going to do | 06:31 |
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| gry | this 'community' word is something companies say to signify voice of the volunteers | 06:31 |
| gry | it stays around, and i feel weird about it | 06:32 |
| gry | which list is supposed to actually have news of substantial technical and planning things that happen at maemo? | 06:32 |
| gry | "maemo-community" is just about dead | 06:33 |
| gry | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_mailing_lists has a list, but it's just maemo, it's no longer the 'community vs nokia.com' separation; it's now the same thing | 06:33 |
| gry | i just subscribed to them all | 06:36 |
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| Oksana | It's community vs legal-entity, I think. | 06:52 |
| gry | they're sort of together | 06:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's we and Dr Who against the Daleks and the ubiquitous decay of time | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gry: tell us about your part of planning and technical that happens at your corner of maemo | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is not some entity, maemo is you and me and all those who are contributing | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and council is the office that coordinates whatever needs coordination, not more not less | 10:18 |
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| gry | DocScrutinizer05: i agree with you, i just feel a bit alienated by this 'community' word | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | may I offer a mailfilter that does a simple sed s/community/family/g ? ;-) | 10:27 |
| gry | i just don't use a word for describing a group of people, other than 'we' | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't feel happy with family either, used 'crowd' intead, or whatever you prefer | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the maemo we council. sounds funny | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but... why not. suggest a rename | 10:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least it would have an advantage that statements like "i've done so much for the community" would sound a bit weird with the new "I've done so much for us" | 10:31 |
| * Oksana applauds the weirdness of the conversation | 10:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how weird sounds this then: >> Since I've already put quite some efforts in the continuance of maemo society<< | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I've been wrong, no 'community' in there, instead yet another very new undefined term "society" | 10:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess it's not as far away as you might think, from what gry actually expects to see on ML. There is no magic entity that trows technical and planning decisions (SIC!) over the literal wall. Neither is council that entity nor does any other such entity exist. If people don't contribute by themselves, how can they expect contributions from somebody else regarding planning and technical stuff? | 10:41 |
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| bencoh | ooh right is that election time already? | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | exciting, isn't it? | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: yes | 11:38 |
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| ceene | i've got a patch for QT | 13:46 |
| ceene | that removes SSL3 | 13:46 |
| ceene | shall I send it to someone? | 13:46 |
| ceene | it allows some applications to work again | 13:47 |
| ceene | such as getmewheels, possibly Yappari | 13:47 |
| ceene | (well, Yappari has its own problems, but this is yet another one) | 13:47 |
| ceene | or is there any mailing lists on which i should propose this patch? | 13:48 |
| bencoh | qt4 is in base repo so I'd say cssu | 13:58 |
| ceene | and which is the right way to contact them? | 13:59 |
| freemangordon_ | ceene: the code is on github, fork it and request back merge | 14:00 |
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| ceene | ok | 14:00 |
| ceene | i'll try to make it as robust as possible, so it'll take me a while | 14:00 |
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| freemangordon_ | ok | 14:01 |
| ceene | so it doesn't break anything else | 14:01 |
| ceene | but it's basically overriding a + switch (configuration.protocol) { | 14:01 |
| ceene | to remove a couple cases | 14:01 |
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| KotCzarny | funny as it is, if one has arm device, having n900 build env is as simple as unpacking glibc and dpkg from fremantle/sdk repo | 14:14 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: care to elaborate? | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, simple chroot suffices to be able to build packages for n900 | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | no need for scratchbox, qemu, crosscompilers etc | 14:16 |
| Wizzup | :) | 14:16 |
| Wizzup | I'm considering getting a cello board, but I don't trust LeMaker... | 14:16 |
| Defiant | KotCzarny: whats the problem with qemu chroot? | 14:16 |
| Wizzup | http://www.96boards.org/products/ee/cello/ | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | defiant: i dont have any x86 devices running atm, but i have plenty of arm based ones | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: i'm considering opi+2 | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | 2gb of ram and h3 | 14:17 |
| Wizzup | But does it have proper SATA, PCI, DDR3 SO-DIMM slots? :) | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 14:18 |
| Wizzup | This is the AMD ARM thing | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, what is the price tag? | 14:19 |
| Wizzup | 300$ | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | vs 50$ for opi+2 | 14:19 |
| Wizzup | I recently get some tax returns | 14:19 |
| Wizzup | Link to the opi+2? | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | features or shop page? | 14:19 |
| Wizzup | either | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | http://linux-sunxi.org/Xunlong_Orange_Pi_Plus_2 | 14:20 |
| M4rtinK | note that the cello board should be SBSA & SBSB compatible IIRC | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | there is a lot of work in progres in h3 mainlining | 14:20 |
| M4rtinK | that can make quite a bit of difference on the distro support sanity side | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | usb-sata chip on opi+2 sucks, but is enough to connect ssd | 14:21 |
| M4rtinK | (https://czanik.blogs.balabit.com/2016/03/cello-the-first-affordable-64-bit-arm-server-board/) | 14:21 |
| Wizzup | But with the A1100 I can plug in an old radeon gpu - that seems like a win | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | if you need such thing | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | i like low power computing | 14:21 |
| Wizzup | M4rtinK: What is SBSA and SBSB? | 14:21 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: right, but I do all my daily work on ARM (chromebook laptop), and sometimes not having any gpu can be a pita | 14:22 |
| Wizzup | And this cello board seems like a nice dev machine | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | for gpu related tasks i have my pc box | 14:22 |
| Wizzup | M4rtinK: nvm, it is in the blog | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: I have no intel pc :) | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: try using an unaccelerated framebuffer | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | move a few windows, scroll in firefox | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | tell me how that fells | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | then imagine doing that for ~1-2 years :) | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | Some even basic 2d accel is definitely quite nice | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: if sbc supports g2d fbturbo works like a charm | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | Preparing to replace autoconf 2.61-8 (using autoconf_2.65-2~bpo50+1_all.deb) ... | 14:24 |
| Wizzup | allwinner g2d is not the same as the exynos g2d apparently | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | eat that you fricking debian deps hell | 14:24 |
| Wizzup | also, fbturbo doesn't work with xrandr | 14:24 |
| Wizzup | I am just using the modesetting driver | 14:24 |
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| KotCzarny | seriously, autoconf in extras/cssu should get upgraded to 2.65 | 14:29 |
| M4rtinK | Wizzup: sorry, got some connectivity issues | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK | Wizzup: so basically, SBSA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Base_System_Architecture | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK | Wizzup: the idea is that you can install a generic OS image on SBSA compliant boards | 14:31 |
| Wizzup | Cool | 14:31 |
| Wizzup | I mostly just compile my own kernels and use gentoo, so I wasn't too scared | 14:32 |
| Wizzup | but that's nice | 14:32 |
| M4rtinK | no need to have special images for each board & the image dosn't need to have intimate knowledge of the concrete board | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | m4rtink: that means some standard subset of drivers available? | 14:32 |
| M4rtinK | AFAIK its mostly about UEFI & ACPI being available | 14:32 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: a bit like bios, at least to be able to boot, then you can probe and load more drivers, I would assume | 14:32 |
| Wizzup | where right now you need a dts to be able to boot at all | 14:33 |
| M4rtinK | Wizzup: yep - that's it exactly | 14:33 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | so eeprom with dts | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | Is it possible to downclock the n900 to a very low freq -- IIRC what the pandora board also does | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | 125mhz is the lowest i think | 14:40 |
| Wizzup | (Not necessarily in maemo) | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | but is ignored afair | 14:41 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: I think the pandora could go to as low as a few Mhz | 14:41 |
| Wizzup | and I thought it was mostly the same soc | 14:41 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: http://www.pandorawiki.org/Power_modes#Low_Power | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | suspend to ram maybe? | 14:44 |
| Wizzup | That works on mainline, and I am also planning to use that | 14:45 |
| Wizzup | I'm working on a design doc (informal) on turning one of my n900s into a nice pda and dictophone, using s2r and the buttons effectively (I think you can disable irqs for quite some seperately) | 14:45 |
| Wizzup | I was just thinking of a mode where it is not doing anything except perhaps gps, and then a very low clock is fine | 14:46 |
| Wizzup | Since I don't plan on using the modem most of the time | 14:46 |
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| Oksanaa | Is it possible to download contents of letters to Modest, for offline reading? I just added a new account, and afaik modest downloaded only headers, not contents | 14:58 |
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| Oksanaa | Congratulations, trying to log modest only gave useless process 11214: arguments to dbus_bus_request_name() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name (name)" failed in file dbus-bus.c line 1070. | 15:15 |
| Oksanaa | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers#Debugging_the_connection_to_the_mail_server | 15:15 |
| Oksanaa | Internet is slow, battery is low | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | go2sleep? | 15:20 |
| * Oksanaa nods... | 15:22 | |
| Oksanaa | Any help with dowbloading contents of emails, and not just headers? | 15:23 |
| * Oksanaa got logs by exporting camel, but logs are tedious and seemingly useless | 15:23 | |
| KotCzarny | look for options that say 'download body/headers' ? | 15:26 |
| Sicelo | my modest downloads body. are you sure yours is not? | 15:30 |
| Oksanaa | Where? In Modest? It does not have human-friendly options, I think... But yes, it might be that obvious... | 15:30 |
| Oksanaa | Well, old account has bodies, new one doesn't for whatever reason | 15:30 |
| Oksanaa | I am vimming .modest/cache/mail/imap/account/folders/INBOX/ | 15:31 |
| Sicelo | modes caches email bodies | 15:31 |
| Sicelo | yes, there .. | 15:31 |
| Oksanaa | Old account has bodies, even for emails I haven't read (afair). New account only gets a body if I open a letter, and I want modest to auto-fetch bodies, not to manually click through them | 15:33 |
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| ceene | should i disable ssl2 and ssl3 ? | 16:27 |
| ceene | qt4 supports only sslv2, sslv3 and tlsv1 | 16:27 |
| ceene | 4.7 | 16:28 |
| ceene | i'm trying to do two things | 16:28 |
| ceene | 1.- a version of qt4.7 that simply disables flawed protocols. At least disable SSLv3, which is set as the default; maybe sslv2 too, and set TLSv1 as the default | 16:29 |
| ceene | 2.- on a different branch, i'm backporting sll code from qt4.8, so alongside openssl1.0.2 we can use tlsv1.* protocols | 16:29 |
| ceene | sslv2 is also flawed | 16:31 |
| ceene | so only tlsv1 | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | can you make it configurable? | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | even via gconf key? | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | or env variable | 16:32 |
| ceene | i'd rather not | 16:32 |
| ceene | too much work | 16:33 |
| ceene | and | 16:33 |
| ceene | SSL 2.0 is disabled by default, beginning with Internet Explorer 7,[181] Mozilla Firefox 2,[182] Opera 9.5,[183] and Safari | 16:33 |
| ceene | so | 16:33 |
| ceene | sslv2 is more than deprecated | 16:33 |
| ceene | and sslv3 is too a well, most servers now refuse to let you connect if you try to do ssl3 initial exchange | 16:33 |
| ceene | so... it's not like they a) provide security or b) can be used | 16:33 |
| KotCzarny | i think you have answered your own question then | 16:35 |
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| ceene | qt packages take 71 minutes to compile | 16:59 |
| ceene | that's too much | 16:59 |
| Linkandzelda | whats the best email client? | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | firefox | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now that's a funny question ;-) | 17:19 |
| Wizzup | Linkandzelda: for what | 17:20 |
| Wizzup | for mobile usage? touch friendlyness? security? features? | 17:20 |
| Linkandzelda | Wizzup: i tried the regular one, seems it puts a huge hit on my battery life | 17:21 |
| Wizzup | when on my n900, I ssh into a server and use alpine | 17:21 |
| Wizzup | on my laptop I use alpine and thunderbird | 17:21 |
| Wizzup | replace alpine with mutt if you wish | 17:21 |
| * Sicelo uses mutt right onhis N900 | 17:22 | |
| ceene | all those lack maemo integration :( | 17:23 |
| Sicelo | and Modest for EAS email | 17:23 |
| Linkandzelda | yea, i'd like maemo integration | 17:23 |
| ceene | i'd like a mail client that has access to my contacts, is able to notify me of incoming mail, etc, etc | 17:23 |
| ceene | but not modest | 17:24 |
| ceene | something usable | 17:24 |
| ceene | :P | 17:24 |
| Wizzup | Linkandzelda: modest is not bad, it's just that checking email often (being online) eats power | 17:28 |
| Linkandzelda | how does it do at checking every 5 mins? | 17:32 |
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| Wizzup | Linkandzelda: I would say that is very often | 17:33 |
| Wizzup | try setting it to once every hour or o | 17:33 |
| Linkandzelda | 30 mins i could live with | 17:33 |
| Wizzup | try that | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: access to contacts? notifications? sounds realy simple to implement into any arbitrary mail client | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | etc etc is a tad more demanding | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: if you're interested in 'contacts' topic: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact2 | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact if you like it more messy and simplistic | 18:04 |
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| KotCzarny | can you launch shell commands on new mail in mutt/alpine? | 18:22 |
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| KotCzarny | offtopic, compiling autoconf1.11, for ~5h now | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | s/autoconf/automake/ | 18:42 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: what are you compiling it on | 18:46 |
| Wizzup | Is the date on your device set correctly | 18:46 |
| Wizzup | Sounds like it is looping really | 18:46 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, it compiled quick, but fricking make check-TEST is slow and long | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | and its not looping, just awfully slow on sd card apparently | 18:47 |
| Wizzup | aah.. sd card.... | 18:49 |
| Wizzup | That is the reason I don't buy super cheap arm boards :) | 18:49 |
| Wizzup | The olimex ones have sata at least | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | nah, its super cheap sd card | 18:49 |
| Wizzup | I have found any SD card to be quite crap for compiling tasks | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | and it also has sata | 18:50 |
| Wizzup | but we went over this last time ;) | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | but it's my audio box, so it shouldnt be doing any chroot/compiling | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | just the fact i wanted to check my idea of using chroot instead of sb | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | and i could've simply used ./configure && make && make install on that automake1.11, but i wanted to try to build fremantle compatible .deb (to see how correct my idea was too) | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | so it's deb-src of lenny and compiling stuff | 18:52 |
| Vajb_ | sixwheeledbeast^: just found your ten minute core workout for boulderers and i am curious, if you are a climber as well? | 18:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Vajb_: yep | 18:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | well bouldering | 18:54 |
| Vajb_ | counts as climbing in my book | 18:55 |
| Vajb_ | i do boulder and sport mostly | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Vajb_: I don't do harnesses, I was dropped abseiling when I was younger and it put me off. | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Vajb_: mainly indoor now when I get time but do outdoor occasionally in the summer, sandstone mainly. BTW #bouldering ;) | 18:57 |
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| Vajb_ | hmm i better check that out ;) | 18:58 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | Vajb: BTW ten minute core was inspired by UK Female No1 that trains at our local indoor centre. | 19:02 |
| Vajb | sixwheeledbeast^: i will try it out someday | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 19:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | cool it's not a popular app but it WFM, if you use the "secure" feature make sure you know your lock code ;) | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | i hate debian build system for being so convoluted | 19:14 |
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| KotCzarny | automake (GNU automake) 1.11.1 | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | i hate dirty hacks | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | but oh-well[tm] | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | on the positive side package built under 30s | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | ffs, gfortran for libtool? | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 19:27 |
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| KotCzarny | /usr/bin/libtool: line 393: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sed: No such file or directory | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | funsies begin to creep in, time to trip the hedge | 19:40 |
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