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| ceene | i think there's gonna be a lot of n900 for sale at the end of 2016 | 11:31 |
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| bencoh | :( | 11:34 |
| ceene | i haven't taken a decision yet, but with coderus out of whatsapp development | 11:34 |
| ceene | i don't think i'll be able to continue | 11:35 |
| ceene | i think i could implement textsecure on our current version | 11:35 |
| ceene | and it may work fine until 2016 | 11:35 |
| ceene | but after that, i don't even think development will be possible at all, with the deprecation of java based implementations (s40) | 11:35 |
| Vajb | :( | 11:36 |
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| Vajb | is there any other working im client left after that? | 11:40 |
| ceene | there's telegram | 11:40 |
| ceene | jabber | 11:40 |
| ceene | via telepathy | 11:40 |
| ceene | there's pidgin, although i haven't found it to be very stable | 11:40 |
| Vajb | yes i have pidgin. Tried to get fb chat working via it, but didn't try anything else | 11:42 |
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| Wizzup | Is it possible to force the usb to host mode in the n900 kernel? I think I set the kernel to host mode, but the dts needs a change i think | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | probably in usb_otg_hs node, value mode = <2>; | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | but I'm not sure what other mode I should try | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I massively doubt that dirty hack we invented for hostmode in N900 will *ever* go upstream | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it also will never be useful for any other device | 15:04 |
| jon_y | there is no detection mechanism? | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not any useful one for the MUSB core | 15:08 |
| jon_y | hardware limitation? | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:08 |
| jon_y | ok | 15:08 |
| jon_y | I wish everything was upstreamed, get the latest linux 4.6-rc2 on the phone :) | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't get the MUSB core to enter hostmode when the signal "ID grounded" doesn't come up the ULPI from PHY | 15:09 |
| jon_y | well, at least get nice things like F2FS for flash storage | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 PHY doesn't support the software emulation mode for that signal | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus N900 never can have true hostmode, I implemented a emulation of hostmode, sort of | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with creative abuse of the MUSB core debug modes | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: so your answer is: it's not possible to force the USB to hostmode in N900 (hardware) | 15:13 |
| jon_y | forever stuck on 2.6.28 | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you can port H-E-N kernel patches to 4.x | 15:16 |
| jon_y | I can't remember if n900 even does ext4 | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does | 15:16 |
| jon_y | oh ok | 15:16 |
| jon_y | ext4 is pretty all-rounder even on flash | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (H-E-N) but don't hold your breath for that dirty hack ever going upstream | 15:17 |
| jon_y | lemme guess, camera and wifi doesn't work? | 15:17 |
| bencoh | wifi does iirc | 15:17 |
| bencoh | camera broke at some point | 15:17 |
| jon_y | ok, how about telephony? | 15:17 |
| bencoh | http://elinux.org/N900 | 15:17 |
| jon_y | put grsec in it for fun | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | telephony is a particularly sad topic on N900 | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in kernel update context | 15:18 |
| jon_y | opengl is alo never going to work on mainline? | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even when we might get a working cmtspeech device, the complete control of modem is basically out of sight afaik | 15:19 |
| jon_y | feature page also says alsa isn't upstreamed yet? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though ofono and FSO did implement the needed ISI command stack so it *might* work when somebody ports that stuff | 15:20 |
| bencoh | jon_y: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-custom-kernel.html | 15:21 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: actually, telephony isn't that bad on the kernel side | 15:22 |
| jon_y | nice | 15:22 |
| jon_y | feature wise, how does power5x compare to grsec version? | 15:23 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: kernel drivers are here, and some people hacked userland a bit to have it work | 15:23 |
| * jon_y doing kernel work as a job irl | 15:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're looking for a domain to work on: camera and freq-governor | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clock generation at large | 15:25 |
| jon_y | unfortunately, I doubt PCI(e) stuff is applicable for phones | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | camera is tricky since the bus is muxed between two sensors | 15:26 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: you should talk to pali and freemangordon | 15:26 |
| bencoh | woops | 15:27 |
| bencoh | jon_y: ^ | 15:27 |
| jon_y | :) | 15:27 |
| jon_y | I know next to nothing for ARM architecture | 15:27 |
| jon_y | or OMAP3 | 15:27 |
| bencoh | if you're used to kernel dev I'm sure this wont be a big deal :) | 15:27 |
| jon_y | k | 15:28 |
| jon_y | whats the best way to debug code if you don't have a guinea pig n900? | 15:28 |
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| bencoh | good question, I've never dived into it because I only have one as well | 15:30 |
| jon_y | I'm pretty impressed with grsec, using it on my workstation in the office | 15:31 |
| jon_y | especially runtime disabling of USB | 15:31 |
| jon_y | badusb is bad | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: qemu | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc even bootloader works in qemu | 15:32 |
| jon_y | last I checked n900 qemu wasn't mainlined | 15:32 |
| jon_y | or was it | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he and pali do that all the time | 15:33 |
| jon_y | freemangordon: is it in mainline qemu? | 15:33 |
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| jon_y | not sure what feature can be developed for it | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-03-27 Sun 19:55:48] <freemangordon> with that change there is no more error in qemu, going to test on the device | 15:34 |
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| zGrr | moin | 15:44 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I don't think your answer is relevant for mainline | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | I didn't mention that I was working on mainline | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | but I don't think your answer is correct or relevant here | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | bbiab. | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: which answer? the answer that N900 *cannot* do hostmode? that's relevant for each N900 no matter which OS | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | H-E-N is a dirty hack and about as close to hostmode as it gets, but it's not a correct complete hostmode | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should know, I "invented" it | 16:04 |
| jon_y | file a patent :) | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patent how to shoot your own foot? | 16:05 |
| jon_y | sure, it is a patent-able concept | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patent how to drive in a car where manuf forgot to mount 4th wheel? | 16:06 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: there is a musb controller | 16:06 |
| ceene | seems like a pretty useful thing indeed | 16:06 |
| Wizzup | and it seems like you can do hostmode with h-e-n | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: so what? | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 16:06 |
| Wizzup | so if you the usb node into host mode in the kernel, and set it, it should work | 16:06 |
| Wizzup | Pali also said it worked. | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | I just want to reproduce what he did | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OHMY!! pali did what I shown him | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's FAKE! | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this is no hostmode, this is a dirty hack | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | Please stop. | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | This is not productive to my original question at all | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | I wasn't asking about the maemo kernel hack | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tld you N900 cannot do hostmode, so that H-E-N hack I invented will never go upstream | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | I would agree that it cannot do otg | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there's no other way than H-E-N hack to get anything remotely resembling hostmode on N900 | 16:09 |
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| Wizzup | musb has been changed a lot for many socs, and the device tree nodes allow you to specify the mode in which musb code operates | 16:10 |
| Wizzup | I would be very surprised if it is not possible, but I'll wait for Pali to pop by | 16:10 |
| Wizzup | IIRC he said it worked for him some time ago | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the MUSB core hardware stae machine doesn't enter hostmode unless signalled a "ID-pin grounded" from PHY. N900 phy can't do that | 16:10 |
| Wizzup | You can easily wire that up in the dts I believe. | 16:10 |
| Wizzup | I also hacked that together in olimex boards | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, Pali just re-implemented H-E-N which been invented and developed by a team lead by me | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | either way, I have to go back to some meetings | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no you can't | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | do you realise I am only talking about mainline? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you realize I only talk about N900 | 16:11 |
| * Wizzup sighs | 16:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HARDWARE | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | I'll wait for pali to come by | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | Yes, I read that | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do whatever you want, pali will tell you to ask me | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | I don't care if the 'hen hack' can be mainlined or not, it still seems very doable from sw, as the 'hack' proved | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it IS A HACK that does no real hostmode | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes it could work on all mentorgraphics MUSB cores, but it can't do speed negotiation and automatic ENUM | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a hw limitation of MG MUSBcore | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | ack | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for proper hw design that has ID pin wired (or knows the software emu for "ID grounded" in PHY) it's absolutely useless | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you won't force MUSB core into hostmode by any software means other than via PHY emulation of "ID grounded" | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what H-E-N does is debug mode which is a pathetic fake of a hostmode | 16:17 |
| Wizzup | yes, but that debug entry is no longer available | 16:17 |
| Wizzup | I think, in mainline kernel | 16:18 |
| Wizzup | what is what I wanted to ask Pali | 16:18 |
| Wizzup | what -> that | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it never will go upstream I guess | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's way too dirty and hacky and fringe case only applicable to one particular device | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't belong into kernel really, unless you can't do proper hostmode | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so this is a specific N900 kernel hack | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc *particularly* Pali's implemetation that's way more kernel-centric than mine which does most stuff in userland | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali's hostmode tries to automate what user does in MohammadAG's H-E-N control gui with my kernel hack | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never looked into it | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in RL | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here you are: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685367#post685367 | 16:26 |
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| kerio | yeah but surely we could get the debug entry in mainline | 16:47 |
| kerio | without *doing* stuff with it | 16:47 |
| kerio | so that a clean-ish implementation of H-E-N would work | 16:47 |
| jon_y | /sys/kernel/debug/hen/mode? :) | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ack | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that would basically be the more early implementations of original H-E-N kernel patches | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though there are still a few hacks that are unrelated, since the H-E-N hostmode uses OTG software which for example explicitly forbids USB hubs in upstream version, without my dirty hacks | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for power negotiation during ENUM | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually that's completely unsolved/neglected in H-E-N, we simply shut it off | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OTG specs say that devices negotiate a power requirement of iirc up to 100mA(!) | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 hostmode has that disabled | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it simply ignores any power requirement announced by attached peripheral | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...since you (driver) don't know about external VBUS supplies via Y-cable anyway | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that's actually pretty impossible to solve in kernel space, and even a hack massively breaks the specs of USB | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in H-E-N booston script takes care about that stuff | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it checks if booster has an errorcondition | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like overcurrent or batery undervoltage or overheating | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | booster however is in power/regulators domain, not USB domain, so in kernel you get nasty dependencies and possibly even layering conflicts | 17:10 |
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| kerio | if only nokia didn't drop OTG just to release early ._. | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 17:13 |
| kerio | also if only they didn't fuck up the musb port solder | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, they did a hw choice with PHY1707 which isn't made for hostmode | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that was afaik necessary because of a SiErr in TWL4030 | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which fucked up charging | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so s/TWL4030 PHY/1707 PHY/ --> no sw ID pin handling --> no proper hostmode | 17:16 |
| kerio | :( | 17:17 |
| kerio | well they could've found something else | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly you could port forward a lot of needed kernel bits for hiostmode from N810 kernel | 17:17 |
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| freemangordon | jon_y: no, you need linaro version | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: it is a bit tricky to install it on newer distros, but I use it here on Ubuntu 14.04 so it is not impossible | 19:10 |
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| xes | is anyone able to decode PDU data in /var/spool/sms/incoming/ blobs? Do we have any tool for this in maemo's repo? | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: I once wrote such tool, nfc where it went to | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/smscb.py | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ afk | 19:39 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 19:43 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: ^^ this listens and decodes the cell brodcast arrays of hex. Isn't it? | 20:02 |
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| Pali | hi! if somebody uses wpa-eap/enterprise on n900 I have something interesting! | 22:18 |
| Pali | fixed autoconnect support! | 22:18 |
| Pali | it is in cssu-devel: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1502805#post1502805 | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: yes | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PDUs are supposed to be similar though | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CB is multicast SMS | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: \o/ | 22:50 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon, Pali: great to see the audio problem being fixed in some form (saw the patch) | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: CB has a channel number though | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want to ignaore that for plain SMS, I guess | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's also some message type which I dunno if I took care about that | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the plain PDU 8/7 encoding is similar | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather: identical | 22:55 |
| Pali | Wizzup: hm? which patch? | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | Pali: "Nokia N900 - audio TPA6130A2 problems" | 23:00 |
| Pali | ah, right | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | p.s. have you gotten ofono to work? and/or the modem/3g? | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | I've been struggling to get data to work on mainline, but that is not using maemo, but gentoo rather | 23:01 |
| Pali | ofono should work | 23:01 |
| Pali | pavelm already uses voice calls... | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | I saw that. But didn't see how he did it. | 23:02 |
| Wizzup | I | 23:02 |
| Wizzup | I'd like to try it as well. | 23:02 |
| Pali | maybe you can contant him and ask | 23:03 |
| Wizzup | ACK | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=558430&postcount=57 | 23:10 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: you can find some (scarse) info on his blog and his libcmtspeech repository | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: that audio problem exists only when device is rebooted from stock kernel, so it is not really a show-stopper | 23:14 |
| Wizzup | yes, I know, just happy to see the progress | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | yeah. the next one going to be solved is that device cannot be rebooted/powered down | 23:15 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: https://www.gitorious.org/libcmtspeechdata/libcmtspeechdata.git/ | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: hmm, not really :) | 23:16 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: not really what? | 23:16 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: That doesn't work? I think it works for me | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: https://github.com/community-ssu/cmtspeech | 23:16 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: ack - thanks | 23:17 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: yeah that's "ours", but looks like he hacked it a bit | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | could be, but "ours" is as close to what we have in fremantle as possible. and this is supposed to work with bb5 in n900 | 23:17 |
| Wizzup | bb5? | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: the modem in n900 | 23:19 |
| Wizzup | ack | 23:19 |
| Wizzup | I still have toruble probing n900-modem successfully | 23:20 |
| Wizzup | but I'll search for some doc first | 23:21 |
| bencoh | I still wonder why they didn't choose ofono for maemo | 23:25 |
| Wizzup | Maybe it wasn't ready at the time | 23:25 |
| bencoh | especially considering http://www.remlab.net/op/maemo2009.pdf | 23:26 |
| bencoh | (hmm this thing is actually pretty nice to get the big picture of how telephony works on maemo) | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: >>that audio problem exists only when device is rebooted from stock kernel // cannot be rebooted/powered down<< now that's sounding interesting for me :-D | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both sound like sticky states in hw | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, both are bugs in mainline kernel :) | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first maybe modem PCN interface initialization, second about boot | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PCM | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, a audio bug that only appears when you warmboot into mainline kernel from stock kernel is for sure a kernel bug, but a very inbteresting one | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: (second one) http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg138479.html | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: (audio bug) https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/3/26/22 | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | double-ta | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (first one) so the device doesn't start up again after shutdown, but it doesn't really finsih shutdown? | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | it doesn't finish the shutdown, because there is a kernel oops in the process | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it's off my radar of interesting bugs | 23:38 |
| jonwil | hi | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: hi! | 23:47 |
| jonwil | Any interesting news in the n[eo]900 community? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi jonwil! long time no see :-) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: maybe interesting: Devuan seems very interested in Neo900 | 23:50 |
| jonwil | Devuan is? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: plus the "usual" good news, like Pali and freemangordon constantly improving kernel support | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | devuan.org | 23:51 |
| jonwil | ok | 23:51 |
| jonwil | good to know kernel is getting better | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /join #devuan | 23:51 |
| kerio | jonwil: devuan is debian with sysvinit-core | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, devuan is debian without systemd cancer | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with freedom of choice instead | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | Pali: while we are at it, is there anything else to be fixed in mainline (besides that div-by-zero I cannot pull myself together to work on)? | 23:55 |
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| kerio | Pali: why can't uboot boot a kernel+initrd without the uboot header? :( | 23:56 |
| Pali | freemangordon: non working sre's version of bluetooth driver :-) | 23:58 |
| Pali | or camera/isp | 23:59 |
| Pali | (front camera is already in mainline) | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW devuan is what maemo must get based on, now that debian is systemd-infested | 23:59 |
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