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infobotYou cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2016.04.04  2:07:38 GMT)05:07
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DocScrutinizer05I don't even understand what she's talking about05:08
infobotI'm sexless05:12
infobotI'm male05:13
infobotI'm female05:13
DocScrutinizer05poor schizoid bot05:13
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azkayAnyone worked with http stuff in qt?09:12
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ceenei think there's gonna be a lot of n900 for sale at the end of 201611:31
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ceenei haven't taken a decision yet, but with coderus out of whatsapp development11:34
ceenei don't think i'll be able to continue11:35
ceenei think i could implement textsecure on our current version11:35
ceeneand it may work fine until 201611:35
ceenebut after that, i don't even think development will be possible at all, with the deprecation of java based implementations (s40)11:35
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Vajbis there any other working im client left after that?11:40
ceenethere's telegram11:40
ceenevia telepathy11:40
ceenethere's pidgin, although i haven't found it to be very stable11:40
Vajbyes i have pidgin. Tried to get fb chat working via it, but didn't try anything else11:42
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auenfpeople still use whatsapp?12:33
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bencohsome do, yeah12:38
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MaxdamantusWait, that's not right.13:21
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WizzupIs it possible to force the usb to host mode in the n900 kernel? I think I set the kernel to host mode, but the dts needs a change i think14:33
Wizzupprobably in usb_otg_hs node, value     mode = <2>;14:33
Wizzupbut I'm not sure what other mode I should try14:33
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DocScrutinizer05I massively doubt that dirty hack we invented for hostmode in N900 will *ever* go upstream15:03
DocScrutinizer05it also will never be useful for any other device15:04
jon_ythere is no detection mechanism?15:07
DocScrutinizer05not any useful one for the MUSB core15:08
jon_yhardware limitation?15:08
jon_yI wish everything was upstreamed, get the latest linux 4.6-rc2 on the phone :)15:09
DocScrutinizer05you can't get the MUSB core to enter hostmode when the signal "ID grounded" doesn't come up the ULPI from PHY15:09
jon_ywell, at least get nice things like F2FS for flash storage15:10
DocScrutinizer05N900 PHY doesn't support the software emulation mode for that signal15:10
DocScrutinizer05thus N900 never can have true hostmode, I implemented a emulation of hostmode, sort of15:11
DocScrutinizer05with creative abuse of the MUSB core debug modes15:11
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: so your answer is: it's not possible to force the USB to hostmode in N900 (hardware)15:13
jon_yforever stuck on 2.6.2815:15
DocScrutinizer05well, you can port H-E-N kernel patches to 4.x15:16
jon_yI can't remember if n900 even does ext415:16
DocScrutinizer05it does15:16
jon_yoh ok15:16
jon_yext4 is pretty all-rounder even on flash15:16
DocScrutinizer05(H-E-N) but don't hold your breath for that dirty hack ever going upstream15:17
jon_ylemme guess, camera and wifi doesn't work?15:17
bencohwifi does iirc15:17
bencohcamera broke at some point15:17
jon_yok, how about telephony?15:17
jon_yput grsec in it for fun15:18
DocScrutinizer05telephony is a particularly sad topic on N90015:18
DocScrutinizer05in kernel update context15:18
jon_yopengl is alo never going to work on mainline?15:19
DocScrutinizer05even when we might get a working cmtspeech device, the complete control of modem is basically out of sight afaik15:19
jon_yfeature page also says alsa isn't upstreamed yet?15:20
DocScrutinizer05though ofono and FSO did implement the needed ISI command stack so it *might* work when somebody ports that stuff15:20
bencohDocScrutinizer05: actually, telephony isn't that bad on the kernel side15:22
jon_yfeature wise, how does power5x compare to grsec version?15:23
bencohDocScrutinizer05: kernel drivers are here, and some people hacked userland a bit to have it work15:23
* jon_y doing kernel work as a job irl15:24
DocScrutinizer05if you're looking for a domain to work on: camera and freq-governor15:25
DocScrutinizer05clock generation at large15:25
jon_yunfortunately, I doubt PCI(e) stuff is applicable for phones15:26
DocScrutinizer05camera is tricky since the bus is muxed between two sensors15:26
bencohDocScrutinizer05: you should talk to pali and freemangordon15:26
bencohjon_y: ^15:27
jon_yI know next to nothing for ARM architecture15:27
jon_yor OMAP315:27
bencohif you're used to kernel dev I'm sure this wont be a big deal :)15:27
jon_ywhats the best way to debug code if you don't have a guinea pig n900?15:28
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bencohgood question, I've never dived into it because I only have one as well15:30
jon_yI'm pretty impressed with grsec, using it on my workstation in the office15:31
jon_yespecially runtime disabling of USB15:31
jon_ybadusb is bad15:32
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: qemu15:32
DocScrutinizer05iirc even bootloader works in qemu15:32
jon_ylast I checked n900 qemu wasn't mainlined15:32
jon_yor was it15:32
DocScrutinizer05ask freemangordon15:33
DocScrutinizer05he and pali do that all the time15:33
jon_yfreemangordon: is it in mainline qemu?15:33
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jon_ynot sure what feature can be developed for it15:33
DocScrutinizer05[2016-03-27 Sun 19:55:48] <freemangordon> with that change there is no more error in qemu, going to test on the device15:34
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WizzupDocScrutinizer05: I don't think your answer is relevant for mainline15:58
WizzupI didn't mention that I was working on mainline15:58
Wizzupbut I don't think your answer is correct or relevant here15:58
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: which answer? the answer that N900 *cannot* do hostmode? that's relevant for each N900 no matter which OS16:03
DocScrutinizer05H-E-N is a dirty hack and about as close to hostmode as it gets, but it's not a correct complete hostmode16:04
DocScrutinizer05I should know, I "invented" it16:04
jon_yfile a patent :)16:05
DocScrutinizer05patent how to shoot your own foot?16:05
jon_ysure, it is a patent-able concept16:06
DocScrutinizer05patent how to drive in a car where manuf forgot to mount 4th wheel?16:06
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: there is a musb controller16:06
ceeneseems like a pretty useful thing indeed16:06
Wizzupand it seems like you can do hostmode with h-e-n16:06
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: so what?16:06
Wizzupso if you the usb node into host mode in the kernel, and set it, it should work16:06
WizzupPali also said it worked.16:07
DocScrutinizer05you can't16:07
WizzupI just want to reproduce what he did16:07
DocScrutinizer05OHMY!! pali did what I shown him16:07
DocScrutinizer05it's FAKE!16:07
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DocScrutinizer05this is no hostmode, this is a dirty hack16:07
WizzupPlease stop.16:07
WizzupThis is not productive to my original question at all16:08
WizzupI wasn't asking about the maemo kernel hack16:08
DocScrutinizer05I tld you N900 cannot do hostmode, so that H-E-N hack I invented will never go upstream16:08
WizzupI would agree that it cannot do otg16:08
DocScrutinizer05and there's no other way than H-E-N hack to get anything remotely resembling hostmode on N90016:09
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Wizzupmusb has been changed a lot for many socs, and the device tree nodes allow you to specify the mode in which musb code operates16:10
WizzupI would be very surprised if it is not possible, but I'll wait for Pali to pop by16:10
WizzupIIRC he said it worked for him some time ago16:10
DocScrutinizer05the MUSB core hardware stae machine doesn't enter hostmode unless signalled a "ID-pin grounded" from PHY. N900 phy can't do that16:10
WizzupYou can easily wire that up in the dts I believe.16:10
WizzupI also hacked that together in olimex boards16:10
DocScrutinizer05again, Pali just re-implemented H-E-N which been invented and developed by a team lead by me16:11
Wizzupeither way, I have to go back to some meetings16:11
DocScrutinizer05no you can't16:11
Wizzupdo you realise I am only talking about mainline?16:11
DocScrutinizer05do you realize I only talk about N90016:11
* Wizzup sighs16:11
WizzupI'll wait for pali to come by16:11
WizzupYes, I read that16:11
DocScrutinizer05do whatever you want, pali will tell you to ask me16:11
WizzupI don't care if the 'hen hack' can be mainlined or not, it still seems very doable from sw, as the 'hack' proved16:12
DocScrutinizer05it IS A HACK that does no real hostmode16:13
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DocScrutinizer05yes it could work on all mentorgraphics MUSB cores, but it can't do speed negotiation and automatic ENUM16:14
DocScrutinizer05that's a hw limitation of MG MUSBcore16:14
DocScrutinizer05and for proper hw design that has ID pin wired (or knows the software emu for "ID grounded" in PHY) it's absolutely useless16:15
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DocScrutinizer05anyway you won't force MUSB core into hostmode by any software means other than via PHY emulation of "ID grounded"16:16
DocScrutinizer05what H-E-N does  is debug mode which is a pathetic fake of a hostmode16:17
Wizzupyes, but that debug entry is no longer available16:17
WizzupI think, in mainline kernel16:18
Wizzupwhat is what I wanted to ask Pali16:18
Wizzupwhat -> that16:18
DocScrutinizer05it never will go upstream I guess16:20
DocScrutinizer05it's way too dirty and hacky and fringe case only applicable to one particular device16:20
DocScrutinizer05and it doesn't belong into kernel really, unless you can't do proper hostmode16:21
DocScrutinizer05so this is a specific N900 kernel hack16:22
DocScrutinizer05iirc *particularly* Pali's implemetation that's way more kernel-centric than mine which does most stuff in userland16:22
DocScrutinizer05Pali's hostmode tries to automate what user does in MohammadAG's H-E-N control gui with my kernel hack16:24
DocScrutinizer05never looked into it16:25
DocScrutinizer05in RL16:25
DocScrutinizer05here you are:
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kerioyeah but surely we could get the debug entry in mainline16:47
keriowithout *doing* stuff with it16:47
kerioso that a clean-ish implementation of H-E-N would work16:47
jon_y/sys/kernel/debug/hen/mode? :)16:48
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: ack17:00
DocScrutinizer05that would basically be the more early implementations of original H-E-N kernel patches17:01
DocScrutinizer05though there are still a few hacks that are unrelated, since the H-E-N hostmode uses OTG software which for example explicitly forbids USB hubs in upstream version, without my dirty hacks17:03
DocScrutinizer05same for power negotiation during ENUM17:03
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DocScrutinizer05actually that's completely unsolved/neglected in H-E-N, we simply shut it off17:04
DocScrutinizer05OTG specs say that devices negotiate a power requirement of iirc up to 100mA(!)17:05
DocScrutinizer05N900 hostmode has that disabled17:05
DocScrutinizer05it simply ignores any power requirement announced by attached peripheral17:05
DocScrutinizer05...since you (driver) don't know about external VBUS supplies via Y-cable anyway17:06
DocScrutinizer05so that's actually pretty impossible to solve in kernel space, and even a hack massively breaks the specs of USB17:07
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DocScrutinizer05in H-E-N booston script takes care about that stuff17:08
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DocScrutinizer05it checks if booster has an errorcondition17:08
DocScrutinizer05like overcurrent or batery undervoltage or overheating17:08
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DocScrutinizer05booster however is in power/regulators domain, not USB domain, so in kernel you get nasty dependencies and possibly even layering conflicts17:10
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kerioif only nokia didn't drop OTG just to release early ._.17:13
kerioalso if only they didn't fuck up the musb port solder17:13
DocScrutinizer05well, they did a hw choice with PHY1707 which isn't made for hostmode17:14
DocScrutinizer05and that was afaik necessary because of a SiErr in TWL403017:14
DocScrutinizer05which fucked up charging17:15
DocScrutinizer05so s/TWL4030 PHY/1707 PHY/  --> no sw ID pin handling  --> no proper hostmode17:16
keriowell they could've found something else17:17
DocScrutinizer05prolly you could port forward a lot of needed kernel bits for hiostmode from N810 kernel17:17
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freemangordonjon_y: no, you need linaro version19:09
freemangordonjon_y: it is a bit tricky to install it on newer distros, but I use it here on Ubuntu 14.04 so it is not impossible19:10
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xesis anyone able to decode PDU data in /var/spool/sms/incoming/ blobs? Do we have any tool for this in maemo's repo?19:26
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DocScrutinizer05xes: I once wrote such tool, nfc where it went to19:36
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DocScrutinizer05o/ afk19:39
xesDocScrutinizer05: thanks19:43
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xesDocScrutinizer05: ^^ this listens and decodes the cell brodcast arrays of hex. Isn't it?20:02
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Palihi! if somebody uses wpa-eap/enterprise on n900 I have something interesting!22:18
Palifixed autoconnect support!22:18
Paliit is in cssu-devel:
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DocScrutinizer05xes: yes22:49
DocScrutinizer05PDUs are supposed to be similar though22:49
DocScrutinizer05CB is multicast SMS22:50
DocScrutinizer05Pali: \o/22:50
Wizzupfreemangordon, Pali: great to see the audio problem being fixed in some form (saw the patch)22:51
DocScrutinizer05xes: CB has a channel number though22:53
DocScrutinizer05you want to ignaore that for plain SMS, I guess22:53
DocScrutinizer05there's also some message type which I dunno if I took care about that22:54
DocScrutinizer05anyway the plain PDU 8/7 encoding is similar22:55
DocScrutinizer05rather: identical22:55
PaliWizzup: hm? which patch?23:00
WizzupPali: "Nokia N900 - audio TPA6130A2 problems"23:00
Paliah, right23:00
Wizzupp.s. have you gotten ofono to work? and/or the modem/3g?23:01
WizzupI've been struggling to get data to work on mainline, but that is not using maemo, but gentoo rather23:01
Paliofono should work23:01
Palipavelm already uses voice calls...23:01
WizzupI saw that. But didn't see how he did it.23:02
WizzupI'd like to try it as well.23:02
Palimaybe you can contant him and ask23:03
bencohWizzup: you can find some (scarse) info on his blog and his libcmtspeech repository23:12
freemangordonWizzup: that audio problem exists only when device is rebooted from stock kernel, so it is not really a show-stopper23:14
Wizzupyes, I know, just happy to see the progress23:14
freemangordonyeah. the next one going to be solved is that device cannot be rebooted/powered down23:15
freemangordonbencoh: hmm, not really :)23:16
bencohfreemangordon: not really what?23:16
Wizzupfreemangordon: That doesn't work? I think it works for me23:16
Wizzupbencoh: ack - thanks23:17
bencohfreemangordon: yeah that's "ours", but looks like he hacked it a bit23:17
freemangordoncould be, but "ours" is as close to what we have in fremantle as possible. and this is supposed to work with bb5 in n90023:17
freemangordonWizzup: the modem in n90023:19
WizzupI still have toruble probing n900-modem successfully23:20
Wizzupbut I'll search for some doc first23:21
bencohI still wonder why they didn't choose ofono for maemo23:25
WizzupMaybe it wasn't ready at the time23:25
bencohespecially considering
bencoh(hmm this thing is actually pretty nice to get the big picture of how telephony works on maemo)23:27
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: >>that audio problem exists only when device is rebooted from stock kernel // cannot be rebooted/powered down<< now that's sounding interesting for me :-D23:33
DocScrutinizer05both sound like sticky states in hw23:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no, both are bugs in mainline kernel :)23:34
DocScrutinizer05first maybe modem PCN interface initialization, second about boot23:34
DocScrutinizer05well, a audio bug that only appears when you warmboot into mainline kernel from stock kernel is for sure a kernel bug, but a very inbteresting one23:35
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: (second one)
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: (audio bug)
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DocScrutinizer05(first one) so the device doesn't start up again after shutdown, but it doesn't really finsih shutdown?23:37
freemangordonit doesn't finish the shutdown, because there is a kernel oops in the process23:38
DocScrutinizer05then it's off my radar of interesting bugs23:38
freemangordonjonwil: hi!23:47
jonwilAny interesting news in the n[eo]900 community?23:48
DocScrutinizer05hi jonwil! long time no see :-)23:49
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: maybe interesting: Devuan seems very interested in Neo90023:50
jonwilDevuan is?23:51
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: plus the "usual" good news, like Pali and freemangordon constantly improving kernel support23:51
jonwilgood to know kernel is getting better23:51
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keriojonwil: devuan is debian with sysvinit-core23:52
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DocScrutinizer05no, devuan is debian without systemd cancer23:54
DocScrutinizer05with freedom of choice instead23:55
freemangordonPali: while we are at it, is there anything else to be fixed in mainline (besides that div-by-zero I cannot pull myself together to work on)?23:55
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kerioPali: why can't uboot boot a kernel+initrd without the uboot header? :(23:56
Palifreemangordon: non working sre's version of bluetooth driver :-)23:58
Palior camera/isp23:59
Pali(front camera is already in mainline)23:59
DocScrutinizer05IOW devuan is what maemo must get based on, now that debian is systemd-infested23:59

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