IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2016-03-30

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bluto271828Hi. Ok already 2 really quick questions. (1) batteries. I see PolarCell was the conclusion in late 2010 and seems still - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568&page=167. so about to buy http://www.ebay.com/itm/PolarCell-Battery-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-5228-XpressMusic-XM-/371422346791?hash=item567a7f3e27:g:4S0AAOSwxCxT5f1G . unless you someone says NO NO bad idea. (2) mosh? been running around town all day with ssh (dbclient) via int00:03
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bluto271828found this. http://sinanimodelucro.net/lang/es/2013/02/11/mosh-connect-to-your-servers-on-roaming-networks-even-from-n900-maemo-5/. but stuck on making my perl work. probably this all works if I moved to CSSU. anyway. see you tomorrow maybe01:08
bluto271828"Package perl is not installed".01:10
bluto271828Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list01:11
bluto271828deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free01:11
bluto271828deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free01:11
bluto271828Nokia-N900:~# uname -a01:11
bluto271828Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 09:47:09 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown01:11
bluto271828\q01:11
bluto271828exit01:11
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DocScrutinizer05ohmy, wish he stayed after asking questions01:13
DocScrutinizer05mosh is nonsense01:13
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Paliperl is not installed??01:18
Paliwtf?01:18
Paliwithout perl debian cannot work01:18
Paliand maemo is debian01:18
KabouikIf anyone has any idea on this (https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502414&postcount=10), please highlight me! :]01:19
DocScrutinizer05http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-24.log.html#t2013-10-24T19:14:51   http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-24.log.html#t2013-10-24T19:24:0201:20
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KabouikNo ideas?01:39
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azkay_I need a day free so I can make an uber program04:47
azkay_Someone want to give me a free day?04:47
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azkay_Day 1 with the N900: Better buy a new battery, I've a feeling this used one has been used a bit. Need to figure out why my fcam isn't working, figure out why gps isn't locating, and figure out why my proxy is being ignored10:47
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kerioazkay_: have you reflashed it10:54
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azkay_Yeah its a clean install + cssu just installed11:01
azkay_installed fcam drivers then fcamera, rebooted and main camera is blank, fcamera is white. GPS won't lock on with the supl.nokia.com or supl.google.com11:01
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Maxdamantustry `mplayer tv://`11:04
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azkay_Can't open /dev/video011:26
azkay_Must be kernel power/fcam problem11:26
keriohave you installed it after fcam11:27
kerioi don't remember what's the correct order11:27
azkay_kernel power? I installed it first, fcam-drivers second, fcamera third11:27
azkay_On a seperate note, does anyone have a mirror for the qt sdk for windows?11:27
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azkay_Found it, I think11:32
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azkay_Classic, 160kb/s lol12:07
Luke-Jrazkay_: expect GPS to take at least 15 mins12:21
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azkay_Dayummmm, things have changed since 2012 lol. I would get gps lock in <30 seconds12:28
Defiantdepends on what you (your device) already knows about the current gps state, aka12:29
Defiantif you have network you can quickly get gpx fix, if not wait12:29
Wizzupazkay_: I think that supl.nokia.com works for me12:30
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azkay_Yeah I had it this morning on 3g, tried supl.nokia.com and supl.google.com. After 5+ minutes of walking and it not locking on, I gave up lol12:32
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Siceloazkay_: you should be on CSSU. the supl server isue was solved in CSSU. it's certificat-related.13:07
azkay_Spooky13:10
MaxdamantusI think it's more likely to lock if you're not walking around.13:10
MaxdamantusI've only done it once or twice, and had to leave it for a few minutes to get a lock (never tried with the network assistance stuff)13:11
Luke-JrDefiant: AGPS hasn't worked on N900 in a while..13:11
DefiantLuke-Jr: not?13:12
Luke-JrSicelo: how do I check if I ahve that?13:12
Sicelomameo version13:14
Luke-Jr?13:16
drathirazkay_: not sure if still workin but agps should speedup gps sync...13:22
azkay_Yep I have been using agps. But yeah, after what Luke said I checked TMO for agps problems, other people are having the same problem on and off13:23
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DocScrutinizer05GPS is almost instant when I'm on 3G13:27
drathiragps no matter but keep on mind depend on world region n900 if not wrong not support new one glonass sattelites russia ones...13:27
DocScrutinizer05~gsm-agps13:27
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP13:27
drathirbut ofc not 100% sure if its corectly glonass not supported...13:28
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drathiralso nice is gpsdata app...13:30
Luke-Jrdrathir: GPS at least is global; I would imagine GLONASS is as well13:31
DocScrutinizer05well, zhat's not exactly correct. GPS gets selectively disabled for some areas of this globe, sometimes13:32
drathirLuke-Jr: Yea but with more than one system in range the lock should be faster if in range... theoretically ofc...13:32
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: disabled by who?13:33
DocScrutinizer05USA, whom else?13:33
Luke-Jrhow?13:33
Luke-Jrthe sats stop transmitting when they're located there?13:33
drathirAlso depending on coverage and sattelite avability... when locked often possible to keep inside building signall sometimes too...13:34
DocScrutinizer05dunno, prolly by switching on the random aka "selective availability" or by simply shutting off the sats when they're over e.g Russia or Ukraine13:34
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azkay_Didn't think n900 supported GLONASS?13:36
drathirrussia glonass and europe one galileo...13:40
Siceloif you're on 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 or 21.2011.38-1Smaemo7 .. that's what i meant. bad connection i have here, sorry13:42
DocScrutinizer05N900 only supports GPS13:42
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DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: dunno think I had better site a few years ago, but http://www.nstb.tc.faa.gov/24Hr_RAIM.htm13:50
kerioi don't know about you but i get a gps fix in like 12 seconds13:56
keriofrom indoors13:57
DocScrutinizer053G?13:57
DocScrutinizer05(me too)13:57
DocScrutinizer05only when on 3G13:57
DocScrutinizer05and the age old gag that GPS doesn't work when system time isn't set correctly is for sure still a laugh13:59
kerioit's truly the dankest meme13:59
DocScrutinizer05actually trilatteration is working indoors too and is faster than GPS and possibly even more precise14:02
DocScrutinizer05~u-tdoa14:03
infobotu-tdoa is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA14:03
DocScrutinizer05https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA#Mission-critical_safety_and_security14:05
azkay_Woooo, 30 minutes until sdk is downloaded14:06
DocScrutinizer05and N900 evidently uses RRLP14:11
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DocScrutinizer05tl;dr: RRLP is the GSM based "A-GPS" that doesn't even need sats14:14
DocScrutinizer05it's the protocol that's used to transport U-TDOA data from carrier to phone14:15
DocScrutinizer05s/data/results/14:16
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: it's the protocol that's used to transport U-TDOA results from carrier to phone14:16
DocScrutinizer05moteworthy: even when you rip out the GPS chip from your phone, U-TDOA still tells carrier where you are, with 50m precision14:18
DocScrutinizer05nowadays even more precise14:18
DocScrutinizer05Note*worthy14:19
DocScrutinizer05also note that U-TDOA works with *any* radio technology, no matter if cellphone or walkietalkies or remote control or WLAN or you-name-it14:20
DocScrutinizer05as long as it transmits RF (VHF, UHF ++), it can get located within fraction of a second14:21
DocScrutinizer05I even calculated the amount of HDD each of a network of general-purpose U-TDOA sensors to cover all frequencies of a country with 100% area coverage would take14:23
DocScrutinizer05it's in the range of a 6 digit cost per sensor station, peanuts for TLAs14:23
DocScrutinizer05to learn live what U-TDOA can do and how it works, see http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php14:26
DocScrutinizer05NB it's not working with directional antennas but simply with timestamps so the sensor stations can determine *relative* distance to RF event14:29
DocScrutinizer05so it's sort of "terrestrial GPS upside-down"14:30
DocScrutinizer05and yeah, there also might be sat-borne U-TDOA14:31
DocScrutinizer05sth with battery applet sucks! it tells me charge is at 84%, after 48h of charging14:39
keriohave you calibrated bq27k14:39
drathirstandalone gps lock in few seconds but needed go outside...14:39
DocScrutinizer05whatever that is meant to mean, it's buzzling like hell14:39
drathirDocScrutinizer05: lol gps even possible to synchronise clock in theory...14:41
DocScrutinizer05well, bq27200 tells me battery is at 99%14:41
drathirDocScrutinizer05: w/o agps even possible to +/- localise device with net monitor ^^14:42
drathircelltower localise in cities even possible high meters accuracy...14:43
DocScrutinizer0530s at closed window down in the street (buildings all around)14:45
DocScrutinizer05drathir: U-TDOA is carrier-based "cell tower location"14:45
DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA14:46
DocScrutinizer05(btw the fix after 30s was +-~20m accurate)14:47
drathirbut that highly depend on cell tower density in town with high amount of towers will be more accurate tracking as precise to detect on which street person is, outside town more by areas in km ranges......14:51
drathirlaag ;/14:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: modprobe -r rx51-battery14:52
DocScrutinizer05drathir: sort of, yes14:53
drathiradvanced power with nokia bme alternative give me 84% 4h/174m second battery indicator 95% 1200/1262mAh 4h/5d14:54
drathirlooks similar but with diff % ^^14:55
drathirlol U-TDOA is uniquely suited for mission-critical safety and security applications: better and shorter write spy and track mobile user ^^15:01
azkay_Noooo, nearly out of beer ):15:04
azkay_How will I code without beer?15:04
drathiralso interesting if every celltover record any phone "radio mac" even if the sim is off... that could be a big amount of data to handle...15:04
drathirin theory i guess that is possible interesting if used...15:04
drathirazkay_: maybe with wine? ^^15:05
azkay_No wine ):15:06
drathirpacman -S wine good taste ^^15:06
drathirazkay_: jokin ofc...15:07
azkay_haha15:09
azkay_apt-get libbeerisbetter-dev ;(15:09
azkay_;)*15:09
azkay_ahhhhhhhhh, spent 4 hours downloading this sdk and it doesn't even have fremantle ):15:11
azkay_it has symbian and harmattan15:11
azkay_boooooo15:11
KotCzarnyhmm15:11
KotCzarnyget vm image15:11
KotCzarnyall installed, ready to use15:11
azkay_Yeah, that's the worst case scenario, I wanted to do it right out of windows without having to bother going through virtual machines ):15:12
azkay_I had it working back in 2012, but can't remember what I installed15:12
KotCzarnyo.O15:15
KotCzarnysdk in windoze?15:15
azkay_Yeah15:18
azkay_Back in the day one of the windows installers with qtcreator had all the presets for n900 development15:18
Maxdamantuscolinux?15:19
azkay_Hadn't heard of that since now15:20
drathirazkay_: weak server or conn?15:21
MaxdamantusCan't escape virtual machines anyway.15:22
MaxdamantusEverything runs in a VM nowadays.15:22
azkay_I escaped it once, I'll escape it again :P15:22
azkay_drathir, what's this about?15:22
MaxdamantusPrograms want to mess with memory using integer addresses.15:22
Maxdamantusso we have to make these stupid memory management systems that intercept operations on those addresses.15:23
MaxdamantusWaste time with these stupid "system calls" .. and page faults.15:24
MaxdamantusWhy can't a write to a fd just be a normal function call?15:25
MaxdamantusIf it were that simple people wouldn't write stupid buffering mechanisms in userspace libraries like glibc.15:25
Maxdamantusbut no, writing to a fd is something you're meant to do sparingly, even when it has no direct impact on the outside world (eg, if it's just writing to an fd that is read directly by another "process").15:26
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DocScrutinizer05~tell azkay_ about sb15:46
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DocScrutinizer05alternative source: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/15:51
DocScrutinizer05Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z15:52
azkay_Yeah I've seen that15:52
DocScrutinizer05Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z_DIR.txt15:53
azkay_I used to scratchbox on debian15:53
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DocScrutinizer05Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt15:55
drathirazkay_: so long download time...15:55
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DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation15:59
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azkay_Yeah, that just shows how to do it with linux/vm, not windows16:04
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drathirazkay_: dont like it but maybe use vbox...16:15
azkay_Got it, Qt_SDK_Windows_offline_v1_1_en.exe has fremantle support16:15
azkay_1.4 only has symbian/harmattan. Not sure about .2 and .316:16
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DocScrutinizer05ooh that's MADDE?16:21
DocScrutinizer05~madde16:22
infoboti guess madde is http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/madde/ https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde‎16:22
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DocScrutinizer05fiasco+co/tabletsdev/16:25
DocScrutinizer05just a headsup: DO NOT POST FULL URLs ANYWHERE! that stuff will vanish same moment you do16:27
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azkay_imgur.com/ZrMgXb3.jpg16:29
DocScrutinizer05:-)16:31
L29Ah> c++16:38
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DocScrutinizer05ohmy, such lazy bot22:43
* DocScrutinizer05 clicks the icon showing a boot22:43
DocScrutinizer05dang, server down or disconnected22:44
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DocScrutinizer05aaaah22:45
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DocScrutinizer05~wb22:47
infobotthx22:47
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