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| mp107 | Welcome. I have a question about blocking an access to maemo.org from 5.172.247.128-255 IP address pool. | 13:38 |
| mp107 | They are assigned to the Polish network Aero2 offering free Internet access. | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | and being free it also means bad people abusing it for spam | 13:38 |
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| mp107 | Unfortunately I have to agree. | 13:39 |
| freddd | I am considering selling my N900. Does anyone know any recommendation price and a good place to sell such an old device? It is in working condition, no malfunctions or screen scratches, pen included. | 13:40 |
| L29Ah | ebay.com | 13:41 |
| mp107 | But is there really so much amount of abuse from those IP addresses? | 13:41 |
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| L29Ah | yeah so much abuse that you can't even get a readonly access ;) | 13:41 |
| * L29Ah actually has to get to maemo.org thru tor as it looks less abusive by its admins it seems | 13:42 | |
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| NIN101 | tor is also regularly blocked, at least by TMO | 13:44 |
| NIN101 | quite ironic for this community, you could at least allow GET requests. | 13:44 |
| mp107 | But are those blockages temporary or constant? | 13:45 |
| NIN101 | I am sure they are constant. | 13:45 |
| * freddd pokes ceene "hey little boy, want to buy some candy?" * swings N900 at him * | 13:47 | |
| L29Ah | pass it to your children | 13:47 |
| freddd | I would have to put an Apple sticker on it for that to happen. | 13:48 |
| freddd | Even then ... | 13:48 |
| freddd | If it is not <1mm in thickness they will start raising questions. | 13:48 |
| Wizzup | I usually pay 40-80 euro for second hand n900s | 13:52 |
| ceene | freddd: how much do you ak for it? | 13:56 |
| ceene | shipping costs will be high, though | 13:56 |
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| ceene | latest one i bought was 30 euro | 13:57 |
| L29Ah | found a thread about changing imei on tmo | 14:14 |
| L29Ah | 16 pages worth of moralfags and not a byte to send | 14:14 |
| freddd | ceene most likely not much. | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | What else would you expect? Instructions on actually changing the IMEI? | 14:26 |
| freddd | I am thinking 30 - 50 euros. | 14:26 |
| freddd | I think that is not much? | 14:26 |
| freddd | Everything still works. Screen has no scratches. | 14:27 |
| freddd | Recently put a new battery in it. | 14:27 |
| L29Ah | Maxdamantus: sure | 14:28 |
| L29Ah | i've recently got an lte modem and needed to change its imei so i could buy a cheaper mobile phone-aiming unlimited internet plan, googled it in a few seconds on some russian forum | 14:30 |
| L29Ah | now i have an iphone 5 :3 | 14:30 |
| ceene | freddd: why don't you keep it? | 14:31 |
| ceene | you could help me code yappari :P | 14:31 |
| ceene | or help with the kernel so we get to run modern glibc and all that | 14:31 |
| ceene | i'm quite tired lately to d anything fun, works drains all my coding energy | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | freddd: you can post on talk.maemo.org in buy/sell section | 14:33 |
| freddd | ceene, software compatibility is the only thing. :( | 14:37 |
| ceene | which software are you missing? | 14:38 |
| freddd | Authenticators. | 14:38 |
| ceene | whats's that? | 14:38 |
| freddd | Steam recently enforced a trading limit (15 day item hold on market) unless you use their authenticator (built-in into Steam Mobile, not available seperate). | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | freddd, vnc? | 14:39 |
| freddd | VNC? | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | and android emulator on pc | 14:39 |
| freddd | KotCzarny I am looking for convenient and modern solutions. | 14:39 |
| freddd | Not the hacky way. | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | write to steam for a linux client? | 14:39 |
| freddd | It was an example, one of many. | 14:39 |
| freddd | I enjoy the game Clash of Clan as well. | 14:40 |
| L29Ah | i wonder how poking a bazillion of devices to make a trade considered convenient | 14:40 |
| ceene | someone reposted all files for running nitdroid | 14:40 |
| L29Ah | modern maybe (: | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | then as i said, on pc run virtualbox with vnc enabled, inside run linux with android emulator | 14:40 |
| freddd | L29Ah blame the scammers and people who fall for the scams. | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | then just connect n900 with vnc to that virtual | 14:40 |
| freddd | That is a hacker's solution. | 14:40 |
| L29Ah | nah i'll just blame steam users | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | and i bet it would work better than having client for everything | 14:41 |
| freddd | I use N900 as a convenience (right now all it runs is Yappari). | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | when you can use ssh and vnc to get access to gigs of mem/storage | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | also, n900 IS a hacker's device | 14:41 |
| freddd | I never used it as such. | 14:42 |
| freddd | I do not code on it. | 14:42 |
| freddd | I do not terminal on it (I tried, too inconvenient). | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | you can be a hacker without coding too | 14:42 |
| freddd | The way I SSH on desktop is not as pleasant as on N900. | 14:42 |
| freddd | I can not imagine anyone doing mainstream server management SSH on it. | 14:42 |
| freddd | Maybe here and there check upon something. | 14:42 |
| ceene | a full on keyboard is better, of course | 14:43 |
| ceene | but i use n900 a lot to ssh into things | 14:43 |
| freddd | For? | 14:43 |
| freddd | Updating? | 14:43 |
| ceene | lots of things | 14:44 |
| ceene | c coding | 14:44 |
| ceene | system administraton things | 14:44 |
| ceene | sometimes i'm to lazy to go for the laptop | 14:44 |
| freddd | I move to my desktop for that. Or laptop. I get too annoyed by how slow it would be on phone. | 14:45 |
| freddd | Even using IRC on phone annoyed me. | 14:45 |
| freddd | The messaging has been utmost wonderful on this device since I had it. | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | i use n900 as a phone/audio player mostly, with occasional ssh/shell things/www | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | and toilet gaming device too, last but not least | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:46 |
| Maxdamantus | So which one is least? | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | gaming | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | least is email | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | never used it | 14:47 |
| * Maxdamantus uses email over ssh. | 14:47 | |
| ceene | modest is depressively bad | 14:47 |
| freddd | SO CEENE HOW MUCH YOU WANT IT FOR HUH? | 14:48 |
| ceene | freddd: i don't think i want another one yet | 14:48 |
| freddd | >:C | 14:48 |
| ceene | i got two | 14:48 |
| ceene | unless it's almost free | 14:48 |
| ceene | but that wouldn't be fair | 14:48 |
| * freddd ssh's into ceene's N900 and executes self-destroy.sh | 14:48 | |
| ceene | :) | 14:48 |
| freddd | Uhm ceene so there is this cool app in the store that involves throwing your N900 in the air as high as you can | 14:49 |
| freddd | You should try it out. | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | it works, as long you are a good catcher | 14:49 |
| L29Ah | how is it named? | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | flyn900 | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 14:50 |
| ceene | i'm not a good catcher, nor a good thower either | 14:50 |
| freddd | It has been on there since pretty early on N900 release. | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1043&faq=47 | 14:50 |
| freddd | Pretty sure secrelty Nokia endorsed (or manufactured). | 14:50 |
| mp107 | I am curious how that app has been debugged/developed etc. | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | on a trampoline? | 14:53 |
| freddd | trampoline park? | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | maybe beach | 14:53 |
| L29Ah | > i hope you have Insurance :D my n900 broke but i get new from Insurance | 14:53 |
| L29Ah | can i haz that thing? | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | slightly offtopic: https://mosh.mit.edu/ | 14:54 |
| freddd | Stop hijacking my ceene N900 sale thread! | 14:54 |
| L29Ah | can it do vi-like editing? | 14:54 |
| freddd | ceene how high did you get yours to fly? | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: sure, you just have to run vi | 14:54 |
| freddd | I tried to learn vi, I cried, and nano hugged me better. | 14:55 |
| ceene | freddd: i offer 5 euro plus shipping | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900fly/ | 14:55 |
| freddd | shipping is like 6 euros insured id be at a loss here :( | 14:55 |
| ceene | 15 euros total max, then | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | freddd: imaging it a donation for open source | 14:56 |
| freddd | I think I rather try to get world record flyn900 instead. | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | *imagine | 14:56 |
| L29Ah | there should be an online high score board | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: pics or it didnt happen | 14:56 |
| L29Ah | yeah it should take pics every second | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | also, i bet there would be cheaters using mechanical aids | 14:57 |
| freddd | throw it off the eifel tower, have a catcher at the bottom | 14:57 |
| mp107 | Parachute? | 14:57 |
| L29Ah | get the catcher killed | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | freddd: it measures both times, ascending+descending | 14:57 |
| freddd | oh | 14:57 |
| ceene | gravity says both times are equal | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | ceene: parachute? | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | air friction? | 14:58 |
| * freddd puts on an evil smirk, knowing what he has started here ... | 14:58 | |
| freddd | I announce official n900fly championship. | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | freddd: no worries, n900 is quite resilient device | 14:59 |
| Maxdamantus | Presumably it works on the difference in deceleration due to air resistance. | 14:59 |
| mp107 | Imagine N900 on ISS... | 14:59 |
| freddd | I know it flung many directions many times over the years. | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | as long it doesnt land on screen | 14:59 |
| freddd | Having it on my bed and flinging open the bed sheets. | 14:59 |
| freddd | Woosh. | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> when the phone lands, the time of flight and respective distance, considering the phone travelled the same distance going up and down, are shown.<< you can half the value for one way travels, you also can keep the phone in your pocket and see how high or how deep you jumped | 14:59 |
| Maxdamantus | Disregarding the air resistance, there isn't any force exerted on the device. | 14:59 |
| freddd | To the floor it goes. | 14:59 |
| freddd | No harm done. | 14:59 |
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| freddd | Guys, too much science, just throw it in the air already. | 15:00 |
| Maxdamantus | I guess it could just be based on the initial and final acceleration too, as you throw and catch it. | 15:00 |
| freddd | This app has been made 2009. So the guy who bought his N900 must have had the first thought of wanting to throw it in the air of joy. | 15:01 |
| freddd | And measure his joy. | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: what about landing with side bump? | 15:01 |
| Maxdamantus | side bump? | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | kind of bad catch | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as already mentioned you can carry the phone in your pocket | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which probably is rather interesting for e.g. parcours | 15:02 |
| L29Ah | i wonder if i can fuck the system by rotating it on a rope | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | then it will slow only partially | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 15:02 |
| Maxdamantus | L29Ah: rotating it? | 15:02 |
| L29Ah | yeah | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: go for it, freddd waits for a new customer | 15:02 |
| Maxdamantus | L29Ah: using centrifugal force? | 15:02 |
| L29Ah | rotation = acceleration | 15:02 |
| L29Ah | yep | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 15:02 |
| Maxdamantus | L29Ah: but it should be in freefall. | 15:02 |
| Maxdamantus | L29Ah: freefall = no acceleration | 15:02 |
| Maxdamantus | when it's flying through the air, it's not accelerating. | 15:03 |
| L29Ah | sure it's accelerating | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ??? | 15:03 |
| Maxdamantus | It's following a geodesic. | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when device is flying, it has 0g | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900fly measures duration of 0g | 15:04 |
| L29Ah | wat | 15:04 |
| Maxdamantus | L29Ah: put your N900 on a flat surface and look at the accelerometer. | 15:04 |
| Maxdamantus | L29Ah: it should show 1 g. | 15:04 |
| ceene | if it doesn't follow a rectilinear trajectory, then it's accelerating | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: - friction | 15:04 |
| Maxdamantus | L29Ah: because that surface, if attached to the Earth, is accelerating upwards at 1 g. | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: please! | 15:04 |
| Maxdamantus | ceene: it is following a rectilinear trajectory. | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: you are forgetting air resistance | 15:05 |
| ceene | (or decelerating) | 15:05 |
| Maxdamantus | ceene: a rectilinear trajectory in special relativity is a geodesic. | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | every item has its own final speed | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: the accelerometer measures force to the case, simply spoken | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | then air just stop the acceleration | 15:05 |
| ceene | not if you attach it to a rope | 15:05 |
| Maxdamantus | ceene: spacetime is curved. | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | *stops | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as no force to case, the whole device is an inertial system | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | constant speed == no accel | 15:06 |
| L29Ah | ok so accelerometer doesn't measure acceleration, but a force on a spring-suspended object | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 15:06 |
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| Maxdamantus | No. That's not right. | 15:07 |
| Maxdamantus | Gravity doesn't directly cause acceleration. | 15:07 |
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| KotCzarny | maxd: lol | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that spring suspended object is a tiny mass inside the accelerometer | 15:07 |
| Maxdamantus | When a meteor is flying towards the Earth, it's not accelerating. | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | gravity == force, accel == force vector != 0 | 15:07 |
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| Maxdamantus | It accelerates when it hits the Earth and the structure of the Earth pushes it back. | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: you know gravity is not limited? | 15:08 |
| L29Ah | -144 -234 -1062 | 15:08 |
| L29Ah | calibration looks sucky | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | near zero but not zero? | 15:08 |
| Maxdamantus | just as the structure of the Earth pushes us up, because it's preventing itself from collapsing, as it would do if it didn't accelerate. | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: no, you don't hold it 'flat' | 15:08 |
| L29Ah | as it's just lying tilted on a table | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | which means earth's gravity does things on every thing in the universe | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | unmeasurable but it's there | 15:08 |
| ceene | we can now measure gravitational waves | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | as an engineer you can always put near zero as zero | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not with N900 | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless they get waaaaaaaaay stronger than what we seen so far | 15:09 |
| ceene | so let's use a cluster of n900 :) | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | it doesnt work that way | 15:10 |
| Maxdamantus | ceene: yes. We can also measure tides. | 15:10 |
| L29Ah | DocScrutinizer05: sure but it can't be more than 1000 | 15:11 |
| Maxdamantus | “Einstein proposed that spacetime is curved by matter, and that free-falling objects are moving along locally straight paths in curved spacetime. These straight paths are called geodesics.” | 15:11 |
| KotCzarny | they are curved beyond any recognition | 15:12 |
| L29Ah | spacetime has curved my n900 during n900fly | 15:12 |
| L29Ah | fucking einstein | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | it also curved you | 15:13 |
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| ceene | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 | 15:23 |
| ceene | so firefox is back on debian | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | icewasel in jessie is ~37 | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | which is weird | 15:23 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hm. So far reading the thread below, it seems unclear that it's going to happen. | 15:45 |
| Maxdamantus | “I still think we are approaching something dangerous. Sure, we might have the ability to make these patches which Mozilla doesn't think misuse their trademark, but what about users who want to make a heavier modification and redistribute?” | 15:46 |
| Maxdamantus | I was always under the impression that was the exact reason for the rebranding. | 15:46 |
| Maxdamantus | Of course Mozilla is going to be okay with the changes Debian themselves make. | 15:46 |
| Maxdamantus | but Debian wants to enable pretty much any changes of their software to be used. | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | i run firefox unmodified, what changes one could want? | 15:48 |
| Maxdamantus | If you run it unmodified you probably either compiled it yourself (in which case you're not distributing binaries, so there aren't any TM issues there), or you're using the binaries provided by Mozilla. | 15:49 |
| Maxdamantus | s/not/probably not/ | 15:49 |
| infobot | Maxdamantus meant: If you run it unmodified you probably either compiled it yourself (in which case you're probably not distributing binaries, so there aren't any TM issues there), or you're using the binaries provided by Mozilla. | 15:49 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but i ask what changes they are talking about | 15:50 |
| Maxdamantus | Who? | 15:50 |
| KotCzarny | 'users who want to make a heavier modification' | 15:51 |
| Maxdamantus | So the person I quoted. | 15:51 |
| Maxdamantus | Changing it so it's full of ads. | 15:52 |
| KotCzarny | ads? | 15:52 |
| KotCzarny | wtf? | 15:52 |
| Maxdamantus | Advertisements. | 15:52 |
| Maxdamantus | For some political cause or something. | 15:53 |
| Maxdamantus | Mozilla probably wouldn't want people distributing debian packages called "Firefox" with ads everywhere. | 15:53 |
| Maxdamantus | but people should be able to make such derivations of Debian packages. | 15:54 |
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| Maxdamantus | I guess the argument is that once you make those modifications you just have to rebrand your package. | 16:04 |
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