IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2016-03-02

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parazydhmm, does he still remember this...?00:40
infobotmethinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
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M4rtinKMIPS not dead00:47
M4rtinKfor example00:48
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DocScrutinizer05however (sorry for that one, anyway not ladylike):00:57
DocScrutinizer05rape DocScrutinizer5100:57
DocScrutinizer05~rape DocScrutinizer5100:57
* infobot takes DocScrutinizer51 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams00:57
freemangordonhi there :)00:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: not that I push you or something, but what has happened with that n900 with a serial port?01:01
DocScrutinizer05it's on my todo list :-(01:05
DocScrutinizer05I should start that soldering job right away01:06
luf_DocScrutinizer05: above or below fluently speeking Navaho? :D01:06
DocScrutinizer05who says Navaho is still on my todo list?01:08
luf_Cool have you already studied it?01:09
luf_freemangordon: is the gcc4.7.2-linaro from wiki the newest one we have?01:13
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luf_freemangordon: ping01:23
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: could you look into the weird driver of the TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE and how to use it? it has several pretty unusual setting options01:29
DocScrutinizer05unusual for a plain vanilla UART01:30
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DocScrutinizer05particularly High Current I/Os  Load VCP Driver  Invert TXD  Invert RXD  Invert RTS#  Invert CTS#  worries me01:37
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luf_wtf what is sb-thumb-errata-provider for?01:44
luf_it's almost empty ...01:45
luf_aaah ok :) I find it once I asked ...01:46
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DocScrutinizer05funny name02:04
DocScrutinizer05is this the kernel patch?02:05
luf_just the errata in provides ;)02:05
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OksanaaWhat is gtk-config?13:25
KotCzarnytool to change some gtk theme settings?13:26
KotCzarnyjust kidding13:26
KotCzarnyit's the thing that prints include and linking paths13:26
OksanaaI cannot find anything like gtk-config on maemo 5 fremantle13:26
KotCzarnyit's only needed if you want to compile things on device13:27
KotCzarnyshould be in libgtk*-dev package13:27
Oksanaayes, I am trying to compile soundtracker13:27
KotCzarnyyou can fake it by writing simple shell script13:27
Oksanaalibgtk2.0-dev ?13:29
OksanaaNay, already installed, and no gtk-config in it13:32
KotCzarnythen just copy from desktop13:32
Oksanaawindows user, unfortunately13:33
Oksanaaand too lazy to switch on the desktop, anyway13:33
KotCzarnyahm, wait, that's 1.213:34
Oksanaaany difference?13:34
KotCzarnyhrm, 2.0 and 1.2 use incompatible headers i guess13:34
KotCzarnybut i dont see 2.0 one, so it might be your package tries to use gtk1.213:35
Oksanaaso it does13:35
KotCzarnywhich might be true because soundtracker is old13:35
KotCzarnythen install libgtk1.2-dev13:35
Oksanaawill it even work?13:37
KotCzarnyi had xmms on the n900 (which uses gtk1.2)13:37
KotCzarnyand you can have both installed 1.2 and 2.013:37
Oksanaaokay, where to get libgtk1.2-dev in deb?
Oksanaagtk, not glib13:42
KotCzarnyyou can just compile it, and yes, old debian ones should work too13:43
Oksanaaouchy... libgtk1.2-dev, libglib1.2-dev, libgtk1.2...13:43
KotCzarnyyup, debian style13:44
* Oksanaa feels a need for hildon-gui tracker13:48
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bencohhildon-gui tracker? what would that be?13:50
OksanaaLike, MilkyTracker, SoundTracker, Buzztrax. Only, touchfriendly, hildon-based...13:52
KotCzarnydont use the word 'hildon'13:52
KotCzarnywhat you mean is: touch-ui music tracker app13:52
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OksanaaYes, but I mean, I would prefer the hildon-stylised GUI. Not sure what's the correct name for this GTK+based GUI13:53
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KotCzarnyhildon uses gtk13:53
OksanaaBut it's more than Gtk13:54
OksanaaJust take a look at navit's gtk gui: it's cluttered and tiny13:54
KotCzarnytake any generic gtk2 based app and run without any hildonizing on n90013:54
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KotCzarnyyou will see13:54
KotCzarnyyes, that's the 'touch-ui' part13:55
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* Oksanaa thought there are hildon-widgets built atop gtk widgets13:55
* Oksanaa did not code for a long time, though13:55
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OksanaaThank you. gtk-config is here, now13:59
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bencohOksanaa: cutetube is hildonized (using qt-hildon-something), I'm pretty sure what you mean is gtk/hildon :)14:14
bencoh(I guess you dont really fancy qt apps ;)14:14
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KotCzarnyhmm, anyone ever played with scratchbox running on arm?20:14
L29Ahnot much point in running qemu-arm on arm20:26
L29Ahit might be even slower than on n900 itself20:26
L29Ahtho sandboxing maemo devel stuff away in lxc on a decent arm computer sounds good20:27
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MaxdamantusWouldn't it just run the arm things without qemu?21:17
MaxdamantusLike how it seems to run x86 things without qemu on x86.21:18
KotCzarnymaxd, but installer puts things with x86 in mind21:23
KotCzarnyso it wont run out of the box21:23
KotCzarnyand i'm thinking about having maemo dev env on native armel21:23
KotCzarny(without dirupting host, so some kind of chroot is a must)21:24
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keriodoesn't it just use binfmt for qemu?21:36
KotCzarnyso it would run at native speed?21:39
kerioi mean21:39
keriothere's definetely stuff that will go wrong21:39
kerioit's scratchbox21:39
KotCzarnywell, tools in sb are x8621:40
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KotCzarnyso gcc wont run at all21:40
OksanaaFunny... Soundtracker is here, but no text whatsoever in its gui. Numbers are here, letters aren't21:44
KotCzarnyprobably missing x fonts21:46
KotCzarny(bitmap ones, not truetype)21:46
KotCzarnyx on n900 doesnt use disk fonts, only builtins for bitmap fonts21:46
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Oksanaahuh, and what is the package for bitmap fonts?21:47
KotCzarnysee above: needs recompiled x server21:48
OksanaaNay, no, not a chance in...21:48
KotCzarnybut i might be wrong, otoh my memory says i had similar problem21:49
OksanaaHmpf. Strange X installation. You don't have the 5x8 font?21:49
KotCzarnyno nothing21:49
KotCzarnyonly ttf fonts are supported21:50
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bencohwait, what? no!21:57
KotCzarnyxlsfonts or it didnt happen :P21:57
bencohxset +fp21:58
bencohyou need to add your font folder to X font path21:58
KotCzarnyi think i have tried it21:58
bencohKotCzarny: I use iso10646 fixed (5x8, 6x13, 7x14, ...) fonts here21:59
bencohand you can add the misc/ folder either using xset +fp22:00
bencohor editing xorg conf22:00
KotCzarnygotta try it tomorrow22:00
bencohxorg.conf, ection "Files", FontPath22:00
bencohfixed fonts comme with xfonts-base package and they sit in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc22:02
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bencohOksanaa: ^ btw22:05
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OksanaaThank you :-) Will check it out22:05
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