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Vajbhmm strange, but after i accidentally dropped my phone few days ago so bad that battery got off, my gprs connection has been a lot more stable.11:08
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KotCzarnyphysical abuse, the best fix-er-upper11:15
Vajbwell i wanted to speculate, if reboot could have done some magic? I mean more than 'pnatd at+cfun=0' does..11:19
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jskarvadHi could anybody help with  I am searching for somebody who could remove the defective navit/maptool builds from fremantle-extras-devel repo15:23
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ceenejskarvad: what is needed is to upload new version17:01
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jskarvadceene: I am unable to contact the original uploader, and the uploaded deb files are broken - size mismatch17:28
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^^17:37
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: ^^^^17:38
ceenecapitanocrunch was here a few weeks ago asking for help to build these new packages17:40
ceenehe mentioned this github issue thread
ceeneso maybe you can open a bug there17:41
ceeneand it'll probably arrive to the uploader17:41
DocScrutinizer05whit is the package to delete?17:43
ceeneall navit-* packages i think17:43
ceenelet me check17:43
ceenenavit navit-data navit-graphics-gtk-drawing-area navit-gui-internal 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-656317:45
ceenejskarvad: even if DocScrutinizer05 removes those packages, you should still try to reach the navit team through github issues, so they know to reupload it17:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure I really could and _should_ remove them17:48
DocScrutinizer05which repo?17:48
ceenethey are in extras-devel as far as i know17:49
ceenei mean, i also don't think it's something you should or shouldn't do17:49
DocScrutinizer05ouch, a pity. so I can't promote them17:49
ceeneupstream author should just upload it again17:49
jskarvadDocScrutinizer05, ceene: thanks, I have problem with maptool 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-data 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-gui-gtk 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-gui-internal 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-graphics-gtk-drawing-area 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-656317:49
jskarvadI am still trying to contact navit upstream about this issue17:50
DocScrutinizer05I think the autobuilder has wrong checksum or something. Such is a known effect we seen before17:50
ceenecan you rerun the autobuilder?17:50
DocScrutinizer05I could if I could promote17:51
DocScrutinizer05there's nothing you could promote from, into devel17:51
M4rtinK2is the source package still somewhere ?17:51
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: ^^^ could you have a look17:51
M4rtinK2I guess it could just be reuploaded to the autobuilder input folder17:52
freemangordon_lemme see17:52
DocScrutinizer05of course, the source packages are stored17:52
freemangordon_sorry, I don;t get what the problem is17:54
M4rtinK2IIRC the issue is summarized in this thread:
ceenethat's right17:55
DocScrutinizer05let me know if I can help via administrative interface
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DocScrutinizer05who's michelD aka tryagain?18:09
M4rtinK2if I understand it correctly18:10
M4rtinK2the package got submitted twice by mistake by tryagain18:10
M4rtinK2which confused autobuilder and corrupted the resulting package18:10
DocScrutinizer05he's not maintainer yet, only asked for maintainership18:10
ceenegiven his nick it's seems obvious that he'd try everything twice...18:11
ceenesorry, had to make the pun!18:11
M4rtinK2so I guess either the current broken package could be removed & source package re-submitted18:11
DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted to approve maintainership18:11
DocScrutinizer05since it seems council doesn't take care about maintainership takeovers18:12
M4rtinK2or source package with higher version submitted, so that the binary package replaces the corrupted one18:12
M4rtinK2right ?18:12
M4rtinK2DocScrutinizer05: AFAIK jskarvad tried to contact tryagain on the navit IRC channel without success18:13
M4rtinK2DocScrutinizer05: so I guess he could be considered to be an unresponsive maintainer & maintainership reassigned ?18:13
M4rtinK2it usually works like that in that in other distros18:14
jskarvadhe could be on holidays18:14
jskarvadI also wrote him email few days ago on his navit contact18:15
jskarvadso far without reply18:16
DocScrutinizer05well, see his profile and obviously the request for maintainership ( must be younger than that18:16
DocScrutinizer05xes: any coments on the navit problem?18:17
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xesDocScrutinizer05: i looked at the builds in cauldron and i didn't understood why the chksum error appeared18:25
DocScrutinizer05on I see versions like "navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534" which has a space it seems18:25
DocScrutinizer05we also once hat an general issue about iirc "+" vs "-" in package version names18:26
DocScrutinizer05I don't understand the naming in
xesi digged a lot about tryagain and even if it seems to be in the navit development team, he appears online 2 times a year...18:28
freemangordon_hmm, iirc the '~' symbols is the one that makes problems18:29
DocScrutinizer05does it hurt to grant maintainership to him?18:29
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: yep18:29
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freemangordon_but anyway I don;t see how it should cause checksum errors18:29
DocScrutinizer05it's some weird stuff where an old package gets imported while the checksum etc is calculated from the new pkg iirc18:30
xesand if uploaded another package too fast while previous was still building?18:30
DocScrutinizer05yes, that too18:30
freemangordon_I don;t see it uploaded too fast, there is 4 days period between 2 versions18:31
DocScrutinizer05we should have a time ticket system there18:31
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DocScrutinizer05maximum useless interface of midgard: - yet needs >60s to come up18:38
M4rtinK2I'm sure it does at least 50 JOINs internally18:42
xesupf... builder: builder1 ... builder: builder218:43
DocScrutinizer05 .oO(???!!??)18:43
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DocScrutinizer05there's a link I possibly could click on: "restore version 1.1"
DocScrutinizer05nfc what it *really* will do though18:52
DocScrutinizer05 says "imported to testing" but clicking the link gives me 404 >>The requested URL /packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/navit// could not be found on this server.<<18:56
DocScrutinizer05on a GENERAL SIDENOTE: says "apt-get UPGRADE" on DEVEL! This is a sure bet how to kill your system19:01
RST38hDid it. Survived.19:02
M4rtinK2well, if you check what it proposes19:03
M4rtinK2before proceeding19:03
DocScrutinizer05actually I'm inclined to close as WONTFIX19:04
DocScrutinizer05resp INVALID19:04
DocScrutinizer05upgrade on devel is expected to show exactly this class of errors where packages have the potential to break the upgrade process or even kill your complete system19:05
jskarvadDocScrutinizer05: are you sure? I think the problem here is wrong metadata19:06
DocScrutinizer05yes, of course19:06
DocScrutinizer05but still this is a problem against the navit package19:06
DocScrutinizer05apt.get upgrade never been supposed to work the way it's tried there19:07
jskarvadI don't think it's about apt-get upgrade, the problem is that the recorder size doesn't match the package size19:08
jskarvadi.e. the repo is inconsistent19:08
M4rtinK2jskarvad: +119:08
M4rtinK2it's not even possible to install the package right now, right ?19:09
DocScrutinizer05yes, as I said above, a problem in the navit package19:09
DocScrutinizer05also what really concerns me is: >>Developer replied that the build wasn't done by him, but by the 'tryagain' user. I am trying to reach him through the #navit freenode channel to rebuild the packages.<<19:10
DocScrutinizer05obviously tryagain didn't try to contact the developer? or developer!=maemo_maintainer here19:11
DocScrutinizer05it's a flaw in maemo autobuilder infra that every maintainer is free to upload arbitrary packages to builder, even when he's not maintainer of those packages19:12
M4rtinK2so, how do we fix this concrete issue ?19:12
DocScrutinizer05I suggest to remove the packages uploaded by tryagain, send tryagain a stern warning not to upload packages he's not approved maintainer of, and revert to the previous version (1.1)19:14
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M4rtinK2sounds good to me19:15
jskarvadDocScrutinizer05: +119:15
DocScrutinizer05add warning about proper use of version strings and avoiding double uploads by all means, to the autobuilder web interface19:15
M4rtinK2that also sounds like a good idea19:17
M4rtinK2I wonder how hard it would be to add some rudimentary check if a build is not in progress ?19:18
xesDocScrutinizer05: drop the last build (if midgard can manage it)19:19
DocScrutinizer05shall I try the "revert to 1.1" link?19:20
DocScrutinizer05NB I have no clue about repos and the midgard stuff19:20
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: what do you think?19:20
freemangordon_I think it is better for the maintainer to reupload the package19:21
xes..last time i fixed a package using midgard i spent a long night fixing db tables by hand19:21
DocScrutinizer05sure, this would be the best solution, for now19:22
DocScrutinizer05err, make that "BUT for now..."19:22
DocScrutinizer05ok, xes convinced me to better not touch that stuff19:22
M4rtinK2so what about bumping version in the source package and uploading that ?19:23
DocScrutinizer05xes: you as well should have administrative access to midgard web UI, no?19:23
freemangordon_M4rtinK2: :nod:19:23
DocScrutinizer05I doubt tryagain had any evil intentions, and prolly the new package is just fine, only autobuilder didn't correctly handle the new version. A known affect19:24
xesDocScrutinizer05: yes. I'm just returning at home. A fullsize keyboard and screen would be better to give a look at it19:24
DocScrutinizer05effect even19:24
DocScrutinizer05xes: aaah I see. let's not rush this19:24
* DocScrutinizer05 is afk, shopping pending19:25
xesanyway... i would be a bit afraid using a package managed in that way19:26
jskarvadguys, thanks for looking on it19:26
DocScrutinizer05jskarvad: thanks for reporting and helping19:26
DocScrutinizer05xes: we should try to contact the _approved_ maintainer first19:28
DocScrutinizer05oooh woglinde
DocScrutinizer05MichaelD aka tryagain's email is @navit-project.org19:34
DocScrutinizer05~seen woglinde19:36
infobotwoglinde <> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 225d 9h 5m 23s ago, saying: 'hi bl'.19:36
xesDocScrutinizer05: i know every detail of the guy. I was worried he was ... malicious19:37
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DocScrutinizer05ok, sufficient for me to never again consider giving him navit maintainership19:38
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DocScrutinizer05shall I reject the maintainership request?19:39
DocScrutinizer05meh, not my call anyway. Who's supposed to handle maintainership requests?19:40
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xesi suppose it would be merlin1991. Isn't he the maintainer?19:48
DocScrutinizer05dunno, I guess garage at should be the mail alias19:49
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DocScrutinizer05didn't find maintanership-takeover requests but I guess they are handled identical to
DocScrutinizer05as a best practice (how it's been planned) I think, usually somebody applies for a new garage project or joins an existing one, then eventually requests upload privileges to extras for that particular project (so the maemo managers can check if the project is actually FOSS with correct GPL etc, simply by looking at the garage project)19:55
DocScrutinizer05it would be a nobrainer to grant maintainership_'takeover' (actually the new maintainer is simly added while the old one still keeps that property - IOW there may be more than one extras pkg maintainer) if the user requesting maintainership is already a contributing member in the associated garage project19:57
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DGFhello ?22:20
DocScrutinizer05new to IRC?22:20
DGFhey, a little new, i wasnt using my n900 for quite awhile22:22
DocScrutinizer05a pity. But they always come back ;-)22:23
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DGFi just found it yesterday and there are some repos that dont work anymore, so i came here to ask if there is a list of currently working repos to be found somewhere ?22:24
infobotrumour has it, repos is "deb ./ ;; deb ./", or see
DocScrutinizer05or use the one-click install on22:24
infobotsomebody said jrrepos was
DGFnice thanks :)22:26
DocScrutinizer05 recommended22:26
DocScrutinizer05just click on the link22:27
DocScrutinizer05also see:22:28
infobotsomebody said cssu was, or (Community Seamless Software Update)22:28
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DGFyeah i got it :) it's such a shame that nokia abandoned this project, still its great that the community can keep n900 alive, that's an awesome device :)22:30
DocScrutinizer05yes :-)22:30
DocScrutinizer05it just has one downside: you never would feel satisfied with any of the inferior crappy 'smartphones' after you got used to maemo and N90022:31
DocScrutinizer05on we had a nice one: "jailbreak?? LOL! On my phone I am root"22:32
DocScrutinizer05another pity: -> "This site has been temporarily disabled, please try again later."22:34
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DocScrutinizer05@council: would you want to place onto web frontpage of
DocScrutinizer05there's prolly nothing wrong with linking to an install file that links to a mirror22:43
DocScrutinizer05I'd suggest I create and you link to that one22:45
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DocScrutinizer05((navit)) see
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