| * Oksana does not use WhatsApp, or Yappari | 00:12 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | Nope, I wouldn't use whatsapp either | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Pali> sometimes when writing on keyboard I want to disable touchpad to not accidentelly touch it and move cursor...)) I had an app for that, which stopped working a few years ago | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | synaptics which had a enable sysnode iirc, or a way to set enable/disable by some other means | 01:07 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: no, there is no sysfs node for synaptic too | 01:09 |
| Pali | but X11 has option to "disable" such input device at X11 level | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it was something different, maybe ioctl | 01:10 |
| Pali | and such X11 application can do this | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or X11 :-) | 01:10 |
| Pali | but it does not mean that it disable device | 01:10 |
| Pali | it just tell Xserver to drop all events from kernel which are for that device :-) | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, quite possible, yes | 01:10 |
| Pali | if you will open it via /dev/input/ you can still read events | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just thought to mention that such usecase and app already existed, so it's no unusual request | 01:11 |
| Pali | yes it exists, e.g. linux tty | 01:12 |
| Pali | ctrl+alt+f1 | 01:12 |
| Pali | and here you want to disable keyboard | 01:12 |
| Pali | no way | 01:12 |
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| Pali | so such filtering needs to be done on kernel level, not in userspace | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please consider a "joshua" magic key-combo to override disable for kbd | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise odds are you're locking out yourself | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6 times ctrl-Q comes to mind | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrr ctrl-Q means "quit" on hotkeys | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3 times left and right shift. Or simply have a sysnode where you write the magic key sequence to, so you can configure it | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | key-down and key-up evens prolly | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope he's reaading the chanlog | 01:20 |
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| Luke-Jr | yep, that USB port is totally broken :/ | 06:58 |
| Luke-Jr | freddd: charge cable snagged getting off a plane. the cable ripped, and the potr has been unreliable since | 06:59 |
| Luke-Jr | before getting on the plane, it broke off entirely | 06:59 |
| Luke-Jr | hope i can solder it back on.. | 06:59 |
| Luke-Jr | switched to my backup N900 on the flight | 07:00 |
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| Maxdamantus | 12:12:39 < Pali> and here you want to disable keyboard | 07:06 |
| Maxdamantus | If Xorg isn't processing your keyboard input so you can't press ctrl | 07:06 |
| Maxdamantus | er, ctrl+alt+f1, you can still use some sysrq combination to switch the input mode then use alt+f1 | 07:06 |
| Maxdamantus | ctrl+alt+sysrq+r | 07:07 |
| Maxdamantus | That can also be useful if you accidentally `cat /dev/console` within Xorg sometime. | 07:09 |
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| freddd | ceene: 10 days quarantine and >10 karma. Today is the 10th day. Five more votes needed. | 09:54 |
| freddd | ceene: do you think you could resolve that package dependency issue in i386? | 09:57 |
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| KotCzarny | afair for packages in free you only need 6 votes | 10:25 |
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| ceene | freddd: I guess I can solve it, yes | 10:53 |
| ceene | but it'd have to be for next release | 10:53 |
| ceene | I don't believe anyone is trying to run yappari on x86 except for me, which I only do while developing, so I don't install the package itself | 10:54 |
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| ceene | site for yappari package says karma 6 out of 6 | 10:54 |
| ceene | so i guess some time in the future it'll get autopromoted to extras? | 10:54 |
| freddd | ceene it would be convenient for future development, in case another maintainer picks up, or so. | 10:55 |
| freddd | I will ask in #maemo-devel (although it is very quiet there). | 10:56 |
| bencoh | freddd: maemo-devel isn't really an active channel :) | 10:59 |
| bencoh | maemo-related stuff happens, or in maemo-ssu (in case of CSSU dev/reports) | 11:00 |
| bencoh | happens here* | 11:00 |
| freddd | Well I am glad so far active voting is being done on the Yappari package. | 11:02 |
| freddd | I think mainly because of the recent mentioning in the thread. | 11:02 |
| freddd | Rather than here in the IRC channel. | 11:02 |
| bencoh | you probably gathered that most of the people that actively read the chan hardly use whatsapp ;) | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:08 |
| ceene | not even the developer uses it very much | 11:10 |
| freddd | It is pretty much the only method of doing popular free texting. | 11:11 |
| freddd | Sadly. | 11:11 |
| freddd | What do you guys do for free texting on your N900? | 11:12 |
| ceene | most of the time i'm sitting in front of a computer | 11:13 |
| ceene | so... jabber, irc, telegram | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | irc/mail | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | and some texting popular in this particular country | 11:23 |
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| freddd | ceene: telegram is available on N900? | 13:14 |
| ceene | freddd: as far as i know there's only a cli version | 13:17 |
| freddd | do you telegram on your n900? | 13:17 |
| ceene | nope | 13:17 |
| ceene | i was thinking that the gui of yappari could be used for telegram library | 13:18 |
| ceene | there are a lots of things I could do... but i don't have the time and sometimes the knowledge to do them | 13:18 |
| freddd | ceene why did you never just work on a back-end plugin for the already existing front-end in Maemo? | 13:19 |
| freddd | I love the unified messaging UI of Maemo. | 13:19 |
| ceene | well, I got over yappari development only a year and half ago | 13:20 |
| ceene | most of it was already done before i even had a n900 | 13:20 |
| ceene | so i can't really answer as to why Scorpius, who is the original coder, decided to do a new thing from scratch | 13:20 |
| ceene | maemo frontend however is not very complete | 13:21 |
| ceene | i don't think it supports media | 13:21 |
| ceene | doesn't support 'read' acks | 13:21 |
| ceene | so it's generally lacking | 13:21 |
| ceene | i think yappari's GUI is better than stock messaging app | 13:22 |
| ceene | maybe it is this GUI the one that could be improved and made the main gui app for maemo | 13:22 |
| ceene | and use telepathy backend | 13:22 |
| ceene | and whatsapp specific code transformed into a telepathy plugin, alongside telegram, etc | 13:22 |
| ceene | as i said, lots of work | 13:24 |
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| ceene | ah, about telegram, there's a plugin for pidgin | 13:26 |
| ceene | that gives you a gui | 13:26 |
| ceene | it's not very cool, though | 13:26 |
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| zGrr | moin | 13:43 |
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| jpt9 | I just found my old 770, and it doesn't seem to boot -- I just get a white screen. Is there any way to try reflashing the device? | 15:34 |
| jpt9 | (I have 0xFFFF on Linux, and it can see the device, but I have no idea if the files I'd be flashing are still available anywhere.) | 15:34 |
| jpt9 | The files aren't on maemo.org, and even when I check the Internet Archive, it wants to verify the product ID, which obviously won't work on an archived version of the page. | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N770_Internet_Tablet_SU-18_firmware_data_package_download | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | maybe those mirrors still work | 15:40 |
| bencoh | iirc arhive.org has the required files | 15:49 |
| bencoh | (look for the skeiron.org mirror at archive.org) | 15:50 |
| jpt9 | Well, I found a fiasco image for the 2008HE for it, but I don't think it's working... | 15:50 |
| KotCzarny | maybe there is another problem with your 770? | 15:51 |
| jpt9 | It keeps trying to flash it, but I get "Primary image not loaded" followed by "Error: Flashing failed". | 15:51 |
| jpt9 | (Also, it seems to keep rebooting on its own.) | 15:51 |
| jpt9 | (And I think something's wrong with the screen.) | 15:51 |
| jpt9 | Also, 0xFFFF can't seem to detect any of the info about the device -- all the versions are listed as "(not detected)" | 15:54 |
| jpt9 | Wonder if the eMMC is just dead or something. | 15:54 |
| enyc | Hrrm..... thinking about maemo and really useful easy-debian chroot etc... | 16:00 |
| enyc | This needs updated images for jessie-armhf ... wheezy-armel is about to go out of support (and not covered by LTS on wheezy i386/amd64!!) | 16:00 |
| enyc | i'm not quite sure how the original images were made, they had various fiddles/hacks for pulseaudio and stuff | 16:01 |
| bencoh | jpt9: try the nokia flasher version (?) | 16:02 |
| bencoh | I dunno if 0xffff has been thoroughly tested with n7xx | 16:02 |
| enyc | such that its' not straightforward to dist-upgrade, and in any case, using armhf and ext4 disk image would be highly desireable and aiui works under power kernel | 16:02 |
| enyc | any ideas?? | 16:02 |
| bencoh | enyc: I think all you need is a patched libc but I might be wrong | 16:03 |
| bencoh | ah right, pulseaudio too if you want to communicate with the main pulseaudio server | 16:04 |
| enyc | bencoh: is there a document/wiki on this ?? | 16:04 |
| enyc | bencoh: contact with any who created the original images (estel??) | 16:04 |
| enyc | bencoh: how/why would libc need patching? | 16:05 |
| enyc | from what I can see jessie can still boot on 2.6.32 at least , it may work with the maemo old power kernel hrrm | 16:05 |
| jpt9 | Trying a different flasher on Windows. (I haven't found the Nokia one yet.) Currently waiting for Windows to find the drivers for my 770 in update mode. | 16:19 |
| jpt9 | And it couldn't find it. | 16:23 |
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| bencoh | enyc: because iirc it needs something introduced around the 2.6.32 | 16:39 |
| bencoh | enyc: there is some info about this on TMO | 16:39 |
| bencoh | jpt9: https://web.archive.org/web/20131117073526/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/d3/ | 16:40 |
| jpt9 | Just tried the Linux one from there; it can't seem to connect to the device. | 16:43 |
| jpt9 | Also, I think it might be booting -- I'm not sure. The screen's unreadable. | 16:45 |
| jpt9 | Does it eventually automatically show up as a USB device when booted? | 16:46 |
| jpt9 | (I remember having to manually tell it to show up as USB storage.) | 16:46 |
| jpt9 | (Or does that only provide access to the RS-MMC card?) | 16:47 |
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| bencoh | jpt9: lsusb ? | 17:19 |
| enyc | bencoh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34550&highlight=debian+libc&page=323 | 17:20 |
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| jpt9 | bencoh: Hang on... I just dug out my old ThinkPad T61, which is still 32-bit. I'm going to try the Nokia updater on it. | 17:23 |
| enyc | jpt9: i believe, the nokia apdated has worked on 64bit system using ia32-libs, but it more seemeed like certain systems/chipsets/usb/whatever weren't being compatible but not sure now been ages since i tried =) | 17:24 |
| enyc | bencoh: thankyou for suggestion TMO etc... useful =) | 17:34 |
| enyc | i wonder why the old easy-debian images were armel at all | 17:34 |
| bencoh | ? | 17:35 |
| enyc | bencoh: older images, squeeze wheezy etc.... | 17:37 |
| enyc | bencoh: looks like armhf didn't exist in squeeze days | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | jpt9: you can also boot some 32bit livecd | 17:42 |
| jpt9 | I'm assuming the Windows updater installs whatever drivers it needs? | 17:44 |
| bencoh | I personally wouldn't even try windows, but... | 17:51 |
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| jpt9 | Got it working. Had to unload the cdc_phonet kernel module; version 3.0 of the 64-bit Linux flasher is working. | 18:28 |
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| jpt9 | Now... what can I do with a freshly-flashed 770 if I can't read what's on the screen? | 18:44 |
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| bencoh | hm? | 18:45 |
| jpt9 | Well, I managed to reflash it, but there's still something wrong with the screen. (I think it died today -- I got a few readable blue Nokia logos this morning.) | 18:47 |
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| Pali | jpt9: is 0xFFFF working with 770? | 18:49 |
| jpt9 | Pali: I couldn't get it to work. | 18:49 |
| Pali | so 0xFFFF does not work? | 18:49 |
| Pali | I do not have 770, so I was not able to test it | 18:49 |
| jpt9 | I'm assuming the update reflashes the entire card (including /home), since it's now displaying what I assume are the out-of-box setup routines? | 18:49 |
| Pali | depends on what are you trying to reflash | 18:50 |
| Pali | which image | 18:50 |
| jpt9 | Hang on... I didn't try it after I unloded the cdc_phonet kernel module. | 18:50 |
| jpt9 | The fiasco one. | 18:50 |
| Pali | 0xFFFF should unload kernel modules if needed | 18:50 |
| Pali | if not this is bug in 0xFFFF | 18:50 |
| Pali | anyway, in 0xFFFF git is new version which uses new libusb1.0 library | 18:51 |
| Pali | so some problems with usb communication should be fixed | 18:51 |
| Pali | if there are problems with 0xFFFF and 770 I can try to fix it | 18:52 |
| jpt9 | Just to double check, I'm running 0xFFFF -M ~/SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 18:52 |
| Pali | thats looks ok, but need to run as root | 18:53 |
| Pali | but first try to identify device | 18:53 |
| jpt9 | Identifying it sort of works. It doesn't managed to get all the information listed. (I built the latest git version.) | 18:54 |
| jpt9 | http://pastebin.com/ihwRHNrM | 18:54 |
| Pali | can you send me lsusb -v output? (under root) | 18:56 |
| Pali | also do you have some nokia flasher? | 18:56 |
| jpt9 | I think? I've got flasher-3.0.amd64, which worked. | 18:57 |
| jpt9 | It doesn't say it's Nokia, though. | 18:57 |
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| jpt9 | Pali: http://pastebin.com/NF0U0NcY (lsusb output) | 19:00 |
| jpt9 | (I'm running the 64-bit version of Xubuntu 15.10 on a ThinkPad X220, if that matters.) | 19:00 |
| Pali | flasher-3.0.amd64 is probably static linked and for debugging static linked elf binaries are useles | 19:01 |
| Pali | that garbage in R&D flags looks like some bug | 19:01 |
| jpt9 | Pali: Actually, that might've been me. Think I might have accidentally written the name of the file I was trying to flash there by accident or something.) | 19:02 |
| Pali | you have 64bit machine, go to 0xFFFF/src dir and call: make libusb-sniff-64.so | 19:02 |
| Pali | this will build library for debugging | 19:03 |
| jpt9 | Done. What now? | 19:03 |
| jpt9 | Ah. | 19:03 |
| Pali | and then run 0xFFFF as: sudo LD_PRELOAD=./libusb-sniff-64.so ./0xFFFF --params | 19:03 |
| Pali | and try to identify device again | 19:03 |
| Pali | $ sudo LD_PRELOAD=./libusb-sniff-64.so ./0xFFFF -I | 19:04 |
| Pali | it will print all usb packets to stdout | 19:04 |
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| Pali | this will help me identify why it get such garbage | 19:04 |
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| jpt9 | It's giving a bit more debugging info (I think), but it's not printing packets: http://pastebin.com/TgJrnDvT | 19:06 |
| Pali | ah, its broken | 19:08 |
| Pali | w8, I will fix it | 19:08 |
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| Pali | jpt9: should be fixed in git on github | 19:25 |
| Pali | jpt9: libusb-sniff on 0xFFFF now show me usb packets from n900 device | 19:26 |
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| Pali | git pull && make && make libusb-sniff-64.so | 19:30 |
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| Pali | jpt9: and now I fixed that garbage for R&D flags | 19:40 |
| Pali | missing buffer initialization, thanks for report! | 19:40 |
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| jpt9 | Pali: http://pastebin.com/3Dd9rtM9 | 20:00 |
| kerio | who was talking about updating NSS in microb? | 20:01 |
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| KotCzarny | jonwil? | 20:01 |
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| Pali | jpt9: ok, looks like nolo on 770 does not send version information | 20:06 |
| Pali | jpt9: can you try to query R&D flags via flasher-3.0.amd64? | 20:06 |
| kerio | we really ought to compile chacha20-poly1305 in it | 20:07 |
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| jpt9 | Pali: http://pastebin.com/dXU4rf9V | 20:14 |
| jpt9 | Don't think it lists the flags. | 20:14 |
| jpt9 | Or maybe I broke something? | 20:14 |
| jpt9 | (As in wrote something invalid to them with another tool?) | 20:14 |
| Pali | jpt9: does not have that nokia flasher some param which show R&D flags? | 20:17 |
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| jpt9 | I used --query-rd-mode Query the device R&D mode status and flags | 20:19 |
| jpt9 | Which I think should get the flags. | 20:19 |
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| Pali | yes | 20:19 |
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| jpt9 | Hang on... rebooting... | 20:19 |
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| jpt9 | Back. | 20:21 |
| Pali | jpt9: do you have 32bit version of flasher (name flasher-3.0)? | 20:22 |
| jpt9 | No; I've just got the 64-bi version. | 20:22 |
| jpt9 | (I couldn't get the 32-bit one to run.) | 20:22 |
| Pali | that one is dynamically linked and so sniffer will work with it | 20:22 |
| Pali | you just need 32bit libusb-0.1.so.4 lib | 20:23 |
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| jpt9 | Pali: When I try running it, I get a "No such file or directory" message, which is rather odd. | 20:23 |
| jpt9 | (I suppose I'd expect something more verbose if it was an issue with 32 vs 64-bit.) | 20:23 |
| Pali | maybe you do not have 32bit libs available in system | 20:24 |
| Pali | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 | 20:24 |
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| Pali | jpt9: your output is correct | 21:35 |
| Pali | 0xFFFF parsed data correctly | 21:35 |
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| ecc3g | i need to take my n900 apart... some of the inside screws seem loose and catching each other on the slide... | 22:26 |
| ecc3g | so so lazy... or rather, worried about making it worse than it is. | 22:26 |
| bencoh | read the service manuals first :) | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, strongly recommended. There are hardly any "inside screws" that could cause trouble. What's known though is slider magnet getting loose | 22:34 |
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| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: aren't there 4 screws (two apparent)? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are 6 screws which hold the screen half together | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are the only ones that might get loose and cause trouble while sliding | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you got 4 Philips screws visible in battery compartment that hold the complete slider mech in place, but thiose won't have any impact on the slider operation | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | two of the 6 screws in display half are visible when slider open | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://pdadb.net/download/nokia_n900_rx-51_service_manual_l1-l2_v1_0.pdf | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/23/plasma-desktopPq3616.png | 22:46 |
| ecc3g | my guess is that screws 1 and 2 are loose and hitting the slider. Unfortunately it looks like I have to do quite a bit of disassembly to retighten... I might well investigate the earpiece speaker at the same time. | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to do any large disassembling for reaching the screws. Just unscrew the the 4 philips in pic #6 and carefully disconnect the flat flex cable (pic 7) | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need any of the other disassembly steps | 23:14 |
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