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ceene | DocScrutinizer51: 77.5KHz is probably well above then bandpass filter of the audio input of a typical pc | 11:26 |
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ceene | lowpass filter | 11:26 |
Maxdamantus | It's only approximately 1.614*48 KHz | 11:28 |
Maxdamantus | so I imagine it'd still cause noise. | 11:28 |
KotCzarny | or just split into 2 channels | 11:28 |
KotCzarny | or use any tone lowering filter | 11:29 |
* Maxdamantus would probably be surprised if typical PCs had low-pass filters on input. | 11:29 | |
Maxdamantus | What sample rate would they do the filter at? | 11:30 |
ceene | imput bandwidth is probably lower than output | 11:30 |
ceene | unless we're speaking topgrade cards | 11:30 |
KotCzarny | many onboard audio chips support up to 192khz | 11:30 |
ceene | integrated cards on the board are pretty shitty | 11:31 |
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ceene | i always hear crosstalk from the cdrom or card reader | 11:31 |
ceene | well, maybe that proves your point that some signal level will reach the adc :& | 11:32 |
* Maxdamantus has guessed that crosstalk is likely to be external to the ADC. | 11:33 | |
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ceene | we can always test this all, not that it's very complicated | 11:34 |
KotCzarny | i prefer techn tunes | 11:35 |
ceene | s/complicated/complex/ | 11:35 |
ceene | i think complicated is spanglish :D | 11:36 |
KotCzarny | there is such word | 11:36 |
KotCzarny | no worries | 11:36 |
Maxdamantus | The movie with Adam Sandler and Jennifer Anniston? | 11:36 |
Maxdamantus | Oh, not Jennifer Anniston. | 11:36 |
ceene | in the end we'd have to fight with aliasing and all that | 11:37 |
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jonwil | I will never understand why Hollywood gives unfunny no-talent so-called "actors" like Adam Sandler the time of day, let alone resources to make big budget movies... | 14:25 |
KotCzarny | if you dont know, its almost sure its.. money | 14:26 |
buZz | quite sure its money :P | 14:28 |
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Hurrian | jonwil: Adam Sandler funds his own movies now, people absolutely eat it up | 14:54 |
jonwil | I remember being somewhat excited for Pixels (being a lover of old arcade games and things) but then in the months between its initial release in cinemas and its release in Australian cinemas I found out how crap it was and decided not to go see it :) | 14:55 |
Hurrian | I dunno, I kinda smelled Pixels to be a total cash-in from the trailer - Adam Sandler starring in it was the icing on the cake. | 14:57 |
jonwil | I didn't realize it had Sandler in it until a while after I had seen the trailer | 14:57 |
jonwil | If I had known Sandler was in it when I saw the trailer it would have been obvious how crap it was right off the bat | 14:57 |
jonwil | I suspect my taste in TV and movies is different to the norm given that I absolutely HATE a good whack of what ends up on prime time TV here in Australia | 14:58 |
Hurrian | Eh, a lot of prime time TV is deliberately made to be mass-produced, mindless entertainment. You won't find anything too exciting or edgy, thanks to family-friendly focus groups ;) | 14:59 |
jonwil | Get garbage like "Australia's Got Talent", "Farmer Wants a Wife", "My Kitchen Rules", "I | 14:59 |
Hurrian | Which is too bad, flipping through TV channels is a way better interface for finding shows than trying to search in an IPTV app. | 15:00 |
jonwil | That is why the ABC is so good, they have all the good TV | 15:01 |
Hurrian | jonwil: Most of what's on History nowadays - kinda feels like an unironic caricature of modern day TV | 15:01 |
jonwil | The ABC runs all the stuff no commercial network would touch | 15:02 |
bencoh | I dont think you're really supposed to actually watch prime-time TV | 15:02 |
jonwil | SBS is even better sometimes, running all the wierd stuff and all the foreign language stuff | 15:02 |
Hurrian | welp, public television in my country is like, totally dead. | 15:02 |
bencoh | people just sit in front of it, that's all | 15:02 |
Hurrian | they just rerun 20 year old educational programs. | 15:02 |
bencoh | jonwil: oh, and ... arcade games <3 | 15:03 |
Hurrian | actually planning to cut my cable service, and use the cash I saved to upgrade to 100/100mbit, and get my shows that way... *wink wink* | 15:04 |
jonwil | Oh and I totally agree about History, they used to have some good shows in the past (Modern Marvels, Tales of the Gun and Mail Call for example) | 15:05 |
jonwil | I refuse to pay the overpriced rip-off merchants at Foxtel (monopoly pay TV operator in Australia and owned by the same guy who owns all those Sky operations in Europe) | 15:06 |
Hurrian | jonwil: the downward slide in documentary channels started when they first did reality TV :/ | 15:06 |
jonwil | Both because its overpriced and full of crap (and even crappier ads) and because I refuse to give Rupert Murdoch a cent of my money if I can get away with it | 15:07 |
jonwil | I dont visit his "news" websites or read his newspapers (which are really only good for wrapping fish & chips) either | 15:08 |
Hurrian | jeez, if there are any bigger money grubbers than ISPs, it's cable operators. | 15:08 |
Hurrian | I still seriously detest having to hook up a cable STB, with a terribad interface to my TV. | 15:09 |
Hurrian | not to mention cable providers overlaying their own ads on the programming. yuck. | 15:09 |
kerio | i have a 100/20 | 15:09 |
kerio | feels good man | 15:09 |
bencoh | ceene: I wonder how hard it would be to have libwa play nice with telepathy | 15:10 |
bencoh | (vs porting yappari to use libwa) | 15:10 |
ceene | bencoh: telepathy is the thingy that is called "Conversations" ? | 15:11 |
Hurrian | jonwil: oh, and funny story - while I know that Telstra's known down under to be one of the greedier ISPs, they're setting up a joint venture in my country to put up a new ISP. | 15:11 |
ceene | and all that? | 15:11 |
ceene | i don't know, I guess it could be done | 15:11 |
Avasz | using n900 as irssi server. I don't know what else to do, any ideas for simple projects? | 15:11 |
bencoh | ceene: Conversations is based on telepathy, yeah | 15:11 |
Hurrian | pretty much scared the local ISPs to up their game - I got boosted from 8/4 to 50/50 :D | 15:11 |
jonwil | Yeah Telstra are greedy bastards | 15:11 |
ceene | i wouldn't even know where to start, as you can see :) | 15:11 |
bencoh | me neither to be honest | 15:12 |
bencoh | check the telepathy/jabber plugin maybe | 15:12 |
ceene | it should be the most similar, yeah | 15:12 |
Hurrian | kerio: can't wait 'till we can treat the Internet as a LAN | 15:13 |
jonwil | https://github.com/community-ssu/rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber is likely to help with that | 15:13 |
ceene | thanks, jonwil | 15:13 |
ceene | i'll take a look at it | 15:13 |
bencoh | that's only the rtcom part, but yeah | 15:14 |
ceene | first things first, though, i still have to backport libwa to qt4 | 15:14 |
bencoh | yeah | 15:14 |
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jonwil | I currently pay $35 per month to Telstra for home phone line rental plus $49.99 per month to someone else for ADSL2+ (I am currently syncing at 9215kbps down and 984kbps up) on top of that line (for that I get 250GB per month to use during peek times and 250GB per month for off-peak times and I haven't come anywhere near running out) | 15:16 |
ceene | that's quite expensive | 15:17 |
jonwil | not for Australia its not | 15:17 |
ceene | i'm paying 23 euros for adsl2+ (more or less same synchronization values as yours), without a phone line | 15:18 |
Hurrian | jeebus, $35/month for home phone | 15:18 |
ceene | though this is by far the cheapest here in spain | 15:18 |
jonwil | all the cheap plans are with crappy ISPs or have nearly zero monthly quota (or both) | 15:18 |
bencoh | australia telco are pretty fucked-up | 15:18 |
ceene | i pay anveo.com $2/month for a SIP number with local numbering | 15:18 |
Hurrian | jonwil: what's the overage cost past 250GB? | 15:18 |
ceene | it sounds like crap, but it's cheap as fuck | 15:18 |
jonwil | None, if you exceed 250GB you get your speed cut right back until the end of the billing cycle | 15:18 |
ceene | and I don't have any data caps: as much as I can download/upload with the bandwidth i get | 15:18 |
bencoh | actually the only fact that they still have "quotas" proves it - they're just insane | 15:19 |
ceene | yeah | 15:19 |
bencoh | no, being an island doesn't make for a good excuse | 15:19 |
jonwil | Ask ISPs what they are paying for bandwidth to the USA right now and you might change that tune | 15:20 |
jonwil | I also pay $16.99 a month for my mobile phone service (which is close to the cheapest you can get in Australia) | 15:20 |
Hurrian | jonwil: yikes, presumably after 250GB you get slowed down real bad? | 15:22 |
jonwil | Never come close to using up that 250GB so I dont know | 15:22 |
KotCzarny | i pay ~12usd for 10/10 line, no tv/landline phone, cellphone is ~2usd/year (mostly for receiving calls) | 15:22 |
Hurrian | ever since I got bumped to 50/50, I've been eating up ~2TB/month, and don't think I can ever go back | 15:22 |
ceene | Hurrian: i got that for a while... it was pretty cool, but in the end i didn't even know how to use that much bandwidth | 15:23 |
bencoh | KotCzarny: err, living in poland doesn't exactly cost the same either ;) | 15:23 |
KotCzarny | :) | 15:23 |
bencoh | (same as, say, australia, USA, or even france) | 15:23 |
ceene | it was when megaupload was alive, so i just clicked on "download", waited for 20 seconds and watched a tv show | 15:23 |
ceene | i could download things faster than i could even sort them, let alone watch them | 15:24 |
ceene | 640k are enough for everyone | 15:24 |
Hurrian | ceene: I used to max out my 2mbps ADSL connection 24 hours a day, nowadays I barely use half of my bandwidth | 15:24 |
jonwil | That mobile plan gets me $550 worth of credit for calls and texts (so everything except video calls, international roaming and special premium numbers) and it gets me 1GB of datga | 15:24 |
jonwil | 1GB of data | 15:25 |
Hurrian | unless I start rsyncing my entire drives... in realtime, I don't think I'll ever saturate my link with... uhh, legal content | 15:25 |
KotCzarny | hurrian, if you dont eat shows, 10/10 is more than enough | 15:25 |
jonwil | Excess mobile data costs me 10c/MB | 15:25 |
jonwil | but again 1GB is enough given that I dont use a lot of mobile data | 15:25 |
KotCzarny | i started to like always on mobile plans, even slowed to 32kbit/s | 15:25 |
KotCzarny | enough for irc/quick info checking | 15:25 |
jonwil | My N900 is on WiFi when I am at home or at family houses etc | 15:25 |
Hurrian | KotCzarny: I'd go with about 20/10, if in a multi-user household. Those YouTube/Netflix streams add up quick ;) | 15:26 |
jonwil | and when I am out speeds aren't good enough to do anything heavy with | 15:26 |
KotCzarny | hurrian, im the only user of the net, so its enough | 15:26 |
kerio | i can hardly saturate my 9MB/s down :( | 15:26 |
jonwil | but really its Telstra who are the greedy ones here in Australia | 15:27 |
bencoh | kerio: B or b? | 15:27 |
kerio | B | 15:27 |
kerio | i'm paying for 100/20, i'm getting a pretty solid 75/20 | 15:27 |
bencoh | nice | 15:27 |
jonwil | I can saturate my link easily enough if I download large files | 15:27 |
KotCzarny | tbh, having public ip and solid uplink is much more important for me | 15:28 |
KotCzarny | sshfs etc | 15:28 |
jonwil | or watch stuff on various YouTube clone sites | 15:28 |
jonwil | or on legitimate "catch-up" sites from the TV networks | 15:29 |
jonwil | or YouTube itself for that matter :) | 15:29 |
KotCzarny | seriously, grab a book | 15:29 |
KotCzarny | :P | 15:29 |
Hurrian | kerio: tbh, even if I did torrent 24/7, there's still no way to practically keep a 20+mbit line saturated | 15:30 |
kerio | 20 is pretty easy | 15:30 |
kerio | it's barely 1MB/s down | 15:30 |
Hurrian | nah, isn't it ~2.4MB? | 15:30 |
kerio | it's like a handful of downloads plus a stream | 15:30 |
KotCzarny | 20 is 2.4MB | 15:30 |
kerio | yeah but 20 means like 18 at best | 15:30 |
KotCzarny | kerio, not true | 15:31 |
kerio | adsl2+'s theoretical limit is 24mbps in optimal conditions | 15:31 |
KotCzarny | who says adsl? | 15:31 |
KotCzarny | adsl is when you are in rural area | 15:31 |
KotCzarny | :P | 15:31 |
kerio | ? | 15:31 |
buZz | actually no | 15:31 |
Hurrian | yeah, once you pass 10mbit, you gotta go fiber else packet loss just eats the speed away ;) | 15:31 |
KotCzarny | civilised areas have WANs | 15:31 |
buZz | copper wires are quite good | 15:31 |
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kerio | KotCzarny: do they, now | 15:32 |
kerio | how would that happen? | 15:32 |
buZz | adsl can go up to 80mbps fullduplex here | 15:32 |
buZz | well, vsdsl | 15:32 |
kerio | that's why i said adsl2+ | 15:32 |
Hurrian | yeah, VDSL, very different beast from adsl | 15:32 |
kerio | i have a 100/20 vdsl :3 | 15:32 |
buZz | rawr | 15:32 |
buZz | sexy | 15:32 |
kerio | vdsl pretty much requires fiber to the cabinet tho | 15:32 |
Hurrian | also, ADSL is kinda unappetizing past 10mbps because of that upload speed wall | 15:32 |
buZz | nope | 15:32 |
buZz | kerio: vdsl just goes over normal phone cables | 15:33 |
kerio | it's even more dependant on the distance | 15:33 |
kerio | yes | 15:33 |
buZz | the POPs need fiber, yes | 15:33 |
kerio | which is why i said to the cabinet | 15:33 |
buZz | but all POPs do | 15:33 |
KotCzarny | adsl is unappetizing because of the first hop latency | 15:33 |
kerio | hAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH | 15:33 |
buZz | kerio: unless you live in underdeveloped nation :P | 15:33 |
buZz | in which case i have feels for you | 15:33 |
kerio | well | 15:33 |
kerio | i live in italy | 15:33 |
buZz | poor kid | 15:34 |
kerio | which means that my bum doesn't have shit on it | 15:34 |
kerio | it's tradeoffs | 15:34 |
buZz | come to westcoast | 15:34 |
Hurrian | >mfw 50/50 in third world shithole | 15:34 |
buZz | its lovely | 15:34 |
Hurrian | never want to leave home now | 15:34 |
kerio | i'm pretty sure you can't legally sell a building as a house without it having a functioning bathroom with a bidet, here | 15:34 |
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KotCzarny | there is 100/100 and 500/500 service available for ~20usd/mo | 15:34 |
buZz | kerio: spraying water at your anus is so much more important than having functional internet | 15:35 |
buZz | clearly | 15:35 |
kerio | ...yes it is | 15:35 |
kerio | it really, really is | 15:36 |
KotCzarny | 15usd for 100/100, and 20usd for 500/500 | 15:36 |
KotCzarny | :) | 15:36 |
buZz | 500 fdx costs 70 eu/month here | 15:36 |
buZz | but, no datalimits | 15:36 |
Hurrian | KotCzarny: "brb, setting up a datacenter" | 15:36 |
KotCzarny | hurrian, nah, home cloud is enough | 15:36 |
buZz | lol cloud | 15:36 |
buZz | http://www.bristolwireless.net/wp-content/uploads/cache/2015/01/thereisnocloud-final/-1336573948.png | 15:37 |
buZz | ;) | 15:37 |
KotCzarny | :) | 15:37 |
KotCzarny | that's why its sucky one has to pay for external STATIC ip | 15:37 |
KotCzarny | but at least its an option | 15:37 |
Hurrian | KotCzarny: with offsite backups, I hope ;) | 15:37 |
KotCzarny | which is unavailable on *dsl | 15:38 |
buZz | KotCzarny: just abandon ipv4 | 15:38 |
KotCzarny | well, in sane pricing range at least | 15:38 |
buZz | get a he.net tunnel | 15:38 |
buZz | you'll have the same static ipv6 adres-ses- for as long as you have the he.net account | 15:39 |
buZz | also, he.net has no issues pumping 1gbps of ipv6 :P | 15:39 |
KotCzarny | buzz, lot of assle | 15:39 |
KotCzarny | *hassle | 15:39 |
buZz | nah ipv6 is easy | 15:39 |
buZz | no more nat | 15:39 |
KotCzarny | buzz, you need to configure all your devices for it | 15:39 |
buZz | yeah you should have been doing that last 5-10 years already | 15:40 |
buZz | why are you waiting :P | 15:40 |
KotCzarny | laziness? | 15:40 |
bencoh | 20mbs is pretty easy with torrents :) | 15:40 |
bencoh | like, really easy :) | 15:40 |
Hurrian | bencoh: I use Ubuntu torrents to do line tests nowadays - the hard part's sustaining 20mbps all day, everyday | 15:41 |
bencoh | "the hard part" ? | 15:41 |
KotCzarny | bencoh, lots of clicking probably | 15:42 |
KotCzarny | ;) | 15:42 |
bencoh | (and I meant "pretty easy to saturate it) | 15:42 |
KotCzarny | bencoh, unless you download 50G images, you have to click a lot | 15:43 |
bencoh | I never said "download only" :) | 15:44 |
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jonwil | Seeding some popular torrents is a great way to really push a broadband connection | 15:52 |
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Sicelo | re: yappari + telepathy .. one of challenges also going to be emoji support, i think. also, N900 Conversations doesn't receive/send files. I guess it would be fixable? But i'm not aware that anyone did so to date. | 18:14 |
bencoh | Sicelo: see emojifix from thp | 18:19 |
bencoh | dunno if it would be enough, but ... | 18:19 |
Sicelo | looking at it :) | 18:22 |
Sicelo | seems involved. most yappari users have hard time getting a log from /home/user/.config/scorpius/ | 18:23 |
ceene | some of them have trouble even installing yappari | 18:26 |
KotCzarny | :> | 18:26 |
ceene | which sometimes irritates me, some other times amuse me | 18:26 |
ceene | i'm having an stupid problem right now with c++ | 18:26 |
ceene | i don't understand a thing about this shit | 18:26 |
ceene | isn't it supposed to allow function overloading? | 18:27 |
Sicelo | actually, yappari clearly disproves the general belief that N900 is a geek's phone :) | 18:27 |
bencoh | well ... I guess there still are some non-term-savvy n900 users | 18:27 |
KotCzarny | yes | 18:27 |
KotCzarny | but what is the problem? | 18:27 |
bencoh | which is quite good in a way | 18:27 |
ceene | src/qtjson.cpp:60: error: too many arguments to function 'QVariant QtJson::parse(const QString&)' | 18:27 |
ceene | but | 18:28 |
ceene | it's stupid | 18:28 |
KotCzarny | maybe you need to define that variant in .h ? | 18:28 |
ceene | because the function doing the calling is that parse(QString) | 18:28 |
ceene | which inside does | 18:28 |
ceene | return parse(json, success); | 18:28 |
ceene | and there's another function | 18:28 |
ceene | QVariant parse(const QString &json, bool &success) | 18:28 |
ceene | so the first one is supposed to be a wrapper around the second one | 18:28 |
ceene | but for some reason, the compiler doesn't understand this | 18:29 |
ceene | both are defined in a .h file, inside: namespace QtJson { QVariant parse(const QString &json); QVariant parse(const QString &json, bool &success); } | 18:29 |
bencoh | c++11 maybe (?) | 18:30 |
bencoh | try building with a recent g++ | 18:30 |
ceene | ah | 18:30 |
ceene | alright | 18:30 |
ceene | forget about it | 18:30 |
ceene | there was an include missing | 18:30 |
ceene | i was just about to go crazy over this | 18:30 |
ceene | ok | 18:31 |
ceene | http://www.cassandraroseclarke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/goodnewseveryone.png | 18:32 |
ceene | libwa has compiled against qt4 | 18:32 |
ceene | there are only two functions that I've commented out for the moment, because I don't know still how to solve a small thing | 18:33 |
ceene | but it's regarding phone calls | 18:33 |
ceene | without which we can obviously live | 18:33 |
bencoh | phone calls? | 18:35 |
ceene | voice calls, I meant | 18:35 |
ceene | from yappari | 18:35 |
ceene | is not something i really plan to support like ever... | 18:36 |
ceene | but if libwa implements it, it'd be done sooner or later | 18:36 |
ceene | i'm gonna send coderus a pull request for this | 18:36 |
ceene | so he can check it out and review if i've broken something... | 18:36 |
bencoh | he should be available on irc as well, if you need | 18:37 |
Sicelo | people would definitely worship you if voice calls ever came to N900/yappari :p | 18:37 |
bencoh | what's this voicecalls feature? I thought you couldn't place calls through whatsapp? | 18:38 |
Sicelo | it's been available for a while now | 18:38 |
bencoh | oh | 18:39 |
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ceene | i don't know how to use bitbucke | 18:40 |
ceene | i don't know how to tell it to fork coderus' repo | 18:41 |
ceene | in github that's evident | 18:41 |
ceene | don't understand a thing | 18:43 |
ceene | anyway | 18:43 |
ceene | now i have to see if i can port yappari to this thing | 18:43 |
ceene | Sicelo: have you had the opportunity to test last version of yappari? | 18:44 |
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Sicelo | what's the latest :) .25, or .26? | 18:52 |
ceene | the bigger the latest | 18:52 |
Sicelo | with .25, all is working as normal. i still can't IM my sister though | 18:52 |
Sicelo | i didn't try .26 | 18:52 |
ceene | try .26 if you can | 18:52 |
Sicelo | will install shortly | 18:52 |
ceene | it tries a little thing | 18:53 |
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Sicelo | installed. my sister seems away .. will let you know how it goes | 19:11 |
ceene | ok, thanks | 19:14 |
ceene | wish us all good luck :) | 19:14 |
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Sicelo | ceene: seems it's "working." 1 friend with iphone says his 1st message doesn't reach me. but i have got subsequent messages from where | 19:22 |
ceene | ok | 19:22 |
ceene | little by little | 19:22 |
KotCzarny | j #linux-sunxi | 19:23 |
ceene | there may be some way to explicitly request a resent of some message | 19:23 |
KotCzarny | doh. | 19:23 |
ceene | or maybe not | 19:23 |
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ceene | https://www.meneame.net/backend/media?type=post&id=2364151&version=0&ts=1455469936&image.jpeg | 19:43 |
ceene | this has been seen on TV :) | 19:43 |
ceene | a couple hours ago | 19:44 |
Sicelo | you guys watch the real deal! | 19:44 |
KotCzarny | bad date | 19:44 |
KotCzarny | not to mention ancient rh | 19:45 |
ceene | it must have been some embedded hardware | 19:45 |
ceene | at least we know all disks are ok! | 19:45 |
ceene | http://soundandpicture.com/2013/08/orads-new-lightweight-hdvg-2go-server-delivers-powerful-real-time-graphics-rendering/ | 19:47 |
ceene | it looks like it could be this thing | 19:47 |
ceene | http://bmts.vn/Portals/0/Solutions/Devices/29/HDVG_2.pdf | 19:48 |
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ceene | navit seems to have been misuploaded | 22:38 |
ceene | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/navit/navit-data_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563_all.deb Size mismatch | 22:38 |
ceene | and all the other navit related packages as well | 22:38 |
KotCzarny | how come its misuploaded if it had to go through autobuilder? | 22:40 |
ceene | i don't know | 22:41 |
ceene | don't know how it works, really | 22:41 |
KotCzarny | try refreshing repos | 22:41 |
ceene | i just know that apt complains about that | 22:41 |
ceene | i've done that 5 times today to check :) | 22:41 |
KotCzarny | :) | 22:41 |
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ceene | i've just promoted yappari 2.0.26 | 22:46 |
ceene | at least it doesn't break anything new | 22:46 |
ceene | little by little i'll be trying now to port yappari to libwa | 22:46 |
ceene | who knows, it may not be as hard as i think it's gonna be | 22:46 |
ceene | its API seems cool enough | 22:47 |
ceene | and the code is better structured that the one i have now, yet similar | 22:47 |
ceene | it's clear it all comes from the same place | 22:47 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: (navit) ask staff ( merlin1991, freemangordon?) to have a look into it. lockups in autobuilder are not unheard of | 22:56 |
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