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ceeneDocScrutinizer51: 77.5KHz is probably well above then bandpass filter of the audio input of a typical pc11:26
ceenelowpass filter11:26
MaxdamantusIt's only approximately 1.614*48 KHz11:28
Maxdamantusso I imagine it'd still cause noise.11:28
KotCzarnyor just split into 2 channels11:28
KotCzarnyor use any tone lowering filter11:29
* Maxdamantus would probably be surprised if typical PCs had low-pass filters on input.11:29
MaxdamantusWhat sample rate would they do the filter at?11:30
ceeneimput bandwidth is probably lower than output11:30
ceeneunless we're speaking topgrade cards11:30
KotCzarnymany onboard audio chips support up to 192khz11:30
ceeneintegrated cards on the board are pretty shitty11:31
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ceenei always hear crosstalk from the cdrom or card reader11:31
ceenewell, maybe that proves your point that some signal level will reach the adc :&11:32
* Maxdamantus has guessed that crosstalk is likely to be external to the ADC.11:33
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ceenewe can always test this all, not that it's very complicated11:34
KotCzarnyi prefer techn tunes11:35
ceenes/complicated/complex/11:35
ceenei think complicated is spanglish :D11:36
KotCzarnythere is such word11:36
KotCzarnyno worries11:36
MaxdamantusThe movie with Adam Sandler and Jennifer Anniston?11:36
MaxdamantusOh, not Jennifer Anniston.11:36
ceenein the end we'd have to fight with aliasing and all that11:37
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jonwilI will never understand why Hollywood gives unfunny no-talent so-called "actors" like Adam Sandler the time of day, let alone resources to make big budget movies...14:25
KotCzarnyif you dont know, its almost sure its.. money14:26
buZzquite sure its money :P14:28
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Hurrianjonwil: Adam Sandler funds his own movies now, people absolutely eat it up14:54
jonwilI remember being somewhat excited for Pixels (being a lover of old arcade games and things) but then in the months between its initial release in cinemas and its release in Australian cinemas I found out how crap it was and decided not to go see it :)14:55
HurrianI dunno, I kinda smelled Pixels to be a total cash-in from the trailer - Adam Sandler starring in it was the icing on the cake.14:57
jonwilI didn't realize it had Sandler in it until a while after I had seen the trailer14:57
jonwilIf I had known Sandler was in it when I saw the trailer it would have been obvious how crap it was right off the bat14:57
jonwilI suspect my taste in TV and movies is different to the norm given that I absolutely HATE a good whack of what ends up on prime time TV here in Australia14:58
HurrianEh, a lot of prime time TV is deliberately made to be mass-produced, mindless entertainment. You won't find anything too exciting or edgy, thanks to family-friendly focus groups ;)14:59
jonwilGet garbage like "Australia's Got Talent", "Farmer Wants a Wife", "My Kitchen Rules", "I14:59
HurrianWhich is too bad, flipping through TV channels is a way better interface for finding shows than trying to search in an IPTV app.15:00
jonwilThat is why the ABC is so good, they have all the good TV15:01
Hurrianjonwil: Most of what's on History nowadays - kinda feels like an unironic caricature of modern day TV15:01
jonwilThe ABC runs all the stuff no commercial network would touch15:02
bencohI dont think you're really supposed to actually watch prime-time TV15:02
jonwilSBS is even better sometimes, running all the wierd stuff and all the foreign language stuff15:02
Hurrianwelp, public television in my country is like, totally dead.15:02
bencohpeople just sit in front of it, that's all15:02
Hurrianthey just rerun 20 year old educational programs.15:02
bencohjonwil: oh, and ... arcade games <315:03
Hurrianactually planning to cut my cable service, and use the cash I saved to upgrade to 100/100mbit, and get my shows that way... *wink wink*15:04
jonwilOh and I totally agree about History, they used to have some good shows in the past (Modern Marvels, Tales of the Gun and Mail Call for example)15:05
jonwilI refuse to pay the overpriced rip-off merchants at Foxtel (monopoly pay TV operator in Australia and owned by the same guy who owns all those Sky operations in Europe)15:06
Hurrianjonwil: the downward slide in documentary channels started when they first did reality TV :/15:06
jonwilBoth because its overpriced and full of crap (and even crappier ads) and because I refuse to give Rupert Murdoch a cent of my money if I can get away with it15:07
jonwilI dont visit his "news" websites or read his newspapers (which are really only good for wrapping fish & chips) either15:08
Hurrianjeez, if there are any bigger money grubbers than ISPs, it's cable operators.15:08
HurrianI still seriously detest having to hook up a cable STB, with a terribad interface to my TV.15:09
Hurriannot to mention cable providers overlaying their own ads on the programming. yuck.15:09
kerioi have a 100/2015:09
keriofeels good man15:09
bencohceene: I wonder how hard it would be to have libwa play nice with telepathy15:10
bencoh(vs porting yappari to use libwa)15:10
ceenebencoh: telepathy is the thingy that is called "Conversations" ?15:11
Hurrianjonwil: oh, and funny story - while I know that Telstra's known down under to be one of the greedier ISPs, they're setting up a joint venture in my country to put up a new ISP.15:11
ceeneand all that?15:11
ceenei don't know, I guess it could be done15:11
Avaszusing n900 as irssi server. I don't know what else to do, any ideas for simple projects?15:11
bencohceene: Conversations is based on telepathy, yeah15:11
Hurrianpretty much scared the local ISPs to up their game - I got boosted from 8/4 to 50/50 :D15:11
jonwilYeah Telstra are greedy bastards15:11
ceenei wouldn't even know where to start, as you can see :)15:11
bencohme neither to be honest15:12
bencohcheck the telepathy/jabber plugin maybe15:12
ceeneit should be the most similar, yeah15:12
Hurriankerio: can't wait 'till we can treat the Internet as a LAN15:13
jonwilhttps://github.com/community-ssu/rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber is likely to help with that15:13
ceenethanks, jonwil15:13
ceenei'll take a look at it15:13
bencohthat's only the rtcom part, but yeah15:14
ceenefirst things first, though, i still have to backport libwa to qt415:14
bencohyeah15:14
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jonwilI currently pay $35 per month to Telstra for home phone line rental plus $49.99 per month to someone else for ADSL2+ (I am currently syncing at 9215kbps down and 984kbps up) on top of that line (for that I get 250GB per month to use during peek times and 250GB per month for off-peak times and I haven't come anywhere near running out)15:16
ceenethat's quite expensive15:17
jonwilnot for Australia its not15:17
ceenei'm paying 23 euros for adsl2+ (more or less same synchronization values as yours), without a phone line15:18
Hurrianjeebus, $35/month for home phone15:18
ceenethough this is by far the cheapest here in spain15:18
jonwilall the cheap plans are with crappy ISPs or have nearly zero monthly quota (or both)15:18
bencohaustralia telco are pretty fucked-up15:18
ceenei pay anveo.com $2/month for a SIP number with local numbering15:18
Hurrianjonwil: what's the overage cost past 250GB?15:18
ceeneit sounds like crap, but it's cheap as fuck15:18
jonwilNone, if you exceed 250GB you get your speed cut right back until the end of the billing cycle15:18
ceeneand I don't have any data caps: as much as I can download/upload with the bandwidth i get15:18
bencohactually the only fact that they still have "quotas" proves it - they're just insane15:19
ceeneyeah15:19
bencohno, being an island doesn't make for a good excuse15:19
jonwilAsk ISPs what they are paying for bandwidth to the USA right now and you might change that tune15:20
jonwilI also pay $16.99 a month for my mobile phone service (which is close to the cheapest you can get in Australia)15:20
Hurrianjonwil: yikes, presumably after 250GB you get slowed down real bad?15:22
jonwilNever come close to using up that 250GB so I dont know15:22
KotCzarnyi pay ~12usd for 10/10 line, no tv/landline phone, cellphone is ~2usd/year (mostly for receiving calls)15:22
Hurrianever since I got bumped to 50/50, I've been eating up ~2TB/month, and don't think I can ever go back15:22
ceeneHurrian: i got that for a while... it was pretty cool, but in the end i didn't even know how to use that much bandwidth15:23
bencohKotCzarny: err, living in poland doesn't exactly cost the same either ;)15:23
KotCzarny:)15:23
bencoh(same as, say, australia, USA, or even france)15:23
ceeneit was when megaupload was alive, so i just clicked on "download", waited for 20 seconds and watched a tv show15:23
ceenei could download things faster than i could even sort them, let alone watch them15:24
ceene640k are enough for everyone15:24
Hurrianceene: I used to max out my 2mbps ADSL connection 24 hours a day, nowadays I barely use half of my bandwidth15:24
jonwilThat mobile plan gets me $550 worth of credit for calls and texts (so everything except video calls, international roaming and special premium numbers) and it gets me 1GB of datga15:24
jonwil1GB of data15:25
Hurrianunless I start rsyncing my entire drives... in realtime, I don't think I'll ever saturate my link with... uhh, legal content15:25
KotCzarnyhurrian, if you dont eat shows, 10/10 is more than enough15:25
jonwilExcess mobile data costs me 10c/MB15:25
jonwilbut again 1GB is enough given that I dont use a lot of mobile data15:25
KotCzarnyi started to like always on mobile plans, even slowed to 32kbit/s15:25
KotCzarnyenough for irc/quick info checking15:25
jonwilMy N900 is on WiFi when I am at home or at family houses etc15:25
HurrianKotCzarny: I'd go with about 20/10, if in a multi-user household. Those YouTube/Netflix streams add up quick ;)15:26
jonwiland when I am out speeds aren't good enough to do anything heavy with15:26
KotCzarnyhurrian, im the only user of the net, so its enough15:26
kerioi can hardly saturate my 9MB/s down :(15:26
jonwilbut really its Telstra who are the greedy ones here in Australia15:27
bencohkerio: B or b?15:27
kerioB15:27
kerioi'm paying for 100/20, i'm getting a pretty solid 75/2015:27
bencohnice15:27
jonwilI can saturate my link easily enough if I download large files15:27
KotCzarnytbh, having public ip and solid uplink is much more important for me15:28
KotCzarnysshfs etc15:28
jonwilor watch stuff on various YouTube clone sites15:28
jonwilor on legitimate "catch-up" sites from the TV networks15:29
jonwilor YouTube itself for that matter :)15:29
KotCzarnyseriously, grab a book15:29
KotCzarny:P15:29
Hurriankerio: tbh, even if I did torrent 24/7, there's still no way to practically keep a 20+mbit line saturated15:30
kerio20 is pretty easy15:30
kerioit's barely 1MB/s down15:30
Hurriannah, isn't it ~2.4MB?15:30
kerioit's like a handful of downloads plus a stream15:30
KotCzarny20 is 2.4MB15:30
kerioyeah but 20 means like 18 at best15:30
KotCzarnykerio, not true15:31
kerioadsl2+'s theoretical limit is 24mbps in optimal conditions15:31
KotCzarnywho says adsl?15:31
KotCzarnyadsl is when you are in rural area15:31
KotCzarny:P15:31
kerio?15:31
buZzactually no15:31
Hurrianyeah, once you pass 10mbit, you gotta go fiber else packet loss just eats the speed away ;)15:31
KotCzarnycivilised areas have WANs15:31
buZzcopper wires are quite good15:31
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kerioKotCzarny: do they, now15:32
keriohow would that happen?15:32
buZzadsl can go up to 80mbps fullduplex here15:32
buZzwell, vsdsl15:32
keriothat's why i said adsl2+15:32
Hurrianyeah, VDSL, very different beast from adsl15:32
kerioi have a 100/20 vdsl :315:32
buZzrawr15:32
buZzsexy15:32
keriovdsl pretty much requires fiber to the cabinet tho15:32
Hurrianalso, ADSL is kinda unappetizing past 10mbps because of that upload speed wall15:32
buZznope15:32
buZzkerio: vdsl just goes over normal phone cables15:33
kerioit's even more dependant on the distance15:33
kerioyes15:33
buZzthe POPs need fiber, yes15:33
keriowhich is why i said to the cabinet15:33
buZzbut all POPs do15:33
KotCzarnyadsl is unappetizing because of the first hop latency15:33
keriohAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH15:33
buZzkerio: unless you live in underdeveloped nation :P15:33
buZzin which case i have feels for you15:33
keriowell15:33
kerioi live in italy15:33
buZzpoor kid15:34
keriowhich means that my bum doesn't have shit on it15:34
kerioit's tradeoffs15:34
buZzcome to westcoast15:34
Hurrian>mfw 50/50 in third world shithole15:34
buZzits lovely15:34
Hurriannever want to leave home now15:34
kerioi'm pretty sure you can't legally sell a building as a house without it having a functioning bathroom with a bidet, here15:34
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KotCzarnythere is 100/100 and 500/500 service available for ~20usd/mo15:34
buZzkerio: spraying water at your anus is so much more important than having functional internet15:35
buZzclearly15:35
kerio...yes it is15:35
kerioit really, really is15:36
KotCzarny15usd for 100/100, and 20usd for 500/50015:36
KotCzarny:)15:36
buZz500 fdx costs 70 eu/month here15:36
buZzbut, no datalimits15:36
HurrianKotCzarny: "brb, setting up a datacenter"15:36
KotCzarnyhurrian, nah, home cloud is enough15:36
buZzlol cloud15:36
buZzhttp://www.bristolwireless.net/wp-content/uploads/cache/2015/01/thereisnocloud-final/-1336573948.png15:37
buZz;)15:37
KotCzarny:)15:37
KotCzarnythat's why its sucky one has to pay for external STATIC ip15:37
KotCzarnybut at least its an option15:37
HurrianKotCzarny: with offsite backups, I hope ;)15:37
KotCzarnywhich is unavailable on *dsl15:38
buZzKotCzarny: just abandon ipv415:38
KotCzarnywell, in sane pricing range at least15:38
buZzget a he.net tunnel15:38
buZzyou'll have the same static ipv6 adres-ses- for as long as you have the he.net account15:39
buZzalso, he.net has no issues pumping 1gbps of ipv6 :P15:39
KotCzarnybuzz, lot of assle15:39
KotCzarny*hassle15:39
buZznah ipv6 is easy15:39
buZzno more nat15:39
KotCzarnybuzz, you need to configure all your devices for it15:39
buZzyeah you should have been doing that last 5-10 years already15:40
buZzwhy are you waiting :P15:40
KotCzarnylaziness?15:40
bencoh20mbs is pretty easy with torrents :)15:40
bencohlike, really easy :)15:40
Hurrianbencoh: I use Ubuntu torrents to do line tests nowadays - the hard part's sustaining 20mbps all day, everyday15:41
bencoh"the hard part" ?15:41
KotCzarnybencoh, lots of clicking probably15:42
KotCzarny;)15:42
bencoh(and I meant "pretty easy to saturate it)15:42
KotCzarnybencoh, unless you download 50G images, you have to click a lot15:43
bencohI never said "download only" :)15:44
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jonwilSeeding some popular torrents is a great way to really push a broadband connection15:52
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Sicelore: yappari + telepathy .. one of challenges also going to be emoji support, i think. also, N900 Conversations doesn't receive/send files. I guess it would be fixable? But i'm not aware that anyone did so to date.18:14
bencohSicelo: see emojifix from thp18:19
bencohdunno if it would be enough, but ...18:19
Sicelolooking at it :)18:22
Siceloseems involved. most yappari users have hard time getting a log from /home/user/.config/scorpius/18:23
ceenesome of them have trouble even installing yappari18:26
KotCzarny:>18:26
ceenewhich sometimes irritates me, some other times amuse me18:26
ceenei'm having an stupid problem right now with c++18:26
ceenei don't understand a thing about this shit18:26
ceeneisn't it supposed to allow function overloading?18:27
Siceloactually, yappari clearly disproves the general belief that N900 is a geek's phone :)18:27
bencohwell ... I guess there still are some non-term-savvy n900 users18:27
KotCzarnyyes18:27
KotCzarnybut what is the problem?18:27
bencohwhich is quite good in a way18:27
ceenesrc/qtjson.cpp:60: error: too many arguments to function 'QVariant QtJson::parse(const QString&)'18:27
ceenebut18:28
ceeneit's stupid18:28
KotCzarnymaybe you need to define that variant in .h ?18:28
ceenebecause the function doing the calling is that parse(QString)18:28
ceenewhich inside does18:28
ceene        return parse(json, success);18:28
ceeneand there's another function18:28
ceeneQVariant parse(const QString &json, bool &success)18:28
ceeneso the first one is supposed to be a wrapper around the second one18:28
ceenebut for some reason, the compiler doesn't understand this18:29
ceeneboth are defined in a .h file, inside: namespace QtJson { QVariant parse(const QString &json); QVariant parse(const QString &json, bool &success); }18:29
bencohc++11 maybe (?)18:30
bencohtry building with a recent g++18:30
ceeneah18:30
ceenealright18:30
ceeneforget about it18:30
ceenethere was an include missing18:30
ceenei was just about to go crazy over this18:30
ceeneok18:31
ceenehttp://www.cassandraroseclarke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/goodnewseveryone.png18:32
ceenelibwa has compiled against qt418:32
ceenethere are only two functions that I've commented out for the moment, because I don't know still how to solve a small thing18:33
ceenebut it's regarding phone calls18:33
ceenewithout which we can obviously live18:33
bencohphone calls?18:35
ceenevoice calls, I meant18:35
ceenefrom yappari18:35
ceeneis not something i really plan to support like ever...18:36
ceenebut if libwa implements it, it'd be done sooner or later18:36
ceenei'm gonna send coderus a pull request for this18:36
ceeneso he can check it out and review if i've broken something...18:36
bencohhe should be available on irc as well, if you need18:37
Sicelopeople would definitely worship you if voice calls ever came to N900/yappari :p18:37
bencohwhat's this voicecalls feature? I thought you couldn't place calls through whatsapp?18:38
Siceloit's been available for a while now18:38
bencohoh18:39
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ceenei don't know how to use bitbucke18:40
ceenei don't know how to tell it to fork coderus' repo18:41
ceenein github that's evident18:41
ceenedon't understand a thing18:43
ceeneanyway18:43
ceenenow i have to see if i can port yappari to this thing18:43
ceeneSicelo: have you had the opportunity to test last version of yappari?18:44
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Sicelowhat's the latest :) .25, or .26?18:52
ceenethe bigger the latest18:52
Sicelowith .25, all is working as normal. i still can't IM my sister though18:52
Siceloi didn't try .2618:52
ceenetry .26 if you can18:52
Sicelowill install shortly18:52
ceeneit tries a little thing18:53
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Siceloinstalled. my sister seems away .. will let you know how it goes19:11
ceeneok, thanks19:14
ceenewish us all good luck :)19:14
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Siceloceene: seems it's "working." 1 friend with iphone says his 1st message doesn't reach me. but i have got subsequent messages from where19:22
ceeneok19:22
ceenelittle by little19:22
KotCzarnyj #linux-sunxi19:23
ceenethere may be some way to explicitly request a resent of some message19:23
KotCzarnydoh.19:23
ceeneor maybe not19:23
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ceenehttps://www.meneame.net/backend/media?type=post&id=2364151&version=0&ts=1455469936&image.jpeg19:43
ceenethis has been seen on TV :)19:43
ceenea couple hours ago19:44
Siceloyou guys watch the real deal!19:44
KotCzarnybad date19:44
KotCzarnynot to mention ancient rh19:45
ceeneit must have been some embedded hardware19:45
ceeneat least we know all disks are ok!19:45
ceenehttp://soundandpicture.com/2013/08/orads-new-lightweight-hdvg-2go-server-delivers-powerful-real-time-graphics-rendering/19:47
ceeneit looks like it could be this thing19:47
ceenehttp://bmts.vn/Portals/0/Solutions/Devices/29/HDVG_2.pdf19:48
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ceenenavit seems to have been misuploaded22:38
ceeneFailed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/navit/navit-data_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563_all.deb  Size mismatch22:38
ceeneand all the other navit related packages as well22:38
KotCzarnyhow come its misuploaded if it had to go through autobuilder?22:40
ceenei don't know22:41
ceenedon't know how it works, really22:41
KotCzarnytry refreshing repos22:41
ceenei just know that apt complains about that22:41
ceenei've done that 5 times today to check :)22:41
KotCzarny:)22:41
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ceenei've just promoted yappari 2.0.2622:46
ceeneat least it doesn't break anything new22:46
ceenelittle by little i'll be trying now to port yappari to libwa22:46
ceenewho knows, it may not be as hard as i think it's gonna be22:46
ceeneits API seems cool enough22:47
ceeneand the code is better structured that the one i have now, yet similar22:47
ceeneit's clear it all comes from the same place22:47
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DocScrutinizer05ceene: (navit) ask staff ( merlin1991, freemangordon?) to have a look into it. lockups in autobuilder are not unheard of22:56
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