| Maxdamantus | The screen rotation thing has happened to me multiple times. | 00:05 |
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| Maxdamantus | Though that's a CSSU thing that I disabled after it happened a few times. | 00:05 |
| fishbulb | ok I put mypaint into fullscreen and it won't go out of fullscreen | 00:07 |
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| fishbulb | wouldn't it be great to know 100% of the functions of all the things you own | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | is there a keyboard shortcut for getting stuff out of fullscreen | 00:08 |
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| ceene | ctrl-backspace | 00:12 |
| fishbulb | that brings it into the open windows | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | mypaint is still fullscreen with no menu functions | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | f11 | 00:14 |
| fishbulb | where is this | 00:14 |
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| brolin_empey | fishbulb: BlackBerry 10 can run Android OS applications. What do you think of the new BlackBerry Classic AKA the BlackBerry Q20 (the successor to the BlackBerry Q10)? | 00:18 |
| fishbulb | I don't know because I don't look at new phones | 00:19 |
| fishbulb | that would require 700 spare dollars | 00:19 |
| brolin_empey | fishbulb: The price of the BlackBerry Classic is (much) lower than the price of the BlackBerry Priv. | 00:20 |
| brolin_empey | fishbulb: You can also consider the Nokia N950 if you can acquire one. | 00:23 |
| fishbulb | a faster and better n900? | 00:24 |
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| fishbulb | shift+F | 00:26 |
| fishbulb | this isn't really working | 00:26 |
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| jonwil | hi | 01:42 |
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| brolin_empey | jonwil: ’lo. | 05:50 |
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| KotCzarny | brolin_empey: you have to get 3.3V version (i think it's also the req for latitude x1) | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | if you want specific model i can check when i get home | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | but usually if you add 'x40' to search it will show you the right ones | 08:49 |
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| Vajb | would be nice addon for calendar applet to be able to show week number without opening calendar. | 09:32 |
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| Sicelo | i wonder if Tizen phones will make a success. if ever they do, i guess that would be my next phone (when my N900 dies) | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | n900 never dies | 11:29 |
| Sicelo | it will. wait and see :) | 11:29 |
| Sicelo | OS is good, but hardware is hardware. | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | 6 years, still going strong | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | even after multiple falls to hard floor | 11:30 |
| Sicelo | they are not going tolast forever that's for sure. | 11:30 |
| ceene | every year someone imagines a new browser thingy standard and will make our phones unusable even for the most simplest web | 12:13 |
| NIN101 | it already is. | 12:37 |
| NIN101 | well, not for the most simplest web, but for many websites. | 12:38 |
| NIN101 | and the hardware is very slow compared to the most cheapest androids these days, which is the reason my N900 is basically collecting dust :-(. | 12:42 |
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| PiZZaMartijn | Good morning everyone | 13:14 |
| PiZZaMartijn | If I don't use audio/camera/gsm on my N900, could I then use debian 8 with the latest kernel on my phone? | 13:14 |
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| Sicelo | likely, yes. small screen though, and power consumption may not be very friendly | 13:19 |
| enyc | PiZZaMartijn: you could also use the debian 'chroot' images under maemo system | 13:20 |
| enyc | PiZZaMartijn: and/or help making some new chroot images that use debian 8 in armhf, at least with the current power kernels etc. | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | doesnt glibc require newer kernel? | 13:21 |
| enyc | PiZZaMartijn: the debian 6 / 7 chroot images (estel etc?) had various 'held' packages and all that | 13:22 |
| Wizzup | enyc: that is, if systemd works with an old kernel | 13:22 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: very good quesiton =) | 13:22 |
| enyc | Wizzup: not needed basically iirc, certainly not as init, and init isn't needed in chroot ANYWAY | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: you can still run debian8 without systemd. still. i wonder for how long tho | 13:22 |
| Wizzup | there is also systemd-free.org for arch users | 13:22 |
| enyc | Wizzup: certainly without x11 (and sometimes with) debian 8 without systemd works on 2.6.32 LTS kernel | 13:23 |
| enyc | Wizzup: not so sure about power 2.6.28 n900 kernel | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: i prefer http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation | 13:23 |
| enyc | Maxdamantus: #neo900 project new board will help with all this =)) | 13:23 |
| enyc | Maxdamantus: errrrrr wrong name oops sorry | 13:23 |
| Sicelo | the op wants new kernel :) | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | tru that | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | lets not forget about the op | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | on unrelated news, ccache doesnt seem to help when playing with diff options | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | also, i love my fruit compile farm setup | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | 2 bananas, 1 orange | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | 8 cores total @~1ghz | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | going to setup n900 dev env there too | 13:30 |
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| PiZZaMartijn | Kernel 4.x should support all the hardware in the N900 that I need. so I can run systemd on my n900 | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | uggh | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | systemd is evil | 13:41 |
| enyc | PiZZaMartijn: can you also try that aganst the existing maemo system? or does that create some interface compatibility ?? | 13:41 |
| PiZZaMartijn | The maemo stuff wont run on a kernel that is new enough for systemd | 13:42 |
| PiZZaMartijn | and I like systemd | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | you like it because you didnt read what it does | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | but. if you only care about few seconds faster boot.. | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | in short, you throw out freedom of hacking your system for few seconds of bootup | 13:43 |
| PiZZaMartijn | I know what it does, i manage a lot of debian 8 machines with systemd. | 13:44 |
| Wizzup | PiZZaMartijn: if it supports all you need, then why do you ask us? | 13:44 |
| Wizzup | just do it™ | 13:44 |
| PiZZaMartijn | yes but how :( | 13:44 |
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| PiZZaMartijn | hmm I probably murdered my N900 | 13:54 |
| PiZZaMartijn | I just installed u-boot-flasher | 13:54 |
| PiZZaMartijn | but I can't find a kernel in /boot | 13:54 |
| PiZZaMartijn | and /opt/boot doesn't exist | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | do you see nand or emmc or sd? | 13:57 |
| PiZZaMartijn | where should I see that?. I haven't reboot my n900 yet. | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | if yes, you can always run rescueos and copy the kernel to visible partition | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | im not familiar with uboot that much | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/Manual | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | uboot manual | 13:59 |
| PiZZaMartijn | the only documentation for uboot on n900 seems to be a forum post from 2010 | 13:59 |
| PiZZaMartijn | and that one doesn't mention what to do if you run kernel-power | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | you can try doing load command with guessed sources | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | another option: you know you can boot kernel via usb without flashing? | 14:00 |
| PiZZaMartijn | I didn't know that | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | in short, even with broken booting/kernel, but with working rootfs its bootable | 14:01 |
| PiZZaMartijn | is that documented somewhere? | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | flasher-3.5 -h | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | there is a switch that boots kernel without flashing | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | but try finding out what uboot sees now | 14:01 |
| Sicelo | so N900 not booting? | 14:03 |
| PiZZaMartijn | its in a bootloop now | 14:04 |
| PiZZaMartijn | uboot starts, then says starting kernel, and then nothing | 14:05 |
| PiZZaMartijn | ok its alive again, had to remove the battery | 14:06 |
| Sicelo | load the kernel via flasher/0xFFFF as you've been told. make sure to also install stock kernel modules on your N900 (then uboot can always start even when all else is broken) | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | n900 is virtually unkillable | 14:07 |
| Sicelo | yes | 14:07 |
| PiZZaMartijn | i killed my previous one | 14:07 |
| Sicelo | with a hammer? | 14:08 |
| PiZZaMartijn | but that was more of a hardware issue. it was broken in half | 14:08 |
| Sicelo | lol | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but software wise its almost impossible ;) | 14:08 |
| fishbulb | seriously this has been the most durable phone | 14:08 |
| fishbulb | I've been biking, and it's flown off REALLY across concrete and rocks and stuff | 14:08 |
| fishbulb | any modern phone would be a smashed piece of crap | 14:09 |
| Sicelo | with u-boot, i can recommend you look into bootmenu as well. but read the documentation properly | 14:09 |
| PiZZaMartijn | someone drove over mine, that was a pretty sad day for me | 14:09 |
| fishbulb | I've dropped the crap out of one, and dropped it in the toilet. that made me change the screen | 14:10 |
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| fishbulb | and I mean like submarine and down there for a while too. full of water. | 14:10 |
| fishbulb | and it could have been saved I think, if I didn't try to squeegee the water out of the LCD | 14:10 |
| fishbulb | with force. like an idiot. | 14:10 |
| fishbulb | but in terms of dings and stuff it's great, and the plastic screen doesn't shatter IMMEDIATELY. (it's really hard to shatter actually) | 14:11 |
| fishbulb | scratches slightly easier, but who the hell carries rocks and nails against the phone screen? | 14:12 |
| PiZZaMartijn | yeah but my screen is extremly scratched (got this one second hand), i should get a new digitizer in a few days | 14:12 |
| fishbulb | don't get the chinese ones they suck. | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | for scratches you can simply put the screen protector (cheap and disposable) | 14:12 |
| fishbulb | yeah I know. there are mirrored ones are pretty cool. | 14:13 |
| PiZZaMartijn | damn i got the cheapest chinese on i could find | 14:13 |
| fishbulb | I might have got a bad experience but my chinese one was really bad, not responsive, didn't really react properly | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | there are so many n900s with broken modem/usb port, but with perfect screen/digitizer | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | and go cheap too | 14:13 |
| fishbulb | the one time I messed up a usb port was really bad, the traces came off | 14:14 |
| fishbulb | it's not TOO hard but if the traces come off you're screwed | 14:14 |
| fishbulb | and they can if the thing has been yanked out. | 14:15 |
| PiZZaMartijn | kingston microsd-to-sd adapters really suck | 14:23 |
| Sicelo | with no traces, yyou can still fix :) | 14:25 |
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| Sicelo | use test pints. they work, but just not as efficiently as the correct location | 14:26 |
| PiZZaMartijn | or just botch some wireless charging circuitry in there | 14:27 |
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| enyc | fishbulb: yes its' very fixable, the cable can run either to some pads they connect to under a metal can, or ran on thin wires all the way across to some tp pads under battery area | 14:35 |
| enyc | fishbulb: my n900's have upside-down micro-USB connectors soldered to all the metalwork around firmwly, wiht wires coming off | 14:36 |
| enyc | fishbulb: and a little filing to the case to take the connector toher way over etc | 14:36 |
| fishbulb | yeah I know there are some gpio pins but you need tiny components to convert that to usb | 14:36 |
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| fishbulb | safely. you need a couple of tiny resistors and a diode I think | 14:37 |
| Wizzup | enyc: want to make some pictures? | 14:37 |
| fishbulb | cap maybe? I forget | 14:37 |
| fishbulb | I still have a perfect condition phone with no usb. and no traces. it'll get done but it's fiddly work. | 14:38 |
| enyc | Wizzup: not at the momen,t don't realyl want to take apart ;p | 14:38 |
| fishbulb | to safely do it I read you SHOULD have a few components | 14:38 |
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| fishbulb | how many do you have? | 14:39 |
| fishbulb | with this mod? | 14:39 |
| enyc | at least 2 , possible 3rd board but was broken in some other way (flash failure iirc) | 14:39 |
| fishbulb | I got a couple of working ones then the really good condition broken usb, that will lsat longer because I dont' touch it :) | 14:41 |
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| fishbulb | some dings and hits on the working ones. one I don't even use. it's a spare battery charger at this point. until I need it.. or parts from it. I'll combine all the good ones. ok cheers I need to disconnect | 14:42 |
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| enyc | Wizzup: i'm sure there are some good fixing it guides online | 15:06 |
| enyc | Wizzup: with pictures | 15:06 |
| enyc | Wizzup: try to find the one which actually opened nearby metal can and connected through the protection components locally | 15:06 |
| Wizzup | I am not in desperate need, just curious | 15:07 |
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| ceene | someone who'd like to implement textsecure on yappari? | 19:33 |
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| ceene | all the libraries are already ported | 19:43 |
| Pali | freemangordon: pong | 19:44 |
| Pali | I was afk | 19:44 |
| ceene | ~seen coderus | 19:50 |
| infobot | coderus is currently on #harmattan. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 8h 46m 36s, last said: 'if so then i really cant help more :)'. | 19:50 |
| PiZZaMartijn | well I FINALLY have all the dependencies I need to build a modern kernel for the N900 :) | 19:55 |
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| PiZZaMartijn | well shit. does the N900 charge when in the uboot menu? | 20:15 |
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| Pali | PiZZaMartijn: no, u-boot does not have charge support | 20:39 |
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| PiZZaMartijn | Pali: So I have to wait to get a external charger? the battery doesn't have enough power to boot maemo | 20:40 |
| Pali | PiZZaMartijn: NOLO should charge battery until it has enought power to boot Maemo and start BME | 20:41 |
| Pali | if you have working Maemo userspace, it should work | 20:41 |
| PiZZaMartijn | actually as soon as I put in the microusb cable it will try to boot to maemo and fail | 20:42 |
| PiZZaMartijn | and i have a working userspace | 20:43 |
| Pali | connect wallcharger | 20:44 |
| PiZZaMartijn | that is what I'm using | 20:45 |
| Pali | if you have working userspace, boot maemo from uboot and let it alone | 20:45 |
| Pali | after e.g. 30 min it should work | 20:45 |
| Pali | what do you mean by "fail"? | 20:46 |
| PiZZaMartijn | white nokia logo screen -> uboot -> starting kernel -> black screen -> go to start | 20:49 |
| PiZZaMartijn | and the backlight doesn't turn on the whole sequence | 20:49 |
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| PiZZaMartijn | hmm if I remove the battery and put it back in and then apply power it wont immediatly start booting | 20:50 |
| PiZZaMartijn | wait now it does :S | 20:50 |
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| Pali | PiZZaMartijn: do you see yellow led? | 20:58 |
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| PiZZaMartijn | Pali: yes the yellow led is on | 20:59 |
| Pali | it is blinking? or always on? | 21:00 |
| PiZZaMartijn | always on | 21:01 |
| Pali | thats emergency charging | 21:02 |
| PiZZaMartijn | ok that sounds good | 21:02 |
| Pali | should charge battery to at least minimal value needed for booting | 21:02 |
| Pali | after 29 min HW will stop emergency charging | 21:02 |
| PiZZaMartijn | ok, I will wait for a while | 21:03 |
| Pali | hope it will be enough | 21:03 |
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| KotCzarny | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/ | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | not a bad look in systemd | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | uh-oh | 22:48 |
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