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| capitanocrunch | hello everybody | 11:38 |
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| capitanocrunch | does anybody know if maemo x-terminal gives a warning if you type rm -rf / ? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | unless you have something like: alias rm="rm -i" in profile or bashrc | 11:41 |
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| KotCzarny | but if you do: rm somerandomfile and it doesnt ask then it doesnt | 11:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | try it? | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | swb: good point | 11:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | You would have to be root, in which case you shouldn't need a warning? | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | unless he is trying to write a prank | 12:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | some prank | 12:04 |
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| capitanocrunch | in debian it gives a warning and also an --option to do it as nonroot | 12:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ok... | 12:23 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: I'm going to fix that connui package | 12:24 |
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| Oksanaa | I have talent for getting into trouble. The folder with 500+ files from 3 days of travel? When I try to archive it into a zip, I get a read-only MyDocs, as if some files in the folder are corrupted | 12:31 |
| Oksanaa | And trying to sic photorec onto MyDocs gives mostly not-the-files-I-need (haven't finished weeding through 163 results of undelete-recovery operation, yet) | 12:32 |
| Oksanaa | Will likely attempt recovery-undelete in the future. Hopefully, it will not start by recovering the same 163 results again | 12:33 |
| Oksanaa | It's painful when a photo is recovered as separate jpg and exif-text files, with no clue on matching them | 12:34 |
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| KotCzarny | um | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | read-only doesnt require photorec rescue | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | or am i wrong? | 12:41 |
| Oksanaa | Um, why would it go into read-only mode? | 12:44 |
| * Oksanaa does not understand filesystems much | 12:44 | |
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| KotCzarny | oksanaa, because it wasnt umounted cleanly? | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | and its vfat, so inconsistences are very easy to introduce with unclean reboots | 12:49 |
| Oksanaa | It wasn't read-only at first, it became read-only after archive-attempt ? | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | if you didnt do anything radical to it most likely nothing was lost | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | system might have encountered some inconsistency and remounted it ro to stop further damage | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | unclean umount from usb cable also can be a reason | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | (undetected until reacheing some point in directory structure later) | 12:51 |
| Oksanaa | My point of view was, tar encounters inconsistencies while trying to archive, filesystem becomes read-only | 12:51 |
| Oksanaa | How to repair inconsistencies? And, no usb-cable, broken usb-port | 12:52 |
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| KotCzarny | no, tar doesnt do anything like that, it could have been any app, its the kernel that detected incons. on the fs | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | first, backup the data | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | then you should umount it, dosfsck, remount | 12:53 |
| Oksanaa | To where? And by the way, restriction "too large file" on "share by email" is absurd, especially when I try to send many small files. I guess, it's unreasonable to ask the share-plugin to create several emails for that purpose? | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | sd card? | 12:55 |
| Oksanaa | So, fsck would repair it? Which option was it to make corrections "instantaneous", in case of small battery-life and long fsck ? | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | install tiny-smb and copy over wifi? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | also, dont ignore backup before fsck | 12:56 |
| Oksanaa | SD card? Good thinking, but there is a shortage of them around here. Tiny-smb sounds neat, never used it before though | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | you can do the other way around, mount some network dir on the n900 via sshfs | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | or nfs | 12:57 |
| Oksanaa | Will endeavour to do some kind of back-up. But what's the worst an fsck can do? Delete corrupt files which I already cannot reach? | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | also, without mounting anything you can just use rsync to backup data too | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | fsck can delete almost everything, it all depends what was the cause | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | if a simple 'bitmap mismatch' then nothing much would happen | 12:59 |
| Oksanaa | Well, unclean reboot is likely, LED pattern does not help much when LED does not work (really should get a full new flex cable for this device) | 13:00 |
| Oksanaa | Would it recover problematic files? | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | if the inconsistency is already there, i guess problematic files will be corrupted too | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said, backup first, worry later | 13:01 |
| Oksanaa | What has the highest probability of recovering corrupted-and-or-problematic files? | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | define recovering | 13:02 |
| Oksanaa | Having them "like new", not damaged. Well, I can deal with having them in fragments, for mix-and-matching by hand, but it would be tiresome | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | most often vfat suffers from bad usage bitmap, so if something was already overwritten then none | 13:05 |
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| Oksanaa | Not likely to be overwritten, I hope. I did not take that many photos since then, though I did have some | 13:07 |
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| KotCzarny | backup first, repair fs, check then | 13:10 |
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| Oksanaa | Okay. Emailing 800+ MB video file (30 minutes of video) is difficult when home-fs has only 600MB free | 13:13 |
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| KotCzarny | oksanaa: use youtube.com then just mail link? | 13:23 |
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| Oksanaa | Nice thought. I don't use youtube | 13:24 |
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| Oksanaa | cloudstor can help | 13:27 |
| drathir | Oksanaa: which one provider support 800m attachments? | 13:56 |
| drathir | Oksanaa: gdrive/dropbox/ probably, but if possible before send encrypt... | 13:58 |
| drathir | Oksanaa: but the best rsync to own vps... | 14:00 |
| drathir | Oksanaa: and take on mind even workin os overwritting data too... | 14:02 |
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| Petros | hello | 16:15 |
| Petros | i asked about this a few weeks ago but i was travelling between continents :P | 16:15 |
| Petros | i want to learn how to port stuff to maemo | 16:16 |
| Petros | i'm in computer science | 16:16 |
| Petros | but i don't really know how to begin :S | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | if your program compiles in linux its mostly ported | 16:16 |
| Petros | hmm | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | things that differ are just really old libs available | 16:17 |
| Petros | but it wouldn't run on arm | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | you know what source compilation is? | 16:17 |
| Petros | yep | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont do anything stupid in the code, gcc compiles it without a problem | 16:18 |
| Petros | i also can't get gcc to work - it gets stuck on printf lines | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | you are doning something wrong, very | 16:18 |
| Petros | lol maybe :P | 16:19 |
| Petros | perhaps i can figure it out with some googling | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | first, what dev env are you using? | 16:19 |
| Petros | uuum | 16:19 |
| Petros | nano | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | k, where do you compile the code? what tools/versions? | 16:20 |
| Petros | on my n810 | 16:20 |
| Petros | i used apt-get to install gcc | 16:20 |
| KotCzarny | and you say you cant run hello world with printf? | 16:21 |
| Petros | yep | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | which gcc ver/repo? | 16:21 |
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| Petros | gimme a sec | 16:22 |
| Petros | ok this is weird | 16:23 |
| Petros | i reflasshed recently and now gcc isn't availble | 16:23 |
| Petros | i can't install it again | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | because its probably from sdk repo | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | which you should use carefully as it can f*ck up your os | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/ | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | sdk repos are way down | 16:25 |
| Petros | weird, i installed it like a month ago | 16:25 |
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| KotCzarny | but be cautious what do you install (rootfs space is little) | 16:25 |
| Petros | ok i'll switch to my n900 | 16:25 |
| Petros | see if things are better over there | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | same story with n900, its not meant to be used to develop direclty | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | but can be done | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gcc-4.2/ | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | you can try installing gcc and other stuff one by one | 16:26 |
| Petros | if i got an obsolete linux distro on would it make things easier? | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said, rootfs space | 16:26 |
| Petros | maybe with chroot | 16:27 |
| Petros | or to natively boot it | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | i have gcc on both my devices (n800 and n900). it can be done if you know what you are doing and know linux enough | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | but if you want to be safer, install scratchbox and sdk (on pc), or just grab prepared image for virtualbox | 16:28 |
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| Petros | while i mess with things around here i'll use this time to say thanks for the help so far :P | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | grab Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | and just run it in virtualbox | 16:30 |
| Petros | alright, so i'm trying to install the armel versions of gcc on my n900 but i get the incompatible blah blah error | 16:32 |
| Petros | however i'm doing it with the applications manager | 16:32 |
| Petros | should i use dpkg -i? | 16:33 |
| KotCzarny | check free space first | 16:33 |
| Petros | i have a lot of that | 16:33 |
| KotCzarny | on / ? | 16:33 |
| KotCzarny | check again | 16:33 |
| Petros | 1,35 GB | 16:34 |
| Petros | avaiable | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | you are looking at the wrong place | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | not /opt, but / or rootfs | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | unless you did something to your layout | 16:34 |
| Petros | that was under the "memory for installable apps" | 16:35 |
| Petros | which i assumed to be / | 16:35 |
| KotCzarny | run terminal, do: df | 16:35 |
| Petros | since the rest are my sd and the internal memory | 16:35 |
| Petros | sec | 16:35 |
| KotCzarny | that 1.35GB would be true if those packages were optimized (optified), otherwise if you grab the wrong thing it would go mostly to / | 16:36 |
| Petros | guessing it's in kb | 16:36 |
| Petros | i have 77mb available | 16:36 |
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| KotCzarny | should be enough then for experiments, but as i said, keep an eye on it | 16:37 |
| Petros | will do | 16:37 |
| Petros | so should i try to install them with dpkg or are they actually incompatible? | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | i dont know the actual error, and you seem inexperienced in hacking things | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to use dpkg, try apt-get install before | 16:38 |
| Petros | i am inexperienced but i really want to learn stuff | 16:38 |
| Petros | i'm only 20 so i'm hoping i'm not late :P | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | nice thing about n8x0/n900 that even if you do the worst, you can always reflash | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | just make sure you haven't got anything valueable there | 16:40 |
| Petros | ikr | 16:40 |
| Petros | i've only bricked an htc dream a few years back | 16:40 |
| Petros | bad radio flash :P | 16:41 |
| Petros | so what knowledge would i need to learn more about "hacking"? | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | mostly about backups, reflashing, installing packages | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | command line too | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | (that's for starters) | 16:44 |
| Petros | i think i'm becoming comfortable with these | 16:44 |
| Petros | are the rest tools that i need to research? | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | you want hello world first, that means installing gcc at least | 16:46 |
| Petros | i'm working on it | 16:46 |
| Petros | i may need to reflash, i think i messed my sources up | 16:46 |
| Petros | manually adding them with vi is a bitch | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | do you have a pc? | 16:47 |
| Petros | on a phone anyway | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | ssh makes it easier | 16:47 |
| Petros | aaaaah | 16:48 |
| Petros | forgot aboutit | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:48 |
| Petros | lol | 16:48 |
| Petros | is the name openssh? | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | apt-cache search ssh | 16:49 |
| Petros | yep | 16:49 |
| Petros | it says it had trouble processing catblock | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get remove catblock ? | 16:50 |
| Petros | done | 16:50 |
| Petros | retryibg' | 16:50 |
| Petros | retrying* | 16:50 |
| Petros | oh | 16:50 |
| Petros | it can't remove it | 16:51 |
| Petros | subprocess post-installation script > exit status 2 | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | you can paste the output to pastebin.com or something | 16:51 |
| Petros | oh | 16:51 |
| Petros | unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory | 16:52 |
| Petros | same thing with apt-get install -f | 16:53 |
| Petros | tries to configure catblock | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | you can try dpkg -r catblock | 16:54 |
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| Petros | same thing only it also gives a similar error while trying to execute a pre-removal script | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get install --reinstall catblock ? | 16:56 |
| Petros | same | 16:56 |
| Petros | what about booting to a linux distro? | 16:57 |
| Petros | like arch or ubuntu or something | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | figure which file it whines about and add it as an empty script | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | i think there was easydebian | 16:57 |
| Petros | wouldn't that waste too much ram | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | and booting other linux distros usually means losing telephony features | 16:58 |
| Petros | having maemo run in the background alL THAT | 16:58 |
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| Petros | yeah | 16:58 |
| Petros | i would like to work on that sometime | 16:59 |
| Petros | getting stuff like that to work | 16:59 |
| Petros | though it must sound ridiculous coming from me :P | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | fixing things is a great opportunity to learn | 16:59 |
| Pali | freemangordon: fixed and pushed to github & cssu-devel | 17:01 |
| Petros | do you have anything to suggest to broaden my knowledge? | 17:04 |
| Petros | to be more comfortable or learn more about hacking and all that? | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | learn the command line and the package management first | 17:04 |
| Petros | you mean how to use dpkg and apt? | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | that too | 17:05 |
| Petros | what more is there? | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | knowing how it works | 17:05 |
| Petros | so read the manuals? | 17:06 |
| Petros | or find the sources and understand them? | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | manuals | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | and google | 17:07 |
| Petros | phew | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | start with that catblock | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | make it your homework #1 | 17:07 |
| Petros | noted | 17:07 |
| Petros | once i'm done? | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | install gcc and friends | 17:08 |
| Petros | so fight i will | 17:08 |
| Petros | no reflashing | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | if it takes more than 3 days, reflash and grab the virtualbox image | 17:09 |
| Petros | gotcha | 17:10 |
| Petros | who's my next enemy? | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | who knows | 17:11 |
| Petros | :P | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | bbl | 17:11 |
| Petros | k | 17:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | what is catblock? | 17:13 |
| Petros | that's what i'll be learning! :P | 17:13 |
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| sunshavi | KotCzarny: Do You have a deb pkg 4 xvkbd? | 17:57 |
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| KotCzarny | sunshavi: probably, let me find it | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | sunshavi: i've attached the files to the first post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18621 | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | drat, he left | 18:38 |
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| Petros | hello i'm back | 19:21 |
| kerio | hi back, i'm kerio | 19:21 |
| kerio | huehuehuehuehue | 19:21 |
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| Petros | nyoooooooo | 19:22 |
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| Petros | y u do dis | 19:22 |
| bencoh | -_- | 19:26 |
| kerio | aeuhauehuaheuhaeuae | 19:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | there's two people gone today... | 20:27 |
| bencoh | ? | 20:28 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: thanks. I got the files | 20:29 |
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| sunshavi | KotCzarny: it works, probably i would like not to have numpad, and bigger keys :) | 20:39 |
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| KotCzarny | sunshavi: its fully configurable | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | you can do both | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | you can change the layout as you want and you can change the def sizes in config files | 21:32 |
| sunshavi | great, let's do it then ;) | 21:50 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: xvkdb, could a replacement 4 not hildonizing emacs yet | 21:51 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: what is "Com\nPose" for? | 22:05 |
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| Oksanaa | By the way, after I uninstalled wireshark, there was still /opt/maemo/usr/lib/wireshark/ directory with 20+MB. Is it just me, or does it need better clean-up postrm scripts? | 22:18 |
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| KotCzarny | sunshavi: dont remember all the linux/xorg key functions | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | probably something like altgr on windows | 22:31 |
| sunshavi | ok | 22:35 |
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