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| Oksanaa | Anybody remembers camera competition "The Photographer"? /me just entered it/ | 01:51 |
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| Oksanaa | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96130 | 01:51 |
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| M4rtinK | Oksana: Cool! Good luck! :) | 02:14 |
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| Oksanaa | jonwil: Enter the camera competition? | 03:13 |
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| Oksanaa | A tiny idea: a behind the scenes auto-correct plugin for dict(d) which, when a new dictionary appears, dumps words from it into auto-correct list | 03:48 |
| Oksanaa | auto-correct would slow down to a crawl with such a huge vocabulary ;-) | 03:48 |
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| Oksanaa | camera: low exposure > green tint, is it normal? | 04:58 |
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| Sicelo | Oksanaa: front one? yes. rear one, no. | 06:30 |
| Oksanaa | Rear one. To be fair, I was taking like 200+ photos+videos in a single day, two days in a row | 06:43 |
| Oksanaa | Sicelo: ^ To be fair, tint is only strong at -1 or -2 exposures. And subject is unusual: bright slide projected onto a darkly-shadowed white wall | 06:44 |
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| Sicelo | anyone here with access to an exchange server with owa enabled? can any of the browsers for N900 open/browse OWA reasonably fine? | 11:56 |
| Sicelo | meaning .. at least to open mail... | 12:00 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, this might finally be a reason for me to install Thunderbird on my home pc .. for the Outlook connector. At work we didn't have OWA enabled for a long time, only EAS (which requires provisioning). OWA enabled now though | 12:05 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:44 |
| jonwil | Too bad it looks like Thunderbird may no longer exist going forward | 12:52 |
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| Sicelo | hehe, true | 12:54 |
| enyc | erk! | 12:56 |
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| zGrr | do you think icedove will survive? | 13:11 |
| enyc | zGrr: no problems uning icedove ? | 13:17 |
| enyc | zGrr: wheres the problem? | 13:17 |
| zGrr | enyc: i have no problem with icedove whatsoever. | 13:19 |
| enyc | i just wonder what sort of maintainer for icedove/thunderdird would do to sort out maintenance going forward better =) | 13:21 |
| zGrr | enyc: i even prefer the blue pidgeon icon. | 13:21 |
| zGrr | enyc: my question was rather about long-term future of the project. | 13:21 |
| enyc | zGrr: one wonders =) | 13:22 |
| enyc | zGrr: i've seen various attempts to integrate things, trustedbird project, etc.... wonder where it is going ! | 13:22 |
| enyc | some sanity has happened, FINALLY the 'extra folder columns' became built-in.... | 13:22 |
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| zGrr | enyc: it is increasingly difficult to believe in sanity in a world that created and implemented systemd. | 13:39 |
| * KotCzarny removed systemd from his armbian-jessie yesterday | 13:39 | |
| KotCzarny | so far it works | 13:39 |
| zGrr | i'm afraid, i might be switching back to slackware one day... | 13:46 |
| totalizator | why not a typewriter then :E | 13:48 |
| totalizator | Sicelo: what about Light version? not working? | 13:49 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: armbian coo not comp across that before | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | enyc: syntax parse error, what? | 13:51 |
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| zGrr | one of my workmates is still using slackware right from its humble beninning. | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr: im using slackware since 4.0 | 13:53 |
| enyc | KotCzarny: sorry... i was just showing interest and noting i've not comp across 'armbian' before | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | enyc, me neither, but i bought me lamobo-r1 and had to install some linux | 13:54 |
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| Sicelo | totalizator: light what? | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: last time I checked OWA was ok on n900 | 16:59 |
| Sicelo | thanks :) | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | will check again right now | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | yep, seems fine | 17:01 |
| Sicelo | thanks. will pursue this with the IT guys here | 17:02 |
| freemangordon | ofc it is tricky to use it on such a small display | 17:02 |
| Sicelo | true. i expect that | 17:02 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: but why OWA? modest is ok with exchange | 17:03 |
| Sicelo | provisioning.. :( | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | actually it works surprisingly well | 17:03 |
| Sicelo | and no SMTP+IMAP/POP enabled on the server. | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | ask your IT guys to disable it for that particular accont | 17:03 |
| Sicelo | they complain about security policy .. i tried | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | this is what our IT guys did for me | 17:04 |
| Sicelo | i'll retry with them | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | you can tell them to shove that policy... you know where | 17:04 |
| Sicelo | haha | 17:05 |
| Sicelo | they say shove N900 there :p | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | if you use modest, you'll also have calendar integration and whatnt | 17:05 |
| Sicelo | i can't connect to the WiFi .. spent days asking, proving, etc. in the end i just had to use wpa_supplicant | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | BTW what is that for thinderbird? | 17:06 |
| freemangordon | *thunderbird | 17:06 |
| Sicelo | connects via OWA and makes it appear native in thunderbird | 17:07 |
| Sicelo | i've recently read about EWS .. may want to purse that path further | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | why not use exchange plugin? it is paid, but well, 10 euros/year is not that much | 17:07 |
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| Sicelo | where? you mean thunderbird? | 17:08 |
| freemangordon | yes | 17:08 |
| Sicelo | i'll look at it too :) | 17:08 |
| freemangordon | gimme a minute to check how was it called | 17:08 |
| Sicelo | i basically gave up .. but interest rekindled now that there's this about OWA .. so will look at tis stuff again | 17:08 |
| zGrr | the best thing is to make your exchange admin to enable imap at the server. | 17:09 |
| Sicelo | they don't want to :) | 17:09 |
| zGrr | they usualy don't want to do that. they are evil bastards motherfuckers. | 17:10 |
| Sicelo | zGrr: international organization .. i'm in insignifacant africa, with insignificant N900. network is controlled from USA | 17:10 |
| zGrr | they were probably told at one of microsoft brainwashing sessions never to do that. | 17:11 |
| freemangordon | zGrr: I though to so as well, but started after using exchange with modest, I was pleasantly surprised | 17:11 |
| freemangordon | *after started | 17:11 |
| Sicelo | and you know what happens when you start asking too much .. they start watching your every move as if you want to hack their network | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | the only bad side is the speed | 17:12 |
| zGrr | yeah. you were brainwashed too. | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | it takes ages to download an attachment | 17:12 |
| zGrr | it is not slow as such. | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | zGrr: no, keep in mind I put ubuntu on my corporate laptop and I am in position to keep it that way :) | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | webmail ftw! | 17:13 |
| freemangordon | also, they removed provisioning for my account ;) | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | (but the simple one, not overloaded js hell) | 17:13 |
| Sicelo | now ays.. webmail sucks | 17:13 |
| bencoh | +1 | 17:13 |
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| zGrr | it has typically moron admins, who don't have a clue how to make exchange to behave properly. | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | the only "problem" I have with that setup is that I have to login to OWA from time to time to change my AD password ;) | 17:15 |
| zGrr | i have competent admins on site and our 40k+ server behaves well and is responsive. | 17:15 |
| freemangordon | zGrr: lucky you | 17:15 |
| zGrr | but they are just as evil as other microsoft zombies. | 17:16 |
| zGrr | no, i am not lucky. | 17:16 |
| freemangordon | "competent admin" is a kind of animal rarely to be seen | 17:16 |
| zGrr | i was made to switch to windows on monday. i am not lucky at all. | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | just run virtualbox or something on it? | 17:17 |
| KotCzarny | in fullscreen mode | 17:17 |
| freemangordon | zGrr: what for (windows)? corporate policy? | 17:17 |
| bencoh | in $bigcompany I was forced to keep windows as main os as well | 17:18 |
| bencoh | at* | 17:18 |
| zGrr | perverted network admins "modernized" the infrastructure so i cannot connect anywhere from anything else than windows. | 17:18 |
| bencoh | I eventually installed debian in vbox and do pretty much everything from there | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:19 |
| zGrr | switches wouldn't get me through if i'm not windows. | 17:19 |
| freemangordon | weird, I have no problem connecting to whatever I need to from my linux (smb, RDP, what else) | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | cant you mangle packets? | 17:19 |
| freemangordon | WHAT?!? | 17:19 |
| Sicelo | ours control what software you run .. they run audit often | 17:20 |
| zGrr | i can investigate. | 17:20 |
| freemangordon | those guys are crazy? | 17:20 |
| bencoh | 802.1x+whatever windows-specific/proprietary auth protcole, probably | 17:20 |
| bencoh | and/or with windows domain check | 17:20 |
| freemangordon | zGrr: which country is that, to remember to keep away? | 17:21 |
| zGrr | even my ip phone (separate with it's own mac) stops working and gets disconnected when i boot my desktop pc to linux. | 17:22 |
| freemangordon | or it is $bigcompany | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | or running windows on vm and making it acting as a proxy | 17:22 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: that'd be a bit tricky, but yeah | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, maybe its just a simple dhcp check | 17:22 |
| zGrr | fscking son of the prostitute. | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | try enabling firewall and static ip (or making dhcp request disguising as windows) | 17:23 |
| zGrr | no probs with dhcp i can connect to it an get proper ip assigned. | 17:23 |
| bencoh | I highly doubt it's just dhcp :) | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | maybe admins are just eveils and specifically disable connectivity when dhcp request isnt windowsish | 17:24 |
| KotCzarny | and portscan | 17:24 |
| KotCzarny | thats why firewall | 17:25 |
| Sicelo | much as i hate MS myself, for enterprise "control" .. it's unbeatable if you're a control freak (which is what MS admins usually are, haha) | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, i bet you linux/unix is also powerful at that | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | maybe even more because you can easily write your own apps | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, they might also check if the machine just connecting is running windows services | 17:26 |
| zGrr | bencoh: you're right. that is 802something proprietary auth protocol crap. | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:26 |
| Sicelo | not really .. MS has made it their business for years. we don't have that much control in linux .. not yet. of course we could have it | 17:26 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: ^^ | 17:27 |
| zGrr | freemangordon: it's in poland. not worth coming here. at least for the time being. | 17:28 |
| bencoh | zGrr: next step is "how do I retrieve the fucking certs / creds / tokens" :) | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, i thought you were in .de | 17:28 |
| bencoh | (and/or protocol, if it really is a custom implem) | 17:28 |
| bencoh | it could well be eap/peap/standard stuff | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | tiny vm with proxy could solve the problem | 17:28 |
| zGrr | kot: sometimes i use de ip, sometimes i use uk one. | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | zGrr: yeah, too cold for my taste :) | 17:29 |
| zGrr | freemangordon: it's too cold for me too. | 17:30 |
| zGrr | freemangordon: so we have small-time fascist admins here, small-time fascist managers and even small-time fascist government recently. | 17:32 |
| Sicelo | :) | 17:32 |
| Sicelo | Hiltler risen from the dead | 17:32 |
| freemangordon | come here (Bulgaria), we have a couple of cold months during the winter, but it is ok for the rest of the year :). Salaries for developers are pretty much ok (>800 euros for junior with no experience), esp compared with the life standard :) | 17:32 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, lets not go into politics, its the dumpster | 17:33 |
| zGrr | whatever. it's not that bad, since you don't get fired for using linux and don't get to jails for talking politics. unlike some other places, i know. | 17:34 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 17:34 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: it is exquilla (the plugin). There are some politics around it AFAIK, but it works | 17:40 |
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| zGrr | i think, there is quite usefull application that can connect to exchange server using owa protocol and acts as a imap server. some of my mates were using it. | 17:47 |
| zGrr | freemangordon: i've heard some good things about working in bulgaria. | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | well, it is ok if you work for a $bigorg or as a developer. For the rest it is not ok. | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | But in SW business it is really sweet, lots of people left bulgaria for the last ~15 years and those who remain are treated very carefully :) | 17:52 |
| zGrr | freemangordon: they told me that if the project manager tells you to do some stupid things you can opelnly laught it out and even would be allowed to do the things properly, which is not that common elsewhere. | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | oh, yes, PMs are usually to take the dirty part of the work (mails, phone calls, meeting) but they are not in charge of "execution". They act more like assistants than managers | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | those who "manage" are usually engineers, not real PMs | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | Actually you can even tell your "boss" he wants you to make something stupid and refuse. Or rather propose a way to do it better. Ofc it depends on the company, but usually devs are listened to | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | toldya, devs become to rare to lose one | 17:57 |
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| bencoh | I guess it depends on the kind of "dev" as well | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | sure | 17:58 |
| bencoh | (you're not a web/frontend/html "developer" ;) | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | I don;t talk junior devs here | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | it depends on the size of the company too, but I guess it is not different from elsewhere | 17:59 |
| zGrr | i will definitely consider bulgaria in my future endeavours. :) | 17:59 |
| bencoh | probably not that much | 18:00 |
| bencoh | (different from other countries) | 18:00 |
| bencoh | ymmv for that kind of things :) | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | zGrr: I am looking for developers right now, consider it if you plan to move in the next couple of months :D | 18:00 |
| bencoh | haha | 18:01 |
| zGrr | not in the next couple of months. i still have some projects to finish | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | offtopic, building crosscompiler (gcc) for distcc is pita | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | simple --host/--target don't cut it out | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | talking about gcc - could someone try to build gcc for SB? | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | like 4.9 or so | 18:03 |
| bencoh | hmm, which gcc and what do you mean by "for SB"? :) | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: >=4.9 | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | for SB I mean debs | 18:04 |
| bencoh | build a cross x86->arm gcc and have it play nice with SB? | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: i thought you've built 4.7.2 for thumb, or you just used ready made package? | 18:04 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: 1. it is not packaged and 2. it was not me to build it but some UK guy I forgot the nick of | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: humm, still, it was fully functional | 18:05 |
| bencoh | cant we track him down and pinpoint his location? :D | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | some slackware or other exotic distro guy | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: yes, it is, but it is from 2012 | 18:05 |
| bencoh | (search and dest....err no, not that far) | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | latest produce even more optimized code | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | for ARM that is | 18:06 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: is it different than "just building a crosscompiler and .deb packages"? | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | wouldnt mind hardfp for everything | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: yes, it is | 18:06 |
| bencoh | (binutils, mpfr, gcc, the usual stuff) | 18:06 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: in which way? :) | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | you do that, but you have to consider that all those should be statically linked | 18:07 |
| bencoh | ah | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | also, glbc is very old | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | you need to provide the correct root and whatnot | 18:07 |
| bencoh | hmm, I'm not too worried about glibc, but dunno | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | you should be, as glibc headers are part of the toolchain ;0 | 18:08 |
| bencoh | I'm more worried about gcc being written in C++ nowadays | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | * ;) | 18:08 |
| bencoh | (a subset, but still) | 18:08 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: wait, are we talking about replacing glibc as well? | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | last time i tried to hack native gcc into scratchbox i've discovered how deeply it cheats and overrides things | 18:09 |
| bencoh | or are you talking about libgcc/stdc++ | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | what I talk is that glibc headers are part of the toolchain and you must include SB headers/libs in the newly built toolchain | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | while compiling it from the host OS | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: having howto could save some gray hair later | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | and that's tricky | 18:11 |
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| bencoh | libc6-dev in SB? | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: there are(were) some instructions around the inet | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: havent found any for maemo/sb to create new gcc pkg | 18:12 |
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| freemangordon | http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/toolchain.html#AEN85 | 18:13 |
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| KotCzarny | diablo era | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | or even chinook | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | here's another one http://henkjan.net/?page_id=355 | 18:15 |
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| KotCzarny | while at that, i wouldnt mind native gcc packages | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | what for? running gcc under qemu wouldn't be fun | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | for building single packages i can wait (and do it on device) | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, i've tried running native gcc under qemu | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | (i even hacked current qemu in place of the old sb one) | 18:19 |
| bencoh | why do they all want to build on device *sigh* | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, because having native gcc + gcc could make it quite fast | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | s/+ gcc/+ distcc/ | 18:20 |
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| KotCzarny | oh, wow, my gcc crossdev just built, wonder if it works | 18:36 |
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| KotCzarny | http://preshing.com/20141119/how-to-build-a-gcc-cross-compiler/ | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | pretty nice guide for creating toolchain from scratch (though i only need gcc for xdev distcc) | 18:56 |
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| KotCzarny | i love my banana (r1) ! | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | pity it doesnt have sleep states to reach ~10-30mA | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | would make a perfect portable | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | imagine: wifi, sata, 5x gigabit eth, touchscreen, 8000mAh battery! | 19:54 |
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| KotCzarny | woo-hoo, i have working distcc for arm compilation | 20:37 |
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| norayr | I remember, there was not only scratchbox based sdk, but filesystem, tar file, which could be unpacked, and then it would be possible to chroot there with binfmt_misc enabled. | 22:50 |
| norayr | does anyone remember the file location? | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | could it be scratchbox2 ? | 22:51 |
| norayr | no no... I remember that was only filesystem tarball. may be mad. from scratchbox filesystem. | 22:54 |
| norayr | the reason was i guess to not download those sdk installers. | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | so you mean prepared sb archive? | 22:54 |
| bencoh | norayr: what you're referring to really sounds like the way sb works | 23:01 |
| bencoh | you have to download tarballs | 23:02 |
| norayr | hm. i remember i was installing maemo sdk by using installers downloadable from maemo.org or from nokia site. however there was some third party distributed "image" which i could use by chrooting, or yes, by using scratchbox may be. | 23:03 |
| norayr | i believe it'll work even without scratchbox, just by chrooting with binfmt_misc. | 23:03 |
| norayr | which basically what scratchbox does. | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | sb does much more than that | 23:04 |
| norayr | and where to get those tarballs? | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | ~scratchbox | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | we dont know what you are referring to | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | wait | 23:05 |
| bencoh | norayr: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation ? | 23:05 |
| bencoh | info<tab><tab>grmpf | 23:05 |
| norayr | hmmm | 23:05 |
| norayr | let me see. | 23:05 |
| norayr | i was searching for what i mean yesterday evening but did not find. | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/ | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | ./tarball , maybe | 23:06 |
| norayr | bencoh: i believe i was searching for those rootstrap files. | 23:06 |
| norayr | thank you very much. | 23:06 |
| norayr | freemangordon: thank you too. | 23:06 |
| bencoh | yw | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | ~botsnack | 23:07 |
| norayr | are there such rootstrap files for diablo too? | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | she is dead :( | 23:07 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: this file https://github.com/community-ssu/libconnui-dev/blob/master/libconnui.pc is wrong: it tells that every one file should be linked with -lconnui -lconnui_cell -lconbtui -lconnui_iapsettings | 23:14 |
| Pali | it needs to be fixed, splitted into more *.pc files | 23:14 |
| Pali | becase we are adding unused link dependences | 23:15 |
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