IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2015-11-19

DocScrutinizer05and so on, for CPU, PowerVR, DSP, Audio, Vibrator, USB, BT, younameit00:00
Siceloare any DSP/PowerVR stats availalbe in /sys maybe or some other location?00:02
DocScrutinizer05have a set of thresholds for alarms for each subsystem, like "when CPU eats >1000mW for >5 seconds", and also have an alarm that triggers on measured consumption massively non-compliant with what the summed up total of all subsystems would suggest00:02
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: see zzztop00:02
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DocScrutinizer05I don't know how much is actually exposed anywhere in /sys or /proc or elsewhere00:04
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Siceloi'll study the script00:07
DocScrutinizer05actually my idea for system monitor is of boader scope than only power consumption, though that's for sure the major focus and largest chunk of info it collects and supervises and displays00:07
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DocScrutinizer05broader even00:08
DocScrutinizer05but zzztop and [h]top (or actually what they are based on) would also be info sources, so for example an alarm of JoergsSystemMonitor would also kick in when a process suddenly is using way more CPU time or RAM than it usually does00:10
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DocScrutinizer05anyway such monitoring tool would be *the* answer of choice to any complaints about "N900 battery standby time too short"00:30
DocScrutinizer05it would literally list whatt's wrong, either some software that keeps CPU busy, or constant data traffic over cellular/GPRS, or WLAN in constamt scan mode, or backlight on all the time, or even "your battery capacity seems way lower that standard! battery old and worn?"00:32
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DocScrutinizer05lower thaN* standard00:33
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jonwilfreemangordon: ping07:15
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jonwil~seen freemangordon08:38
infobotfreemangordon <~ivo@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 12h 59m 3s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'.08:38
jonwil~seen merlin199108:38
infobotmerlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #neo900 #maemo-ssu, last said: 'speex will be done tomorrow ;)'.08:38
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zGrrmoin :)09:12
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bencohjonwil: what's the current codelockui status?10:42
jonwilWaiting for freemangordon (or some other reverse engineering guy) to figure out the parts I cant clone myself10:43
jonwilI did however just fix an issue with connui-home-cellular that showed up as a result of my ISP switching from one mobile network to a different mobile network (and sending me a new SIM and porting my number and stuff)10:45
jonwilWhen I joined the new network I found the network name output of the connui-home-cellular clone was different to stock10:45
jonwilA big of debugging and I found the problem and fixed it and now get the right output :)10:46
jonwilnow to figure out how to set the correct IAP stuff10:46
jonwilok, I have a cellular data connection now :)10:48
jonwilits all good :)10:48
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Siceloso my n900 is unresponsive, although working just fine. the screen is dimmed (same as when a confirmation dialog is displayed). can't interact with it except via power button. i can therefore end tasks, or start the phone. however desktop remains dim so that's not much help. pity i disabled autoconnect to wifi .. i could ssh to it and restart h-d11:22
Sicelonot at my place right now :(11:27
Sicelohere i'm on work computer, basic user permissions.11:27
bencohah .... shutdown/reboot11:27
Sicelowonder if usbnet would work actually, haha .. becuase the dialog migh not appear. let me check11:28
DefiantSicelo: attack ths virus scanner, that is supposed to be the most vulnerable part of your PC11:28
Siceloat least the usb dialog does appear and is clickable11:29
KotCzarnyn900 screen is transflective11:29
Sicelobencoh: i don't want reboot :p11:29
Defiantor use virtual box portable with a linux11:29
Sicelohappy about my 7 days uptime11:29
KotCzarnyso get a good light and you will see the contents11:29
SiceloDefiant: ??11:29
SiceloKotCzarny: dimmed .. not about seeing .. but interacting. i can't interact with it11:30
KotCzarnycan you start any app somehow?11:30
Sicelousually flicking the screen lock key should 'fix' dimmed problems. but not this time11:31
Siceloi can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though11:31
Sicelobasically the ones that have keyboard shortcuts11:31
KotCzarnyadd to your todo to add xterm shortcut11:32
Siceloyou don't get it :)11:32
Siceloat all11:32
KotCzarnywell, if you had xterm runnable via keyboard shortcut, you can type things there11:32
Sicelothe is no interaction with anything11:33
Siceloonly bencoh understands what i'm saying :)11:33
KotCzarnybut you've said you can run apps via kb11:33
KotCzarnyso kb works11:33
Sicelo11:31 < Sicelo> i can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though11:34
KotCzarnyahm, didnt see xterminal11:34
Siceloxterminal is a stock shortcut (shift+ctrl+x)11:34
KotCzarnybt/usb kb?11:35
Sicelomy bluetooth is off :p11:35
Siceloonly way is to somehow login to the bugger via ssh11:36
KotCzarnybut you dont have network11:36
Sicelowill see .. maybe i'll quickly pss by my place next 30 minutes. hope usbnet will work. haven't used it in ages. hope i didn't mess something up with that iface11:38
bencohmine doesnt start on boot11:39
bencohI dunno why11:39
bencohso I need to plug it in and ifup11:40
Sicelodoam. you need to ifup :(11:40
Sicelowhich i won't be able to do. nice. reboot incomingp i guess11:40
KotCzarnylock/unlock few times?11:41
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Siceloit has not helped unfortunately11:43
jonwildoes rebooting not fix the problem?11:43
KotCzarnyhe wants to try anything before reboot11:43
jonwilwhy not reboot, its not exactly hard to reboot a N900 :)11:44
Sicelojust for fun11:44
KotCzarnyfunnily how you can start xterminal via kb, it shows, and it doesnt allow you to type anything in it11:45
KotCzarnystart it then task switch maybe?11:45
jonwilI wouldn't call it "fun" to fiddle with all sorts of crap that isn't helping when a reboot should fix it11:45
KotCzarnyjonwil, that's called debugging11:45
bencohlooks a focus issue11:49
DocScrutinizer05ts working?11:49
DocScrutinizer05does "kill current task" show up in power menu?11:50
Siceloyes it works11:50
DocScrutinizer05tried kb shortcut to cycle between tasks?11:50
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Siceloyeah. no dice. i'm going to have to rebbot, clearly.11:51
DocScrutinizer05tried <enter>?11:51
jonwilNow that I am on a new network, I need to go and see if all the places where my phone wouldn't get signal on the old network do or don't get it on the new network :)11:52
DocScrutinizer05to me it spounds like a notifier/requester that failed to display any conetnt11:52
KotCzarnykill'em all11:53
jonwillooks like I might take a train trip tomorrow :P (riding on the train is one of the ways to be guaranteed to loose signal on the old network :)11:53
jonwilI do so love the N900 though, its works great on Vodafone just as good as it did on Optus :)11:53
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: do you have a custom lockscreen?11:58
DocScrutinizer05you could try to unlock the lockscreen even when it's not visible, by sliding over the touchscreen11:59
Sicelono. stock12:00
DocScrutinizer05the idea that lockscreen is active but not visible (maybe hidden or minimized or behind the desktop layer) sounds even more plausible than a normal requester or notifier causing this12:01
Siceloi have smscon, but looks like i never set the sms commands properly. don't seem to be working12:01
Sicelosmscon itself works just fine for no sim or sim change12:01
DocScrutinizer05try sliding to unlock12:01
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Sicelosame. slide works. but no interaction in desktop12:02
KotCzarnyremember to add shortcut to enable wifi autoconnect and/or usbnet12:03
DocScrutinizer05I meant sliding on touchscreen like you would to unlock the lockscreen by moving the ball from lft to right12:08
Siceloyes DocScrutinizer05. i can lock it just fine, and unlock with slider12:11
Sicelothanks for suggestions everyone. gotta just reboot. we tried.12:11
DocScrutinizer05ooh, so the lockscreen works and you can unlock it. So I guess it's not an invisible lockscreen then that's your problem12:16
Sicelowhere is the FBI with their backdoors when we need them? :p12:17
KotCzarnyyou should've gotten android for that12:17
DocScrutinizer05the FBI looks like a boy scout club compared to NSA12:18
Sicelobtw, i still suspect one of hildon-desktop, *-home to have some bug.12:18
SiceloNSA maybe :)12:18
DocScrutinizer05hmm yes12:18
KotCzarnysicelo, but why is it happening to you?12:18
KotCzarnymaybe you have hw sync enabled?12:18
DocScrutinizer05check your desktop widgets or whatever the name12:19
Siceloremoved them all some weeks ago12:19
Sicelono widgets at all anymore12:19
DocScrutinizer05nfc then12:20
DocScrutinizer05check smscon, maybe it has some hiccup12:21
KotCzarnyi wonder why gets first place in google, but no sign of wiki.maemo.org12:21
DocScrutinizer05and make damn sure you got WLAN and/or USB network *and* sshd enabled, for the next time ;-)12:22
Sicelothey generally are, lol12:22
DocScrutinizer05one more thing you could try: open and close camera door12:22
SiceloMurphy's law at work here12:23
KotCzarnyunrelated but nice:
Sicelofun times. DocScrutinizer05, camera door causes complete blackness. but i can take a pic, and can hear the application close afterwards when i close the shutter12:26
DocScrutinizer05this gives some hint towards considering whether maybe the graphics libs are borked12:27
DocScrutinizer05there are several daemons for fb and camera and dunno what12:27
Siceloi don't think so tbh. if i had been able to ssh to it, i'd have tried to restart h-d, and (of course my 2 cents) i think it would come back to normal life12:28
DocScrutinizer05might be compositor that doesn't work according to parameters12:28
DocScrutinizer05yes, a pity we can't test12:28
DocScrutinizer05I gather "end current task" in power menu only shows when a real app is running and focused, not when hd is active12:29
Siceloif i launch phone, then end current task is useable12:29
KotCzarnysicelo: when you eventually get it to working state, check /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini to see if you have hw sync or not12:29
Sicelook. will do12:30
DocScrutinizer05hmm, what happens when you press ctrl-backspace with phone opened12:30
Sicelonothing that i can see12:30
Siceloah .. wait12:30
Vajbi recall having this issue once12:30
Siceloyes, nothing.12:31
Vajbit had some program popping up menu, but that menu never appeared12:31
KotCzarnykill'em all!12:31
DocScrutinizer05aah well, you don't have the "alt-tab" function in hd enabled, right?12:31
Vajbbut i can't recall name of that program even if my life depended on it12:31
Siceloyou mean rotate tasks through ctrl+bksp? i have that enabled12:32
DocScrutinizer05yes, I've seen that too, and switching tasks via ctrl-bs allowed me to fix it12:32
KotCzarnybut yeah, all the behaviors suggest invisible popup menu12:32
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: aah hmm12:32
Vajbi think i sshd to device and killed stuck program12:33
KotCzarnybecause usb popup was clickable12:33
* Vajb thinks we miss "show desktop" button from power menu12:34
KotCzarnyor 'restartd h-d' button :P12:34
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: one thing you could test: give N900 a inbound call you don't answer, so the "missed call" things kick in12:34
Vajbhmm start phone utility and try ctrl-backspace then12:35
Siceloi have missed call (btw, i can still answer calls very nicely) :D12:36
DocScrutinizer05Vajb: yes, exactly12:36
Sicelodoesn't help in this particular case that ctrl+bksp12:36
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: when phone gui is active, ctrl-bs should show one window shrinked to tumbnail12:36
Vajbim curious how u got in to that state?12:37
Vajbmaybe ur device is swapping like madman and is unresponsive cos of workload12:38
Vajbur using gazillion percent of cpu power12:38
Sicelonot at all :)12:38
Siceloit's very much alive, and at rest.12:39
Vajbah then12:39
Vajbdon't bother him. Is a sleep12:39
Siceloit's been like this for 2 hours now, and no warm battery, etc.12:39
Siceloi can even see the usage bars on status menu. cpu side on grey12:40
DocScrutinizer05weird stuff12:40
DocScrutinizer05maybe just reboot12:40
Vajbdefinitely some menu12:40
Siceloas for how i got to this .. i don't remember. i was just using it normally12:41
Vajbhah classic case of "it was like that when i got here"12:42
KotCzarnyadd a shortcut in powermenu to kill h-d12:42
Vajbdoes xterm show up?12:42
KotCzarnyyes, but he cant type in it12:43
KotCzarnyas in 'focus stolen'12:43
Vajberr it does, but i meant to type for example top and hit enter12:43
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: did you extensive looking around and maybe even cat * in /sys and/or /proc ?12:43
Sicelocan't do that :)12:43
DocScrutinizer05""Siceloare any DSP/PowerVR stats availalbe in /sys maybe or some other location?""12:44
Sicelothat was over 12 hours ago, and i didn't even do anything. i slept, hence the complete silence after saying i'll study zzztop script12:45
Sicelook. enough with this. usbnet didn't come up. rebooting.12:47
Siceloi'll fix up smscon so that it can be a viable backdoor in future12:47
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KotCzarnytty via sms?12:48
KotCzarnyexpensive ;)12:48
KotCzarnyunless one has free sms plan12:48
Sicelono. you send just one predetermined command, and the N900 will run it. or you could even cause it to setup reverse ssh connection12:49
KotCzarnyi know, just kidding about possible use sms as a tty terminal12:49
Sicelowith `ls` .. how do i order files by date again?12:50
jonwilBah, no sign of either of the people I need to talk to :(12:56
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Sicelobtw, one of the reasons i disabled automatic wlan is because at work, we have WPA-Enterprise, which N900 doesn't connect to automatically. maybe jonwil's work could help in that regard?15:41
Sicelomy home wifi is also wpa-enterprise15:41
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drathirsi not used that one before, but maybe share which kind of error show?16:24
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sixwheeledbeastWhy would WPA Enterprise not connect automatically on N900? Is there no way to save the RADIUS info?19:04
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ecc3gnice... disabling autoswitch to wifi and stay on 3G only saves quite a bit of power.  I guess I'm forced to take advantage of unlimited data on t-mobile...19:11
Wizzupinteresting that 3g costs less power for you than wifi19:11
ecc3gwell having both on at the same time eats power19:12
KotCzarnymore wakeup triggers?19:12
KotCzarny10 beacons/s usually19:12
ecc3gthen again I'd thought it should use one or the other... and not keep both on at the same time19:12
KotCzarnyand that only assuming nothing else on the channel19:12
KotCzarnytransmitting via cell modem might be more costly tho19:13
ecc3gthat might be why... though I thought I changed my beacons on my wifi to 1/sec or 2/sec...19:13
Wizzupoh yeah, I always have wifi autoconnect off19:13
Wizzupmostly due to privacy issues19:13
ecc3gI autoconnect to my home wifi before, for privacy issues :D19:14
ecc3ghaving it auto switchover to wifi and 3g on all the time = I get at most 2 days idle19:16
ecc3git's about flat at the 2 day mark.19:17
ecc3gtelling it not to use wifi if available... i think it will hit 3 days, maybe least the battery meter says there's still quite a bit of charge left nearing the 2 day mark...19:17
KotCzarnyecc3g: install battery-eye, its not eating battery like multiple others and has nice graphs/stats19:18
ecc3gyeah that's what i'm using19:18
KotCzarnyalso, you can even guess if battery drain is on, just by looking at the slope19:18
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ecc3gi guess it will now have to go through t-mobile to check mail on my home server... long way home.19:21
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Sicelosixwheeledbeast: because Nokia felt that it is not good idea. their pov was that 'some' enterprise networks may need extra input before granting access. of course a moot point, but that's how it is. a bug was opened against this behavior, and nokia replied with a fat WONTFIX :)19:25
Sicelothe radius info is saved just fine19:25
ecc3gI'm kind of glad it doesn't automatically connect to enterprise wpa2... it'd eat more power :D19:26
Siceloand why would that be?19:27
ecc3gscroll up, same issue as my home wifi :p19:28
Siceloyou could disable it if *you* don't need it. not fsck up device for everyone.19:28
Siceloi fail to see how your issue above relates to wpa-enterpise19:29
ecc3git was meant as a joke if you didn't get it...19:29
Sicelowell i wasn't joking.19:29
ecc3git really doesn't matter if it's wpa or wpa-enterprise, it still switched.19:29
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sixwheeledbeastSicelo: I have never connected to Enterprise with N900. So do you get a prompt to connect or do you have to open change connection menu?19:56
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Sicelo009Nn900 simply doesn't attempt to connect automatically. you have to make the connection yourself20:07
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sixwheeledbeastthat is odd behaviour21:22
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Sicelosixwheeledbeast: bug 339921:33
povbotBug Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise21:33
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Sicelocomment 4 particularly funny :D21:37
Siceloanyway, poor guy was just a messenger21:42
* Sicelo loving the quips21:44
sixwheeledbeastwow, pre-Fremantle bug21:44
sixwheeledbeastwith 60 votes and was a WONTFIX21:44
Sicelothe logic of the decision was completely flawed21:46
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KotCzarnysicelo, have you tried hack from comment 29?21:56
Sicelono. he said it's ugly himself :D21:58
KotCzarnythere is a script on that page too (in the comments)21:58
KotCzarnyso at least you can try making one yourself21:59
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KotCzarnyand someone wrote qt alternative in comment 4922:01
kerioPali: did you read ?22:15
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merlin1991jonwil: pong22:33
jonwilWould it be possible to get access to push things to cssu-devel?22:34
jonwilI believe you mentioned something about it before22:34
merlin1991sure, hit me up with an ssh pub key22:34
KotCzarnykerio: that page is beautiful22:39
KotCzarnyi wonder if debian/fedora devs got paid/moled ?22:39
jonwil~seen freemangordon22:39
infobotfreemangordon <~ivo@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 3h 58s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'.22:40
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