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| klopsi-u3 | n900 still best phone | 01:20 |
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| Oksana | Trying to build a binary package on-device is insane, even if it is as simple as maemopad ... | 09:01 |
| Oksana | As in, too many build-dependencies | 09:01 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | that's debian for you | 09:35 |
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| * Oksana is still trying to do it | 10:04 | |
| Oksana | what is dh_clean ? It's not in build-dependencies, or something, because building failed | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | man dh_clean on debian-like system? | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | and i bet its just some script you can copy from lenny | 10:07 |
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| Oksanaa | cp: unrecognized option `--remove-destination' | 10:14 |
| Oksanaa | What package or config is needed for this? | 10:14 |
| Oksanaa | And yes, I am still trying to build maemopad on-device | 10:15 |
| Oksanaa | Lag: 92 | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | i guess its old sh | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | busybox's sh | 10:18 |
| Oksanaa | Okay, what's new sh? | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ install bash3 or bash4 | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ find the script containing --remove-destination and change first line to bash3 or bash4 | 10:19 |
| * Oksanaa tries bash3 | 10:19 | |
| Oksanaa | already installed | 10:20 |
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| ceene | it's gonna be binutils then | 10:46 |
| ceene | coreutils: /bin/cp | 10:46 |
| ceene | nop | 10:46 |
| ceene | coreutils | 10:46 |
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| KotCzarny | ceene, you cant easily replace system ones | 11:05 |
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| sunshavi | Hi guys. any idea where I can get libicd-network-dummy for n800 (os2008) | 17:07 |
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| klopsi-u3 | ~repo | 17:16 |
| infobot | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications | 17:16 |
| klopsi-u3 | eh wut | 17:16 |
| klopsi-u3 | sunshavi: sorry i don't know the current location of os2008 repo | 17:17 |
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| sunshavi | I got a link to gitorious that does not exist | 17:20 |
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| sunshavi | can I just get the n900 equivalent and compile it. The worst that would happen is it not working | 17:27 |
| klopsi-u3 | dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot :) | 17:39 |
| sunshavi | klopsi-u3: thoes links are broken on my side. Those links work for You? | 17:42 |
| klopsi-u3 | the links from infobot are not maemo os2008 | 17:44 |
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| sunshavi | Right. But are wroken or do they work on git? | 17:45 |
| klopsi-u3 | the link doesn't work for me | 17:46 |
| krnlyng | hi, i have installed community ssu testing to install a newer version of gcc, but apt-cache does not find any new packages, what do i have to do? | 17:51 |
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| sunshavi | the only place where I got running a new compiler (for n800) was on scratchbox2 aka sb2. No idea if that is possible for n900. Or if the CSSU let's You do that. | 18:04 |
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| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 18:22 |
| infobot | maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 18:22 |
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| klopsi-u3 | sunshavi: ^ | 18:29 |
| sunshavi | thanks klopsi that's the one that is enabled on this device, ircing from it now | 18:33 |
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| Oksanaa | Is there a way to auto-write-down musical notes by having software listen to musical file (such as, flac)? | 22:43 |
| Oksanaa | Or is asking the author for notes easier? | 22:43 |
| klopsi-u3 | Oksanaa i started researching that in 1991, not an easy problem to solve | 22:44 |
| klopsi-u3 | A trained ear can pick-out the notes from a complex piece, but no software i know of can | 22:45 |
| klopsi-u3 | unless you are talking about a flac file with just one instrument playing | 22:45 |
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| KotCzarny | well, fft peaks will show the notes | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | so its just as easy as writing peak hunter | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | and usually you look for specific hz range, so that makes it easier | 22:57 |
| klopsi-u3 | fft peaks will show you notes and overtones, and peaks caused by overlapping sounds | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but its up to you to choose which are notes and which are overtones | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | if you train on some specific instrument you can look for sets of peaks | 23:00 |
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| klopsi-u3 | i don't think you will find software that can make a transcript of complex recorded music | 23:04 |
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| Oksana | Music played by one musician cannot be _that_ complex, right? Even if he uses electronic music?.. | 23:06 |
| bencoh | actually it can be quite "complex" | 23:06 |
| bencoh | complex enough to translate it back to notes/chords on a sheet, at least | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:07 |
| bencoh | it's a bit like RE/disassembling :) | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | still, doable if you have at least a bit of musical talent | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | and software can help | 23:08 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: I think it takes a lot more than just "a bit of musical talent" | 23:08 |
| Oksana | Alright, with electronic music he is not exactly confined to one instrument at a time... Actually, I will just ask him. I hope he would be interested in somebody trying to put text to his text-less music | 23:08 |
| Oksana | On the note, would anybody be interested in extending media player subtitles plugin to display subtitles for music (not only video) ? | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | well | 23:09 |
| klopsi-u3 | not me | 23:09 |
| Oksana | Because I do not see other way to display lyrics for songs? | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | midi format already has ability to synch text to music | 23:10 |
| Sicelo | there are lyrics in OMP | 23:10 |
| Oksana | How to see them? | 23:10 |
| bencoh | err ... do you think the gstreamer subtitles plugin works well enough as it is? | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | and any competent midi player would be able to do it | 23:10 |
| bencoh | it's slow as hell :/ | 23:10 |
| bencoh | (at least for libASS subtitles) | 23:10 |
| Sicelo | Oksana: how to see them? enable the function :) | 23:10 |
| bencoh | I get framedrop when trying to use it | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | most musicians make music using midi | 23:11 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: ermm .... | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | at least that was the case some time ago | 23:11 |
| * Sicelo loves MIDI .. from the days of polyphonic tones :) | 23:11 | |
| KotCzarny | because midi is not just plinking, its also about synchronizing events | 23:11 |
| bencoh | some musicians still play on organic instruments, you know ? :D | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, maybe i shall add text events to midi files too | 23:12 |
| Oksana | Yes, I know. But they do not often record their music ;-/ I do attend local ensemble concerts sometimes, but they would benefit from recording and releasing the pieces, I think | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | (though i think i did it already, just not showing) | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | oksana, so its not original music just some dj mixing things? | 23:13 |
| bencoh | "dj" ... | 23:13 |
| ecc3g | \ | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | do they use instruments at all? | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | if yes, put camera nearby ;) | 23:14 |
| Oksana | The one local I am visiting is real-music, aka piano, violin, flute, and some other instruments | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | or mic, that way you will grab the important fft peaks easier | 23:17 |
| klopsi-u3 | look at a fft of complex music more closely KotCzarny | 23:18 |
| klopsi-u3 | it's a mess | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | klopsi, one instrument uses only SOME of it, and at fixed places | 23:19 |
| Oksana | The local often plays "well-known" music, such as Mozart, so finding notes for it should be easy. But the flac I am listening to is not-local-DJ, and I do not think he has published his notes | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | oksana, use any audio editor that can show you the fft, then estimate how clearly you can see instruments that interest you | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | best parts are when there is no noise/arrangements in the bg and only interesting instrument is playing (ie. solo) | 23:21 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: have you ever tried that? | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | i've seen many ffts | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | and there is a good chance to see notes clearly | 23:23 |
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| klopsi-u3 | btw back around 1993 there was a program that let you make a soundfile out of an image, treating the image as a fft | 23:25 |
| klopsi-u3 | aphex twin put his face into one of his songs | 23:26 |
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| KotCzarny | aphex style allowed such thing | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | try that with the pop music | 23:38 |
| klopsi-u3 | hehe | 23:38 |
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